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There are 4 Quayle (Quaile) headstones listed in Downpatrick Cathedral Graveyard. Who can a person contact to find out if they are related or even next to each other?
I'm looking for more information on Daniel Quayle who was buried there in 1860. The stone wa erected by his son Francis. I'm trying to work my way backwards. Daniel was a nail maker and married to Ellen (last name unknown).
Son Francis was born in 1828. If anyone can do lookups on his brith or Daniel and Ellen's marriage pleas let me know. I assume they attended Downpatrick Cathedral.
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Hello Susan,
21st September 1811
William Quayle from Downpatrick emigrated for New York sailing on the
ship "Maria Duplex" The ship sailed from Belfast http://freespace.virgin.net/alan.tupman/sites/irp8.htm
6th May 1911 - Downpatrick
Mr Quayle, Co. Down attended the Sinn Fein Teacher's Association meeting
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Q.htm
8th August 2003
Tributes from the Church of Ireland Gazette to Godfrey Quayle.
www.gazette.ireland.anglican.org/080803/tributes080803.htm
I feel it is safe to say that Daniel, Ellen and their family attended services at Down Cathedral in the 1800s
There are several messages about Quail. Quaile from Downpatrick and the surrounding area on this Genforum site:- http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?forum=quail&url=%2Fquail%2F&path=%2Fquail%2F&terms=Downpatrick&boolean=AND
R. J. S. Clarke wrote a series of books.."Gravestone Inscriptions" Some of the volumes cover Co. Cown but I am not sure if the graveyard at Down Cathedral is mentioned.
Best Wishes, Christopher
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Hi Christopher,
Thank you for the info...one might assume they'd be brothers...especially since Francis named his oldest son William.
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Hi Susan,
The Gravestones Inscriptions series which covers Down cathedral is number 7.
Here are the entries for Quail/Quayle:
Quail
Here lyeth the body of John Quail late of Downpatrick who departed this life .... April 1785 aged 76 (or 70- unclear) years.
Quayle
I.H.S. Sacred to the memory of Daniel Quayle and his beloved wife Ellen who departed this life in 1860.
Erected by their son Francis. F. Quayle, Brooklyn, New York, USA.
regards,
Briege
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I am a Quaile and it seems that we were in the Downpatrick area after comming from Magheraleggen, I think in Derry. We are short of some information but Edward Quaile was baptized in Downpatrick on 26th June 1777. His aunt Ann, unmarried, died at Downpatrick in 1803.
Edward had two brothers, Robert Orr Quaile and Vere Essex Quaile, who were both in the 17th Lancers. Their sister Sophia was baptised in Downpatrick on 6th June 1785.
Apart from Edward nobody seems to have had any family. Sometime after 1804 Edward and his family seem to have moved to Southwest Scotland. Edward's youngest son James was born in Annan, Dumfriesshire in about 1809 and has descendents in New Zealand.
We have some information going back to about 1700 - research continues!!
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Another entry in the Gravestone inscriptions book for Quail - In loving memory of James Quail, Clogher, Downpatrick, who died 27th August 1888 aged 60 years. His wife Mary Robb Quail died 28th November 1909 aged 86 years. Elizabeth Eleanor Jane, only daughter, died in infancy in 1865, James, second son died 17th February 1923. Henry Robert, fifth son, died 20th July 1929, Mary wife of James Quail died 26th February 1939.
There follows some details about letters of administration, which I could post if you wanted.
There are also Quail/ Quaile entries in the Downpatrick non-subscribing presbyterian graveyard and in Saul graveyard.
Mary
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You are in luck I hope with the manuscript family trees for QUAIL in volume 16p126, vol 16p150, vol 24p88 Downpatrick and QUAILE in vol 24p22 Magheralaggan. These are in the Blackwood Family history manuscript trees in the Linen Hall library, Belfast. I suggest you ask them for photocopying estimates as your knowledge is relevant and be prepared to pay the extra for post and packing. However if the material is really good when you get it, I suggest a generous donation to this unique library that is always needing extra funds. Linen Hall Library,17 Donegall Square North, Belfast BT15GB, Northern Ireland, Telephone: +44 (0)28 9032 1707, Fax: +44 (0)28 9043 8586, Email:info[at]linenhall.com.
Good old Reggie Blackwood, you are not forgotten
Good Luck, Jim
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Name likely to derive from "doing honour to" Vere Essex CROMWELL, 4th Earl of Ardglas.
It got bandied about a bit:
e.g. Vere Essex LONERGAN, Vicar of Saintfield.
So, perhaps referring to him (as godfather?).
BLACKWOODs controlled Killyleagh, and eventually took over the HAMILTON's "Clandeboye" title through Dorcas STEVENSON.
[Daughter of Anne PRICE, aunt of Dorcas PRICE who married John WHITTLE of Lisburn on 01-MAY-1735!]
Linenhall Library a great place with great staff - very quiet and safe ... wouldn't know if anything was amiss within even 1/2 mile of you ...
