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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Sylviaann on Thursday 29 January 04 18:28 GMT (UK)
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Anyone know anything about George HILLMAN born about 1826. Census says born Iswell but no suck place. Wondered if it was Isfield. Later census says Brighton.
Any info about his father Humphrey HILLMAN? Is he in 1851 census?
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Hi there
Have just checked:
IFORD - poulation182 in 1851 Census
ISFIELD - population 508 in 1851
without success for both Geoge & Humphrey Hillman
Can you give me any further info to try and ocate them
Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)
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Thank you for looking. George was in London by 1851.
Could you look at Newick for Humphrey Hillman.
Very greatful for your help. Do you need anything from Bethnal Green, London?
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Hi Sylviaann
Have looked at Newick in East Sussex without success for Humphrey Hillman.
Have also checked all 23 volumes (over 200,000 names) of June Barnes Census Transcription of the 1851 census for East Sussex - and he aint there.
Sorry
Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)
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Thank you very much. Even a negative is useful. He must have died.
Thanks again
Sylvia
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Dont give up yet
Just done a quick search in the Freebmd for a Humphrey Hillman dieing in Sussex anytime at all.
It came up with just one
Deaths Dec Quarter 1845
HILLMAN Humphrey Francis Brighton 7 169
Its a long shot - but its a start, as the death certificate will give you an address from which it is possible to re-check in the Street Directories.
Chris in 1066land (Hastings)
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Thank you I had seen that but I've had an expensive month and it will have to wait a few weeks. I sent for 4 death certificates which I was sure were mine. Only one is a definate. It's a bit disappointing.
There are three Humphrey Hillmans in Sussex on IGI
one born 1725 is too early but there is one born 1780 Barcombe and one born Isfield 1785.
I haven't looked at this line for about a year and am just going through everything and writing it up.
I will let you know how I go on.
Sylvia
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Chris - you mention the excellent transcription of the 1851 census
Have also checked all 23 volumes (over 200,000 names) of June Barnes
Census Transcription of the 1851 census for East Sussex - and he aint there.
However, it is worth noting that the booklets don't cover Brighton, Hove or the Preston area in the north part of modern Brighton.
There are transcriptions done more recently now for part of Brighton in 1851 (the "Level" area), but I don't think there have been transcripts published for the rest of the town yet. I'd love to hear if you know of any progress!
There would be alot of work involved in covering the whole of the town. The population of Brighton almost doubled between 1841 and 1871 (from 46,000 to 90,000).
I'm seeking a HILLMAN family from Brighton myself: Elizabeth Gasston HILLMAN born about 1829 (but in Southwark, London by 1851). She was the daughter of an Edward HILLMAN (who was deceased by her wedding in 1855). Witnesses at wedding were an Elizabeth and an Edward Henry HILLMAN.
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Hello
I'm not sure if you were contacting me or Chris. I wanted to reply to Chris but don't know how to do that. I expect he will read it anyway. If you were looking for my Humphrey, thanks. This seems to be an elusive family.
I sent for the death certificate of Humphrey Francis and the day after I found a note in my file saying he had been born in 1945. Sure enough when the certificate arrived it was for a baby. Father Richard. Oh well I'll leave that one alone for a while and go on to another family.
Thanks anyway. I don't have anything on your Edward.
Sylvia
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GrahamofGlenney
Thankyou for pointing out that the June Barnes 1851 census transcription for East Sussex does not include Brighton - June, who I know fairly well was unable to complete what would have been Volume 24 because of the 'Repetitive Syndrone' illness in her hands & fingers.
I understood that someone else was completing it for her - have just checked on the Sussex Family History group and found it was completed by Eastbourne Roots, but is on fiche instead of a printed book as follows:-
Vol 24 - Brighton area (Hove, Preston, Patcham, West Blatchington, Hangleton, Portslade, Aldrington, Southwick, Old Shoreham) by Eastbourne Family Roots – 2 Fiche £3.80.
Thankyou for pointing it out, but, as I lecture in Family & Social History at CCE Colleges in Hastings, Hailsham and Brighton - I am well aware of the sudden increase in the population along the South Coast and the reasons behind it.
