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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: ontchick on Friday 25 March 05 00:49 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information on JOHN FERRIER born March 13, 1725/26 in Angus. He married Susannah Scott on January 6, 1757 in Barry, Angus.
They had the following children:
James 1757; John 1759; Alexander 1761; David 1763-1772; William 1765; Patrick 1768; George 1770; David 1773; Jean 1777.
There may possibly be more children. :-\
Any information on John's parents, siblings or his children would be greatly appreciated.
Happy searching, Ontchick :)
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Hi Ontchick, afraid I can't help you at the moment but I have 2 Ferriers from Forfar in my tree - they might connect at some point....
Peter Ferrier b. about 1832, Forfar. One child (that I know of)
Ann Ferrier b. 1853, Forfar.
Keep me in mind if you come accross any connection.
Have a nice day :)
Lindsay
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Hi All
I have ferrier's in my family tree - do any of you want to swap information on ferrier's. If so please email: (*)
How are you connected to the ferrier's
allan
Moderator Comment: e-mail removed, to avoid spamming and other abuses. Please use the PM system for exchanging personal data.
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Hi,
I have a William Ferrier b. 25/7/1794 in Kinnell, Forfar whose father was also William which might fit in with your william b 1760s. The father was listed as a dyker - later descendants were stonemasons - and his wife was Catherine Bowen. Alexander is also one of the names which appears with regularity in the descendants.
Any possibility of a link?
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I too have a Ferrier.
My Alexander Ogilvie b. 20.12.1890 d 05.06.1939 married Lily Ferrier dob unknown d. 06.07.1968. Both buried Newmonthill Cemetery, Forfar.
Their daughter Lily married Alexander Smith.
Jean :)
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Hi Jean
I have ANN OGILVY b. Feb 11, 1770, Perth, Scotland married to JOHN FERRIER b. Nov 17, 1759. They were married in Dundee, Angus on Apr 12, 1790.
KIds : John, Ann, Jean, Mary and James.
I would suspect your people and mine may be related but for now I have no connection. I will let you know if I find anything.
Happy searching,
Ontchick
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Hi,
Does anyone have FERRIERS in their tree?
I'm trying to find the birth/baptism of ALEXANDER FERRIER in about 1755-65.
He was a weaver and married JEAN STEWART on 3 Aug 1781 in Perth.
They had the following children (all in Perth):-
Thomas 1782
Alexander 1784
Jean 1786
Ann 1788
Charles Bisset 1790 (my gggg grandfather)
John (1) 1791
James 1793
Robert 1795
John (2) 1797.
I've tried without any luck to find Alexander's baptism in Perth and Perthshire. I've noticed that there are quite a few Ferriers on the IGI from the Edinburgh area and wondered if his family may have moved up to Perth from there.
Can anyone help please?
Jill.
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I have some ... not directly but connected.
My 4G Aunt, Elizabeth Meldrum born 26th Jan 1814 in Dundee married a Gibson Ferrier 27th Jun 1839 in Ferry-Port-on-Craig, Fife.
Elizabeth was the daughter of Thomas Meldrum and Elizabeth Pirie of Fife, somewhere, possibly Newburgh.
I don't know anything much about Gibson - he died before 1881 but I can't find his dc. Gibson and Elizabeth had minimum 4 children. They are shown on the 1841 as living in Dundee where Gibson Ferrier aged 25 was a clerk born 'Outside Census County'.
I have a copy of Elizabeth's will and quite a bit on the Ferrier children - especially their eldest John Ferrier who became very successful as an East India Merchant.
I have also in my notes, the following with regard to their son Gibson, born 5th Jan 1844 in Dundee
"In 1871, Gibson was a lodger at 21, Gt. Percy Street, London along with his brother John. His occupation is shown as Commercial Clerk (Bank). Gibson may have died before his mother 1886, he is not mentioned in her will, she left everything to John and their sister Eliza. He could also be the Gibson Ferrier, Newspaper Manager, married to Annabella b. Auckland NZ (British Subject) in the 1891 English Census living in Kensington, but unlikely as this Gibson is shown as being born in Perth"
I mention it only because I seem to have found another Gibson Ferrier with a Perth connection.
regards,
Lindsay
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Hi Lindsay,
I'm beginning to think that FERRIER must be quite an unusual name. There don't seem to be many about.
I'm afraid I don't know of any connection to Gibson Ferrier. I see you have Gibsons (as a surname) in your tree - might there be any connection between these two branches of your tree or is it just a coincidence?
Stragely enough, I also have Gibson in my tree ( though not in Scotland - so far!) and I also have an Elizabeth Pirie but she was from Aberdeenshire.
Small world!
Jill.
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Hi Jill,
No, Gibsons in my tree are just coincidental on another line. Yes, I noticed your Pirie's and wondered but then I looked again and didn't see any Meldrums ...
Every generation in 'my' Ferriers seems to have had a Gibson Ferrier. I research the Ferriers only hoping to make a connection to Thomas Meldrum and Elizabeth Pirie that can take me back but I will add your Alexander and let you know if I come across anything.
Yes, I think it is quite an unusual name also but I like it very much.
Where are your Gibsons and who are they? If you tell me Oamaru in NZ, I will swamp you with mails :)
regards,
Lindsay
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No, sorry Lindsay, nothing quite as exotic! My Gibsons come from West Yorkshire and into East Yorkshire!
Jill
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I have both OGILVIEs & FERRIERS in my tree.
Name: Peter FERRIER
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Birth: 1831 Forfar.
Death: 24 10 1900 3 Bell Place, Forfar.1
Occupation: General labourer.
Spouse: Elspeth MARTIN
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Birth: 1830 Eassie, Forfar.
Death: 7 12 1894 12 South St., Forfar.2
Occupation: Linen weaver.
Father: James MARTIN
Mother: Euphemia STEEDMAN (1789-1875)
Other Spouses: STURROCK
Children:
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1 F: Helen STURROCK (Step)
Birth: 1850 Forfar, Angus.
Occupation: Linen winder
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2 F: Jessie FERRIER (Illegitimate)
Birth: 1853 Forfar, Angus.
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3 M: James FERRIER (Illegitimate)
Birth: 1858 Forfar.
Occupation: Factory worker
Religion: Church of Scotland.
Spouse: Jane THOM
Marriage: 15 2 1878 13 Horse Water Wynd, Forfar.3
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4 F: Ann FERRIER (Illegitimate)
Birth: 18 4 1863 Forfar.4
Occupation: Linen weaver.
1 John OGILVIE
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Birth: c1767, Arlie, Angus
Occ: Linen weaver.
Spouse: Betsy McWATTIE
Birth: c1771, Airlie, Forfar.
Marr: 27 11 1792, Airlie, Forfar.
Children: David (1795-)
Helen (1797-)
Jean (1799-)
Robert (1802-)
Margaret (1804-)
Betsy (1806-)
Ann (1808-1880)
Janet (1811-)
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:)
My ggg grandparents are Peter Ferrier & Elspeth Martin - their daughter Ann is my gg grandmother.
Feel free to contact me to swap further information.
Best regards
Lindsay
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Not the same Lindsay :) but I have Ferrier's also .. a Gibson Ferrier married my 4G Aunt, Eliza Meldrum in Ferry-Port-on-Craig in 1839.
Have you seen the Ferrier post on Scotland General???
regards,
Lindsay
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Hi Gill
I am a Ferrier, and my ancestors came from Angus (forfarshire) and their are a lot of us around.
I am currently out of the country but will search my records when I get back home for the names you have listed
allan :)
Moderator Comment: topics merged
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Thanks Allan,
I'd really appreciate that.
Jill
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Hi Jill,
There is another Ferrier in Angus post on the Angus page started by ontchick, should we ask a moderator to combine them? What do you think?
regards,
Lindsay
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Sounds like a good idea to me, Lindsay - the more the merrier. I've got no idea how to go about it though!
Jill
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I'll try clicking the 'report to moderator' button, see if that helps.
regards,
Lindsay
Moderator Comment: yes, it helped ;D topics now merged
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Hi,
I've been following the posts on Ferriers with interest and wondered if you knew that some of the name variants of the surname are Ferrar, Farrier and Ferrer - which might be useful in your searches.
I was fortunate to be contacted last year through Genes Reunited by a gentleman who has spent 38 years researching and building up a vast database on Ferriers...I have a Jean Ferrar born in Glass, Aberdeenshire in about 1760... he was able to tell me a bit about the history of the Ferriers which was fascinating though we didn't find a connection.
This morning, I sent him the link to this thread as I think that he will be interested and might want to join in - I hope so anyway. :)
Elaine
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Reference the first question about John Ferrier marrying Susannah Scott. I have two references to a marriage of John Ferrier to Susannah Scott the first in Barry angus on the 6th January 1751, (or is it 1757) and the second on 8th December 1861 in Dundee. Is this the same couple or is it two couples where the first had a James and John in 1757 and 1759 and then the rest were born in Dundee to the other couplle.