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Thanks folks
At the moment our family tree starts:
A. N. Other Quaile married A. N. Other Lonegan sister of Rev. Vere Essex Lonegran (1677-1755)
Edward Quaile , their elder son (died 1758) was a millowner at Magheraleggan and was agent for Price of Holymount. Edward married Elizabeth Johnson, sister of the Bishop of Cloyne.
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Ros Davies Co Down website ie freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies
is very useful for this discussion eg Magheralagan Magheraleggin [townlands in civil parish of] Down . NW of Downpatrick ; click here to see its location on a townland map; means '.... originally belonged to the Bishop of Down;....lake & mill in 1836; owned by heirs of Lord de Clifford & Francis Savage Esq.in 1836; there were 45 houses; 29 families employed in agriculture & 13 in trade; 134 males & 114 females; 4 manufacturers & 5 servants; I have indexed some of the Griifths Valuations from this townland in Surname Index LR 2005 p22; TCC p 33; V17 p 38, 49, 53, 55 OSM; GV
Magheralagan Lough Down 21: 44/44 lake ;4km WSW of Downpatrick; click here for a photo
I didnt searched Ros Davies for your surname etc. Sounds like you already have much information, good luck Jim.
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Susan,
Excellent!
Glad I didn't mess up your thread.
[I'd just made a breakthrough yesterday, connecting all the elements of a record in my research diary dating from 1991, and just had to let off steam somehow!]
The VERE surname comes from the powerful Earls of Oxford.
[Traceable back to Hastings.]
The ESSEX name derives from Thomas CROMWELL, 1st Earl of Essex, who was Henry VIII's Chief Minister.
[He did OK guiding Henry along his path of the split from Rome, but then made the mistake of hastily arranging the marriage with the "Flanders Mare". His head was chopped off, then boiled and displayed ... ugh!]
The PRICE family were big cheeses, High Sheriffs of Down, originally at Farranfad before taking over Hollymount (apparently from the SAVAGEs).
[The SAVAGEs were even bigger cheeses, Norman knights who came over with De COURCY in the 12thC.]
Major-General Nicholas PRICE bought Saintfield in 1709 and developed its industry.
His son, also NP, was MP for Lisburn, as was his son Francis PRICE (issue of Mary SEYMOUR-CONWAY). NP's daughter Anne married James STEVENSON, MP for Killyleagh.
etc.
I notice that the water flowing from the hills through Downpatrick is called The Quoile River in its lower reaches ....
John
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N. Price Esq.was the Lord of the Manor at Saintfield in 1837. The seat of the Lord of the Manor ( the Price family) is situated in a beautiful demesne, about a mile north of the town.
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Much more on the Price families in volumes 22p33T, 23p33 35 (OR volumes 33, 35,) and a gem in Volume 76 Typed 1936 and the PRICE-WILLIAMS in vol 52 again in Blackwood collection, Linen Hall library, Belfast
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They were a pretty impressive looking bunch of guys. Paintings of them hung in the family home on the estate and they all looked down on us whenever we went there to play bridge with some members of the Perceval-Price family. There's an article about 'Col. M.C. Perceval-Price B.A., DL, JP 1907 - 2002' in the magazine Saintfield Heritage, No. 6, 2002. (Saintfield Heritage Society)
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Dear all
Apparently my Great Grandfather is buried in Downpatrick cemetery. His name was Anthony Alvez, or Antonio Alvez, depending on who I speak to.
Does anyone know how I can find out whether his grave is there? I live in England, so it is a bit tricky to get there until next summer.
He was an evacuee in the 1940s from Gibraltar.
Can anyone help? Does anyone know where I start looking?
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Thanks folks
At the moment our family tree starts:
A. N. Other Quaile married A. N. Other Lonegan sister of Rev. Vere Essex Lonegran (1677-1755)
Edward Quaile , their elder son (died 1758) was a millowner at Magheraleggan and was agent for Price of Holymount. Edward married Elizabeth Johnson, sister of the Bishop of Cloyne.
Hello there, I'm a Quaile and can give you the family of Elizabeth Johnson. Sadly I've misplaced the family tree but it is full of Vere's and Cromwell's ( and thats just the girls). Best Wishes
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I have an Ann Quail who married William McIlheron 1 dec 1848 Saul and Ballee but they were Catholic and emigrated to Cumberland in England (after 1866 as all 8 children were born in Down) to find work so all these Quails sound too grand for them. I thought her father could have been James as that is the name of the second son. From her age on censuses she seems to have been born about 1832, claytonbradley
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the Quaile's with an e were Anglican hense Edward's marriage to the Bishops sister. A few generations back Sir William Quaile was the Lord Mayor of Dublin and his only child Lady Somerville was the wife of another Lord Mayor.
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Hi, I have found details for Vere Essex Quaile, apothecary and Robert Orr Quaile, clerk as members of a Masonic Lodge and Chapter meeting in the 17th Light Dragoons at Kaira (Kheda) India c.1808 - 1825. Contact me via the Library and Museum of Freemasonry, London to find out more.