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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: kez_s on Monday 20 March 06 10:26 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am having terrible problems researching one line of my Scottish ancestry and I can't get any connections what so ever!!!
My grandfather was Alexander MacEwan Stewart B: 1932 Lumphanan, D: 1974. His father was James Stewart, Mother: Elsie Whyte (White?), I have no further info on them, I know my grandfather had two brothers Alan and Andrew and a sister Agnes and a half brother James Reid and a half sister Jeanie Reid.
Apart from the fact they are supposed to be descended from the Stewart's of the Black Isle - I have no further information. I have contacted the Registry Office to see if he had a birth certificate - but as of yet no response.
I am not sure about his parents birthplaces and it's unlikely they got married (they were Gypsies). What else can I do??
I am desperate to find this line of my family as it's my maiden name and I am doing a family tree for my son.
Any help or advice would be appreciated.
Many thanks.
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Hi Kes
The Stewarts, Whytes and Reids were indeed a part of the Scottish Traveller families which included my Townsleys. I also have a Matilda Stewart (c1810) and a Betsy Whyte in my tree but probably too early for your family. They did tend to marry into the same families.
Have you tried the scotlandspeople website for your earlier names and census details? It costs £6 for 30 credits but may be worth your while
Sylvia
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I haven't tried - but have been on the site.
I'm presuming they wouldn't be old enough to feature - also as it was 1901 James and Elsie wouldn't have been together so couldn't confirm it was them that way and when I searched their names individually it was like looking for a needle in a haystack!!!! As I don't know where either was born I don't know where to start!!!
My only hope seems to be is if someone else is connected to them!
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Mmmmm, sorry Kes I see your problem
The only suggestion is that McEwan was possibly James Stewart's mother's maiden name....and also that you check the Scottish naming patterns if you know which order the children were born.
ie if Alexander were the eldest it's possible James' father's name was Alexander.
The second son would be named after Elsie's father.
And Agnes could be named after Elsie's mother.
Could that name be Elspeth by the way?
Sylvia
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Just a thought but there are a couple of lovely books you might want to check out by a Betsy Whyte - not my Betsy unfortunately.
The Yellow on the Broom
and
Red Rowans and Wild Honey
They really give an insight into the Traveller way of life and will go some way to explaining the way the families mixed.
:)
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Thanks!
It's the one side of my family tree I would really love to find out about - I just wish they'd been slightly more conventional and registered births, marriages, etc.
I know that the families mixed a lot as my grandmother is a Kelbie and when I look at her family tree it makes me dizzy, unfortunately, she has given me everything she knows. She didn't marry my grandfather so there would be no info there either.
I might see the possibility of using the names like you suggested. But having such common names in Scotland as Stewart, James and Alexander - doesn't make it easy for me to verify that I have the right ones. I don't even know if travellers were included on the Cenus???
I'm not sure if it would be Elspeth, my auntie is also named Elsie so I presume it is that way.
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Hi Kes
I think you'll find if you can get back further with your names that they will be on census. I have a couple noted as "in tent" on Common Ground, so the census enumerators did manage to track them down quite well.
Was also doing a quick trawl through my names and up popped
Elspeth Alice White born c1846 Falkirk, Stirling, died c1900.
It's quite possible that this Elspeth has nothing to do with your Elsie, but the families were very intermarried so there must be a connection there somewhere.
She married Alexander Townsley 1874
Children were
Townsley, John White
Birth : 22 APR 1872 Cadder West / Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Townsley, William
Birth : 23 NOV 1873 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Townsley, Christina
Birth : 10 NOV 1874 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Death : ABT. 1883 Dennistoun, Glasgow
Townsley, Hugh
Birth : ABT. 1877 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Townsley, Alexander
Birth : ABT. 1879 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Townsley, Catherine
Birth : ABT. JUL 1880 Yoker, Dunbarton, Scotland
Townsley, Alice Elsie Elspeth
Townsley, Robert
Birth : ABT. 1887 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
You'll find them evetually :)
Sylvia
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Hi there
I also am researching the Stewarts/Whyte(White)/Kelbie names, and am currently doing a one-name on the KELBIE family name. My late wife was a Kelbie, so this is sort of a memorial to her. I have a long way to go yet to get all those I know off - probable a year to collect all the certificates, and longer once I start into the Old Parish Records. As I live quite near Edinburgh I have quite a lot of confirmed information on this name already and would be willing to help you out.