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Hello my name is Martin Ferrier. I have been researching the name Ferrier and variations for the last 41 years and have a database of about 760,000 ferriers/relations. Most of these are not in my family tree. I am more than willing to share information the information I have gathered and hopefully expand my knowledge of Ferrier worldwide. My own particular branch of Ferrier started out life as Ferrar in Aberdeen in Scotland about 1700. You can view a fairly recent copy of my specific tree at http://www.new-destiny.co.uk/martin/genealog.htm. I currently communicate with several hundred other people who are researching Ferrier.
As far as I can figure it the majority (about 80%) of the Ferriers come
from Angus. Some got the name Ferrier because they
ferried people across rivers. There were definately parts of that source
which moved locally to Edinburgh and Aberdeen. Another source was Normandy in France where early on a de-Ferriere came over to England with William the conqueror. This family later changed their name to deFerrer and there are several towns in england with the part of their name being De Ferrer.
There is a branch of that Family it is believed, (although never
definitively traced) in the Norfolk area of England. There are also
pockets of the name which came from France, Ireland, Portugal, and Italy.
Naturally there are many corruptions of the name and one which is
poularly quoted is a corruption of Farrier a person who shoes horses. Several Ferriers emigrated to the US, Canada and Australia. There are many in Australia mainly from Scottish descent. There are several in Ontario who come also from Scotland. There was a large family in the Orange county area of NY which came from an Irish/Scottish Ferrier. There is also a large family around Mifflin County Pennysylvania who came from Scotland. I know that some of the Ontario Ferriers came via the US and also went back to the US and I believe that some of those were from Missouri but have never found anyone
who had much information about them.
I have a lot of fragmented information on US Ferriers from Census records,
death records telephone records. Where I can trace someone back to
england/wales or scotland I have a lot of information on
birth/death/marriage census information. Currently of the entries
I have I can link myself to a few hundred of them, although my full
tree with other branches of the family is several
thousand in size. My own antecedents come from Aberdeen in Scotland,
then to London via the north of England, following the docks.
They have been in London area since about 1850. I am trying to trace other
parts of the Ferrier family to get a comprehensive picture.
regards
Martin Ferrier
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Hi Martin,
I thought Elaine's contact might be you! Welcome!
We've been in contact before about the Ferriers from Perth. I'm still trying to find the birth/baptism of ALEXANDER FERRIER, husband of JEAN STEWART and father of CHARLES BISSET FERRIER.
You thought Alexander was born about 1765 in Perth but I haven't been able to find him and was beginning to wonder if his family had moved up from the Edinburgh area as there are a few Ferriers on the IGI from that neck of the woods.
Have you discovered anything else since we last 'spoke'?
Jill
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Lindsay G is this the Peter Ferrier that you refer to?
Marriage:mn[6306]
Husband: Ferrier Peter pn[15108] Sex M (-1831-1900-)
Birth: Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1841/JUN/6 Age:9 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=Newmondhill, Age=9, Birthplace=Angus, Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1863/APR/18 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Role=Father, Event Type=birth
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:40 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Condition=U, Address=106 Castle Street, Occupation=Labourer, Age=40, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:49 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Condition=M, Address=6 Canmore St., Forfar, Occupation=Labourer, Age=49, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Census: 1891 Age:59 Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Death: 1900/OCT/24 Age:64 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=3 Bell Place
Wife: Martin Elspeth pn[15109] Sex F (-1819-1894-), Occupation=Linen Weaver
Birth: Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Birth: 1823 Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1863/APR/18 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Role=Mother, Event Type=birth
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:48 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Condition=U, Address=106 Castle Street, Occupation=Servant, Age=48, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:62 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Condition=M, Address=6 Canmore St., Forfar, Age=62, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Death: 1894/DEC/7 Age:64 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=12 South Street
Child #1: Ferrier James pn[141687] Sex M
Birth: Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:13 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=106 Castle Street, Occupation=Scholar, Age=13, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Marriage: 1878/FEB/15 Age:20 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=26 Canmore Street, Forfar, Occupation=Factory Worker, Status=Bachelor
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:23 Forfar,Forfar,Scotland, Address=5 Glamis Road, Occupation=General Labourer, Role=Head, Status=M
Census: 1891 Age:32 Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Child #2: Ferrier Ann pn[749421] Sex F
Birth: 1863/APR/18 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Occupation=Linen Weaver
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:7 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=106 Castle Street, Occupation=Scholar, Age=7, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:17 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Condition=U, Address=6 Canmore St., Forfar, Occupation=Linen Winder, Age=17, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
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Reference moderators comment, what is the PM system, so that I can exchange email addresses?
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Reference append by Grey Seagull
Is this the William you refer to?
Marriage:mn[4062]
Marriage: 1781/MAR/23 Kinnell,Angus,Scotland
Husband: Ferrier William pn[8084] Sex M (-1767-1794-)
Birth: Kinnell,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1851/MAR/30 Age:46 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland, Occupation=Master Mason, Age=46, Birthplace=Kinnell, Angus, Scotland
Wife: Bowden Catherine pn[8083] Sex F (-1767-1790-)
Child #1: Ferrier Grisle pn[21900] Sex F (-1782-)
Christening: 1782/JAN/8 Kinnell,Angus,Scotland
Child #2: Ferrier John pn[10480] Sex M (-1784-)
Christening: 1784/SEP Kinnell,Angus,Scotland
Child #3: Ferrier Jean pn[23619] Sex F (-1787-)
Birth: 1787/FEB/10 Kinnell,Angus,Scotland
Child #4: Ferrier Alexander pn[8082] Sex M (-1790-)
Birth: 1790/JUN/15 Kinnell,Angus,Scotland
Child #5: Ferrier William pn[8016] Sex M (-1794-1861-), Alternative Name=WILLM
Birth: Kinnell,Angus,Scotland
Birth: 1794/JUL/25 Kinnell,Angus,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1826/AUG/7 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland, Role=Father, Event Type=christening
Census: 1851/MAR/30 Age:46 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland, Occupation=Master Mason, Age=46, Birthplace=Kinnell, Angus, Scotland
Census: 1861/APR/7 Age:67 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland, Condition=M, Occupation=Master Mason, Age=67, Birthplace=Kinnell, Angus, Scotland
Child #6: Ferrier Isabel pn[22239] Sex F (-1797-)
Christening: 1797/JUL/17 Kinnell,Angus,Scotland
Marriage:mn[4037]
Marriage: 1823/NOV/13 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Husband: Ferrier William pn[8016] Sex M (-1794-1861-), Alternative Name=WILLM
Birth: Kinnell,Angus,Scotland
Birth: 1794/JUL/25 Kinnell,Angus,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1826/AUG/7 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland, Role=Father, Event Type=christening
Census: 1851/MAR/30 Age:46 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland, Occupation=Master Mason, Age=46, Birthplace=Kinnell, Angus, Scotland
Census: 1861/APR/7 Age:67 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland, Condition=M, Occupation=Master Mason, Age=67, Birthplace=Kinnell, Angus, Scotland
Wife: Gibb Elspeth pn[8015] Sex F (-1809-1851-), Alternative Name=ELSEPETH, Alternative Name=FERRIER
Birth: Arbroath,Angus,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1826/AUG/7 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland, Role=Mother, Event Type=christening
Census: 1851/MAR/30 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1861/APR/7 Age:60 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland, Condition=M, Age=60, Birthplace=Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
Child #1: Ferrier William pn[12231] Sex M (-1824-)
Christening: 1824/DEC/31 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Christening: 1825/JAN/1 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Notes:also in IGI for 1/1/1825
Child #2: Ferrier Elizabeth Lyall pn[14430] Sex F (-1826-1861-), Alternative Name=ELISABETH
Christening: 1826/AUG/7 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland, Role=Subject
Miscellaneous event: 1848/FEB/25 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland, Role=Wife, Event Type=marriage
Child #3: Ferrier Isobel pn[22288] Sex F (-1828-)
Christening: 1828/SEP/10 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Child #4: Ferrier Nicoll pn[9540] Sex M (-1830-)
Birth: 1830/DEC/14 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Child #5: Ferrier Alexander pn[8110] Sex M (-1833-)
Birth: 1833/SEP/22 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1851/MAR/30 Age:17 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland, Occupation=Mason, Age=17
Child #6: Ferrier James Fotheringham pn[8014] Sex M (-1836-)
Christening: 1836/APR/10 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1851/MAR/30 Age:15 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland, Age=15
Child #7: Ferrier Isabella pn[22294] Sex F (-1838-)
Christening: 1838/APR/1 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1851/MAR/30 Age:13 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland, Age=13
Child #8: Ferrier Margaret pn[26147] Sex F (-1840-)
Birth: Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Christening: 1840/DEC/27 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1861/APR/7 Age:20 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland, Condition=U, Occupation=Domestic Servant, Age=20, Birthplace=Kirkden, Angus, Scotland
Child #9: Ferrier Agnes Leitch pn[12337] Sex F (-1843-)
Christening: 1843/SEP/3 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1851/MAR/30 Age:7 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland, Age=7
Notes on Data: Best efforts are made to ensure the accuracy of the data. Some data may have
been collected from other researchers and may not have been validated.
I make no claims as to the accuracy of the data. You should validate that
before using it. If you discover errors or omissions then please contact the
author.
In the data presented the dates in brackets e.g. (-1757-1787-) are only
estimates and are the dates when I know someone lived for sure, they do not
necessarily depict the date of birth or death. The birth date may be earlier
and the death date later. They may coincide with the birth and death dates.
