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Looking back through the family trees, an important mark is the case concerning our great grandmothers from our four trees
Each of the four had their own journey, and in many cases we were only a small part of their individual history and kegacy.
In memory of my foir great-grandmothers:
Although I do not share the same surname as my
great grandmothers named BAKER, LEWIS, MCGEE and SMITH,
I recognize my small part in the family history of these names.
Looking back it is an interesting journey tracing their parents and sibling through the pages of time. They and their siblings have travelled far and wide From places in Kent, London, Dorset,
Canada, Australia and elsewhere.
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Three out of four.... my Father was illegitimate and no way of knowing who his father was so three it will stay ;)
Steph.
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Three out of four.... my Father was illegitimate and no way of knowing who his father was so three it will stay ;)
Steph.
Re the BEER name in Kent, any connection to one James BEER & Louise ZELLEY. Louise was from Tiverton, Devon.
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Hi Zelley - my Beers are from Whitstable I'm afraid, have not found any from Devon as yet but you never know.... I'll keep you in mind if I find any.
Steph.
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I wonder if anyone can beat Gadget by having 3 out of the 4 with the same surname?
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Hi Zelley - my Beers are from Whitstable I'm afraid, have not found any from Devon as yet but you never know.... I'll keep you in mind if I find any.
Steph.
Your quote - "And more (there are always more)"
hits the nail on the head.
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When my grand-daughter was born she had 4 Gt.Grandmas and 1 Gt.Grandpa still alive. Three of the Gt.Grandmas died at 92, 96 and 101 respectively. The other two died in their 80's.
Of course they all came from good British stock !
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I have found 3 great grand mothers - Fairbairn, Evans, and McCallum.
And of course the matching 3 great grandfathers - Thompson, Burrow and Stephens
My mother appears to have been illegitimate and her fathers name is not on her original BC. :(
Burrow Digger
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All but one of my Great Grandparents were born in the 1890s so they haven't been difficult to trace. It's weird though, when I look at parts of my family tree that my grandad's elder brother could have had a GG Grandmother if she'd lived to 83.
My Great Grandmothers lived to the ripe old ages of 84, 88, 88 and 92
Andrew
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I wonder if anyone can beat Gadget by having 3 out of the 4 with the same surname?
I've got masses of Jones lines - I think 10 or 11 ??? Would anyone like them - free to a good home ;)
Gadget
My closest Jones connection is a third cousin, but my spose has scores of Jones connections past & present in the region of Wrexham, North Wales. Gosh there is even a Jones marrying a Jones (from different branches).
One of my great grandmothers is a London born Smith,
Well, when it comes to a London Smith, I'm lost at the starting gate, add Lewis from London and my head is spinning. Then
add the Phillips of Warwickshire branches and it's time to go back to the starting gate for another run at picking up the overlooked leaves waiting to be found somewhere along
the "genealogy highway" not very far from the mighty
"forest of family trees".
So, let's talk about the great great grandmother's and their siblings' branches.
A few names for me to ponder would be Bellamy of Wyke Regis,
Lovell of East Fleet, and Susannah Vallens aka Valence or Vallance of Wyke Reis - Weymouth, and others in different locations.
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3 of my 4 grandparents were Williams, but as far as great grandmothers go, I've got: Jones, Davies Williams and Wynne.
Going back another generation is interesting:
Molineux, Turnor, Rees, Williams, Williams, Jones, Jones, Jones.
Despite the names of the first 2, all born in Wales.
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Hi
Of my 4 grt grandmothers, 2 were illegitimate, however I bought one birth cert back and have been able to trace the maternal line of one of them and for the other I am pretty certain I am tracing the right line, although would need a birth cert for absolute proof. Another of my grt grandmothers was from Lithuania (as was her husband) so that line really is tricky, however I found a copy of her birth certificate, that my grandmother needed as proof of identity when she moved here so I have been able to go back 1 generation! As for my other grt grandmother, its been pretty easy to trace her maternal and paternal lines even though her name was Clark!
acceber
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My closest Jones connection is a third cousin, but my spouse has scores of Jones connections past & present in the region of Wrexham, North Wales. Gosh there is even a Jones marrying a Jones (from different branches).
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Some from that area too :o
Gadget
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3 of my 4 grandparents were Williams, but as far as great grandmothers go, I've got: Jones, Davies Williams and Wynne.
Going back another generation is interesting:
Molineux, Turnor, Rees, Williams, Williams, Jones, Jones, Jones.
Despite the names of the first 2, all born in Wales.
And that is a very neat flag with the red, white & green.
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Three out of four.... my Father was illegitimate and no way of knowing who his father was so three it will stay ;)
Steph.
Steph, I'm in the same boat as you ::)
My grandmother didn't know who her parents were. She was brought up by her 'grandparents' and her 'aunt' and there was no birth certificate (from what I can see anyway).
If and when I get to the bottom of this mystery there will be 4 but at the moment only 3 :'( Have only gone back that far on 1 family at the moment.
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I'd like to honour my four great-grandmothers: Elizabeth Patricia Cameron, born in Victoria, Australia; Caroline Martin, born in London, England; Camilla Denham, born in Somerset, England; Annie Eliza Hulle, born in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. All strong and courageous women. Camilla sailed the world with her master mariner husband in his sailing barque, although she hated the sea; Annie came of convict ancestors (on her mother's side) who had made good. Elizabeth and Caroline lived pioneering and tough lives in remote parts of Australia in the fairly early days of white settlement.
MarieC
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3 have been pretty easy, but the 4th arrgh, my grandfather was illigimate so only have her name or should that be names to go on, each reference there is to her she has a differant name, Elizabeth, Lillie, Lily, Lydia.
The names are Beer (of Devon stock), Blight, Garrow, Williams
Sharon
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Actually now I come to think of it, my Great Grandmothers lived interesting lives.
My Turvey Great Grandmother from what I understand came from a reasonably poor background and her husband from what I gather didnt have a very stable job. My Woodhead Great Grandmother's father was on a census at age 12 as a coal miner and died in his 40s before she married. My Shackleton Great Grandmother's father commited suicide. My Street Great Grandmother's mother's father died before her mother was born so her grandmother was a widow while she was pregnant. He died at 38 by heart disease - until then I had always assumed it was a disease older people got.
Andrew
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Was lucky with the great-grandmothers, I knew one of them personally and had enough memories from mums and nans for the others
Jessie May Pettit 1901-2001 - 100 years!
Edith Mildred Loveday
Evelyn Ivy Tunnage
Florence Lili Hitchings
I've found that whenever things get tough, I think about all the stuff that my ancestors had to go through - it always makes me feel better!
Caz
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Yes I better give them proper names:
Lydia (Lily, Lillie or Elizabeth) Williams : had my grand father in a workhouse when she was about 16. She smoked a clay pipe.
Annie (Elizabeth Ann) Beer : was a concert pianist (and Freddy's mum). She had three religions during her life.
Kate (Catherine) Garrow : born in Durham of Scottish parents, she was deaf, excitable and an alcoholic.
Priscilla Blight: Always regretted having to sell a sheep skin rug that she was given as a wedding present during the 1920s mining strikes to feed her children.
Sharon
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Shocking holy saints :o
Sharon
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My 4 had very contrasting lives:
Mary Ann Reeves: Known as Flo or Florrie. Born in Walworth, South London to a working-class family. Possible gypsy blood in there, proving very hard to trace. Worked for a printer before marriage, married a bricklayer, had 3 kids and was really rather plain according to the photos.
Mabel Gertrude Eldred: Born in Essex, daughter of the village blacksmith. Worked as a domestic cook before marriage to a seaman who later worked for Barclays Bank. Had one daughter 9 months after the wedding but was never able to have any more. Spent her last years in Kent being a doting grandmother to my father.
Winifred Moore: Born and raised in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, one of six daughters of an affluent family who enjoyed what was by all accounts an idyllic upbringing. Married a wealthy manufacturer, had 4 kids, was heartbroken when her eldest son (my grandfather) was killed in WW2, lived to 90-something and never drank a drop.
Mary Winifred Pierce: Known as Molly. Born in South Dakota of a Scots-American mother and English father. The family moved to Mexico and then Bolivia; she married an English missionary in Paraguay and they had two daughters in Argentina. Died in her early 40s of heart weakness caused by childhood diphtheria.
I wish I could get them all in a room to tell me their stories!
Anna
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Mary Winifred Pierce sounds fascinating, I'm sure she had many stories for such a short life.
Sharon
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My 4 great grandmothers:
Annie James from Llanwydellan, Montgomeryshire
Florence Matilda Owen from Newtown, Montgomeryshire
Phoebe Jones from Llanidloes, Montgomeryshire
Jane Mills from Llanidloes, Montgomeryshire
Jan ;)
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Four great grandmothers
Mary Ann Kelly, born in Darlington of Irish parents and married an Irish man. She had 7 sons and sounds like she had a rough time. She outlived 3 of them, two of them emigrated, and of the two remaining, one was my eccentric grandfather and the other was the town drunk. She lived in the front room at my grandfather's house, though my parents never saw her and she was only ever referred to as "the old woman". Lived to be 82.
Phoebe Eliza Mortimer (or Ward), born in Kentish Town, lived in Darlington and had 9 kids. Died of breast cancer at the age of 47.
Emma Matilda Hall, born and raised in the Redworth area of Co Durham, married a railwayman, had 11 children in quick succession and lived to be 74.
Alice Rowntree, a dressmaker, born and lived all her life in Shildon Co Durham. Came from a large and interesting family but only had three kids of her own. Lived to be 77.
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AS time drifts on for the great grandmothers, we often find them
as widows in an old census. So, this may be a "lighter side"
but sometimes the old great grandmothers were on the lighter side of financial stability in days of yore.
So, how did our great grandmothers cope when they were left as widows due to death by accident or sickness of the
great grandfathers?
WW I, would have left many a young bride alone or with small children. Did they remain a widow or remarry. Did they ever
become grandmothers and great granmothers? Of course many did and some of the story tellers of today are able to cast light on the dark days of the great grandmothers of yesterday.
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Three out of the four from me are:
Sarah Ann Busby from Oxfordshire, 1852 - after 1901 census
Mary Jemima Freear from Worcs 1855 - not sure
Mary McMahon born 1861 to 1942 affectionally known as the Mimmie... a very strong woman loved and feared by all ....
missing the one I really would love to find my grandmothers Mam... no idea at all there...
ah well it keeps me looking...
Best wishes
Mo
Pic is of Sarah Ann Busby...
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My four ....
Ada MAYOSS - b. 1874 in Kentish Town, London / d. 1952 in Hillingdon
12 children! Outlived her husband, Richard BLACKMAN, by 19 years
Jessie Rosena Annie BARLTROP - b. 1885 in Hayes, Middlesex / d. 1967 in Southall
1 child - my grandmother. Outlived her husband, Cornelius Fisk GOODWIN, by 6 years
Mary Ann LANWORN - b. 1870 in Llanwonno, Glamorgan / d. Unknown
Was a school assistant before her marriage to Edward FRANCIS in 1899. 9 or 10 children
Annie Marie GILMORE - b. 1878 in Great Warley, Essex / d. 1960 in Stratford, London
Was the daughter of an Irishman, Daniel Gilmore, who served in the Royal Scots.
Outlived her husband by 19 years. 4 children, all daughters.
I've managed to trace back the ancestry of three of them by several generations.
Annie father is, however, a problem for obvious reasons!
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My 4 Gt.Grandma's - all born in London were: -
Alice Annie RUST - one of 7 sisters and 1 son.
Anna (Annie) MOSS
Emma MIDDLETON
Susanna HOCKEY
I knew only Alice RUST when a small child in London - she would dandle me on her knee and recite the alphabet backwards. I have one photo of us together which I treasure.
Attached is a photo of her on her wedding day - 1881.
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Hi Zelley - my Beers are from Whitstable I'm afraid, have not found any from Devon as yet but you never know.... I'll keep you in mind if I find any.
Steph.
I don't think James Beer was from Devon, he married a Devon lass in South London area, not sure where James hailed from.
But post WW I or II they lived in Kent.
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My 4 Gt.Grandma's - all born in London were: -
Alice Annie RUST - one of 7 sisters and 1 son.
Anna (Annie) MOSS
Emma MIDDLETON
Susanna HOCKEY
I wonder if Susannah is connected to the HOCKEY families
of Somerset & Dorset? ???
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The year was 1901 and the place somwhere in Canada,
Mrs Elizabeth Zelley was a widow for about a year following the loss of William, John Cordell and Richard Kenyon.
Elizabeth was still residing in Nanaimo a year following the
boat capsizing in 1900. At one time, aside from some of the children two grandchildren Edward and Rose Savage were living in the same abode. Another 20 year old daughter was working
as a domestic for the Heddle family.
Of interest, years later, the "Timms Centre for the Arts" at the University of Alberta in Edmonton would be named after
her son. But, that's a story of another kind for a
different thread.
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Hello Zelley - No, Susannah Hockey was born in Lambeth and even further back they were all Londoners.
One thing that may interest you is that Alice Rust became Alice SEALEY - a name that is similar to two of yours I see !
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Jan - Very much a Powys ancestry for a Shropshire lass :)
Gadget
I'd say the full Monty!
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So, how did our great grandmothers cope when they were left as widows due to death by accident or sickness of the
great grandfathers?
Ggrandmother Cameron outlived her husband by 27 years, dying at the age of 95! Her many children had properties all around southern Queensland, and she lived with various ones of them at different times.
Ggrandmother Huband-Smith (Denham) died 3 years before her husband.
Ggrandmothers Bentley (Denham) and Hall (Hulle) outlived their husbands significantly, but both had close families to support them in Sydney and Brisbane, so would have suffered little.
Their husbands all died of natural causes, not in war.
Unfortunately, the only one I remember slightly is ggrandmother Cameron, and her only very dimly, as I was a small child when she died.
MarieC
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Gt.Grandma (Alice Rust) died in 1947 - her husband John Sealey died in 1902 - a very long widowhood.
Her remaining children ( she had lost two daughters and one son -my grandfather) were my beloved spinster Gt. Aunts and Gt.Uncle who I remember after all these years with much affection.
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Hello Zelley - No, Susannah Hockey was born in Lambeth and even further back they were all Londoners.
One thing that may interest you is that Alice Rust became Alice SEALEY - a name that is similar to two of yours I see !
I agree, the variations Zelley, Zealey, Sealey Selley, Zelly
Zealy, Sealy and Selly leaves one spinning in circles. Of the various variations all but the Selley & Selly versions have been used by my Dorset Zealy/Zelley kin. But, I also have MATERNAL
selley kin with London - Devon connections, then in
Devon especially in Silverton the Selley & Zelley variations are recorded for some of the same folks. Dazzling is all I can say!
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Hello Zelley - You may or may not know that Sealey derived from the word Silly which at one time meant fortunate - gifted etc - along those lines anyway.
It was also, with a different spelling, used as a girls' name but I'm sorry I have lost my scrap of paper with it all on. So many pieces of paper - so many places to look! ??? ??? ???
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Jan - Very much a Powys ancestry for a Shropshire lass :)
Gadget
I'd say the full Monty!