I notice from this posting you are looking for a James Stewart m. Elsie White: they had 2 sons - (*).
If you are having difficulty obtaining the certificates I can obtain transcriptions for you as I go over to Edinburgh quite frequently. It would also help me with the other lines on the tree!
Hope to hear from you soon
Bill
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Hi Bill
I've replied to your personal message - not sure if you got it ok???
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Hi Bill
A bit of a long shot but I'm wondering if you've come across a Matilda Stewart born about 1810 ?
She married Robert Townsley, sorry no marriage date for them, but the earliest child I have for them (Robert) was born c1829, Marybole, Ayr.
They were travellers too so could have been born/married anywhere!! :-[
regards Sylvia
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Hi Sylvia
Cant say I have come across them - Stewarts and Townsleys are prolific names. However I have come across this site on the Townsleys which is quite comprehensive- ://homepages.tesco.net/~townsleyb/TownsFH/html/index.htm
As I am currently doing a one-name on the KELBIEs my interest outside that stem is temporarily on hold - at the outside I would think for at least a year. However, that doesnt mean that they are forgotten and I will be able to do some look-ups for those other branches each time I go across to Edinburgh.
From what I can see my Townsley connections came up to Scotland about the turn of the 18th century - in 1853 I have them in Northumberland and they dont appear on the Scottish censuses until 1901. The English Townsleys - from what I can see - often used the same names in each generation, so it becomes difficult to pin them down. That site might throw out some light for you.
Happy Hunting
Bill
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Thanks anyway Bill
I do know of this website and it has been useful at times
Sylvia
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hi davy stewart here you sent me a message and i tried to answer it but got confused about do it i feel a fool as i havnt used this site much so i searched for your name and replied to this one so im very sorry i submited a post by mistake, i think it was the one i was sent, anyway i am very thankful for your reply i am trying to research 3 trees at the moment the stewarts my fathers side,,the millers my mothers side,, and the bucklands my wifes side but i dont seem to be geting anywhere with the stewarts, the names in the message you sent me are very very similar to mine but i dont think its them, if you could send me an email address please, i could send you some certificates and you would understand better and they may even help you out as well, my email is (*) would be thankful if you could have a look at them,,thanks,,davy stewart, darlington co durham ps i know my grt grandfather hugh stewart is burried in the grounds of dr greys hospital,, its in elgin i think
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Sorry not quite sure who your message is for? I don't recall sending you an email!
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I just read your posts and I too have some Reids and a Whyte and they seem to be travellers themselves. I have:
gg grandparents - John Cook married Elizabeth Reid (b.1842)(She had a brother James, among many others)
ggg grandparents: Elizabeth's parents were David Reid (b. 1811 in Montrose) and Mary Bain
gggg grandparents: David's parents were David Reid (b.?) and Betsy Knowly.
Mary's parents were James Bain and Janet Whyte.
Births, deaths and marriages are all from miscellaneous counties - Angus, Midlothian, fife.
I'll let you know if I come across any of your gang.
McCann
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Dear Kez_s I came across this site by accident and your information was on the site - first of all
Alexander MacEwan Stewart was my uncle because my father Allan was his older brother. My father
was born in 1930 near Oyne. My grandfather James Stewart or bigMaHungry as he was known was
born in Forgue, Huntly. I do not know where my grannie Elsie was born. Your grandfather Alexander - my
uncle, also had a sister Helen and a sister Elizabeth who my sister is named after. I met your granny
Isabella Kelbie who died a couple of years ago and is buried in Huntly, she was a very nice woman and
very small. But as far as my auntie Agnes is concerned, Bella was never married to Alex but stayed with
him and had family to him. James my grandfather was the son of Frances Stewart. I have a family tree
which I can give you a copy of if you would like. My mothers people were from Perthshire and were also Stewarts and Reids. I hope you find this helpful.