The presence of second date does not imply they are dead. All dates are in
UK format.
Martin Ferrier.
http://www.new-destiny.co.uk/martin/genealog.htm
V1.022 14/1/2006
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Ontchick
The John Ferrier you have marrying Ann Ogilvy I have several generations of descendants from this family. This is a arge amount of information and I don't know how Roots chats handles the xchange of large files.
Martin Ferrier
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Jillian
The only alexanders I have on file for that time are:
Ferrior Alexander pn[8069] Sex M (-1766-)
Christening: 1766/MAR/9 Arbroath,Angus,Scotland
Parents:Marriage:mn[4057]
Marriage: 1759/JUN/17 Arbroath,Angus,Scotland
Father: Ferrier Charles pn[8071] Sex M (-1745-1770-), Alternative Name=FERRIOR
Miscellaneous event: 1763/NOV/25 Arbroath,Angus,Scotland, Role=Father, Event Type=christening
Mother: Mogg Margaret pn[8070] Sex F (-1745-1770-), Alternative Name=MOUG, Alternative Name=MOG
Miscellaneous event: 1763/NOV/25 Arbroath,Angus,Scotland, Role=Mother, Event Type=christening
Ferror Alexander pn[324555] Sex M (-1768-)
Christening: 1768/JUN/9 Tullynessle And,Aberdeen,Scotland
Parents:Marriage:mn[114073]
Father: Ferror James pn[324556] Sex M
Ferrier Alexander pn[609500] Sex M (-1765-)
Birth: 1765/MAR/9 ,
Christening: 1765/MAR/11 South Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Parents:Marriage:mn[218909]
Father: Ferrier Andrew pn[609498] Sex M (-1751-1782-)
Miscellaneous event: 1765/MAR/9 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1765/MAR/11 South Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1766/NOV/15 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1766/NOV/23 South Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1771/SEP/2 North Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1773/OCT/30 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1773/NOV/3 North Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1779/APR/3 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1779/APR/5 North Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1782/MAR/3 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1782/MAR/21 North Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Mother: Braid Hellen pn[609499] Sex F (-1751-1782-), Alternative Name=HELLEN, Alternative Name=BRIDE, Alternative Name=HELEN
Miscellaneous event: 1765/MAR/9 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1765/MAR/11 South Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1766/NOV/15 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1766/NOV/23 South Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1771/SEP/2 North Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1773/OCT/30 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1773/NOV/3 North Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1779/APR/3 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1779/APR/5 North Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1782/MAR/3 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1782/MAR/21 North Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Ferrier Alexander pn[609467] Sex M (-1763-)
Birth: 1763/FEB/13 ,
Christening: 1763/FEB/20 Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Parents:Marriage:mn[218953]
Father: Ferrier Alexander pn[609630] Sex M (-1747-1772-)
Miscellaneous event: Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1761/MAY/25 Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1763/FEB/13 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1763/FEB/20 Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1765/DEC/1 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1765/DEC/2 Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1768/JUL/1 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1768/JUL/3 Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1772/AUG/2 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1772/AUG/9 Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Mother: Chisholm Jean pn[609631] Sex F (-1747-1772-), Alternative Name=CHISHOLME, Alternative Name=CHISOLM
Miscellaneous event: Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1761/MAY/25 Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1763/FEB/13 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1763/FEB/20 Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1765/DEC/1 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1765/DEC/2 Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1768/JUL/1 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1768/JUL/3 Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1772/AUG/2 ,
Miscellaneous event: 1772/AUG/9 Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Marriage:mn[7221]
Marriage: 1744 Paisley,Renfrew,Scotland
Marriage: 1744/JAN/7 Paisley,Renfrew,Scotland
Marriage: 1744/JAN/21 Kilbarchan,Renfrew,Scotland
Husband: Ferrier John pn[17846] Sex M (-1719-1762-)
Birth: 1719/abt Paisley,Renfrew,Scotland
Wife: Cochran Mary pn[17845] Sex F (-1730-1762-)
Child #1: Ferrier Mary pn[26540] Sex F (-1744-)
Christening: 1744/NOV/30 Kilbarchan,Renfrew,Scotland
Child #2: Ferrier Alexander pn[17844] Sex M (-1762-)
Birth: 1762/FEB/22 Kilbarchan,Renfrew,Scotland
Ferrier Alexander pn[8039] Sex M (-1761-)
Birth: 1761/SEP/10 Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Christening: 1761/SEP/13 Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Parents:Marriage:mn[5105]
Marriage: 1761/DEC/8 Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Father: Ferrier John pn[10441] Sex M (-1736-1790-), Alternative Name=Ferriar
Birth: 1736/abt Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Notes:see mn1936 Weaver in Dundee
Mother: Scott Susanna pn[10442] Sex F (-1730-1796-)
Death: 1796/NOV/14 Age:66 ,
Marriage:mn[114250]
Marriage: 1760/MAR/18 Mortlach,Banff,Scotland
Husband: Ferrar William pn[324977] Sex M (-1746-1760-)
Wife: Moir Elspet pn[324978] Sex F (-1746-1760-)
Child #1: Ferrar Alexander pn[324569] Sex M (-1760-)
Christening: 1760/DEC/27 Mortlach,Banff,Scotland
Christening: 1760/DEC/27 Mortlach,Banff,Scotland
Child #2: Ferrar John pn[324825] Sex M (-1763-)
Christening: 1763/AUG/28 Mortlach,Banff,Scotland
regards Martin
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Lindsay
must confess I didn't think the dicrepancy over gibsons birth was unusual. This is what I have of that family. Let me know if you have any errors/additions.
Martin
Marriage:mn[2816]
Marriage: 1839/JUN/27 Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Marriage: 1839/JUN/27 Ferry Port-On-Cr,Fife,Scotland
Husband: Ferrier Gibson pn[4856] Sex M (-1815-1846-)
Birth: 1815 Dun,Angus,Scotland
Wife: Meldrum Elizabeth pn[4857] Sex F (-1814-1846-)
Birth: 1814/JUN/26 Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Child #1: Ferrier John pn[4858] Sex M (-1840-)
Birth: Scotland
Christening: 1840/APR/8 Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:31 Clerkenwell,London,England, Condition=U, Address=21 Gt.Percy Street, Occupation=Commercial Clerk, Age=31, Birthplace=Scotland
Child #2: Ferrier Thomas Meldrum pn[4247] Sex M (-1842-1881-)
Birth: Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Christening: 1842/MAR/17 Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Marriage: 1870/2q Manchester,,England, Reference=8d 461
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:29 Stretford,Lancashire,England, Condition=M, Address=4 Station Villas, Occupation=Linen Merchant, Age=29, Birthplace=Scotland
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:36 Forgan,Fife,Scotland, Condition=M, Address=Tayview House, Address=Tayview House, Occupation=West India Merchant, Occupation=West India Merchant, Role=Head, Age=36, Status=M, Birthplace=Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Child #3: Ferrier Gibson pn[2945] Sex M (-1844-1917-)
Birth: Perth,Scotland
Christening: 1844/FEB/14 Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:27 Clerkenwell,London,England, Condition=U, Address=21 Gt.Percy Street, Occupation=Commercial Clerk (Bank), Age=27, Birthplace=Scotland
Marriage: 1887/1q Kensington,,England, Reference=1a 287
Marriage index: 1887/1q Kensington,London,England, Role=Husband, Event Type=Marriage Index
Census: 1891/APR/5 Age:47 Kensington,London,England, Condition=M, Address=36 Shalford road, Occupation=News Paper Manager, Age=47, Birthplace=Perth, Scotland
Census: 1901/MAR/31 Age:57 Lingfield,Surrey,England, Occupation=Retired Bank Manager
Death: 1917/abt Penzance,Cornwall,England
Child #4: Ferrier Eliza Pierce pn[4859] Sex F (-1846-1873-), Alternative Name=Eliza Pirie, Alternative Name=ELIZA LIVIE
Christening: 1846/JUL/29 Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Birth: 1846/JUL/29 Dun,Angus,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1867/NOV/5 Dundee,Angus,Scotland, Role=Wife, Event Type=marriage
Notes on Data: Best efforts are made to ensure the accuracy of the data. Some data may have
been collected from other researchers and may not have been validated.
I make no claims as to the accuracy of the data. You should validate that
before using it. If you discover errors or omissions then please contact the
author.
In the data presented the dates in brackets e.g. (-1757-1787-) are only
estimates and are the dates when I know someone lived for sure, they do not
necessarily depict the date of birth or death. The birth date may be earlier
and the death date later. They may coincide with the birth and death dates.
The presence of second date does not imply they are dead. All dates are in
UK format.
Martin Ferrier.
http://www.new-destiny.co.uk/martin/genealog.htm
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Hi Martin,
Have you anything on the FERRIERs below?
Name: Peter FERRIER
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Birth: 1831 Forfar.
Death: 24 10 1900 3 Bell Place, Forfar.1
Occupation: General labourer.
Father: George FERRIER
Mother: Isabella IRVINE
Spouse: Elspeth MARTIN
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Birth: 1820 Eassie, Forfar.
Death: 7 12 1894 12 South St., Forfar.2
Occupation: Linen weaver.