I certainly have Gadget & D!!!! Apart from my GGG Grandfather, who was from Cheeshire, all the lines on Mum & Dad's Trees are all from Powys. My Family Tree has been relatively easy to do because none of my Ancestors moved around. I got a bit excited when I discovered that one GGF was born in Shropshire, but on further investigation found out that his father was born in.......Welshpool - back over the border :(
I'm only a Shropshire lass because my Dad moved from his home of Llanidloes, after marrying my Mum, to take up a new job in Wellington.
Jan
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Mary Winifred Pierce sounds fascinating, I'm sure she had many stories for such a short life.
Thanks, Sharon - yes, I hate to have favourites among the great-grandmas, but she's the one I'd most like to spend a day with.
Even better, she could bring her father along - he was truly colourful. He left England to buy up land in Nebraska, made a fortune in the gold rush, built an observatory and two railways, was shot through the jaw by an Indian cattle-rustler, had his nose broken off by a horse-kick, wrote letters to the Journal of Psychical Research about his psychic powers, had a town in Nebraska named for him, was implicated in a million-dollar fraud and spent the rest of his life on the run in South America. :o
(And I thought my mother's family were *so* respectable - amazing what turns up in this FH lark!)
Anna
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Hello Zelley - You may or may not know that Sealey derived from the word Silly which at one time meant fortunate - gifted etc - along those lines anyway.
It was also, with a different spelling, used as a girls' name but I'm sorry I have lost my scrap of paper with it all on. So many pieces of paper - so many places to look! ??? ??? ???
Zelly is often used as a girl's name. In a movie something like the "Rising Sun" with Sean Connery & Wesley Snipes. In the movie Snipes' movie daughter was called Zelly, also
Actress Renee Zellweger's nickname is Zelly. Last but not least
there was a movie called "Zelly & Me".
In a name book, I think by Hodges, the name Zelley is listed as a variation of Sealey.
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And it is good to hear about the Welsh rare bits. Let's see on my spouses side one such great grandmother was named Annie Dykes from the Wrexham area. Then we could go back a few greats to Sarah Jones and another Jones and Ward. These are various folks connected to the Tilston name in the area.
Visited Northern Wales twice - it was and is such a grand place.
I must of made a local shopkeepers week. It was during the end of the Falklands War, and I stopped at the shop and bought
one of each newspapers for about five days. I hope they
didn't think I was running a Fish & Chip shop.
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Drifting through the towns and villages of Devon, we find young Fanny Wood from Tiverton working as a domestic at the
Lodge School of Kings Alley in the St Stephen section of Exeter.
There were numerous children of all ages from different places.
Of interest, the schoolmaster's son was Leonard Quicke, a wool worker. But, a very interesting thing, if we were to step outside the Lodge School and walk the short Alley and meet he many folks, it appears that it was a Alley of Widows such as the old dairyman's wife Mrs Harriet Allen, or the charwoman Mary Tuckett, and the old nurse Mary FREY. But not to worry, one of the folks was police constable Edward Mears.
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And it is good to hear about the Welsh rare bits. Visited Northern Wales twice - it was and is such a grand place.
All the best people come from there, Zelley. There's me, my parents, 2 grt grandmothers and 3 grt grandfathers. Think the other was a Scot maybe ???
Gadget ;D ;D ;D
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Hi All,
My four Gt Grandmothers were:
Esther Harrison b. 1881, Claverdon, Warwickshire. d. 1963, Birmingham. She was in service for a while before she married.
Hester Elizabeth Warburton b. 1876, Stretford, Manchester, Lancashire. She worked for a time at a department store in the 1920's & 30's period.
Florence Kate Hussey b. 1883, Mitcham, Surrey. I don't know when she died as yet, possibly in the 1930's.
Isabella Hill b. 1895, Blyth, Northumberland. d. 1981, Blyth, Northumberland. She is the only Gt Grandparent I met and although she died when I was eleven I have nothing but fond memories of her!!
They each I should imagine had as interesting and hard a life as my Gt Grandfathers, may be harder, what with raising children through World Wars etc!! I wish I could talk to them now!!
Regards,
David
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Hi All,
My four Gt Grandmothers were:
Esther Harrison b. 1881, Claverdon, Hester Elizabeth Warburton b. 1876, Stretford, Manchester, Lancashire.
Florence Kate Hussey b. 1883, Mitcham, Surrey.
Isabella Hill b. 1895, Blyth, Northumberland. d. 1981, Blyth, Northumberland. She is the only Gt Grandparent I met and although she died when I was eleven I have nothing but fond memories of her!!
wish I could talk to them now!!
David
Excellent closing comment
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My four, none of whom I knew. The only grandparent I knew was my paternal grandmother, all the others died before or just after I was born.
Sarah Anne Higgins, born 1857 in Quinton Glos, died 1930 in Clifford Chambers. My father was born at their home during WW1 and was very fond of her.
Mary Woodward, born 1856 Haselor Warwickshire, died 1948 in Stratford on Avon. She lived in the tram bridge cottage in Stratford for many years and was living in the Alms Houses in Stratford at the time of her death.
Emily Bartholomew Stride, Born 1854 in Portsmouth. She moved to Hanley to stay with an aunt who ran a pub and then met and married Luke Bennett. She had her leg amputated shortly before her death in 1927.
Eliza Jane Barker, born 1868 in Newcastle under Lyme, died in Alsager 1937. My mother has vivid memories of her. Apparently she liked a good time with her family and they had big family get togethers.
I have met very few of my relatives, even the ones I know about. Most of my father's family emigrated to Canada in the early 20th century and they are all over there. We moved to Cornwall when I was only 4 and somehow we lost touch with my parent's cousins. I am an only child and only have 3 first cousins, all are older than me and none of whom I am in contact with.
Ellen
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My 4 great grandmothers
One unknown (my father was illegitimate)
Mary Ellen Richardson 1889-1979 - have one photo with her holding me as a baby
Alice Evelyn Broughton 1905-1988 - never knew her (only found my grandad last year, alive in America!)
Sophia Elizabeth Clark 1895-1957 - died of cancer way before i was born
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Of my four great-grndmothers, two of the four with the birth names of BAKER and LEWIS were in England in 1881, and Canada in 1901. One with Mrs (SMITH) Kyne was in London in 1901 and MCGEE was in Australia.
Looking back to 1881 one was residing on Hope Street in Weymouth and the other was residing in Angel Alley in London.
Looking back to Hope street, of interest the youngest child
pf Elizabeth (Baker) Zelley was called Elsie Hope Zelley.
And checking out the names of the Hope Street folks throughout
the years is another interesting story with many names
and occupations, and an interesting history along with the nearby places such as Cove Row, Hope Square, Trinity
Road & Street. One of the interesting side stories is the case of No. 11 Trinity and the folks that entered the doors throughout the 1900's.
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My 4 great grandmothers
One unknown (my father was illegitimate)
Mary Ellen Richardson 1889-1979 - have one photo with her holding me as a baby
Alice Evelyn Broughton 1905-1988 - never knew her (only found my grandad last year, alive in America!)
Sophia Elizabeth Clark 1895-1957 - died of cancer way before i was born
Looking back to 1901, who were the family and neighbours
on a street where they lived re RICHARDSON & CLARK?
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My Clark family all lived in Newington, London (mum's side of the family) and my Richardsons from Durham (dad's side)
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My 4 great grandmothers Emily Woodcock born Westminster 1852 she bore 11 children but 4 died very young. Emma Butler born Clerkenwell 1851, she raised 10 children to adulthood and I believe I am supposed to look like her as I was the only one of 4 to have dark hair, Jane Ann Hall was born in Wallsend in 1857 the daudhter of a shipwright who married a coalminer, but on every document after the marriage had a different occupation including running a pub called the Old Dolphin in 1891. Elizabeth Jane White born in Newcastle on Tyne in1853 she married a keelman and had 11 children that I know of but think there were 2 more that I am still tracing. All of them were still alive on 1901 census but sadly I didn't know any of them. I only knew my paternal grandmother and my maternal step grandfather, the others died before I was born. I would love to have time with them all to find out what it was really like. None of them were wealthy but they all did the best they could to love and care for their families and I believe that I am who I am today because of them. Jabawak
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Eliza Jane Barker, born 1868 in Newcastle under Lyme, died in Alsager 1937. My mother has vivid memories of her. Apparently she liked a good time with her family and they had big family get togethers.
Ellen
Fun & Fantasy in days of yore: By Z
Slipping back through time, to Stoke Upon Trent, I wonder if
the teenager from Newcastle took care of young Tilly FARMER
in the daily dutues at the widow Jane Farmer's abode on High Street.
Did she ever go for a ride with young James PEARSON, the teenaged wagon maker? Did they stop by to visit the
blacksmith Bill SUTTON. And how many timesdid Ellen Jane
sit on any given sunny summer's day and watch the Barge workers float along such as Joseph WOOD and Mary COPE.
Did she have a good time with the local teens
such as the grocer's daughter o the likes of Alice CLAY
.Did they dance with
the lads like the apprentice plumber Thomas DEAVILLE
or go for a summer outing or town event likea potter's paint party alongside the RILEY family or Sarah Jane EDWARDS.
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Big thanks to all that have contributed to-date -
hotter than fish & chips on a Friday afternoon. ;D
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ELIZABETH BAKER was but one of four and between 1861
and 1881, she can be located on Hope Street in Weymouth.
Some of the nearby streets were CoveRow & Hope Quay,
Be it 1861 or1891, over the years some of the old familiar
namesare located their. Some of these would be connected
to Elizabeth and/or her children.
There were folks like the Master Mariner William FLISHER.
and the pilot boatmen such as William Grant & William Tizard.
Down at the Hope Quay the PEARCE family resided
and Willim Lovell ZELLEY plus his Royal Navy sons
William & Robert.
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I have 3 Elizabeth's and 1 Annie.
Elizabeth Ann Jeffersonb 1873 South Shields,Durham d 1907 Co Durham( My Grandfather was 1)
Annie Johnsonb 1871 Leeds d 1957 Leeds (She died when i was 6 mths old. I found her death a month ago.)
Elisabeth Johana Van VilsterenNo nothing.b Holland
Elisabeth Sophia Petrusb Holland 1882 d 1926 of a Heart Attack in the Toilets of a Shopping Centre in Amsterdam.
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Elizabeth Ann Jefferson[/b]b 1873 South Shields,Durham d 1907 Co Durham( My Grandfather was 1)
It's such a shame that Elizabeth died so young. Stepping back in time we may hear the echoes of the whispering of the old widow
Mary Pearson, the clay worker of Mill Street somewhere in a
small town in Co Durham. Maybe it would have been after a day
of hard work moulding clay at the glass works. Would she be chatting with the widow Elizabeth Miller while the
Jefferson, Wood and Adams children played hop scotch on the street as young William Surtees was heading home after
a day of sweeping a chimney or two.
One never knows but the children of the 1870's and 1880's
are long gone, but the great grandchildren can step back in time
and think about the life and times of the Mill Street folks,
the work of Mr Jefferson in the meat trade. Or, the next time
you mold some clay at the local community centre art fair
think of old Mary PEARSON and the great granparents
when they were young and Mill streets future along with
the Scottish & Irish folks as they danced and sang.
Then think of the song "The Last Rose" in memory of a great grandmother that died so young but her legacy remains
in the hearts and minds of a dear great grandchild of today.
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Hi,
I've only just found this thread, but will take the chance to record my Great Grandmothers here:-)
They were:
Margaret Rees, born Aberavon, Wales 1837
Elizabeth Brunton, born Kirkby Ireleth, Lancs. 1839
Frances Dyer, born East Grinstead, Sussex 1870
Amy Eliza Duffin, born Chelsea, London 1880
Romilly.
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Hi,
I've only just found this thread, but will take the chance to record my Great Grandmothers here:-)
They were:
Margaret Rees, born Aberavon, Wales 1837
Elizabeth Brunton, born Kirkby Ireleth, Lancs. 1839
Frances Dyer, born East Grinstead, Sussex 1870
Amy Eliza Duffin, born Chelsea, London 1880
Romilly.
And what a great and glorious chance you took,
to list the four great grandmothers. Be it the Chelsea
beat or song from Wales, four great grandmothers
are recognized as a group, likely perfect strangers, but each one shares a piece of a dear great grandchild of today.
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Hi Zelley,
I know that a lot of folks tend to concentrate just on the male line, (same surname, etc) but I've always tried to make a point of looking at the female lines too.
And I agree totally with what you're saying!!
Best Wishes, Romilly.
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And the four lovely ladies who combined to make up me, what a shame I didn't know any of them :(
Margaret Anne Kent - Neston, Cheshire 1845
Ann Lambert - Wexford, Co. Wexford 13th February, 1844
Harriet Hillyard - Luton, Bedfordshire 1845
Jemima Clara Nunn - Clerkenwell, London 1st November, 1848
Mary
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A great granmother, grandmother and a war bride looking down.
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My 4 great grandmothers
One unknown (my father was illegitimate)
Mary Ellen Richardson 1889-1979 - have one photo with her holding me as a baby
Alice Evelyn Broughton 1905-1988 - never knew her (only found my grandad last year, alive in America!)
Sophia Elizabeth Clark 1895-1957 - died of cancer way before i was born
David,
It must have been so wonderful to find your grandfather in America!
I'm sure he has been able to tell you a lot about his mother (and father!)
MarieC
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And the four lovely ladies who combined to make up me, what a shame I didn't know any of them :(
Margaret Anne Kent - Neston, Cheshire 1845
Ann Lambert - Wexford, Co. Wexford 13th February, 1844
Harriet Hillyard - Luton, Bedfordshire 1845
Jemima Clara Nunn - Clerkenwell, London 1st November, 1848
Mary
And I could only wonder if your Jemima Nunn of
Clerkenwell would have known some of my Clerkenwell kin
with the name of Kyne.
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Hi Zelley,
I know that a lot of folks tend to concentrate just on the male line, (same surname, etc) but I've always tried to make a point of looking at the female lines too.
And I agree totally with what you're saying!!
Best Wishes, Romilly.
Searching the names of our male kin tends to be easier than
the ladies. But, the female branches are the key to our existance.
If we follow our maternal side, that is
taking us home to where we belong.
I have also liked to track down some of the great aunts and
great great aunts. One for instance had the name of Elizabeth
Bellamy Zelley. It took a few years to find out what happened
to her. One picture was taken in London in 1894, then in
the early 1900's, we find that she married and had children.
And, it such a shame, but I haven't been able to
make contact with any of her
living grandchildren or great grandchildren,
if any with the WYATT name connection
??? :'( :'( :'( in search of missing or non existing kin ???
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Have you tried 192.com or the UK Info-Disc Zelley?
(It worked for me in tracing some missing cousins).
Best Wishes, Romilly.
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And I meant to say...
Gosh, - what a glamorous G/Grandmother!!
She looks like a film star.
Romilly. ;)
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And I meant to say...
Gosh, - what a glamorous G/Grandmother!!
She looks like a film star.
Romilly. ;)
A cousin of mine and her nephew that never met her thought she looked like Madonna, the singer.