Samya
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Dear Kez_s I came across this site by accident and your information was on the site - first of all
Alexander MacEwan Stewart was my uncle because my father Allan was his older brother. My father
was born in 1930 near Oyne. My grandfather James Stewart or bigMaHungry as he was known was
born in Forgue, Huntly. I do not know where my grannie Elsie was born. Your grandfather Alexander - my
uncle, also had a sister Helen and a sister Elizabeth who my sister is named after. I met your granny
Isabella Kelbie who died a couple of years ago and is buried in Huntly, she was a very nice woman and
very small. But as far as my auntie Agnes is concerned, Bella was never married to Alex but stayed with
him and had family to him. James my grandfather was the son of Frances Stewart. I have a family tree
which I can give you a copy of if you would like. My mothers people were from Perthshire and were also Stewarts and Reids. I hope you find this helpful.
Samya
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i have sent three posts now in order to be able to send you an email. Sorry for the very reptitive post
but not allowed to send pm unless 3 posts are up.
Anyway it does look as though it has been a long time since you have been on this site so you may
not get this email message I send you but hope you do.
Samya
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I sent you information on your family and it was removed by roots web team.
Much of the information was important.
Alec Stewart or Alexander Stewart my uncle died in Inverness in 1974 he had brother's named as Andrew Higgins Stewart. James and my mother Elizabeth Stewart who is your auntie' Alec met my auntie Isabella in the 1956 period after my Grand Father died Hector Robertson Kelbie in march 1950.
There was other members not mentioned in my message. They came from Elgin Aberdeenshire.
The death of your Grand Father was recorded by Inverness police. And my auntie Isabella past way in 2007 when i had instructed a full police investigation into my father's death at Croy Inverness Alexander Kelbie my father died on 12 August 1966 aged 33 years old. My side of the family came from Perth and Fife area. You have also relations in Bath England. I hope that helps you.
You are welcome to contact me.
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Thank you for your reply, yes I am aware of the more recent history but am currently researching further back with my tree and am looking at information from the early 1900's backwards and both of my great grandmothers lines!
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My only hope seems to be is if someone else is connected to them!
Have you tried Alford Family History near Aberdeen and surrounding areas.
Mary Craig married George Hall and one of their daughters married a Reid, but off the top of my head, I cannot remember his name, but can check if required.
marcie
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HI, I noticed you trying to trace the stewart family, i dont know if what i know is anything to do with your family. My great-grandparents were called James and Elsie Stewart, they were travellers, They had a a daughter called helen another daughter which i dont know her name and also a son called Andrew Stewart and half son James Reid. I am unsure if they had any other children as i dont know any imformation of the stewarts from my family. What I do know is that in 1970 (*) and (*) were living in a kent in Keith but in 1966 they were living in Tombeg Monymusk. I dont know if there is a connection with both of the stewarts we are looking for, I look forward to hearing from you as I am also looking for a needle in a hair stack. Thanks Megan
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hello my dads name was charles reid stewart and was born 8/10 /1930 his mother was martha ann stewart and his dad was william stewart they were traveller family my dad was born in regent quay,aberdeen my nan and grand dad were married in 1927 in inverness he had lots of brothers and sisters my nans maiden name was bishop she was not from a traverling back ground
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I have been reading this thread and see that some of the Stewarts mentioned are related to my folk. Big ma hungry was my granny relation and I am sure I can help with some info there. I am also searching for Reid's and Whytes. I have traced most of my mothers side the Stewarts. My father was Andrew Whyte born in Aberdeen 1920 - 1992 his Father was Alexander(Sandy)Whyte married Elizabeth (Betsy)Reid 1885 - 1957 they married at Alyth around 1914, they had several children before then,they travelled around Perthshire Scotland. Betsy's father is the person I am searching for. His name was Robert Reid and was referred to as big Rob Reid, the Whytes were all small folk. I do not have exact dates for him but know he was dead when his daughter got married in 1914. His wife was Margaret Whyte and she died young her mother was a Mckenzie. Cambeltown was mentioned.
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Welcome to rootschat. :)
Heve you managed to find Rob Reid in any of the censuses? As his wife died young, was Betsy brought up by her dad or other family members? It would be interesting to find Betsy in the 1891 & 1901 censuses. Do you know where she was born? If Betsy had siblings then you may be able to pinpoint Rob's date of death by viewing any of their marriage certificates (if they married before Betsy did). Hope this helps,
flst.