Father: James MARTIN
Mother: Euphemia STEEDMAN (1789-1875)
Other Spouses: STURROCK
Children:
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1 M: George STURROCK (Step)
Birth: 1841 Forfar.
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2 F: Helen STURROCK (Step)
Birth: 1849 Forfar, Angus.
Occupation: Linen winder
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3 F: Jessie FERRIER (Illegitimate)
Birth: 1853 Forfar, Angus.
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4 M: James FERRIER (Illegitimate)
Birth: 1858 Forfar.
Occupation: Factory worker
Religion: Church of Scotland.
Spouse: Jane THOM
Marriage: 15 2 1878 13 Horse Water Wynd, Forfar.3
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5 F: Ann FERRIER (Illegitimate)
Birth: 18 4 1863 Forfar.4
Death: 22 4 1936 57 Queen Street, Forfar.5
Occupation: Linen weaver.
Spouse: George Cooper DUNCAN
Marriage: 30 12 1881 Forfar.
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Wildgoose
I suspect I haven't got anything new. This is what I have of that family. I didn't know about the Jessie Ferrier until I read your append. Where did you find that?
Martin
Marriage:mn[6306]
Husband: Ferrier Peter pn[15108] Sex M (-1831-1900-), Occupation=General Labourer
Birth: Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1841/JUN/6 Age:9 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=Newmondhill, Age=9, Birthplace=Angus, Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1863/APR/18 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Role=Father, Event Type=birth
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:40 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Condition=U, Address=106 Castle Street, Occupation=Labourer, Age=40, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:49 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Condition=M, Address=6 Canmore St., Forfar, Occupation=Labourer, Age=49, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Census: 1891 Age:59 Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Death: 1900/OCT/24 Age:64 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=3 Bell Place
Wife: Martin Elspeth pn[15109] Sex F (-1819-1894-), Occupation=Linen Weaver
Birth: 1823 Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1863/APR/18 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Role=Mother, Event Type=birth
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:48 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Condition=U, Address=106 Castle Street, Occupation=Servant, Age=48, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:62 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Condition=M, Address=6 Canmore St., Forfar, Age=62, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Death: 1894/DEC/7 Age:64 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=12 South Street
Child #1: Ferrier Jessie pn[783899] Sex F (-1853-)
Birth: 1853 Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Child #2: Ferrier James pn[141687] Sex M (-1858-1891-)
Birth: Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:13 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=106 Castle Street, Occupation=Scholar, Age=13, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Marriage: 1878/FEB/15 Age:20 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=26 Canmore Street, Forfar, Occupation=Factory Worker, Status=Bachelor
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:23 Forfar,Forfar,Scotland, Address=5 Glamis Road, Occupation=General Labourer, Role=Head, Status=M
Census: 1891 Age:32 Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Child #3: Ferrier Ann pn[749421] Sex F (-1863-1881-)
Birth: 1863/APR/18 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Occupation=Linen Weaver
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:7 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=106 Castle Street, Occupation=Scholar, Age=7, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:17 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Condition=U, Address=6 Canmore St., Forfar, Occupation=Linen Winder, Age=17, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Marriage:mn[45905]
Marriage: 1878/FEB/15 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=13 Horse Water Wynd
Husband: Ferrier James pn[141687] Sex M (-1858-1891-)
Birth: Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:13 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=106 Castle Street, Occupation=Scholar, Age=13, Birthplace=Forfar, Angus, Scotland
Marriage: 1878/FEB/15 Age:20 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=26 Canmore Street, Forfar, Occupation=Factory Worker, Status=Bachelor
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:23 Forfar,Forfar,Scotland, Address=5 Glamis Road, Occupation=General Labourer, Role=Head, Status=M
Census: 1891 Age:32 Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Wife: Thom Jane pn[141688] Sex F (-1856-1881-), Alternative Name=DOIG
Birth: 1856 Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Marriage: 1878/FEB/15 Age:20 Forfar,Angus,Scotland, Address=13 Horse Water Wynd, Forfar, Occupation=Factory Yarn Spinner, Status=Spinster
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:23 Forfar,Forfar,Scotland, Address=5 Glamis Road, Occupation=Factory Weaver, Role=Wife, Status=M
Child #1: Ferrier Robert pn[141689] Sex M (-1880-1891-)
Birth: Forfar,Forfar,Scotland
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:1 Forfar,Forfar,Scotland, Address=5 Glamis Road, Role=Son
Census: 1891 Age:11 Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Child #2: Ferrier David pn[105776] Sex M (-1882-1891-)
Census: 1891 Age:9 Forfar,Angus,Scotland
Notes on Data: Best efforts are made to ensure the accuracy of the data. Some data may have
been collected from other researchers and may not have been validated.
I make no claims as to the accuracy of the data. You should validate that
before using it. If you discover errors or omissions then please contact the
author.
In the data presented the dates in brackets e.g. (-1757-1787-) are only
estimates and are the dates when I know someone lived for sure, they do not
necessarily depict the date of birth or death. The birth date may be earlier
and the death date later. They may coincide with the birth and death dates.
The presence of second date does not imply they are dead. All dates are in
UK format.
Martin Ferrier.
http://www.new-destiny.co.uk/martin/genealog.htm
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Hi Martin
Welcome to Rootschat :) Wow, you've been busy since I last looked here ...it's wonderful!
You were wondering about the PM system - it's for sending personal messages which won't be shown on the board. To send one click on the scroll on the left of the page under your details.
Elaine :)
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Jessie FERRIER is on the 1861 Census:
1861 Census recs.
Dwelling: 108 Castle St.
Census Place: Forfar, ANS
Peter FERRIER, head, marr., 28, linen handloom weaver, ANS, Forfar.
Elspeth Martin FERRIER, wife, marr., 30, linen handloom weaver, ANS, Forfar.
Jessie, daur., 8, scholar, ANS, Forfar.
James, son, 3, ANS, Forfar.
Helen STURROCK, step daur., 11, linen winder, ANS, Forfar
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Hello Martin,
I don't really research Ferriers, my main interest is the connection to Meldrums but I have collected a little info on the family of Gibson Ferrier and Elizabeth Meldrum as below. Naturally, I am always happy to hear from Ferrier's who may connect ....
Gibson FERRIER - (c. 1816 - 28th September 1847) No birth certificate/OPR found.
Gibson married Elizabeth MELDRUM, daughter of Thomas MELDRUM & Elizabeth PIRIE, in Ferry Port On Craig, Fife on 27 Jun 1839.
He died in Dundee where he was employed as a Clerk in the Wallace Foundry there. He died intestate but according to his inventory, Elizabeth inherited 211 pounds and 13 shillings (sterling) - 61 pounds and 13 shillings being the value of his Household Furniture, Bed and Table Linen, Wearing Apparel and Watch and the other 150 pounds, the result of 2 life insurance policies that he held with the Scottish Widows Fund.
Elizabeth was born on 26 Jan 1814 in Dundee, Angus. She died of syncope, aged 72 in Newburgh, Fife on 23 Mar 1886.
They had 4 children, John, Thomas, Gibson and Eliza Ferrier.
Shown on the 1841 census as living at Cotton Road, Dundee, Angus (P-282 D-90 F18 P9)
Gibson Ferrier, aged 25, a clerk born Outside Census County I.e. Not born in Angus
Eliza Ferrier, aged 25, born in Angus
John Ferrier, aged 1, born in Angus
Cathrine (sic) Ferrier, aged 60, an Independent born Outside Census Country
Catherine FERRIER born c. 1781 I presume to be the mother of Gibson. His father may have been a John Ferrier as per SNP, although nothing found for a John and Catherine in the right time period.
regards,
Lindsay
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Lindsay
must confess I didn't think the dicrepancy over gibsons birth was unusual. This is what I have of that family. Let me know if you have any errors/additions.
Martin
You may well be right, seems likely - all other census info in Scotland for Gibson shows him to have been born in Dundee, Angus/Forfarshire. IGI has an extracted record showing his birth on 5th Jan 1844 in Dundee so probably the 1881 is incorrect.
Child #1: Ferrier John pn[4858] Sex M (-1840-)
Birth: Scotland
Christening: 1840/APR/8 Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:31 Clerkenwell,London,England, Condition=U, Address=21 Gt.Percy Street, Occupation=Commercial Clerk, Age=31, Birthplace=Scotland
John FERRIER - Born on 8 Apr 1840 in Dundee, Angus.
In 1871, John was a lodger at 21 Gt. Percy Street in London, along with his brother Gibson. His occupation is shown as Commercial Clerk (Russian Merchants) and he was unmarried.
In 1881, he was living at 32, Lancaster Road, Kensington, London, an unmarried Merchant, aged 41 and a boarder with the Straturaun family. I think it is coincidence that an Eliza Wilson, aged 19 and a servant born in London is also shown living there.
In 1886 when he probated his mother's will, he lived at 10, Albert Hall Mansions, Kensington Gore, London SW.
He is shown on the 1891 census for England as a Russian Merchant and Widower living at 27, Onslow Gardens with his niece Eliza M. Wilson, daughter of his sister Eliza Ferrier Wilson and 3 servants - cook, parlourmaid and housemaid. According to FreeBMD, a John Ferrier married in 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep in Kensington Greater London, his wife could have been either Emily Gordon or Eliza Temple Waterman but I think Emily Gordon is more likely as FreeBMD also has an entry for an Emily Ferrier who died in Oct/Nov/Dec 1890 in Kensington.