A picture of her sisters in London Town
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Hi again,
Yes, - she does look like Madonna ;D...(& perhaps Veronica Lake?).
Lovely photos, - thanks for sharing them.
Best Wishes, Romilly.
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Your welcome!
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My 4
Hannah Saunders born 1862 in Lilley, Herts - her mother died in childbirth and she was brought up by her grandmother. After years of living hand to mouth and doing moonlight flits to escape the rent collector she died in 1939 in Three Counties Asylum.
Mary Ann Underwood born in Luton Beds in 1858, died 1929. She was my Great grandfather's second wife - having lived near him all her life I like to think of her as his childhood sweetheart who comforted him when he lost his wife and then his child.
Emma Childs born Uxbridge, Middlesex in 1864 she lost her own mother when she was 16, as the eldest child at home and with 4 siblings under 10 I imagine she had to become a mother to them. She died in 1911 of Diabetes.
Elizabeth Sarah Rendall born 1850 in Bridport Dorset died there in 1938. She is the only one I have a photo of.
Jan ;)
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My 4
Hannah Saunders born 1862 in Lilley, Herts -
Mary Ann Underwood born in Luton Beds in 1858, died 1929
Emma Childs born Uxbridge, Middlesex in 1864
Elizabeth Sarah Rendall born 1850 in Bridport Dorset died there in 1938. She is the only one I have a photo of.
Jan ;)
Thanks so much!
Contact me by PM and I will give you a Dorset site of importance re the RENDALL/RANDALL names and connections from Bridport to Wetmouth,
It would be nice to post a photo of Elizabeth Sarah Rendall on the photo section of the
Dorset site.
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I'm proud to say that all my great grandmothers are present and correct.
Edna Dransfield, Minnie Goss, Mary Edith Neilson and Margaret Williams (although MW doesn't seem to have been born....!) Haha, oh yes she does, I finally have her on the 1901 census, it's her mum and sisters who are missing now!
I only knew Mary Edith Neilson, she was a gem, she died in 1995 aged 94, she outlived her husband (Fred) by 55 years.
And matching great grandfathers too
Tom Lockwood Gilleard (although tecnhically he should have been just Lockwood!), Ernest Bradley, Fred Bainbridge and Edward Hubbard.
Legs
xxxx
PS was feeling left out so added this photo of my great gran Mary Edith Neilson. Any ideas how old she would have been in this photo?
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My 4
Elizabeth Sarah Rendall born 1850 in Bridport Dorset died there in 1938. She is the only one I have a photo of.
Jan ;)
Wonder if your Elizabeth is connected to Elizabeth Gale Rendall
born 1846 (William & Anne), or
Simeon Rendall (Job & Jane )
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Zelley I hope you don't mind me giving the great gran a bit of a clean up, she was just too beautiful to pass by.
Sharon
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Zelley I hope you don't mind me giving the great gran a bit of a clean up, she was just too beautiful to pass by.
Sharon
Thanks, she passed away in 2005 and was born in East London
in 1919 - member of the Woods & Kyne family and a
branch of the William John KYNE - Martha SMITH.
Cousin of Lilian Primrose SELLEY - lost during the Blitz in 1941.
She married a Canadian soldier in London
The soldier "Seaforth Highlanders of Canada"
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My four ....
Annie Marie GILMORE - b. 1878 in Great Warley, Essex / d. 1960 in Stratford, London
Stepping back in time when your Annie was just a child
on William Street, many of the folks were railway workers.
When the widow Mary HEARD finished her "9 to 5" job as a
waiting room attendant, I wonder if she ever had a chat
with the Shoreditch peddler Francis PEPPER or the other
peddling Pepper a few blocks away.
Did they chat about the railway workers
such as David JAY (engine driver),
George BARTON (railway guard), or Scott & Hanley,
the railroad coach builders.
Did they take time to say hello
to the widow Julia PHILLIPS, Mrs Elizabeth GILMORE,
and Mrs Elizabeth BARTON from Marylebone, London.
We can only guess, but I wonder if Daniel Gilmore worked
alongside William Street neighbour Joseph DIGBY.
And the young children of West Ham's William street
such as Annie Gilmore, Emma Sibley and Edith Wyatt,
as the years flashed along like the railway trains
did they happen to communicate with each other and
stay in touch. The Cooper children, Annie and Frank likely
lived across the street from Edith, Annie, David and Elizabeth Gilmore.
How many years did they sit along side each other
on any given sunday afternoon on a park bench or
playground not far from where the steam engines roared.
Funny thing, someone mentioned the Nunn name. at one
time Charles & Mary NUNN also lived on William street.
???
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Legs, she isn't more than three, and as cute as a button :D
Sharon
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Funny thing, someone mentioned the Nunn name. at one
time Charles & Mary NUNN also lived on William street.
I'm going to keep that in mind - so far none of that name, I've just checked.
Mary
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Hi Legs,
I would guess that she was about 3 or 4yrs.
Romilly.
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My 4
Elizabeth Sarah Rendall born 1850 in Bridport Dorset died there in 1938. She is the only one I have a photo of.
Jan ;)
Wonder if your Elizabeth is connected to Elizabeth Gale Rendall
born 1846 (William & Anne), or
Simeon Rendall (Job & Jane )
Elizabeth Gale was my William and Anne's first child (Gale was Anne's maiden-name) but sadly she died at a few days old - my Elizabeth was there third child.
I don't know of any connection with Simeon.
Cheers Jan ;)
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My 4
Elizabeth Sarah Rendall born 1850 in Bridport Dorset died there in 1938. She is the only one I have a photo of.
Jan ;)
Wonder if your Elizabeth is connected to Elizabeth Gale Rendall
born 1846 (William & Anne), or
Simeon Rendall (Job & Jane )
Elizabeth Gale was my William and Anne's first child (Gale was Anne's maiden-name) but sadly she died at a few days old - my Elizabeth was there third child.
I don't know of any connection with Simeon.
Cheers Jan ;)
You are very welcome to mention Elizabeth Gale Rendall
in the LOST CHILDREN site:
http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/lostchildren
the teardrops for any lost child are a little bigger and in greater quantity. But, often the saddest song, is years later
they are often forgotten on not mentioned.
And it's such a shame when you view the obit page of a passing
senior, and someone overlooked the lost child of decades past.
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Sharon, Romilly,
Thank you, so that pic would have been taken in about 1907/8 Wow, it's 100yrs old (almost!) How scary to think that a pic is that old....
It's my most favourite pic of my ancestors. I only wish i was so cute!!!
Legs
xxxx
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Hi Zelley
Yup - that's my Annie living in William Street, West Ham in 1881 with her parents Daniel and Elizabeth. Well spotted ;)
Cheers
Dave
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Hi Zelley
Yup - that's my Annie living
in William Street, West Ham
in 1881 with her parents Daniel and Elizabeth. Well spotted ;)
Cheers
Dave
And what about Annie's sibings,
do they have any great grandchildren.
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My four Great Grandmother are:-
Ellen Hall Born Clowne, Derbyshire
Emma Warren Born Deepcar, Yorkshire
Agnes Buckland Born Pilsey, Derbyshire
and Mary Teresa Haynes Born Sutton-in-Ashfield, Nottinghamshire.
Was only lucky enough to know one of them but she was lovely.
Regards Roni
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My four great-grandmothers are:
Mary Elizabeth ROBINSON - Born 1858 Selby, Yorks.
Alice ROBINSON - Born 1859 Sheffield (not related to each other)
Emma DABILL - Born 1852 Oxton, Notts.
Maria HARTSHORNE - Born 1852 Dudley, Worcs.
Jill
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I wonder, if Alice ever served
John Sealey a nice hot cup of coffee at the coffee shop, and did he live far from Tooley Street or the Black Horse Yard ???
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It is neat that there are so many interesting slices of information
on a number of our combined great grandmothers with names like Ann, Annie or Alice.
Some of those mentioned are:
Elizabeth Ann BAKER, Annie Elize HULLE, Annie Marie
GILMORE, Annie JAMES, Annie BEER, Alice RUST,
Elizabeth Ann JEFFERSON. and Sarah Ann BUSBY.
But, it has been great to reflect on the names of
many others such as Priscilla BLIGHT, Edith LOVEDAY,
Susannah HOCKEY, Elizabeth Patricia CAMERON,
and Frances DYER.
This of course, is just a few raindrops in the ocean. But each new raindrop in our pool of great grandmothers
is priceless.
At some time, it maybe time to tell a story or two about
the life and times of the great grandmothers with names
from Ames, Best Brown Crickmore, Dykes, Emery, Fox, Flisher,
Godbold, House, Lovell Marshallsay, Meese, Pearce,
White,Wills, Wyatt, Zealey and Zellers.
So, LET's TALK!!
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Susan Mary BLACKWELL b Middlesex 1860 & d Bedfordshire 1948 [m Luke BROWN]
Emily Mary AMES b Bedfordshire1873 & d 1960 [m Harry WORKER]
Elizabeth KAVANAGH b Ireland c 1840 [m Martin LOSTY]
My other gt grandmother was also Irish...her married name was McCarthy [m 1890s]
cathy
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I love my great grandmothers, not that I knew them all...only the one and she was quite strict and I was quite in awe of her, but she bought me the best Christmas present ever ;D.
She was Mabel Smart, then there was Ada Bright, Ellen Jenkins and last but certainly not least Elizabeth Williams. She was my mother's mother's mother and so especially special ??? :-\, girly line and all that...oh and she was the one who had 21 children and lived to her nineties, whilst hubby got worn out long before, so you got admire the girl ;D
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Good Grief! 21 children? ???
But if that wouldnt kill you off I guess you would live to a good age?
We gals are wimps these days stopping at 2.4 kids ;D
cathy
Ps: Your dog seems a bit mournful....she seems to be saying 'It is a hard life being a canine glamour model'
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Emily Mary AMES b Bedfordshire1873 & d 1960 [m Harry WORKER]
cathy
Looking back, there were William & Rose AMES
and Harry & Caroline AMES.
Rose worked with straw hats while some of her neighbours
worked in the lace making trade including the widow
Sarah Valentine. Others included Ann & Ellen VINE,
Sarah GOODMAN & Mrs. Ann BELLAMY.
I have an aunt with married name of AMES, but she was born a WOODS in London or Essex.
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Thanks, Zelley,
Harry & Caroline AMES left Bedfordshire and went to Hornsey as per 1901 - a lot of the AMES did go to London it seems?
Harry AMES [b 1854] was a VALENTINE on his mother's side...I do not know who William AMES married :-[
But a 'Rose' would make sense [as my gt grandmother, Emily Mary AMES, called her only daughter Rose WORKER etc].
All the women seemed to be in lace making - which was quite vital to family income as mens' work wasn't always regular so the extra 'tied you over' ...less so straw hats [that is more South Bedfordshire I understand?]
Have another look on tribalpages to see if your info ties in though I havent done a great deal with it lately just bits & pieces
cathy
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Ps: Your dog seems a bit mournful....she seems to be saying 'It is a hard life being a canine glamour model'
But Cathy that's his happy face! ;D
I probably misled you about Great Gran Webb ne Williams, she did have 21 pregnancies, but only 11 survived to adulthood :'(. It's impossible to imagine how she coped with it!
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What an interesting thread this is!
My four are:
Eliza Tait Wilson (1856-1927), born in Edinburgh, apparently had some sort of medical training very early on - married a presbyterian minister, they later emigrated to Alberta, Canada and he left her in charge of the ranch while he and two sons returned to fight in WW1
Clara Jane Tancock (1861-1942), born in Devon but married an itinerant preacher and travelled to Australia with him on a missionary journey - when they returned she worked in the family draper's business to support his ministry and also managed to raise five children
Louisa Clements (1866-1931), only daughter of a teenage runaway marriage, orphaned at 2 when her dad died of smallpox :'( mum then remarried and Louisa was brought up by grandparents, working in the family laundry from the age of 12. She went on to have at least 8 children
Eveline Esther Carpenter (1871-1955), second of nine children, went into service at the age of 12. She had two children, one baby very premature whose life she saved by wrapping him in cotton wool and feeding him drops of milk with a fountain pen filler - only to see him killed in action in WW1 :'( She survived both of them and is the only one I remember, though I have photos of all of them.
As someone else has said earlier on this thread - I do think of them when my own life seems hard - they had to cope with so much!
Veron
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What an interesting thread this is!
My four are:
Eliza Tait Wilson (1856-1927)
Clara Jane Tancock (1861-1942),
Louisa Clements (1866-1931), only daughter
Eveline Esther Carpenter (1871-1955),
As someone else has said earlier on this thread - I do think of them when my own life seems hard - they had to cope with so much!
Veron
Thanks for participating, and nice to see the Canadian & Australian connections of some
of the threads of your own shared
great grandmothers' "magic carpet"
with the journey of each,
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My great grandma's were
ANNIE ISABEL BOLLANDS NEE RICE BORN CRAMLINGTON
PRISCILLA STEPHENSON NEE GANDER AKA SMITH ??? BORN LIVERPOOL
MARIA HANSON WOOD NEE HARRISON BORN WILTON
HANNAH SEATON NEE JEFFELS BORN SWAINBY
When i was born I still had GGrandma Wood alive, lived near Wilton Castle, thats all i can remember!! ;)
Regards Jane ;D
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My Great Grandmothers so far are:
Eliza Loader 1859-1934
Emily Holbrook 1873-1958
Alice Mary Peverill 1870-1951
Alice was a 'formidable and scary woman' according to my mum.
Not surprising really, as I have learnt that 2 of her children died before they were 3 and her husband and eldest son died within months of each other, and she always wore black.
My mum only met her once, but remembers that Alice gave her a cardigan with yellow ducks on.
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Alice Mary Peverill 1870-1951
Alice was a 'formidable and scary woman' according to my mum.
My mum only met her once, but remembers that Alice gave her a cardigan with yellow ducks on.
Stepping back in time, I wonder if Alice ever visited the
"India Rubber Factory". Or did she ever hop aboard a coach on Chestnut Road in Tottenham with Frederick in
the lead??
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Alice Mary Peverill 1870-1951
Alice was a 'formidable and scary woman' according to my mum.
My mum only met her once, but remembers that Alice gave her a cardigan with yellow ducks on.
Stepping back in time, I wonder if Alice ever visited the
"India Rubber Factory". Or did she ever hop aboard a coach on Chestnut Road in Tottenham with Frederick in
the lead??
"India Rubber Factory" ??? Have I missed something?
I like to think that she did hop aboard a coach with Frederick ;D I think she would have enjoyed it as a little girl! I know I would have :D
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Alice Mary Peverill 1870-1951
Alice was a 'formidable and scary woman' according to my mum.
My mum only met her once, but remembers that Alice gave her a cardigan with yellow ducks on.
Stepping back in time, I wonder if Alice ever visited the
"India Rubber Factory". Or did she ever hop aboard a coach on Chestnut Road in Tottenham with Frederick in
the lead??
"India Rubber Factory" ??? Have I missed something?
I guess when I was young in parts of Holloway, I also missed the "Indian Rubber Factory". In the name of progress,
the old factory moved to Essex.
But looking back to the days when Alice was young, she
likely knew many of the children of the workers of
the "Indian Rubber Factory".