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don't know if this helps but I have a john reid in my family tree
do you want any info on him just in case its helpful. send a pm with email address if you can and I can invite you to my ancestry tree.
all the best
Marcie
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try also Genes Reunited as there is a susan reid on there who may be related and could help you its free to join I believe though I have not been on there in years. but used to correspond with her and micheal Sandilands and others.
marcie
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Hello I am looking for information on 2 sets of Stewart's who married each other. Both travelling in the late 1800 around north east Scotland
Mary robertson and John Stewart last recorded 1891 at travellers camp balmaud woods Aberdeenshire, daughter Katie Stewart was my great grandma married Robert Stewart
His parents were Robert Stewart and Mary bate I can't find anything other than they were my great great grandparents
My grandpa was Michael kelbie Stewart born new pitsligo Aberdeenshire eventually lived and died in Elgin
Any info or help greatly appreciated
There is a link to Whytes and Macphersons somewhere too
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I have some info on your grandfather MICHAEL KELBIE STEWART. Born 1st April 1924 (later than current Privacy Rules for being online from Scotlandspeople). Died 14th November 1980 in Dr Gray's Hospital, Elgin (lived at 82 Newmills Road, Elgin) - died from Pancreatic Fistule, Gastric Surgery, Bleeding Durodonal Ulcer, and Broncho-pneumonia - I expect you already know this. He was married to MARGARET HELEN HARROLD. His Record No. at Libindx.moray.gov.uk is NM174333 which may give you a little more detail. His death was recorded in the Northern Scot on 22 Nov 1980.
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Many thanks for replying, I have info on Michael kelbie Stewart and one of his brothers Richard but the rest of his family not much possibly a sister Janet. But his father Robert Stewart and grandparents Robert Stewart and Mary bate I'm at a loss so far, wondering if there is a kelbie link?
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Not been able to find that link yet - and Scotlands People Centre is current in lockdown, but it's on my list to find. There are a number of possible connections, but I wouldn't like to say one for sure. I have a picture of his headstone, if you would like that. Its in New Cemetery, Elgin.
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Yes any lead be great
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Hi I'm Stacey.. I just noticed your posts..
My great granny was Elsie whyte married to James Stewart.. They were of travelling folk there daughter betsy Stewart was my granny as my mum is named Elsie after her granny..
Hope this helps and have more info if you need it
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Hi Stacey my gran was Helen Stewart she was your grans Elizabeth (Betty) sister. I noticed your in Aberdeen as well just wondering have u managed to find out any information regarding the family history
Kind regards
Megan
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Hiya again, wow that's amazing I've been reading the threads on here and I'm noticing a name that stands out..bigmahungry..my dad has mentioned that name before about us being related..
Now I'm totally convinced that my mum and dads side are related somehow..dad's side is..
David Stewart peterhead-(peekies)
Euphemia mcqueen Stewart-(phemmie) montrose,Aberdeen, peterhead
And mum's side is..Betsy Stewart (granny)
Alexander Campbell kelbie-(grandad)
I have some files here that were sent to me in confidence by my uncle whom I've just started to communicate with and wouldn't want to breach that trust..but I can give you names haha x
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flst
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Yeah your grandad and gran were related down the lie the family tree is confusing. Was it peter kelbie that gave u the information.
Yeah big ma hungrey is what our great grandfather was called it was some nickname his name was James stewart
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Hi
I'm a descendant of Betsy Whyte, done a lot of research on the Whytes and the Stewarts. There are many records on Scotland's people as well as on http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp. I haven't read all the replies however I'm happy to help if I can.
Debbie
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Hi my nanny's side are all reeds and whytes. Alternatively sometimes recorded as reid or whyte. My nanna insists it's whyte though.
My great nanny was Elizabeth whyte a romany woman who married a burgess. Her grandparents were reeds. All from around the hexham area or Scotland.
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Hi I would love to get some more information on the reid Whyte family my great grand parents where Elizabeth and Alex burgess cheers.
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Hi kez
I notice you're looking for some of the same names as me, whyte, stewart & kelbie, I have all these in my tree so we must be related somehow
Please get in touch and I will see if I have any answers you're looking for
Dottie