John remarried in June 1897, at Kingston, Middlesex, and in 1901 was living in Rushmere, 12 Southside, Wimbledon Common with his new wife Gertrude, their two small daughters and 6 servants including a coachman. The coachman and his family lived at the stables belonging to the property.
Gertrude Grace SCOTT born c. 1869 in Mill Hill, London, England, was the daughter of Charles SCOTT & Elizabeth H?
They had two daughters:
Enid Grace Scott Ferrier, born c. 1899 in Wimbledon, London, England.
Ruth Euphemia Meldrum Ferrier, born c. 1900 in Wimbledon, London, England.
Ruth was named for John’s aunt Euphemia, sister of his mother Elizabeth Meldrum. John was obviously very fond of his aunt, her gravestone reads
“Erected by John Ferrier, Merchant London in loving and grateful memory of his aunts, Euphemia Meldrum, who died 23 November 1867 aged 73 years and Isabella Meldrum who died 13th July 1865 aged 64 years”
regards,
Lindsay
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I keep exceeding the allowed characters .. sorry for the split posts ..
Child #2: Ferrier Thomas Meldrum pn[4247] Sex M (-1842-1881-)
Birth: Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Christening: 1842/MAR/17 Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Marriage: 1870/2q Manchester,,England, Reference=8d 461
Census: 1871/APR/2 Age:29 Stretford,Lancashire,England, Condition=M, Address=4 Station Villas, Occupation=Linen Merchant, Age=29, Birthplace=Scotland
Census: 1881/APR/3 Age:36 Forgan,Fife,Scotland, Condition=M, Address=Tayview House, Address=Tayview House, Occupation=West India Merchant, Occupation=West India Merchant, Role=Head, Age=36, Status=M, Birthplace=Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Thomas Meldrum FERRIER Born on 17 Mar 1842 in Dundee, Angus, died 11th March 1897. His death certificate as registered by his brother, John, shows his occupation to have been Linen Merchant. He died of Acute Bronchitis after 5 days at Montpelier, Dundee.
Thomas was married to Elizabeth Frances McGuire (Bessie) born c. 1848 in Manchester, Lancashire, England in Apr/May/Jun of 1870 according to FreeBMD in Manchester.
They are shown on the 1871 census as living in Stretford, Lancashire. Thomas (29), a Linen Merchant, Elizabeth (23), his wife and their newborn son, Charles aged 1 month, born in Stretford. Also in the household is nurse, Martha Henwood and servant, Mary Hughes. Elizabeth’s 19 year old sister, Emma McGuire born in Patricroft, Lancashire was living with them too.
In 1881, he resided in Tayview House, Forgan, Fife, his occupation was West India Merchant with Bessie and their 3 children,
Gibson Ferrier born c. 1871 in England.
Mildred Ferrier born 1873 in Barton Upon Irwell, Lancashire, England.
Florence Ferrier born c. 1876 in England.
Thomas was not mentioned in the 1884 will of his mother who died in 1886. She left everything to her son John and daughter Eliza.
I have not been able to find any record of the birth of Charles (aged 1 month in 1871) so it may be that Charles was actually Gibson as shown above on the 1881 census. However, I cannot find a birth record for Gibson either …. This theory seems to be confirmed by the 27th November, 1902 at St. Enoch’s Church, Dundee marriage of Gibson Charles Ferrier (31), son of Thomas Meldrum Ferrier (Jute Merchant, deceased) and Elizabeth Frances Walker, previously Ferrier, m/s McGuire to Edith Watson, 26 year old daughter of Robert Lowson Watson (Wine Merchant, deceased) and Jane Ann xxx? Watson, m/s Soutar.
Gibson Charles, a Jute Merchant and bachelor lived at 2, Douglas Terrace, West Ferry and Edith, spinster, lived at 5, Clarendon Terrace, Dundee.
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Child #4: Ferrier Eliza Pierce pn[4859] Sex F (-1846-1873-), Alternative Name=Eliza Pirie, Alternative Name=ELIZA LIVIE
Christening: 1846/JUL/29 Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Birth: 1846/JUL/29 Dun,Angus,Scotland
Miscellaneous event: 1867/NOV/5 Dundee,Angus,Scotland, Role=Wife, Event Type=marriage
Eliza Pirie FERRIER. Born on 29 Jul 1846 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland, Eliza Pirie died in Newburgh, Fife, Scotland on 27 Nov 1923, aged 77. In 1881, she resided in High Street, Newburgh, Fife.
OPR record on GROS shows Eliza Pierce - should be Eliza Pirie. She died at 12 noon at Abbey Lodge, Newburgh, Fife of Cerebral Haemorrhage. Death registered by her son, Gibson Wilson of 169, Queen's Gate, London.
In 1851, Eliza Ferrier, aged 4 was living in Ferry-Port-on-Craig with her aunts, Euphemia and Isabella Meldrum, sisters to her mother, Elizabeth Meldrum Ferrier. Euphemia’s will shows that Isabella had a natural daughter, also called Elizabeth, no surname given and as yet unfound. Although Eliza Pirie Ferrier’s death certificate shows her to have been the daughter of Gibson Ferrier and Elizabeth Meldrum, I have wondered if perhaps she was actually Isabella’s daughter, adopted by her Aunt Elizabeth and Gibson but this is just speculation.
Eliza Pirie Ferrier married Thomas WILSON, born c.1835 in Newburgh, Fife, Scotland.
They had the following children:
Gibson Wilson Born c.1872 in Newburgh, Fife, Scotland.
Eliza Wilson Born c.1873 in Newburgh, Fife. In 1891, Eliza lived in London with her uncle, John Ferrier.
Thomas Wilson. Born c. 1874 in Newburgh, Fife.
Ernest Wilson Born c. 1878 in Newburgh, Fife.
I would be very interested if anyone can decipher what is written next to the 'tick' by Eliza's name on the 1861 census - attached.
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Re. post #13 - hi other Lindsay - this might get confussing ;D I haven't seen the bit about Ferriers on Scotland General - do you have a link?
Re. post #23 - Hi Martin - yep that is my family. Ann Ferrier is my g/g grandmother.
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Gill
I have so far extracted the following:
A) Alexanders born between 1751 and 1766
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allan
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hi lindsay my gg gran is also ann ferrier. My mum comes fromt he clark side of the family! What about you?
Kind regards
Tracey
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I am not sure if I am in the right spot, but I am looking for family..I am descended through the Ferrier family, they went to the Us in the early, mid 1700's. I have Andrew who was born in either Scotland, or US , he married Jean Marlin, daughter of William and Elizabeth (who possibly was a Ferrier) born in Scotland. The father of Andrew might be Samuel, from Scotland and his Grandfather might have been John Ferrier, possibly from Ireland.
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Hi,
I have a William Ferrier b. 25/7/1794 in Kinnell, Forfar whose father was also William which might fit in with your william b 1760s. The father was listed as a dyker - later descendants were stonemasons - and his wife was Catherine Bowen. Alexander is also one of the names which appears with regularity in the descendants.
Any possibility of a link?
Hello, am new to this..I have a gggg grandfather called William Ferrier born 1804 Forfar Scotland, married to elspeth gibb 1823, their son was Alexander carey ferrier b.1833 married to Elizabeth Dear, as far as i know they had two children, my gg grandmother Mary Jane Ferrier b.1861 at old red castle, lunan bay, and Alexander Cairey Ferrier. Mary Jane married James flemming in 1891. That's as far as I can go, would lve to hear from anyone who can tell me more. Am intrigued by old red castle birth as I have been there and it has been in ruins for a long time.. wondered if it was actually somewhere else.
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Hi Mogs
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Not sure if have used IGI (International Genealogical Index) on www.familysearch.org. It's free to use.
If you do what is called a 'parent search', you will see up to 10 children showing for William Ferrier and Elspeth Gibb, including Alexander's details:
ALEXANDER FERRIER Birth: 22 SEP 1833 Kirkden, Angus
To do a parent search, once you are on the IGI screen, simply put in the father and mother's full names on the r/h side. The British Isle/Scotland and then press search.
Try doing the same thing for Alexander and Elizabeth Dear and you will see they show at least 8 children (maybe more as IGI stops around 1874).
Not sure how much you have already. Have you looked for the families in the censuses etc.?
Monica :)
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This looks to be William and Elspet in 1851 - everyone showing as born in Kirkden, Forfarshire except for Elspeth:
Wm Ferrier 46, mason
Elspet Ferrier 49, b. St Vigeans, Forfarsh
Alexr Ferrier 17, mason
James Ferrier 15, appr mason
Isabella Ferrier 13
Agnes Ferrier 7
Wm Stewart 2
Address: Sea Cottage, Inverkeilor
Monica
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And one for Alexander and Elizabeth for 1881:
Alex Ferrier 47, mason, b. Friockheim, Forfarshire
Betsy Ferrier 45, b. Mearns Renfrew, St. Cyries
Henry Ferrier 18, mason, b. Friockheim, Forfarshire
Elspeth Ferrier 14, b. St Andrews, Fifeshire
Elizabeth Ferrier 12, b. Kilconquhar, Fifeshire
James Ferrier 10, b. Kilconquhar, Fifeshire
Isabella Ferrier 7, b. Kilconquhar, Fifeshire
Robert Nicoll 24, lodger, grocer b. Kilconquhar, Fifeshire
James Nicoll 20, lodger, grocer b. Kilconquhar, Fifeshire
Address: 5 Tillie Street, Kelvin, Glasgow Barony
Monica
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Hi Mogs,
Elizabeth Dear is my gg grandmother and have LOTS of info!