And, I wonder if Emily Potter from Somerset, during
her days has a Tottenham teacher every taught
one and one to the children of Chestnut Road
such as Albert Squires, Martha Harris, and the
Abbott, Peverill and Swan kids? :D
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Know all my great-grandparents. :)
- Edward James Golding & Lavinia Jane Wales
- Alfred John Twyman & Grace Harriett Kennard
- George Berks & Rose Hannah Challinor
- Gomer Wakely & Beatrice Louisa Glover
All but Beatrice were born in the 1880s, with her being born in the 1890s. :P
I never knew any of them...and coincidentally, both my parents only knew one of their grand-parents (in both cases, only their maternal grand-mothers were alive when my parents were born).
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What an interesting thread this is!
Eveline Esther Carpenter (1871-1955), second of nine children, went into service at the age of 12.
someone else has said earlier on this thread - I do think of them when my own life seems hard - they had to cope with so much!
Veron
Looking back through the years, what an interesting slice
of England is situated between Royal Arsenal & Shooter's Hill.
Think of the importance of the start of
"Royal Arsenal Co-operative Society" in 1868.
Think about the Royal Arsenal workers from
Bloomfield Road, then look at 1893 & the formation of
the "Woolwich Reds" and now Arsenal F C.
THINK back between those important years
1868 to 1893, then a picture may flash forward
about the life and times of the Carpenter family.
And think about Harriet Wood beyond her days with the Carpenter folks.
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I've been fortunate to have been able to trace all 4 of my great-grandmothers.
Three of them were children of the Colonies (Cape and Australia) - their *foremothers* of either English or Irish/English descent.
Mary DAVENPORT - born Queensland, Australia
Edith EDMONDS - born NSW, Australia
Dorothy BARNES - born Cape Colony, South Africa
Margaret THORBURN - born Scotland
I unfortunately only knew my Scottish great-grandmother and have such fond memories of her. Tracing the journeys and stories of the other women has been such a fulfilling thing to do ... not to mention terribly addictive!!
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My goodness, Leanne! With those international great-grandmothers, I'm sure there must be some fascinating stories there!!! :D :D
MarieC
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There sure are :)
To make matters even more interesting .... I'm living in the Netherlands now ... and my children have a Dutch father and Polish grand father!
Nothing like fruit-salad ancestory to keep things fun!! :D well fun from my-hooked-on-genealogy point of view anyway :)
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There sure are :)
To make matters even more interesting .... I'm living in the Netherlands now ... and my children have a Dutch father and Polish grand father!
Nothing like fruit-salad ancestory to keep things fun!! :D well fun from my-hooked-on-genealogy point of view anyway :)
GOOD POINT re the "salad" comment
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Know all my great-grandparents. :)
- George Berks & Rose Hannah Challinor
Did Rose have any kin in North Wales area of Wrexham and connected to the Tilston or Parry names?
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My Great Grandmothers so far are:
Emily Holbrook 1873-1958
Stepping back to Cantebury, I wonder if your Holbrook kin work in connection with
folks working in the "Tan Yard"?
Did they ever go to school with the likes of
Ann or Emily BAKER?
Also, I wonder of they ever crossed paths or stopped to say hello to any members of a FLISHER family?
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Know all my great-grandparents. :)
- George Berks & Rose Hannah Challinor
Did Rose have any kin in North Wales area of Wrexham and connected to the Tilston or Parry names?
It would be nice if she did, but I honestly couldn't tell you. All I know is her father was Herbert, and her grandfather was Joseph...and as far as I know they were in Staffordshire, for the most part. Interestingly though, Rose died while at the cinema. What no-one seems to be able to answer though is exactly what they were watching. ;D
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Concerning Martha Matilda Smith (1866 - 1938)
Born: March 1866: Golden Lane, Whitecross Street
in London.
Married William John Kyne
Died: 1938: Mildmay Memorial Hospital in Newington.
I have left a message on the London lookup thread
to try and track her down in 1871.
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Hubby has only 2
Annie Maria Lindhold b 1867 Denmark Married William Alfred Thornhill b 1856 Cork Ireland
Annie Louisa Attwood b 1872 Dunedin NZ Married Axel Leopold Mallerstatt b 1846 Gothenburg Sweden
Both couples married in the South Island New Zealand
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Leota Stephan, Agnes McLaughlin, Mildred Ratzel (actually Schmidtz but took her step-dads name), Laura Murphy.... they havent made it easy but little by little....
The only one I ever met was Mildred, I dont think I will ever forget her bright pink house (inside and out!)
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My Gt Grandmothers
Charlotte Christian, 1833, Londonthorpe, Lincs.
Frances Elizabeth Shepherd, 1848, Kirkby cum Osgodby, Lincs
Martha Agnes Williams, 1851, Kerry Montgomery
Eliza Amoys, 18**, Harpley, nr Tenbury, Worcs
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My four are
Sarah Sankey 1849 to 1915 Silk Weaver
Mary Elizabeth Wood 1855 to 1896 Gentlewoman
Ellen Davis 1879 to 1958 dressmaker
Catherine Ann Thomas 1870 to 1956 Milk woman (Lewis the Milk)
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Did Rose have any kin in North Wales area of Wrexham and connected to the Tilston or Parry names?
Zelley,
I have Tilstons from North Wales way, way back in my tree. Most recent one born at Gresford, but possibly Wrexham as well.
MarieC
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Did Rose have any kin in North Wales area of Wrexham and connected to the Tilston or Parry names?
Zelley,
I have Tilstons from North Wales way, way back in my tree. Most recent one born at Gresford, but possibly Wrexham as well.
MarieC
Re Tilston names: Some connections:
Edward Tilston & Jane Parker (married about 1902)
Joseph Tilston & Annie Dykes
Richard Tilston & Sarah Jones
Other Tilston name connection before Richard include Ward,
Lloyd and others.
In 1881, Richard was a widower and residing with son Joseph.
Re Gresford: Any family losses in the Gresford Mone disaster?
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I have Elizabeth Tilston, born 1802, married 1. Thomas Hall (d.1840), 2. George Garner. We do not have details for the second marriage, or confirmation of when she died.
Her parents were Samuel Tilston and Dorothy Weanwright.
I know nothing about the Gresford mine (did you mean mine?) disaster.
MarieC
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I have Elizabeth Tilston, born 1802, married 1. Thomas Hall (d.1840), 2. George Garner. We do not have details for the second marriage, or confirmation of when she died.
Her parents were Samuel Tilston and Dorothy Weanwright.
I know nothing about the Gresford mine (did you mean mine?) disaster.
MarieC
There was a Samuel Tilston born about 1774 in
the Llay area of Gresford. He was the son of
Thomas & Elizabeth.
The Marriage of Samuel in 1898 appears to be a
Dorthy Wainwright.
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There was a Samuel Tilston born about 1774 in
the Llay area of Gresford. He was the son of
Thomas & Elizabeth.
The Marriage of Samuel in 1898 appears to be a
Dorthy Wainwright.
Yes, all of that's right, Zelley. Wainwright was an alternative spelliing of Weanwright. A cousin has been researching this line, and she has got the Tilstons back as far as Thomas Tilston, 1613-1663 and his wife Alice. We are pretty OK with that. What we don't have, for our ancestor Elizabeth Tilston b. 1802, are details of her second marriage and when she died (though Jennie has found possibles here). It would be good to find this!
Are you descended from any of the Tilstons in this line?
MarieC
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The Marriage of Samuel in 1898 appears to be a
Dorthy Wainwright.
... and she has got the Tilstons back as far as Thomas Tilston, 1613-1663 and his wife Alice. We are pretty OK with that. What we don't have, for our ancestor Elizabeth Tilston b. 1802, are details of her second marriage and when she died (though Jennie has found possibles here). It would be good to find this!
Are you descended from any of the Tilstons in this line?
MarieC
Just by marriage to one of the leaves of the 1613
Thomas Tilston tree.
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The Marriage of Samuel in 1898 appears to be a
Dorthy Wainwright.
... and she has got the Tilstons back as far as Thomas Tilston, 1613-1663 and his wife Alice. We are pretty OK with that. What we don't have, for our ancestor Elizabeth Tilston b. 1802, are details of her second marriage and when she died (though Jennie has found possibles here). It would be good to find this!
Are you descended from any of the Tilstons in this line?
MarieC
Just by marriage to one of the leaves of the 1613
Thomas Tilston tree.
Edward, the son of Thomas had a number of children,
your branch is Edward Jr. and by marriage my
branch is the Peter Tilston & Jane Randle branch
In the context of great-grandmothers, Jane Randle is a great grandmother of John Tilston (born 1780) and spouse to
Sarah Lloyd. Now Sarah Lloyd is the great grandmother
of Edward Tilston, spouse of Jane Parker.
John Tilston's mother is Hannah Ward, the great-grandmother of Joseph Tilston, spouse of Annie Dykes. And Annie Dykes is the great grandmother of a heap of folks living today
from Wrexham, Wales to Vancouver Island, Canada
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My Great Grand mothers were:
Henrietta Harriett Knobbs (Born West London 1840)
Maria Turner (born Lavenham, Suffolk 1829/30)
Jemima Jane Quarry (born Bushey, Herts 1872)
Louisa Elizabeth Ashby (born Clerkenwell 1862 - died 1911 Wood Green area, North London)
Jemima Jane died 6 months after I was born, we met although I have no memory of it!! :D
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Bit of a shock to find on Ancestry One World Tree that my Great Grandmother Elizabeth Sarah Rendall and her husband Albert Love Griffin had been stolen and transported to Massachusetts to die :o I have restored them to their rightful resting place of Bridport, Dorset. Someone however is following the wrong family.
Jan ;)
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Jemima Jane Quarry (born Bushey, Herts 1872)
Jemima Jane died 6 months after I was born, we met although I have no memory of it!! :D
I wonder how she is connected to
the Charles & Jane QUARRY family of Bushey. And how is Jemima Quarry
connected to Julia Quarry, born in Bushey
???
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My Great Grand mothers were:
Louisa Elizabeth Ashby (born Clerkenwell 1862 - died 1911 Wood Green area, North London)
I wonder if she ever bumped into
the old button maker John Wager while taking a casual Sunday afternoon walk
down Gt. Bath Street.
And I wonder if Emma ASHBY while in the paper bag making trade ever worked alongside a member of the Kyne family
And what about those fast moving errand boys, maybe Oliver EVANS or John PAGE,
did the ASHBY girls ever dance with Evans or Page?
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Slipping back in time to the 1870's, one of my gret grandmothers lived on Angel Alley - Nancy Lewis.
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Jemima Jane Quarry (born Bushey, Herts 1872)
Jemima Jane died 6 months after I was born, we met although I have no memory of it!! :D
I wonder how she is connected to
the Charles & Jane QUARRY family of Bushey. And how is Jemima Quarry
connected to Julia Quarry, born in Bushey
???
Charles & Jane (nee Birch) Quarry are her aunt and uncle.
Julia is her first cousin ( marrried Henry Williamson Young)
Jan
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I notice some of the folks have the PHILLIPS name as a likely branch, My great grandmother (London born) Nancy LEWIS
married a PHILLIPS (Warwickshire born),
So how many others folks have a great
grandmother or grandmother with a PHILLIPS or LEWIS connection
by birth of marriage?
Considering my other branches, what about
SMITH & WHITE?
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I think my great grandmother named Martha Smith was the daughter of William Smith & a Martha or Matilda Hopkins.
William was a shoemaker Ball Court Road, London
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Bit of a shock to find on Ancestry One World Tree that my Great Grandmother Elizabeth Sarah Rendall and her husband Albert Love Griffin had been stolen and transported to Massachusetts to die :o I have restored them to their rightful resting place of Bridport, Dorset. Someone however is following the wrong family.
Jan ;)
So how is Elizabeth Sarah Rendell connected to
Elizabeth Gale Rendel and Maria Gale Rendell?
Then there are likely connection to the Barlett and Strickland names.
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My Great Grand mothers were:
Henrietta Harriett Knobbs (Born West London 1840)
Was your Henrietta the one that married in 1860, and was her father
named James Knobbs?
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Well, because we've all been told to 'shamelessly plug' our websites on the Free Rootschat Website 'how to' thread, you can read all about the four of mine on:
http://some-ancestors.rootschat.net/
Gadget ;D
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Well my four great grandmothers are:
Margaret Black born 1884, Lanarkshire
Jeanie Craig born 1895, Lanarkshire
Agnes Tripney born 1901, Lanarkshire
Susan Davidson born 1902, Lanarkshire
In answer to the poll have taken them back more than one generation on each side except in Jeanie's case as she was illegitimate and no idea who the father was.
Gordon
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These are my grandmothers going down 4 generations on my Eady lineage:
Grandmother
Mary Elizabeth Green 1881 Twywell Northants married Albert Samuel Eady 1877 Irthlingborough
Great Grandmother
Mary Ann Wright Wolverhampton married Amos Eady Little Harrowden
1849 (he had 3 wives all called Mary Ann) ;D
Gt Gt Grandmother
Esther Law 1828 Warkton Northants married James Eady 1821 Little Harrowden
Gt Gt Gt Grandmother
Elizabeth Talbot 1803 Little Harrowden married Samuel Eady 1795 Burton Latimer
Gt Gt Gt Gt Grandmother
Elizabeth Hughes Burton Latimer married Edmund Eady (Burton Latimer)
Cheers Sandy
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These are my 4 gt grandmothers.
Mary Ann Wright Wolverhampton married Amos Eady Little Harrowdem
Sarah Ann Gray Twywell married Jesse Green Twywell
Emma Page Husborne Crawley married Job Sibley Husborne Crawley
Jane Spring of Eversholt married George Willis Toddington
Cheers Sandy
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Can we get to 8 Trees our Gt Gt Grandparents?
See new topic. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,176379.0.html
Even though I was brought up in a Dr Barnardo's Home "Dallington Lodge" I have managed too.
Cheers Sandy
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Can we get to 8 Trees our Gt Gt Grandparents?
See new topic. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,176379.0.html
Even though I was brought up in a Dr Barnardo's Home "Dallington Lodge" I have managed to.
Cheers Sandy
Two of eight: Mary Ann WHITE and Suzanne VALLENCE (Vallance)
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Can we get to 8 Trees our Gt Gt Grandparents?
See new topic. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,176379.0.html
Even though I was brought up in a Dr Barnardo's Home "Dallington Lodge" I have managed too.
Cheers Sandy
If we get 8, then 16 would only be 20 to 30 years backwards?
But, that 20 or 30 years is tough to find with a high level of accuracy
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Hi Zelley
Always buy certificates to prove lineage is correct.
Spent a bomb on them in the early days only to find later that most Record Offices or
Libraries had them for 25p upwards a copy instead of £6.50. ;D.
I live and learn.
Cheers Sandy
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Hi Zelley
Always buy certificates to prove lineage is correct.
Spent a bomb on them in the early days only to find later that most Record Offices or
Libraries had them for 25p upwards a copy instead of £6.50. ;D.
I live and learn.
Cheers Sandy
Sometimes, a certificate will have incorrect information, but that's another story.
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Yep!!!!!!!!