Unfortunately, at this moment in time I do not have any information on any Hillman Family in or around Brighton
Chris in 1066Land.
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Just started looking at a family tree put together by a distant relative in my family and passed a few years ago to my father.
My 3xGreat Grandfather was Jabez Nathaniel Hillman. He was born 13-Dec-1824 and christened 9-Jan1825 at Dorset Gardens Wesleyan, Brighton, the son of Nathanael Hillman and Jane Huben. He later worked as Miller's Manager in Bedhampton, Hampshire and had several offspring (I've picked this up in the 1881 census).
I'd like to find out if he had any siblings, and anything at all about his parents.
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Hi Roy. Welcome to Rootschat if you haven't already been welcomed :)
The IGI has two daughters attributed to a Nathaniel & Jane Hillman;
Elizabeth baptised 13/10/1822, St. Nicholas, Brighton
Jane Maria baptised 13/11/1833 ditto.
Can't find a marriage for them (Nathaniel & Jane) which is a bit disconcerting.
In 1841 it looks as if Nathaniel has died (there is a death reg. for a Nathaniel Hillman on FreeBMD Q3 1839, Brighton reg. district)
Castle St. Palace. Brighthelmstone
Jane Hillman 40 Dressmaker b. Ssx
Jane Hillman 13 Not born Ssx.
1851. 28 Crown St. Palace. Brighton
Jane Hillman wid 54 Nurse b. West---? Ssx
Jane Maria 23 Dressmaker b. Tunbridge Wells, Kent.
It looks to me as if Jane Maria was baptised in Brighton at about age 5.
In 1851 Jabez Nathaniel was lodging with a C. Robinson a police constable at St. Margarets, Westminster. He was unmarried age 26 & a writing clerk, born Brighton.
Jane Maria married a Henry Wood, Q1 1855, Brighton reg. district (FreeBMD)
in 1861. West St, Havant, Hants
Henry Wood 33 Grocer & Baker b. Warnham, Ssx
Jane Maria 33 b. T/Wells, Kent
Hannah M. 4 b. Farlington, Hants
Edward 2 b. Havant
Arthur H. 1 ditto
Hannah Wood 19 sister unm. b. Ssx
a male apprentice & a female servant.
Hope that's been of help,
jane
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Just a little extra.
The IGI has an extracted baptism for Jane Huben born 13/8/1796, baptised 4/9/1796 at Westham, Ssx. D/o Thomas & Hannah.
Looks like her father married twice;
New Shoreham, West Sussex, 12 Jan 1783:
Thomas HUBIN
Hannah BIGNALL
Westham, East Sussex, 25 May 1803:
Thomas HUBEN, widr
Ann HILTON, sp botp (lic)
Witnesses: John FUNNEL John CHRISTIAN
jane
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Jane - Thank you very much for the information - most helpful!
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You're welcome :)
jane
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Message for Roy -
I also descend from the Hillman/Huben marriage. To be more precise, the Hillman/Watkins marriage. I have lots of info - mostly from the IGI & various family sources.
In Sydney,
Jax
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Hello Jane,
Thanks for your post - but for the life of me I can't find this marriage on IGI
New Shoreham, West Sussex, 12 Jan 1783:
Thomas HUBIN
Hannah BIGNALL
Can you help further?
Regards,
Jamie.
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;D Hi Jamie,
Jane is still around so I'm sure she'll come back at some point ... I had a look and can't find the marriage on the IGI either.
However, both Thomas' Hubin's marriages are on the Sussex Marriage Index and this may well be Jane's source?
There is no information other than what she has given you here though:
Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index:
Place: New Shoreham, West Sussex, Date: 12 Jan 1783:
Subject: Thomas HUBIN
Spouse: Hannah BIGNALL
Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index:
Place: Westham, East Sussex, Date: 25 May 1803:
Subject: Thomas HUBEN, widr
Spouse: Ann HILTON, sp botp (lic)
Extra Information: w: John FUNNEL John CHRISTIAN
Liz
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Thank you very much, Liz.
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Thanks Liz. Yes, you got it right the marriages were from the SMI. The baptism was from the IGI,
Jane