Mary Jane oldest of about 9 or 10 (don't have details to hand) and Alexander Carey is my g grandfather. Have fairly comprehensive details on Mary Jane's branch too as met up with one of her grand-children a few years ago.
Re: Old Red Castle - think they were living at Cotton of Red Castle in one birth certificate. Found location on map but has long since been ploughed over. They family moved about a bit and this would be because they moved to where the work was. Alexander & Betsy came to Glasgow via Fife - Kilconquhar and St Andrew's.
:)
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Hi grey seagull,
thanks for your prompt reply, wow.. am amazed..so we are kind of related! I have Mary Jane's birth certificate dated 1861, Also have photos of her so when I figure out how to put them on here will do so. Her daughter was called Margaret Isabel Flemming and is my g gran, who I remember clearly as a child. You are right they did end up in Glasgow, Margaret in Clydebank , but when her daughter my gran moved to England so did she. Ironically they moved back to Forfar where their family were from as my gran bought Lunan House which over looks old red castle ..how strange...spent many happy childhood holidays there. Which grandchild of Mary's did you meet..will probably know of them. Mary Jane had 6 girls and 1 boy called James who was injured in the 1st world war and ended up in America, but later died. Would love to know more of your info..still trying to get to grips with all this am a pure novice.
mogs x
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Hi,
We are third cousins, once removed.
Lost the trail on your branch a bit when it went to England but picked it up again at Lunan. It's a lovely place. Incidentally, one of William's & Elspeth's daughters - Agnes? - died in Lunan hours after giving birth to her second child...
:)
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Hi Mog 1
Any idea where and when James went to the US? He had a cousin - James Ferrier, who also lived in Clydebank with his family - and they moved out to the US in 1913 to Detroit, Michigan. Just wondered if they were in the same place?
???
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I'll toss a hat in the ring.
Hector Young Ferrier (22 March 1869 - 11 June 1937), cattle dealer, lived latterly at The Anchorage, Friockheim, in the parish of Kirkden, married to Catherine Nicol Wemyss Drummond.
What was his connection with Ethie Haven?
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Thankyou for that Monica, that is really helpful, I have only just started doing this so don't have loads of info, but yours is really helpful.
mogs x
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Hi all I live in Australia and have a Margaret Ferrier born about 1767 Arbroath Scotland supposedly daughter of David Ferrier and Jean Lyell. This could be wrong. She married a Robertson, I think David. Their daughter Rose Ann or Rosannah Robertson was born 1801 in Carron Falkirk Scotland. I have a date of marriage for David Robertson and Margaret Ferrier 26 January 1795 Arbroath Angus Scotland. Does anyone know anything about this family?
Rosannah married John Gardiner in 1823 and came to Australia 1849 with their 8 children.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Hi All, I too have a Ferrier in my tree. My great great aunt Jessie Stott married Francis Ferrier in June 1893, Craigmills, Panbride. They had an illegitimate son William born September 1892 but died at 3 months. Jessie died in 1922. I've not done much research beyond this on this branch as I was concentrating on my great-granfather. Does this mean anything to anyone?
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Hello Martin Ferrier. My name is Mary-Ellen Ferrier, please get in touch with me
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HI to all the Ferriers on this website.
Wow! I am really impressed.
I have recently been introduced to the Ferrier family via one of my step-daughters whose natural father is James Richard F. (b. Geelong, Victoria, Aus. 1941).
Her GF: William John F. (b Queenscliff, Victoria, Aus 1907).
GGF: William John F (b. Warrnambool, Victoria, Aus 1881).
GGGF: John Robert Ferrier (b. Warrnambool, Victoria, Aus 1858).
On making inquiries to the Warrnambool Maritime Museum, step daughter discovered that the elder Wm John Ferrier is to be honored next month (August 21) for his bravery in rescuing passengers from the shipwreck La Bella, 1905. He was presented with a bravery medal and a small purse of donations - also a congratulatory letter from the Governor-General and one from the Victorian Governor.
My step daughter, once her credentials were proven as one of the descendants, has been invited to attend this celebration which will involve a new light show about the shipwreck and rescue.
She is now fired with enthusiasm and wanting to know more about her ancestors and I found on IGI a listing for John Ferrier as the father of John Robert Ferrier.
Here is where the conflict comes in. IGI lists John Ferrier as born 1830 in Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland yet another member of the family has his birthplace as being Arbroath, Angus, Scotland.
I cannot link up with either of these births. Will post more later but would appreciate some help or guidance.
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MY FERRIER ;D
Found this topic - so just putting this 'out there' - never know when a connection might be spotted by someone!
Fife OPR - born 12 October 1830, Agnes FERRIER, natural daughter of John FERRIER, Wright, Boarhills and of Agnes TURPIE daughter of the late John TURPIE Wright in Kingsbarns baptized.
This baptism indicates, Agnes FERRIER was illigitimately born? but she is baptised as FERRIER, is FERRIER in the Census 1841 & 1851, at her marriage 1857, in mms for births of her children and ms at her death in 1916. She was also sometimes named as "Nancy", a pet form of Agnes. Her father is named as John FERRIER on both her marriage & death records. Her mother Agnes TURPIE is stated age 40 in the 1841 Census but she could be as old as abt 44 (I haven't found her in 1851 nor her death anytime after 1841 (She is not the Agnes TURPIE living in Croft Dyke, Ceres in 1851 and 1861 who was Agnes nee SMITH/SMYTH b abt 1806, who died 1869, widow of TURPIE).
So - not sure who John FERRIER, my 3x Gt GF is.
Can find no trace of a John FERRIER in the 1841 Census for Boarhills Village or surrounds. But in the Boarhills census of 1841 and 1851, there is a David FERRIER, Shoemaker who was born 1784 St Andrews Fife to John FERRIER and Christian YOUNG. Possibly (probably) my John is related to this David. A son, brother, even a father etc. (I have no pre-conception of John's age based on his 'baby-mother'' Agnes TURPIE's age - he may have been a lot older or a lot younger than her).
The IGI has no sibling of David named as "John" (there is only one sibling recorded on IGI, a sister). However, David and his wife Barbara LESLIE did have a son named John - born 1812 in Boarhills. And it appears he may have been a Carpenter ( my John was a "Wright"). This John is about 11 to 15 years younger than Agnes TURPIE and he would have been only about 18 in 1830 when Agnes' illigitimate daughter was born while Agnes herself was at the least abt 32 at the time, and possibly was abt 36. A large age gap, but not outside the realms of possibility .
John FERRIER, son b 1812 of David and Barbara maybe the following on the Census 1841/1851 - he is also in Angus up until the 1881 Census (I haven't as yet purchased his death cert to confirm his parentage):
CENSUS 1841: Balgownie - Essie & Nevay, Angus
Enumeration District: 1, Folio: 0 Page: 6
John FERRIER 28, Wright - N
Christian FERRIER, 27 - N
David FERRIER 4 - Y
Alexander FERRIER 2 - Y
Jean FERRIER 8 mnths, - Y
CENSUS 1851: North Street, Newtyle, Angus
Head: John FERRIER 38, Carpenter, b St Andrews Fife
Wife: Ann 44, b Clunie, Perthshire
Son: David 14, b Glamis, Forfar
Son: Alexander 12, b Glamis Forfar
Dau: Jane 10, b Glamis Forfar
Son: John 8, b Mergle??. Forfar
There was another FERRIER family associated with Boarhills - James Frederick FERRIER (1808-1864) , a Philosopher/Writer who later in life lived at "Westfield House" in Boarhills Fife from at least approx 1845 and died there. His father was John FERRIER of Edinburgh "writer to the signet" - who is probably the same John FERRIER who died at Arbroath, Angus in 16 April 1822 age 93, "long in his Majesty's Service" (The Edinburgh magazine and literary miscellany, Volume 89, 1822 page 696).
http://www.iep.utm.edu/ferrier/
I remain facinated by "Wright" and "Writer" ;D
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi. I am new to this, but researching my Ferrier ancestry. Four generations( 1820's) remain in Montgomery County, Pa. Is anyone aware of relations prior to that time from abroad that settles in PA. Any informations would be helpful. Thanks.
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To Jillruss, Hi, We are the Australian connections to Charles Bissett Ferrier. Even though the family was in Victoria, our branch moved to Perth in Western Australia. We have Charles Bissett Ferrier with his father, Alexander Ferrier and mother Jean Stewart whom were married in 1781. Jean's father was Thomas Stewart. Would love to hear from you. Cheers, Teresa and Jeannette
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Hi just caught this string. I am connected to Jillruss and we have exchanged info before, via her Charles Bissett Ferrier who appears to be the brother of my Alexander. Hi Jill hope you are geting further than I am.