Well aware of that. My mother's own death certificate is a good one.
Been doing it 22 years now so got better, not so green. ;D ;D ;D
Sandy
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Yep!!!!!!!!
Well aware of that. My mother's own death certificate is a good one.
Been doing it 22 years now so got better, not so green. ;D ;D ;D
Sandy
From birth to death, his name and his parents names were recorded incorrectly
in birth records, death records and even in the Daily newspaper following his death.
He was born in Ontario, Canada and died in British Columbia. His name was listed as John Zelly, Bertie Zelly etc. However, about a year or so when he was gone, there was a Memorial Card with his correct name. It's
such as shame that two Provinces in Canada couldn't get it right!
I guess the excuse would be that the parents did it wrong
despite the rest of the children before and after having the correct name.
Anyway, the death was caused by a hugh Oak Tree that crashed onto the house in 1897. Funny now, but not so funny about 1956, was I almost drowned in the ocean nearby where the house once stood, but that's another
story.
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Goodness me, Zelley! That's spine-tingly stuff!!! Your ancestors must have wanted you to do the family history before you went to join them!!!
MarieC
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Goodness me, Zelley! That's spine-tingly stuff!!! Your ancestors must have wanted you to do the family history before you went to join them!!!
MarieC
Doing a family history would be cool, but I'm not ready to join the late ancestors in the reading room.
Regarding young Herbert, I started a web site called GREEN LEAVES - Lost Children, he received top billing on the Home Page. Also, did a poem, it was published by the Forward Press group in England.
Also, created a blended story of the 1956, the 1897 storm
and a 1900 drowning of three in the ocean close to Nanaimo. The common fixture in all three happenings was a Sail Boat.
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It has been some months, welcome input from any new members
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My 4 Gt Grandmothers were:
Rachel Ann RUSSELL [my namesake]
Annie Maria LAVENDER
Catherine WATSON
& Ellen SMITH
With help ;D, have managed to get back one, if not two, generations! Only problem is Catherine WATSON's mother, Catherine O'CONNOR, from Bandon, Co. Cork. Not had much success trying to find out her family details.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/anniemcc/smilies/Cheers.gif) Ann
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My 4 Great Grandmothers were all from London
Emma Matilda Allen
Jane Strong
Matilda Heath
Mary Ann Smith - can you imagine how hard she was to find? But the immense satisfaction when I did! and that was in the days before the census was available online.
Daisy
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My 4 great-grandmothers were:
Margaret Wells
Catherine Hayes
Margaret Murphy
Alice Gillen
I have them each back at least one generation, some sides mre. Margaret Wells I have back the farthest and that turns to to be my extremely interesting side of the family, with lawyers and architects. And my 4x great grandfather decided not to follow in his father's architectural footsteps, but to become a silk ribbon weaver instead. ???
Kath
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My four great-grandmothers:
Euphemia Laurel SWAN, born Sydney, 1856
Charlotte Sarah LANGWORTHY, born Jersey, CI, 1863
Rachel NANCARROW, born Sydney, 1878
Emily Caroline Ethel INGRAM, born London, 1881
I was lucky enough to know Ethel (Emily) - she died in 1975 when I was 5 years old. We called her "Granny in the Mountains" :) because she lived in the Blue Mountains west of Sydney. I have traced all of these ladies back several generations :D
Prue
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My four Great Grandma's were
Mary Ann Grace born 1888, Amersham
Minnie Emily Kearns born 1881, Portsmouth
Annie Charlotte Colwell born 1862, Aylburton
Emma Agnes Hayward born 1875, Camden Town
The only one I knew anything about before I started my tree was Emma, my journey to find the other 3 and generations well beyond has been the most satisfying, humbling experience of my life. The jobs they did, the lives they lead, the struggles they had, far more interesting than any novel. What did I do with my time before family research? :-\
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BTW Prue having photographs of all 4 is just showing off, I bet many of us are green with envy of that!! ;D
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Yes JK, I certainly am green with envy!!!
MarieC
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My four :)
Mary Ann LONG aka JONES born 1865 in Merthyr Tydfil Wales. Lived in Brynmawr in later years.
Sarah Ann HOPE born 1851 in Llanfabon Glamorgan, lived in Peny-graig.
Emily LODGE born 1850 in Roxwell Essex. My Dad remembers her talking to the Milkmans horse.
Alice Emily PERRY born 1870 in London and after putting Nan in a Home in 1897 vanishes.
Reyz.
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Prue
How lovely to have photos of all 4!
Mine were
Ethel Mary Cruse born Sussex
Dorothy Gladys Harmer born Sussex
Naomi Elizabeth Winchester born Sussex
and just to be different
Emily Payne born Surrey
3 died before I was born but I got to meet Dorothy Harmer, what a sweet little lady she was!
Kerry
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My 4 are:
Elizabeth Mary Ann Burgess b London
Amelia Sophia Rayner b Kent
Ellen Mary Eliza Viney b London
Annie George b Middlesex
I've photos of all; some better than others!
Annie and Ellen met me but I can't remember them!
Nanny Jan
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My four g grandmothers were:
Rose Matilda James born Elmore Victoria Australia 1869, Married John Emil Maass John was actually born Emil took his older brothers name when he died at 5 months.
Ada Georgina Breeze Born Yambuk Victoria Australia 1861, married John Jones.
Harriet Mary Cureton born Hereford Hereford England 1879 married John Ellis Lancaster.
Florence Ethel Fabian born ? 1885 married Alfred Alexander Hucklebridge
The only one i remember was Ethel we used to pick blackberries at her house
Raels
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BTW Prue having photographs of all 4 is just showing off, I bet many of us are green with envy of that!! ;D
:-[ Sorry! I wasn't showing off, honest! :)
In fact I sort of hadn't realised I had all of them, if you know what I mean - I knew I had photos of each lady, but until I decided to post on this thread it hadn't clicked that I had all four :) :) :)
There are plenty of ancestors I would dearly love to have piccies of, but they remain faceless (for now) :'( :'( :'(
Prue :)
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It could also be, Prue, that you are younger than some of us ;)
I have two photos of one great grandmother (b. 1853) taken in 1904 and 1920s but none of the others, although I have a photo of another grt grandmother's (b.1842) brother and wife. I have photos of both grandmothers (b. 1873 and 1878) - first ones taken in the 1880s and others through into the 20th century.
Some younger members of RChat may even have photos of their great great grandmothers.
My niece, who is a couple of years older than you, has pictures of all 4 great grandparents and at least one great great grandparent.
It's all a matter of time periods and our ages, maybe.
Gadget
Added their birth years to make more sense!
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Thanks Gadget, that makes me feel better :) :) :)
I am very young ;D ;D ;D although the wrinkles on my face might indicate otherwise!
Prue
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Not wishing to brag but I have photos of them all as well! They were all widowed.
Annie Langridge (1861-1936) was mother of my father's father. She was illegitimate - born Ann Coleman in Croydon. Her mother married two years after she was born, and to all intents and purposes, her husband was Annie's Dad (and there's no proof either way about who the biological father was). 6 children (at least). Pic 32
Mary Ann Gibbs (1862-1920) was mother of my father's mother. She was a twin. Her first husband (my great grandfather) died in his thirties, and she married again. She was a laundress. The work probably killed her - coronary before she reached 60. Her three sons who reached adulthood all killed in the line of duty in WW1. 9 children first time round, plus 2 from second marriage. Pic 120
Others to follow in next post
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.... continued
Lucy Pond (1850-1934) was mother of my mother's father. She married a baker and indeed ran the bakery after he died following an accident with a ditch. 12 children! Pic 102
Elizabeth Danns Rose (1847-1941) was mother of my mother's mother. My Mum grew up with her in the house, and as a result we know a lot about her family. She had been a children's nurse and the children she looked after often came to see her in later years. 7 children. Pic 63
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I have all 8 ggp's and all 16 gggp's - only 19 of next generation so far.
Unfortunately only photos of 4 ggp's and 2 gggp's.
Regards, Bill
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Thanks all for continuing this thread.
Also, the pictures are great!
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Great pictures Julian and great stories.
I wish when my grandparents were still alive I had been into family history and asked for photos of their parents!
Kerry
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I had a picture of two of my great grandparents appear in the
publication More Dating Old Photographs (1840 - 1929),
My picture was from 1875 taken in Weymouth, Dorset of
Elizabeth BAKER and William ZELLEY.
It was published by the Family Chronicle group.
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Here's gtgrandma Elizabeth, born 1847.
Nanny Jan
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:o Wow nanny jan! Born in 1847! Isn't that wonderful :) :) :)
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Here's another...gtgrandma Ellen, born 1880. She features in my brickwall family!
Nanny Jan
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Here's another......Annie Kingsman wearing the Silver War Badge awarded to her husband who was gassed in WW1 and died in 1919.
Nanny Jan
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Hi
My 4 great grandmothers are -
Florence Elizabeth Mason b. 1887 Northampton
Kate Hillyard b. 1872 Northampton
Kate Emily Leach b. 1879 Northampton
Emily Louisa J Law b. 1886 Cogenhoe, Northants
I've found all of their husbands too. Unfotunatley I don't remember any of them. I only have photos of Florence Mason and her husband William Russell. In one of the photos William is holding my eldest sister when she was around 2yrs old.
Mary
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as i am only 19 years old i have traced back all 4 gt grandmothers and have personaly met 3 of them i however have photos of all 4 of them and there parents ;D
they are
Doris May Gilliver born Nuneaton 1919- 1998
Edith Annie Marr born Walkeringham 1902 - 1980
Bet Prestidge born Nuneaton 1920 - still going strong with her husband ;D
Doris Turner born Gringley on the hill 1906 - 1996
none of them will go forgotten
Wileman 121
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none of them will go forgotten
Wileman 121
I have to include a pic of my great-great-grandmother's grave, which I visited last Feb. I started crying when I saw it. If you can't read it, at the bottom it says, "Gone, but not forgotten." I knew exactly why I was doing this. And I wish I had started at 19 also.
Kath
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the reason i have started so young / when i was 17 is so that hopefully one day i will be fourtunate enough to have children / grandchildren of my own and when they come to me and say can you tell me about this person or what was your grandparents like i can get my book with all of my interview noted from when i questioned them and show them.
i intend to keep on researching my family tree and am currently writing a book about my memories and other peoples.
i know i am young have a lot to learn and much more of my life to live but i would rather start now writing memories of relatives gone by than to start when i am 50 and to have forgotted half of the stories that could have been put in my book.
Wileman 121
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Hi
Kate Hillyard b. 1872 Northampton
Mary
A review of the 1881 Census indicates, Kate is the daughter of William & Jane.
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Wileman 121,
Very wise. And very lucky for you. The interviewing of the relatives now provides wonderful information, but when they are gone, you will also have the wonderful memories of time spent with them.
Kath
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thank you kath and them memories will be in my family for many years to come ;D
i sometimes think if only my gt gt grandparents had done this for there descendants i.e me ::)
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[Kate Hillyard b. 1872 Northampton
Mary
A review of the 1881 Census indicates, Kate is the daughter of William & Jane.
Hi Zelley
Yes, William and Jane were Kate Hillyards parents. "Jane" was actually Sarah Jane Pickering and chose to be called Jane. I have quite a bit on the Pickerings. Now I'm trying to find out all about William Hillyard, who his parent were and if he had any siblings etc.
Mary
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[Kate Hillyard b. 1872 Northampton
Mary
A review of the 1881 Census indicates, Kate is the daughter of William & Jane.
Hi Zelley
Yes, William and Jane were Kate Hillyards parents. "Jane" was actually Sarah Jane Pickering and chose to be called Jane. I have quite a bit on the Pickerings. Now I'm trying to find out all about William Hillyard, who his parent were and if he had any siblings etc.
Mary
A good place to start is with George & Mary HILLYARD at
PIDDINGTON. Possible parents or an uncle & aunt.
Others: Charles, Thomas & Maria HILLYARD (siblings or cousins of
your William HILLYARD.
Charles George HILLYARD could be a nephew or second cousin
(born about 1877 or 1878 or 1879).
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thank you for that Zelley.
I've actually had someone contact me about a Charles in the family. So maybe that's the one!
You've given me a bit more to go on.
Many thanks
Mary
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thank you for that Zelley.
I've actually had someone contact me about a Charles in the family. So maybe that's the one!
You've given me a bit more to go on.
Many thanks
Mary
Not sure if this is relevant, but a rifleman A. H. HILLYARD (1918)
lies in the Rothwell Cemetery in Northhampton.
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Think this is a lovely thread, full of pride for our maternal forebearers,
Grandmother - what a warm and wonderful word for me :)
Mine were:
Ellen Jane Flynn, b Glamorgan 1878-1959 she died 10 days after I was born so met her briefly, have complete history although only have her parents on one census and remains my brick wall. Would really have liked to have know her, have many family stories and have lived her life through my research. My beloved nan's mother.
Mary Catherine Mordecai b Glamorgan 1872-1919 complete history and many generations back, sadly she died young. Have family bible her husband completed.
Mary Ann Jones b Glamorgan 1873-1949 complete history although proved very difficult and costly.
Bridget Baggot, b Waterford Ireland 1880 - 1932 Lancs my own lovely nans MIL, did not get along, think my Granch was in the middle though! Only have marriage cert and some family input.
Cas
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Hi Zelley
I will bear that person in mind when I get a little further with this side of my family.
Thanks,
Mary
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My four
Elizabeth Anne Jones b.1878 d.1959 Llanidloes, Montgomeryshire. died just two weeks after my dad was born :(
Mary Skinner b.1904 d.1983 Aberdeen, Scotland
Gertrude Wakeley b.1905 d.1979 Dawley, Shropshire
Violet Halford b.1910 d.1986 Dawley, Shropshire
Katie
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I too have photos of all 4 Great Grandmothers. I'm only 17 so they were all alive until the 1970s and 80s. In this way I'm very fortunate. I still have both my Grandmothers with me too.
Mine were:
Winifred Catherine Kathleen Burke b. 1905 in Balham, London. She died less than 3 years before I was born, the same year as my Granddad :(
Hildegard Maria Manthei b. 1910 in Heinrichswerder, Posen, Poland.
Margaret Mabel Munson b. 1897 in Newbridge, County Kildare, Ireland.
Selina Muscutt b. 1890 in Tunstall, Staffordshire, the oldest of my Great Grandmothers who also died the youngest.
Ryan.
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Gertrude Wakeley b.1905 d.1979 Dawley, Shropshire
Violet Halford b.1910 d.1986 Dawley, Shropshire
Katie
Any of your Wakely or Halfords involved in coal mining in Shropshire
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That's lovely, Ryan! I'm interested in your ggrandmother Hildegard. Did she move from Poland to England or Ireland to meet and marry your ggrandfather? Tell us a little about her! :D
MarieC
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Gertrude Wakeley b.1905 d.1979 Dawley, Shropshire
Violet Halford b.1910 d.1986 Dawley, Shropshire
Katie
Any of your Wakely or Halfords involved in coal mining in Shropshire
Yes both familys were miners Wakeleys of the Wrockwardine wood and shifnal area. Halfords of Madeley and Dawley.
Katie
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I'm fortunate to have photos of all my great-grandparents. :) Only two survived long enough to be alive when my parents were born even, but at least one photo survived of each. :) My great-grandmother were:
- Lavinia Jane Wales - born 1883 in Ramsgate, died 1952 in the loony-bin. She married Edward James Golding.
- Grace Harriet Kennard - born 1880 in Milstead, died 1964 in Hollingbourne. She married Alfred John Twyman.
- Rose Hannah Challinor - born 1883 in Stoke-on-Trent, died 1932 in the cinema. She married George Berks.
- Beatrice Louise Glover - born 1893 in London, died 1974 in Maidstone. She married Gomer Wakely.
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I'm fortunate to have photos of all my great-grandparents. :) Only two survived long enough to be alive when my parents were born even, but at least one photo survived of each. :) My great-grandmother were:
- Grace Harriet Kennard - born 1880 in Milstead, died 1964 in Hollingbourne. She married Alfred John Twyman.
Would Thomas Kennard of Milstead be the grandfather of Grace.
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sgolding
I do not like your expression 'Looney-bin'. You may not have known her but she does deserve some respect.
Daisy
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- Rose Hannah Challinor - born 1883 in Stoke-on-Trent,
Any chance that Rose had CHALLINOR kin folk in the Wrexham region pf North Wales.
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Would Thomas Kennard of Milstead be the grandfather of Grace.
Not sure...her father was base-born, so I've not a clue who her grandfather was. However, I do have a number of Thomas Kennards of Milstead in the tree...which one exactly is he?
Any chance that Rose had CHALLINOR kin folk in the Wrexham region pf North Wales.
Not that I'm aware of.
You may not have known her but she does deserve some respect.
Well sorry then. :( However, my use of a coloquialism that has been in common use for years does not equate to disrespect on my part.
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I only have pictures of 2 of my great grandmothers, Alice Mary Pattemore b.1889 d.1964 and Gertrude Mary Markham Clark b.1898 d.1975. My grandparents have pictures of my other 2 grt-grandmothers somewhere but I have not seen them.
I can see a lot of resemblance between my mum and her grandmother Alice and we both have her eyes, but I cannot see any resemblance between my dad and his grandmother Gertrude.
Alice is aged about 60 in the picture and had a goitre and Gertrude is also about 60.
acceber
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Marie - thanks for asking. In fact, it was my Nan (Hildegard's daughter) who came to Britain after WW2 and then married my Grandfather who is from London.
:)
Ryan.
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My four great grandmothers:
Lily Winifred Greene - St Pancras London 1886
Georgina Waters - Hounslow, Middlesex 1876
Minnie Edwards - London 1874
Bessie Catherine Morris - Monmouthshire 1889
Out of the four my family could only help me with Georgina's first name. They didn't know who their grandparents were (other than they were grandma and grandad of course), so they took some tracking down. Georgina didn't help by eloping and lying on her marriage certificate (her spouse lied too) if it wasn't for a perceptive rootschatter, I might still be looking.
Looking at the four, I have quite London base; but I have 7 out of the eight great great grandmas too, and they add Hampshire, Northamptonshire, Warwickshire, Berkshire, Kent, Herefordshire into the mix.
Siouxzie
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To-date, we have an interesting list of names from different time periods and places.
It would be interesting to determine how many years
did they live as a widow or did they remarry.
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That's interesting Zelley. All of my great-grandmothers outlived their husbands and none remarried. One was for about 25 years, but from what my mom told me about her, I am sure no one would have wanted her (real piece of work). The other was just under 20 years, the sweetest soul who walked on the earth. The other two were widows for only a couple years.
Interestingly, I have a gg grandfather who lived as a widower for 55 years, raised two girls by himself. I'm surprised the church didn't find him a nice spinster lady to help him raise the girls and whatnot. Hmmmm
kath
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Of my 4 great-grandmothers, only one remarried (my maternal grandmother's mother).
My paternal grandfather's mother slept with the lodger while her husband was fighting in the navy (there's a family of half-great uncles out there somewhere we've lost contact with).
My paternal grandmother's mother, despite being widowed in 1924, remained single until she died 40-years later.
My maternal grandfather's mother died before her husband, oddly while in the cinema. I'd love to know what film she was watching...
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Two of mine Sarah and Mary died before their husbands.
Ellen live after her husband for 30 years and never remarried but
Catherine was a widow at the age of 28, brought three children up on her own and was a widow for 54 years. I think she love him ;D
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Three of mine outlived their husband but only by a few years and none remarried.
Interestingly the great grandfather who outlived his wife did remarry!
Kerry
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Of my four
Hannah Carver (nee Saunders) was a widow for 24 years, Elizabeth Griffin (nee Rendall) for only 18 months, Emma Allsop (nee Childs) died 29 years before James (he supposedly remarried but I haven't found the marriage) and Mary Ann Farr (nee Underwood) was a widow for 9 years.
Jan ;)
That's Elizabeth on the left with Albert and my grandma Winifred
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It would be interesting to determine how many years
did they live as a widow or did they remarry.
One of my ggms was widowed at age 35 and remarried 6 years later (bearing two more children), but died when only 58. Her second husband outlived her by just 6 months.
The others were much older when widowed
(a) 68 when ggf died - lived on 7 more years, dying aged 74
(b) 44 when ggf died - lived on 39 more years, dying aged 84
(c) 56 when ggf died - lived on 37 more years, dying aged 93
The last two are my mum's grandmothers. My mum is obviously taking after them - 84 and still going strong. My dad died when my mum was 56.
JULIAN
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My husband's grandmother was a widow for 60 years.
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Have successfully researched all four of my great grandmothers.
Christina Mary Alling born 1874 in New York ... parents were from Denmark ... and died on Mothers Day 1958 ... a widow for 34 years.
Jane / Jennie Cole born 1861 in London .... parents were from England ...and died on her birthday in 1937 in New York ... a widow for 26 years.
Edith Daisey Jory born 1875 in San Francisco,Ca ... parents were from England .... and died 1950 in California. Died 14 months prior to my g grandfather.
Julia Murray Mellis born 1866 in Glasgow ... parents were from Scotland ...and died New Years Eve 1931 in California. Was a widow but I still haven't found my g grandfathers death information.
I have pictures of three of the four. Still looking for a picture of the fourth ... Julia Murray Mellis.
I also have my picture taken with two of them ... Christina and Edith.
They in part have made me what I am today and in their honor I am researching my family tree.
yn9man
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Have successfully researched all four of my great grandmothers.
Christina Mary Alling born 1874 in New York ..
Jane / Jennie Cole born 1861 in London ....
Edith Daisey Jory born 1875 in San Francisco
Julia Murray Mellis born 1866 in Glasgow ...
They in part have made me what I am today and in their honor I am researching my family tree.
yn9man
Nice closing message.
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Zelley -
Thanks for the nice comment.
yn9man
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Zelley -
Thanks for the nice comment.
yn9man
Another neat thing about your four is they cover the territory - Glasgow to London, and
New York - San Francisco.
(think of those key cities when they were there and the changes over the years).
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I think my four great grand mothers must have been memorable women as knowledge, photos and in one case her bible with family history has survived in the family. They are:
Caroline HALL (LANE) b 1825 Frampton Cotterell GLS d 1876 Clifton, Bristol. (GG father remarried)
Annie PALIN (CUNDITH) b 1838 Branston LIN d 1877 Brisbane Q (Known as "poor Annie" as she died from dysentery 10 mths after migrating) (GGfather remarried)
Susannah Rock CARLING (WAREHAM) b 1841 Bedford d 1931 Edinburgh
Mary Jane FOX (ALDERMAN) b 1857 Warwick QLD Australia d 1941 Grafton NSW. Widow for 35 years.
Gazania
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My great grandmothers are.....
Sarah Elvina Button born 3rd August 1874 Barking Essex
Emily Elizabeth Selway born 1848 Bath Somerset (still waiting for her Birth certificate)
Mary Ellen Coles born 25th January 1866 Raunds Northamptonshire
Lydia Tomblin Clarke born 3rd July 1858 in Market Overton, Rutland
I can go back
1 generation from Sarah Elvina Button
2 generations from Emily Elizabeth Selway
Several generations from Mary Ellen Coles
1 generation from Lydia Tomblin Clarke
They all only married once and both Sarah and Emily migrated as children with their parents to Australia - Sarah in 1878 and Emily in 1848 as a very young baby.
Mary Ellen's eldest daughter married the third son of Lydia and they migrated to South Oz as a young married couple in 1911.
The only one I don't have a photo of is Lydia. She died as a youngish woman aged just 45 - as a result of childbirth.
.....dee
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Zelley -
Have been to two of of the four cities --- London and New York, and lived in San Francisco for a few years.
I have seen significant changes in those cities and I can only imagine what my relatives did, saw and lived through.
Hope to get to Glasgow next summer ....
yn9man
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I have a full hand of Great Grandmothers.
Greatgrandfathers ::) well all right, three and a probable notch on a bedpost.
On Father's side,
Gran Sarah with her mother Emily Price/Baker 1840-1931
Grandfather Joe his mother Ann King Johnson/Bartlett 1831-1889
On Mother's side,
Grandfather Willaim Stevens Mathias, his mother Martha John/Mathias, who spoke only Welsh, 1821-1882
and the fun girl,
Gran Harriet with her mother Eliza Ann Smith/Moore/Webb/Wicks....whatever. 1840-1906
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All my great grandmothers were born about 1845. I have Emma Baines (Leicester)
Mary Burch Harvey (Somerset)
Ann Withers (Somerset)
Ann Cavvel (Somerset)
I only have one picture but do have pictures of two great great grandmothers, one born 1805 and one born 1820.
Anne
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My Great grandmothers are
Harriet Smith b. 1850- married Robert Shiel (dads maternal side) Melrose, Scotland
Caroline Berenger Bigg b. 1856- married Edward Charles Ingram (dads paternal side) London
Elizabeth Alice McKinneley 1870 - married David Marshall (mums maternal side) Liverpool
Elizabeth Evans 1861 - married John Warburton Kerfoot (mums paternal side) St Asaph, Wales
Have pictures of Harriet and the two Elizabeths, non of Caroline though, but I have one of her mother in law (Caroline Morrish) and my avatar is her sisiter in law
Cal 8)
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Found my four too!
Lydia Sarah Banks 1872-1948 b Old Stratford, Warks
Sarah Jane Wilkes 1869-1960 b West Bromwich, Staffs
Elizabeth Palmer 1865- b Bristol
Martha Phipps 1849-1924 b Bristol
I love the name Lydia Sarah, sounds so soft and gentle....don't think she was though!
Martha Phipps sounds hard and bossy, but don't know much about her.
Funny how we respond to names, do others find themselves doing this or is it just me being fanciful?
Sue
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I am with you Sue. I find I respond to names too.
Caroline Berenger Bigg is my favourite. It is the Berenger that is a bit on the romantic side for me.... she was illegitimate (and a god awful one to find but she was tracked down eventually as we all knew her as Berenger Cooper..... Cooper was her step fathers name ) I have her natural father as some French aristocrat (but I doubt it and will probably never know)
Again I find that I consider Elizabeth Alice as a soft name but yes I expect she wasn't... hard times and many children
My neice is called Lydia and I have found now that the name is in the Bigg tree not that we had any idea when she was born
Cal 8)
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Somehow names do help you imagine what the person might be like.
As I look like my mother, she like her mother Gran Harriet, I have an idea that Gran looked like her mother, my dreaded Eliza Ann. Now there is a name to breath terror into those who have hunted her down. Eliza Ann sounds very much like a 'working girl' to me, and the man who notched her bedpost, the callous Callus William Webb, who was around just long enough to be my ancestor (please let it be him, we can't find anyone else) well, he was soon off with a girl called Betsy, and we all agree VERY well named.
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I've been particularly interested in my great grandma's. I think the women are pretty influential in the way each generation is raised and that affects the next etc. which in turn, as someone said, makes me what I am - nature and nurture both :)
In memory of and with great respect from your great grandaughter who wishes she had known you all:
Sarah Lloyd b. 1873 Edgerley, Shropshire
Annie Devall b. 1878 Walton on the Hill, Stone, Staffordshire
Alice Besley b. 1882 Croydon, Surrey
Leamantinia Gardner otherwise known as Lemmey - stated year of birth 1888, Carshalton, Surrey but was baptised 05/02/1887 Carshalton so probably a bit older than registered birth date.
I found the other 3 quite easily especially as an aunt had found the first two for me :D I love Annie Devall's name - haven't seen a lot of Devalls and did intend to research her first but got sidetracked ....
by finding Lemmey* who as you can probably tell is my current source of fascination. Her name wasn't even given as Lemmy on my grandmother's birth certificate but as Emily. I know she's Romany as I've now traced her family. However, she is on some census records but I still haven't found her in 1901. There are no photographs :( I wish ...
Not only did I respond to her name ......... I borrowed it for my research board name ;) Finding Lemmey and her family explained a lot about me and my 'little ways' :D
*eventually after lots of false starts and getting the wrong woman totally to start with as I was looking for an Emily. Lemmey was found by sending for my great grandfather's wedding certificate and fortunately the addresses matched (grandma's birth certificate & great grandma/grandfather's wedding certificate = same address) so I knew I'd found her. Never give up :D
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I've been particularly interested in my great grandma's. I think the women are pretty influential in the way each generation is raised and that affects the next etc. which in turn, as someone said, makes me what I am - nature and nurture both :)
Sarah Lloyd b. 1873 Edgerley, Shropshire
Wondering if any of your Lloyd family members have any Welsh connections with the Tilston name
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Tilston is not a name I know but I haven't done much research on that side of the family yet. I will pm you what I have. :)
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Lemmey
Could this be your Lemmey in 1901?
8 Mile Place Carshalton
William Brown Head M 33 Builders Laborer Carshalton
Adelaide do Wife 23 Kent Benenden
Egbert do Son 5 Carshalton
Leomantine (n's look like his u's) Gardiner Sister 12 Carshalton
RG13/579/109 Pg45
Jan ;)
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Ooooo. Can I adopt Leomantine and Egbert?? Would love to have different names like that in the tree. :D
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So would I love those names sgolding but I'm afraid
I just have the following plain names for my great-
grandmas.
Susanna Louisa Hockey b Lambeth, London - 1848
Emma Middleton b Westminster, London - 1857
Alice Annie Rust b Southwark, London - 1861 and
Anna (Annie) Moss b Westminster, London - 1863
Still, a couple of the sur-names are quite interesting !
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Lemmey
Could this be your Lemmey in 1901?
8 Mile Place Carshalton
William Brown Head M 33 Builders Laborer Carshalton
Adelaide do Wife 23 Kent Benenden
Egbert do Son 5 Carshalton
Leomantine (n's look like his u's) Gardiner Sister 12 Carshalton
RG13/579/109 Pg45
Jan ;)
Thank you very very (lots of ;D )much. You have solved not one but 2 mysterys. I have been looking for an Ada/Adelaide who married a Brown as I knew that was the person who raised Lemmey's daughter (my nan). I had found a possible on BDM marriages and can now cross check my info. ;D
Also I have found Lemmey in 1901 - brilliant ;D
She was Adelaide's sister not William's so it should say 'sister in law'.