I am trying to trace Alexander's daughter Mary Ferrier born 28th of Jan 1808 Perth and still living 1843 when her mother's will is proved then she disappears. In 1841 she is in Bridge Lane, Perth giving her age as 28 but it would be 33 if she was born 1808. Anyone heard of her, she may have married as she would have a bit of money as she appears to be the last of her siblings left alive and her mother had a few businesses and properties.
Another Ferrier I am seeking is Charles Ferrier born 22 Apr 1861 at 22 Dens Brae, Dundee to Theodosia Ferrier, no father on bc. On the 1871 census Charles and his also illigitimate brother James had taken the name Porter after their step-father who I do not believe could have been the real father. After Andrew Porter & Theodosia died in 1898 James reverted to Ferrier. But I cannot trace Charles under either Ferrier or Porter after 1871. Evelina
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I am also a related to the Ferriers, although as yet I haven't noticed any of my lot being mentioned! The furthest back I have reached is a John Ferrier and his wife Janet Anderson who married in 1796 in Eassie & Nevay (I have copy if useful to anyone). They had at least 2 children William Ferrier baptised/born 1811 in Eassie (who I believe married a Catherine and had John 1832, Janet 1835, Margaret 1837, Charles 1845 and Betsy 1846).
John and Janet had another son John born/baptised June 1806 (have copy) in Eassie. John went on to marry Janet Robertson in 1829 in Longforgan and they seem to have lived in Arbroath. They had 8 children that I know of:-
Jessie b1830, John b1833, Agnes b1834, James b1839, George b1841, William 1845, Jemima b1847 and Davina b1850. My ancestor was Jessie who seems to have been a bit busy as she had around 7 children, all of which seem to have been illegitimate although she did eventually marry a John Carnegie. Jessie's children were:-
David Stevenson (died as an infant), Georgina Cruickshanks (1852 - 1910), James Cruikshanks (1857 - 1866), David & Margaret Smart (1859 twins), Susan Ferrier (1862), and Jessie Gourlay Gibson Ferrier (1867).
Would love to hear from anyone if this fits into their tree and if I can help anybody else I am more than willing ;D
Sarah
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I think my part of the Ferrier tree links up with Sarah's. I am a direct descendant of Jessie Ferrier, through her daughter Margaret Smart who, when she married my great-grandfather, had gone back to calling herself Margaret Ferrier. Sadly, her twin brother (David Smart) died at about 5 months. Jessie successfully sued the father, David Smart, for child support. I have a transcript of the court order I can share.
I had hit a research roadblock with Jessie, so Sarah, your information adds significantly! I'd love to get more of the details and/or source materials. I just joined RootsChat and not sure how information exchange works. Thanks so much.
Peter
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Hi Peter , welcome to RootsChat :)
You can use the Personal Message(PM) system to exchange private information such as email addresses and info. about living persons.
See help page - http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
You'll need 2/3 posts to be able to use the PM system so just reply to this post and that should get you started.
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Thanks for your your help. I will review the post on private messaging. Cheers, Peter
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My secondary school was the Waid Academy, Anstruther, Fife, and before my time there was an English teacher there called William Ferrier, known as "Old Bill". I've checked on Scotlandspeople and he died in Anstruther in 1951, aged 67. He was born in Brechin and his parents were Walter McGill Ferrier, chemist & druggist in Brechin, and Ann Marr Cruickshank from Aberdeen (m.1872).
Looking at a history of my old school with reminiscences from former pupils, I find "Mr. W. Ferrier - Old Bill - was the most delightful and lovable teacher in the school, he was kind to everyone: he taught English and laughed a lot."
Somebody else describes him as a fine scholar of Oriental languages who could read the Bible in Persian. And I've heard a personal reminiscence from a former teacher of my parents' generation who said that Bill Ferrier was a keen draughts player at a time when it was a popular competitive sport.
Teaching in those days was such a respected profession that it often attracted very well-qualified and scholarly individuals - the kind of person who might not be too attracted to teaching nowadays.
Harry
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Here's another Ferrier for anyone who's interested.
Fishing-boats in East Fife often carried one or two "half-dealsmen" - men from another town who had no share in the boat and were paid a weekly wage - and when the Brothers of Anstruther went down with all hands in the North Sea in 1902, the crew included the half-dealsmen Charles Norrie and David Ferrier of Broughty Ferry, who were brothers-in-law. Charles Norrie was married to David Ferrier's sister Jessie Dorward Ferrier. They were the children of William Ferrier, pilot, and Mary Lorimer.
Harry
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Hi All,
Perhaps you can help me with my quest to find out where my Ferrier's originated from! My great great grandfather Peter Ferrier was born in 1838 in Blairgowrie, Perthshire. I have led to believe he was illegitimate, however on his marriage certificate in 1874 in Persie, Perthshire, both his parents are recorded and down as being married, two years later on his mother's death certificate she was recorded as being single even though Peter was registered as her informant and had a different surname from her. I have done quite abit on Peter and his mother (Euphemia Cameron), I found that Euphemia was born 1798 in Kirkmicheal, Perthshire, she and Peter were both living in Rattray in 1841 census.
All I can find about Peter's father, James Ferrier is that he was deceased in 1874 and his occupation was a Mason. I haven't managed to find any death certificate between 1855-1874 which suggests he died prior civil registration. There is no mention of a James Ferrier in any other the 1841/51/61 or 71 censuses for the county of Perth, perhaps he originated from Forfarshire as geographically is not far from Blairgowrie and Rattray.
Anyone got any clues or info?
Thanks
Darren
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Does anyone, anywhere know why this James Ferrier's middle name is Fotheringham?
Would love to know :)
Marriage: 1823/NOV/13 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Husband: Ferrier William pn[8016] Sex M (-1794-1861-), Alternative Name=WILLM
Wife: Gibb Elspeth pn[8015] Sex F (-1809-1851-), Alternative Name=ELSEPETH, Alternative
Child #6: Ferrier James Fotheringham pn[8014] Sex M (-1836-)
Christening: 1836/APR/10 Kirkden,Angus,Scotland
Census: 1851/MAR/30 Age:15 Inverkeillor,Angus,Scotland, Age=15
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I am a descendant of one of those rescued that night when the La Bella went down.
If not for Mr Ferrier....... I would not be here.
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Hi
I have a Ferrier on my tree. My great x 2 grandmother was Margaret Ferrier. I don't know much apart from she was married 6 Oct 1885 abroad to David West Leighton. She was probably born mid 1800s. I believe she is from the Forfar area. Any connections?
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After an amazing discovery of a marriage announcement of David West Leighton to Maggie (Margaret) Ferrier I have discovered a few more generations to the Ferriers (I'm so excited) and so will put them here in case there is further information.
Margaret Ferrier b. abt 1859 Dundee
father Michael Ferrier b. abt 1829 Brechin Mill Manager (I believe this is for Jute and has connections with Calcutta & Candahare)
g.father John Ferrier b. abt 1801 Angus
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Hi British Wiki
This looks like a possible entry for Margaret Ferrier's birth in 1858 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY5K-1RK
Monica :)
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GRO overseas birth indexes (these can be ordered from the GRO in the same way as English/Welsh birth certificates - a few different sites have the indexes):
1886-1890 indexes
all registered Zante (numbers are volume/page)
Johanna Fullerton Leighton 8/1217
Margaret Leighton, 8/1213
William Michael F Leighton, 8/1211
From Jorose's info early this year, name of daughter would fit will with Margaret's mother's name.
Monica
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These are Margaret's siblings' birth entries showing on Family Search:
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Aferrier~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Adundee~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Amichaei~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Ajohanna~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Afullerton~
Parents' marriage here: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTK9-Q9N
All of these registrations available to view on the pay to view site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Monica
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Just realised I hadn't responded. Thanks Monica. It's amazing what one little article can do. I have now found census and information for Michael Ferrier and his parents. Plus loads of newspaper articles about him. Seems he was quite prominent (though need time to ensure all the articles are relevant and the right Michael Ferrier. I'm so excited!
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Happy you are excited ;D That is what it is all about, to drive you on your research!
Monica
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Hi All,
Forgot to mention where my Ferrier's are from! Peter Ferrier was born in 1838 in Blairgowrie, Perthshire, however there is no baptism record for him. He appears in the 1841 census living with his mother in Rattray, sadly no mention of James. His mother appears as "Euphemia Cameron" rather than "Euphemia Ferrier" in 1841 census, she was born in 1798 in Kirkmichael, Perthshire. What seems strange Euphemia would of been 40 when Peter was born, which for that time was quite late on for a woman to be having children. As for James I haven't found him in 1841,51,61 or 71 censuses which makes me think he either died between 1838-1841, or he was living away from Scotland e.g. England.
Allan I will PM you my email and send you an attachment of my research.
Happy hunting everybody!
Darren
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Bumping this now ancient thread.
I am also a descendent of the Ferriers.
My 6x Great Grandparents were John Ferrier and Christian Young, who were married in 1777 at Kingsbarns in Fife. They had two children that I am aware of:
1. Janet Ferrier (Born 1779 Kingsbarns, St Andrews and St Leonards Parish, Fife. Died between 1851-1857, probably in Dundee. Married Thomas Buist in 1800.)