Absolutely brilliant. Did I say thank you very much ;D
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Ooooo. Can I adopt Leomantine and Egbert?? Would love to have different names like that in the tree. :D
Its actually Leamantinia I believe ;) Bit of a nightmare to search for as enumerators spelt it differently and she's been variously called Leamantinia, Lemantinia, Leman, and now Leomantine ::) Its actually a name thats been used throughout the family (my Leamantinia had an aunt Lemintinia etc).
Because of the more frequent recording of the name Lemantinia I think that is how it would have been pronounced. The only certificate (marriage) I have for her she is called 'Lemmey' ............ well apart from the one where they called her Emily ::)
p.s. The Gardner family is from Kent originally I think and I see you have relatives from there so you never know ;)
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Actually Lemmy
The name is pronounced Lementina, well thats how my grandmother and my Aunts was pronounced
Great name if I do say so myself, shame it has not been carried on through your family and mine
Chellin
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Actually Lemmy
The name is pronounced Lementina, well thats how my grandmother and my Aunts was pronounced
Oops thats what I meant - who put that 'i' in there :-[ ;D
Great name if I do say so myself, shame it has not been carried on through your family and mine
Chellin
I know so I 'borrowed' it for here. I'd quite like to be called Lementina
Thanks for the correction Cuz ;D
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Looking back, one of my great grandmothers was born in 1857.
if she was still with us she would turn 150 in 2007. Well the fact is she passed away in 1922, but thanks to this and other sites,
she remains alive in words and thoughts.
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These are my four great grandmothers.
Helen Martin Cowan - born 1881, Teviothead, Roxburghshire, Scotland, died 1978 Hawick, Roxburghshire, Scotland
Jane (or Jean) Allan McCormick - born 1872 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland, died 1930 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Florence Rose Roper (Ma Hoy) - born 1893, Walcha, NSW, Australia, died 1978, Walcha, NSW Australia
Dorothy Sarah Hayes (Granny Dot) - born 1895, Walcha, NSW, Australia, died 1976, Walcha, NSW Australia
I remember both Ma Hoy and Granny Dot, but my first trip to Scotland wasn't until 2 years after Helen Cowan had died.
Debbie
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Four Trees - Our Great Grandmothers
Kate Elizabeth J Willcox 1869 Woolwich Kent.
Nellie Louise May Adams 1885 Hendon, Middlesex
Emma Sophia Willis 1882 Streatham, Tooting Graveney.
Still working on the 4th Great Grandmother. It bit tougher than the other ones!!!
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These are my four great grandmothers:
Sarah Susannah Oxby b 1849 Birmingham
Mary Elizabeth Semmence b 1865 Birmingham
Margaret Reid b 1865 East Kilbride, Lanarkshire
Janet Hamilton Nicol b 1855 Hamilton, Lanarkshire
and I've managed to trace 7 out of 8 gt gt grandmothers
Jane Wilson b 1830 Motherwell, Lanarkshire
Janet Anderson b 1824 Dalziel, Lanark
Elizabeth Richmond b 1841 Ireland
Jane Johnstone b 1820 Londonderry, Ireland
Mary Roberts b 1831 Birmingham
Ellen Hoare b 1837 Sheffield
Fanny Moore b 1818 Birmingham
The missing one is Sarah Susannah Oxby's mother.
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Fortunately I've got all 8 of my Great-Great Grandmothers too:
Florence Caroline Mary Bignell b. 1871 in Peckham, London.
Emma Laura Belcher b. 1876 in Merton, London.
Berta Foelke b. 1872 in Olesnica, Poland.
Berta Manthei b. 1875 in Olesnica, Poland.
Rebecca Ann Hart b. 1867 in Exeter, Devon.
Mary Ellen O'Callaghan b. 1877 in Cork, Ireland.
Sarah Elsby b. 1855 in Burslem, Staffordshire.
Ellen Burke b. 1859 in Tunstall, Staffordshire.
I like this thread, nice to see so many names :)
Ryan.
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Louisa A. Green - b. 1865 in Raventhorpe, Yorkshire. Became a Salvation Army Officer along with her husband William Platts. It must have been a tough life for the entire family. My grandfather never spoke much about them but I know he ran away to Canada at the age of 15.
Mary A. James - The daughter of a Welsh shipwright, she met and married a Scots Lawyer or Law clerk (who really knows). I think they got divorced but once again...no one talked about it.
Anne Donnelly - Born in Cardiff of a huge Irish family.
Gertrude Gill - My favourite. Her father was a teacher and her grandfather a professor of education, she loved to learn. She was born after her parents returned to England from teaching in Singapore. She fell in love with Charles Alden and followed him to Canada where they were married.
Didn't the women of those days have hard lives? They were truly amazing though!
BTW, I do love reading all of your stories and seeing such a vast array of surnames. Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks to all of those that have made posts on this thread. It continues to be an exciting journey following the greatt grandmothers in their many journeys in the local counties or far away places such as Canada and Australia. I had two go to Canada and one to Australia while the other remained in London Town,
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Dad was an illegitimate, workhouse baby, so I only have three - some recent intriguing information though about his mother's whereabouts around the time of his birth...
Mary Jane Carr - Wiltshire. Lived in Imber; the village which no longer exists since it was taken over by the MoD during WW2.
Fanny Eliza(beth) Bint - Berks/Oxon, later Kent/Sussex border. My favourite just because of her silly name. Lots of twins in her family. She was a twin herself, to brother Herbert.
Priscilla King - Kent. More twins in this family and a King marrying a King which I've avoided dealing with up to now.
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Frances Thomas, (1862-1949), born in Aberyswyth. Her father was a master mariner. A lively woman who liked to tell a good tale- without letting the truth spoil it too much. She was my great grandfather's second wife and taught him to read and write.
Emily Cornelia Romig, (1867-1937), born in Antigua to a missionary family.
Lucy Palmer, (1855-1924), born in Ramsey, Huntingdonshire to a family of Ag. Labs. She was a dressmaker and apparently a nasty old witch (according to my aunt).
Rebecca Palmer, (1854-1935), not related to Lucy as far as I know, but also born in Huntingdonshire, at Brington. She was a nurse. My father remembers that she was old, dressed in black, "and I had to kiss her!"
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Mine were....
Lydia Tomblin Clarke - born in Market Overton, Rutland. She lived in Kings Lynn as a married woman and died at quite a young age.
Mary Ellen Coles born in Raunds, Northamptonshire, and lived all her life there.
Emily Elizabeth Selway - born in Bathwick but came to South Australia as a 1 year old with her parents in 1848.
Sarah Elvina Button - born in Barking, Essex and came to South Australia in 1878 as a 4 year old with her parents. I remember Nanna Sarah quite well as I was 17 when she died.
The only one I don't have a photograph of is Lydia.
......dee
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Found my 4th and missing great grandmother just before xmas (didnt I Patience aka Thriza?)
I have
Emma Fidler (nee Butcher) born Faversham b: 1876
Kate Daisy (nee Law) b 1888
Patience Thriza Twyman (nee Hilden) dont know where she was born as her family were travellers, rumoured to be romany gypsies, but I'm still to find the proof on that one.. - she was hard to find though.. b abt 1896
Jane Louisa Jones (nee Kenealy) born Lydd in Kent 1873
I am lucky to have photos of Emma, Kate and Patience - but not Jane ::)
and I love them all ;D
jax
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Susan GILES b 18 Jul 1852 Hampton Poyle Oxfordshire
Elizabeth Skellet MELLOR b 31 Dec 1850 Aston Warwickshire
Kate CHAMBERS b 3 Nov 1859 Birmingham
Jemima Elizabeth ELLARD b 2 Aug 1863 Birmingham
I also have the eight Gt Gt Grandmothers
Eliza ALLEN b 1827 Middle Barton Oxfordshire
Eleanor HODGES b 1828 Clains Worcester
Elizabeth SKELLET b 1823 Austry Warwickshire
Isabella WILLIAMS b 1816 Birmingham
Ann Maria STANFIELD b 1843 Birmingham
Sarah NEEDLE b 1829 Tadmarton Oxfordshire
Caroline BIRD b 28 Mar 1824 Birmingham
Ann STANDLEY b 1823 Warwick Warwickshire
and 16 Gt GT Grandmothers
Jemima STANFIELD b 1819 Birmingham
Tabitha HAKESLEY b 1794 Braunston Northamptonshire
Elizabeth NEEDLE b 1800 Londonderry
Mary SMITH b 1798 Preston on the Weald Moors Shropshire
Mary Ann RAY b 1786 Birmingham
Maria BLOWER b 1799 Birmingham
Elizabeth TIMMS b 1801 Warwick Warwickshire
Elizabeth KIBLER b 1772 Alveston Warwickshire
Elizabeth MERCER b 1798 Duns Tew Oxfordshire
Mary DUNSBY b 1791 Kidlington Oxfordshire
I'm 8 missing from the next generation back :'(
But its taken me 20 years to find these may be if I'm spared I;ll find the others in the next 20 years ;D
Trees
Mary HARTLAND b 1792 Broadwas Worcestershire
Sarah MOULE b 1794 Ombersley Worcestershire
Ann WILKINS b 1792 Appleby Leicestershire
Pheobe CHESHIRE b 1785 Carlton Leicestershire
Elizabeth HARTLEY b 1778 Birmingham
Maria WILMOT b 1796 ?
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Yes from left to right
Clara Maria Clark b1858 Oundle, Northants, daughter of a watchmaker and married a watchmaker's son, Frederick Douglas of Egham Surrey. He started a bakery in Egham High St.
He Died in 1901 aged 51, leaving Clara with 7 children and a bakery to run. It must have been quite a task. She lived until 1933, the bakery was still going strong, though she left it to her unmarried daughter Ethel, instead of my grandfather Frederick Douglas jun.
Lucy Ann Holmes 1860 - 1906 Born in Birmingham. She was the 10th of 11 surviving children. 6 of her siblings ended up abroad in New York, Winnipeg, and Armidale, NSW, Australia. Her mother died in 1867, and father in 1871 after moving to Worcester. She was brought up by he sister Sue (Susanne). She married William Henry Pullen, a gardener, and had 3 children , but died in 1906. Wiliam later remarried after moving to Staines with his employers. He lived until 1943.
Ann Lee b 1848 in Upperthong, hear Holmfirth in W Yorkshire. She was the daughter of a cordwainer(shoemaker). Her mother died in 1850. The Holmfirth flood was in 1853, this must have had a terrific impact, address at birth was Uppermill, so they were close to the river.
By 1861 the family had moved to Glossop in Derbyshire, though Ann was visiting older married sister in Yorkshire. Ann married twice. 1) In Ashton-under Lyne in 1866 William Aldous, Suffolk born, whose family moved to Derbyshire. By 1881 they were in Worsboro Yorkshire, he was working as a fireman in a mine. William must have died about this time but I never found it. There were two children 2) Edward Jackson my gt grandfather, first an under manager, then a manager of Coal mines in Cheshire and Lancashire. There were two children born in Hyde 1890 and 1891, It appears the marriage did not take place until 1896 though. They lived in Bolton and Bredbury, Edward died in 1921. Within a couple of years, Harry, her son was injured in a pit fall (he was under manager in a colliery). Unable to work in a mine, he moved south with his married sister and Ann went to. She in Shepperton Middlesex, minor films stars would lodge with them from Shepperton Studios. She died aged 92 in 1940. Within months her son-in law and grandson also died.
Eliza Leah. 1858-1895. She was born in Werneth, Cheshire, to a Cotton Dresser. She married Richard Bond Cocks a clerk of Works from Denton, in 1874. They had five children, but Eliza died in 1895. Richard remarried three times, and died in 1925.
Clearly we know more about some than others but without all, I would not be here
Bob
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Hi Stonechat
Where in Worcester did Lucy Ann Holmes family go? I have an Ann Holmes b 1773 in Great Witley Worc. she died in 1858 in Ombersley having married Samuel MOULE she was a daughter of Samuel and Mary HOLMES any connection?
Trees
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Lucy was born Birmingham to William Holmes and Caroline Whately.
William was born in Worcester, and his family must have moved to bbirmingham when he was young.
So he was returning to his birthplace.
In 1881 she was with her sister Susannah Davis at 14 Church Walk Worcester
So sorry there is no connection, unless it is further back.
William's father John Holmes married Susannah Probert on 27 Sep
1812 in Claines, Worcestershire
I have never found baptisms for either
Bob
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OOh Stonechat so many of my lot (220of them) came from Claines looks like our ancestors if not related were definitly neighbours ':)'
Trees
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Yes from left to right
Clara Maria Clark b1858 Oundle, Northants, daughter of a watchmaker and married a watchmaker's son, Frederick Douglas of Egham Surrey. He started a bakery in Egham High St.
grandfather Frederick Doglas jun.
Lucy Ann Holmes 1860 - 1906 Born in Birmingham. She was the 10th of 11 surviving children. 6 of her siblings ended up abroad in New York, Winnipeg, and Armidale, NSW, Australia.
Ann Lee b 1848 in Upperthong, hear Holmfirth in W Yorkshire. She was the daughter of a cordwainer(shoemaker). Her mother died in 1850. The Holmfirth flood was in 1853, this must have had a terrific impact, address at birth was Uppermill, so they were close to the river.
Eliza Leah. 1858-1895. She was born in Werneth, Cheshire, to a Cotton Dresser. She married Richard Bond Cocks a clerk of Works from Denton, in 1874. They had five children, but Eliza died in 1895. Richard remarried three times, and died in 1925.
Clearly we know more about some than others but without all, I would not be here
Bob
Bob, excellent closing comment, thank!
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Hi all!!
My Four were:
Winifred Catherine Kathleen BURKE b. 24/07/1905 in Balham, London. Her family were successful Brickmakers in Birmingham and were originally from Ireland. Her Mother was a Romany Gypsy. Winifred was married to Cecil Leonard "Charles" Hill.
Hildagard Maria MANTHEI b. 1910 in Heinrichswerder, Posen, Poland. She was a hard working Farmers wife, married to Emil Foelke. She was still with us when I was born in '89 but I never met her because she was living in Germany.
Margaret Mabel MUNSON b. 1897 in Newbridge, County Kildare. Her Father was a half-English half-Irish Soldier in the 10th Hussars. Her Mother was an Irish woman. The family travelled around the globe with the British Army but eventually settled in Exeter. Some of her siblings were born in India. Mabel as she was known, was first married to William John Hubert Williams prior to marrying my Great Grandfather Harold Hopkins.
Selina MUSCUTT b. 1890 in Tunstall, Staffordshire. She was married to Leonard Fereday, and they had 9 children.
:)
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- Margaret Bell Noble (1892-1934)
Daughter of Dougal and Jessie S. Noble (Nee Noble). Born Broadsea, 1892.
Married Robert J. Strachan in Dec 1924. The couple had two children.
Died due to Thyrotoxicosis at the age of 42 in Oct 1934 in Aberdeen.
- Christina Bryson (1893-1965)
Daughter of James Bryson and Jane Ann Christie. Born in 1893 although exact date and place of birth unknown. Her father was Scottish and her mother probably Irish. She was thought to have been born in Dumfriesshire although no record of birth exists.