2. David Ferrier. (Born 1784 St Andrews and St Leonards Parish, Fife. Died 1863 Boarhills, St Andrews, Fife. Married Barbara Leslie in 1810)
If anyone is connected to these people then please get in touch.
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Hi CaileanMac
My original posting to this thread is on page 7
« Reply #55 on: 28 July 2010, 02:34:12 »
I wrote about my 2xGt Grandmother Agnes 'Nancy' FERRIER - she has a connection to the Boarhills FERRIER - and I do suspect David FERRIER & Barbara LESLIE are her paternal grandparents, but I can't prove it. She was illegitimate:
Her baptism 1830 in Kingsbarns:
12 October 1830, Agnes FERRIER, natural daughter of John FERRIER, Wright, Boarhills and of Agnes TURPIE daughter of the late John TURPIE Wright in Kingsbarns baptized..
Her marriage 1857 in Kingsbarns (to Alexander LATTO), makes it clear her parents were not married, as their marital status' were noted:
Agnes FERRIER 26, Spinster, House Servant, of Kingsbarns in the Parish of Kingsbarns
Parents: John FERRIER, Bachelor, Wright and Nancy TURPIE, Spinster
Agnes 'Nancy TURPIE' was born 1796 - she was shown as age 40 in 1841 Census and age 57 in the 1851 Census, and age 60 at death in 1857.
David FERRIER shoemaker of Boarhills and his wife and Barbara LESLIE had a son John b 1812 Boarhills, baptised in St Andrews. This makes him a bit younger that my Agnes TURPIE but I still think he could be the father of Agnes' daughter, Agnes FERRIER? A bit of a fling between a younger man and an older woman perhaps... and for whatever reason, it never became a marriage.
I think John FERRIER b 1812 is in Forfar in 1841 & 1851 with a wife and children - but have never gone ahead & proved it is him, or followed him further than that.
Or perhaps you know of another John FERRIER of Boarhills, who could be the father?
Do you know what became of David & Barbara's son John?
Cheers
AMBLY
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I haven't looked too deeply into this part of the tree as it is a bit of a branch, but I don't see him on the 1871 or 1881 census. Possible he moved overseas? I'm not sure.
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2. David Ferrier. (Born 1784 St Andrews and St Leonards Parish, Fife. Died 1863 Boarhills, St Andrews, Fife. Married Barbara Leslie in 1810)
If anyone is connected to these people then please get in touch.
Further to my reply to the above, I have gone on and done a bit of research....still haven't proved I'm a descendant of David & Barbara through their son John - but I have learnt more about John, who if not belonging on my tree, at least does belong on yours ;D
Overview:
He married 3 times to:
Christian BRUCE in 1835 (in Inchture, Perthshire) and had 2 sons and 1 daughter.
Ann FERGUSON in 1844 (in Meigle, Perthshire) and had 1 son* (b abt 1843)
Margaret DUNCAN in 1883 (in St Clement, Dundee) and had 2 daughters.
He died 1890:
St Clement, Burgh of Dundee, Forfarshire
John FERRIER , Joiner (Journeyman), 76 years
Died: 28th January 1890 at 4h, 10m, PM, 8 Mortimer Street, Dundee
Married1: Christian BRUCE
Married2: Ann FERGUSON
Married3: Margaret DUNCAN
Father: David FERRIER, Shoemaker (deceased)
Mother: Barbara FERRIER, m.s. LESLIE (deceased)
CoD: Senile Decay, Chronic Bronchitis 1 month,
Informant: Margaret FERRIER, widow, present.
Wife 1, was about his own age.
Wife 2, was a bit older (Census wobbles). I think* the son born abt 43 is hers.
Wife 3, was around 40 years his junior. She was first married to a Robert PALMER and had 3 PALMER children also.
He is in the Census:
1841, Eassie & Nevay, Angus with wife1 and their 3 children, David, Alexander & Jean.
1851, Newtyle Angus with wife2, their son John and his same 3 older children
1861, Meigle, Perthshire with wife2, their son John and his older son Alexander
1871, Mains, Angus, with wife2
1881, St Clement, Dundee, Angus, by himself and with a servant, Margaret DUNCAN age 28. She was about to give birth to their daughter Joan (registered as FERRIER), and didn't marry until 1883, before daughter Agnes was born. Her three older PALMER children are with her own mother.
1891: Widowed wife3 is in Angus with her three PALMER children and her 2 FERRIER children.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Just Bumping this back up ......to say:
I'm now happy that John FERRIER (1812-1890), the son of David FERRIER (by wife Barbara LESLIE) of Boarhills Fife, who was the son of John FERRIER and Christian YOUNG, is the natural father of my illegitimately born Agnes FERRIER (1830-1916).
I have a DNA match to a descendant of one of John's siblings, his brother David FERRIER. The Match is a 5th Cousin to me - 12 cM across 2 segments in the 5th-8th range of Ancestry.com's test results (Distant Cousin Range).
Cheers,
AMBLY
Wahoo! 2 more Generations of Gt-Grandparents now added to my tree ;D
* David Ferrier & Barbara Leslie - 4x Gt Grandparents
* John Ferrier & Christian Young - 5 x Gt Gtandparents
* (Probably) Francis Leslie & Margaret Doig - 5 x Grandparents
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My maiden name is Ferrier and been doing some research on my ancestors.
I’ve got two branches of Ferriers.
Father John Sutherland Ferrier born Kirkden 1918 - 1980 died in Arbroath m Christina Mitchell
Grandfather John Sutherland Ferrier born Kirkden 1886 - 1964 died Arbroath m Betsy Park
G Gfather Alexander Ferrier born Kirkden 1852 - 1932 died Montrose m Martha Sutherland
GG Gfather Andrew Ferrier born Farnell? 1818 - 1885 died Arbroath m Margaret Donaldson
?Farnell census records give Farnell as possible birthplace but can’t find a birth certificate.
Geneanet gives the possibility of James Ferrier born Craig 1789 and Mary Fraser being his parents but I can’t validate this.
Back to GG Grandmother Martha Sutherland
Her father
My GG Gfather John Lowe Sutherland m Maria Ferrier born Brechin 1821- 1877 died Marykirk
I can’t get much info about Maria - no sign of a birth certificate
There’s a possibility that William Ferrier born Balownie 1776- 1852 m Elizabeth Stot are her parents but I can’t validate this.
I think there was a fire at Brechin at one point and I wonder if that’s the reason there are no birth certificates for Maria and Andrew.
Don’t know if any of my Ferriers are linked to anyone else.
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Birth certificates did not exist until the start of civil registration in 1855.
Before that, the only records are the churches' records of baptisms, which sometimes but not always give the date of birth as well. However there are many gaps in the parish registers.
I think there was a fire at Brechin at one point and I wonder if that’s the reason there are no birth certificates for .... Andrew.
Highly unlikely, because the Farnell church records would have been in either Farnell or (after 1855) in Edinburgh and would not have been affected by a fire in Brechin.
As for Brechin itself, https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//research/list-of-oprs/detailed-list-of-old-parochial-registers-of-scotland.pdf confirms that the relevant parish register survives.
There are many reasons why a baptism record may not have survived, including
- the parents may have neglected to have the child baptised or to ensure that the baptism was recorded
- the parish clerk may have forgotten to record it
- the parents may have belonged to a different religious denomination; there was, for instance, an Episcopalian congregation in Brechin whose records are not on the Scotland's People web site
Scottish death certificates normally state the full names of both parents of the deceased.
Have you seen the death certificates of Andrew Ferrier and Maria Ferrier? If not, that is your next step. If so, what do they say?
Andrew Ferrier, aged 64, died in Arbroath in 1885, mother's maiden surname Fraser.
Maria Sutherland, aged 56, died in Marykirk in 1877, no mother's maiden surname indexed.
Both available to view at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
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Thanks for the information.
I’ll have a look on the site later.
Apologies I was aware of civil registration stating in 1855 I now realise I should be saying birth records rather than certificate.
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Re. post #13 - hi other Lindsay - this might get confussing ;D I haven't seen the bit about Ferriers on Scotland General - do you have a link?
Re. post #23 - Hi Martin - yep that is my family. Ann Ferrier is my g/g grandmother.
New to this sorry. I see your grandmother is Ann Ferrier. Do you have any information on her maybe having a sister Mary Stewart Ferrier, later Fullerton. Parents David ferrier and Ann soutar. I am looking for information on my great grandmother Mary Stewart Smith.
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www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk is the place to go.
Mary Stewart Ferrier, mother's maiden surname Souttar, was born in Dun in 1889.
Mary Stewart Ferrier married John Fullerton in Brechin in 1921.
Mary Stewart Ferrier, other surname Fullarton, died in Forfar in 1976, mother's maiden surname Souttar.
Go to the web site, invest in a few credits and use some of them to view the marriage certificate. It will tell you the names of the couple's parents including their mothers' maiden surnames. You can also view the birth certifictae but not the death online because it's less than 50 years ago.
There are 13 births of Ferrier children with mother's maiden name Sout(t)a/er. One is in 1871, which is too early, but see screenshot for the rest.
You can also view the original 1901, 1911 and 1921 census records of this/these famil/ies at Scotland's People.