Married Robert Cassie Connon in May 1919 in Hoddom, Dumfriesshire.
Died Sept 1965 in Fraserburgh almost a year to the hour after her late husband.
-Isabella W. Sinclair (1895-1976)
Daughter of George Sinclair and Eleanor Watson. Born 1895 in Fraserburgh.
Married, 1st, James D. Mennin in 1919. Widowed 1921.
Married, 2nd, Edwin Watt in 1925. Widowed 1975 after 50 years.
Died in Fraserburgh 1976.
-Williamina Garden (1912-1973)
Daughter of Samuel Garden and Mary Bella Ross.
Married Alex Beattie in 1936.
Died 1973 at Aberdeen Royal Infirmary.
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On my maternal Grandmother's death certificate, her Mother's name is given as "Unknown". I know that's too often the result when we look at records and it took a while, but I found her and learned some of her story.
MARY MOXHAM - b. 1858 Wiltshire, England, d. 1894 Ulster.
Her first husband died when their daughter was an infant.
Her second husband, my Gt. Grandfather, was a military man. Their first daughter was born at the camp in Aldershot, and their second daughter at the camp in Cavan.
LYDIA OLDS - b. 1839 Ontario, Canada, d. 1916 Saskatchewan, Canada. At age 60 she moved with my Gt. Grandfather and their five children to western Canada where they were homesteaders.
ISABELLA KIDD (KYD) - b. 1832 Dunichen, Angus, Scotland, d. 1858 Nevay, Scotland, mother of three children
BARBARA RAMSAY - b. 1835 Guthrie, Scotland, d. 1882 Guthrie, mother of thirteen children
I honour the memories of these women.
Kathleen
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Kathleen
Lovely to read that you have found Mary Moxham and now honour her publicly! :)
MarieC
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Hi Marie,
Yes, for me that was the great find this year and I thank Rootschat members for their help on this one.
I can't imagine what her life was like, but I do know that her death at the age of 36 greatly affected the lives of her daughters.
Kathleen
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Hi Marie,
Yes, for me that was the great find this year and I thank Rootschat members for their help on this one.
I can't imagine what her life was like, but I do know that her death at the age of 36 greatly affected the lives of her daughters.
Kathleen
Very touching!
A river of tears will never wash away the pain and sorrow for the family
with the passing of a young mother. But, we thank you for sharing a small slice
of life of the "lost mother". May she be a shining light for her daughters'
childrens' children and beyond.
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Mary Judson 1866-1949 married George Linsey
Gt Gt grandmas
Betsy Warriner m Moses Judson
Thanks for your contribution on this thread.
Of interest, in 1881, a Mary Judson from Newark (Upon-Trent)
can be found in Lincolnshire residing at the Becketts Arms Inn.
I guess there would be many interesting stories to tell about the
life & times of the folks at the Inn
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Hi just thought I would add my G grandmas,
Sarah Carroll m. William Henry Wright in Barnsley. S. Yorks.
Annie Smith m. William John Hattersley in Doncaster S. Yorks.
Celia Hudd m James (Orchard) Webb in Stroud Glos.
Fanny Workman m. Edward Eldridge in Bisley Glos.
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Mine are.
Edward Jones. M. Catherine Ann Thomas.
William Henry Owen. M. Jane Barclay.
William Maurice Clark. M. Ellen Eliza Bugg.
George Augustus Hayles. M. Isabella Charlotte Augusta Jude.(Good Name)
The only ones I don't have photos of are William Henry & Jane.
Paul.
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Yes Zelley this was my gt grandma working in a pub. When I told my mum her grandmother worked in such a place she was shocked silly as her grandma was very strait laced--maybe thats why, she had seen what the demon drink had done.......Also a bit of irony here I went on to marry a Mr Beckett!!!So also finished up in Becketts arms......
Mary Judson 1866-1949 married George Linsey
Gt Gt grandmas
Betsy Warriner m Moses Judson
Thanks for your contribution on this thread.
Of interest, in 1881, a Mary Judson from Newark (Upon-Trent)
can be found in Lincolnshire residing at the Becketts Arms Inn.
I guess there would be many interesting stories to tell about the
life & times of the folks at the Inn
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i have managed to trace 3 out of 4, (RICHARDS, VINTON, & PUNNETT) my problem area is my grandfather (WOJCIECHOWSKYJ) who came to england from the Ukraine in WW2, but i have now got an address to write to, to try and obtain his records and so progress back further. fingers crossed.
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I don't know if there's a connection here. Can you tell me if Florence was born in Stoke-on-Trent please.
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Yes Zelley this was my gt grandma working in a pub. When I told my mum her grandmother worked in such a place she was shocked silly as her grandma was very strait laced--maybe thats why, she had seen what the demon drink had done.......Also a bit of irony here I went on to marry a Mr Beckett!!!So also finished up in Becketts arms......
Mary Judson 1866-1949 married George Linsey
Gt Gt grandmas
Betsy Warriner m Moses Judson
Thanks for your contribution on this thread.
Of interest, in 1881, a Mary Judson from Newark (Upon-Trent)
can be found in Lincolnshire residing at the Becketts Arms Inn.
I guess there would be many interesting stories to tell about the
life & times of the folks at the Inn
;D A very interesting close re Becketts Arms
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Hi, mine are
Sarah Jane Mills b Tipton, 1869
Mary Marie Paget b Stourbridge, 1878
Frances Rachel Cantrell b Cheadle, 1869
Clara Matilda Mayer b Stone,1874
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My great Grandmothers are:
Emily Sarah Tabor nee Bassett
Mary Wilkins nee Beary
Annie Millman nee Germaine
Helen Oxlade nee Finch
All these Ladies died prior to my birth and I regret that I could not have talked to any of them as their stories were fascinating
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My great Grandmothers are:
Emily Sarah Tabor nee Bassett
Mary Wilkins nee Beary
Annie Millman nee Germaine
Helen Oxlade nee Finch
All these Ladies died prior to my birth and I regret that I could not have talked to any of them as their stories were fascinating
Wondering where and when they lived!
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My great grandmothers
Emily Sarah Bassett born 1844 Fulham uk lived Holborn, Bermondsey,Adelaide SAus,Kingston SE SAus Osaka Japan.Semaphore SAusand died there 1919.
Mary Wilkins born circa 1840 Wiltshire lived there and in Pewsey Vale in the Barossa Valley SAus.
Annie Germain born 1848 Mt Lofty SAus, lived Kapunda SAus,Broken Hill NSW and died there after surviving 4 Husbands in1921.
Helen Oxlade nee Finch Born 1827 Lane End Buckinhamshire,lived Brompston SAus died there
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My great-grandmothers:
Beatrice Emmeline Judd b.1881 Caterham, Surrey married Thomas William Jones
Florence Naomi Wigzell b.1888 Wanstead, Essex married John Whall
Cordelia Emma Webb b.1855 St Pancras, London married(?!) John Curtis Hare
Sarah Britain b.1866 Shoreditch, London married Richard William Hicks
My grt-grt-grandmothers:
Emma Barnes m. Edward David Hicks
Sarah Holland m. Edward Britain
Martha Genns m. John Hare
Sophia Elizabeth Braddy m. Francis Edward Andrews Webb
Annie Cook m. John Thomas Whall
Frances Finch m. Frederick Wigzell
Mary Langford m. Thomas Edward Jones
Elizabeth Susan Bartlett m. Charles James Judd
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My great great grandmothers.
Bella Birnie (1870-1959), Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire.
Jessie S. Noble (1855-1900), Broadsea, Aberdeenshire.
Elizabeth J. Wilson (1868-1944), Turriff, Aberdeenshire.
Jane Ann Christie (1862-1949), Banffshire/Dumfriesshire.
Margaret Ann Gatt (1865-1953), Pennan, Aberdeenshire.
Eleanor M. Watson (1872-1937), Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire.
Jessie Sim (1894-1982), Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire.
Mary Bella Ross (1889-1946), Peterhead, Abderdeenshire.
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I had one great-grandma still alive in my lifetime - I was lucky enough to meet her once. She lived in England I was lucky enough to meet her when I went there at age 18.
What's fascinating for me is how my great-grandmas show what a mixture I am
Charlotte Sophia SIZER b. 1866 Tasmania
Paula Marie Josephine Jeanette SPECKEN b. 1875 in the Netherlands
Theresa Alice WAGNER (the one I was lucky enough to meet) b. 1888 in Surrey
and
Florence WRIGHT who died very young :( b.1885 in Idle in Yorkshre.
So I have great-grandmas from 3 different countries.
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I only know three of my Great Grans, my mother never knew who her father was.
I was very lucky to know all of them,two of them passed away in my adulthood so I was able to glean lots of information from them ;D
Podbury, London, Wilson (which was changed from Veitch, a long and winding road this lot !!)
Jacqui
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Hi Jacqui and welcome to RootsChat...
You have come to a very good place, with nice people who are a mine of information and will help you demolish any brick walls standing in your path.
Nice to have you with us.
Paula
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I have managed to trace all of my GGrandmothers. They are
Maria Anne Colley b 1884 Tibberton Worcs died 3.7.1965 Wolverhampton. She married George Smith Harris and they only had two children I can find so far. She is the only GGrandmother I knew as she died when I was 18 months old. I have a picture of me sitting on her knee and I wear her wedding ring on my little finger
Annie Jones b 1867 Darlaston and died Wolverhampton. Her birth certificate is proving elusive so I am having a problem tracing her mothers maiden name. She married a Charles Henry Bowkett and had 11 children plus a possible Connie who I cant find and suspect may have been a daughter in law
Mary Ann Mears b 11.2.1859 Wolverhampton who married a Thomas Ralph and had four childen with him before he died aged 29. One of the children Matthew was killed in France in 1916. She then married Henry Hilton and had 7 children with him and there are rumours that there were another 3 that I haven't found trace of yet. One child, Samuel, was killed in Flanders France in 1914, Henry Ralph died aged 1, Lily Elizabeth died when she was 14 and Albert died before he was 1 in 1905
Martha Jane Roberts b 15.3.1879 Wolverhampton died 1901 Wolverhampton. As far as I am aware she only had Lily my grandmother and she was illigitimate
Willow x
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I've also traced all g.g.g.grandmothers, apart from the line my one of my g.grandfather's is descended from. He is my brick wall.
Lizzie
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Three out of four. My mam's dad is a mystery, so can't get any further on his side. I don't know if he was even using the right name. My kids call him the mafia-man, and have made all sorts of things up about his past. Nothing has ever surfaced about him, apart from his name on the birth certificates of my mam and uncle.
The three I have found - Alice Pryke, Margaret Lawson, Esther Campbell
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can i add mine to this illustrious list of great grand mothers they are
Hannah Mary Eva Webb (m lewis ) breconshire
Ellen driscoll (m Stephens)breconshire but of Irish ancestry
Dorcas Geneva Coates (m Williams) pembrokedock area( i love her names gave own daughter Dorcas as second name if i ' d ve known about Geneva she'd 've been called that as well)
Mai ( Mary) Francis (M Jones)glamorgan
M<y daughter are very very lucky they knew all four of my grand parents - unfortunately my partners either died fairly young or just had the enjoyment and skedaddled
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One of my great grandmothers was aunt to another.
Ellin OWEN (Llanddeiniolen 1859-Tregarth 1943) (the neice) mother of nine
Mary Jane GRIFFITHS (Llandygai 1863-Tregarth 1928) mother of five
Winifred ROBERTS (Bryneglwys 1856-Minera 1940) mother of ten
Ellen OWEN (Pentir 1832-Birkenhead 1910) (the aunt) had her one & only child at age 45!
My maternal 2xG grandmother Anne THOMAS (Llandygai 1808-Pentir 1886) and mother of nine, was also my paternal 3xG grandmother. My parents were second cousins once removed. Not sure what that makes me - third cousin to myself perhaps??
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My four ladies:
Mary Jane Routledge 1855 - 05/04/1923
Janet Davidson 23/03/1856 - 07/04/1933
Helen McCutcheon 1835 - 25/03/1914
Margaret Beveridge - 22/09/1843 - 29/04/1902
I only have pics of May Jane and Janet - the latter seems quite formidable! :o
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I think she has lovely steady eyes, stoney.
You should see my Great Gran Emily Price, the Restore Wizards did a wash and brush up (and colour) on her last year....
She looks... awesome.............. :-\
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my gr grandmothers
Fanny Boyd born 1874 in Hull
Hannah Elizabeth Ellis born 1868 in Belchford
Mary Jane Knight born 1855 in Hull
Mary Jane Westoby born in 1855 in Yorkshire
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Great Grandmothers
Eunice Anne Phillips born 1862 Warslow, Staffordshire
Mary Ann Grindrod born 1862 West Hartlepool
Ellen Delahunty born 1868 Manchester
Margaret Booth born 1861 Salford Lancashire
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My Great Grandmothers
Maria Valerie Lippens Born 1877 EEKLO Belgium
Ellen Susanna Mills Born 1854 Hoxton London
Fanny Banks Born 1883 Willenhal Staffs
Jane Hale Born 1866 Birmingham Warwick
And apart from Maria I know all their mum's ;)
Den
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Great Grandmothers
Eunice Anne Phillips born 1862 Warslow, Staffordshire
Mary Ann Grindrod born 1862 West Hartlepool
Ellen Delahunty born 1868 Manchester
Margaret Booth born 1861 Salford Lancashire
Thanks for adding the names, I have a PHILLIPS connection to Warwickshire.
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4 Gt Grandmothers
Ellen Collins from Ireland
Hannah Fuller from Prittlewell in Essex
Sarah Budge (or Mudge) from ?
Mary Ann Ellis from Westminster
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And mine:
Catherine Shaw, born 2/5/1870, Nairn - died 30/8/1939, Nairn
Jane Milne - 1/10/1871, Cruden, Aberdeenshire, died 21/1/1958, Aberdeen
Harriet Knight - Nov. 1864, wedgewood, Staffordshire, died 15/4/1899, Middlesbrough
Sarah Ann Bland - 1865, Aiskew, Bedale, North Yorkshire, died 1939, Co.Durham
G.G Grandmothers: seven of them - if I ever find the eighth, you will hear me shouting, wherever you are!
Ermina Cant - 1839, Brightlingsea, Essex,
Margaret Smith, c1820, Nairn, died 1886, Nairn
Jane Raitt - 6/11/1849, Aberdeen - 22/11/1909, Skene, Aberdeenshire
Margaret Daniel - 1848, Cruden, died Aberdeen
Jane White - c1830, Staffordshire ( Wednesbury or Cannock), died 1895, Middlesbrough
Sarah Bushby - 1826, Northallerton, N.Yorkshire
Mary Iley, 1823, Yarm, N. Yorkshire
Jen
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My four Great Grandmothers are;
Emma Eliza Cooper, born Wednesday 30th January, 1850. Gloucester Street Sydney, Australia.
Edith Bonnin Thomas, born Wednesday 27th September, 1865. Downie Terrace, Newcastle, Australia.
Emma Florence Goodwin, born Wednesday 11th October, 1848. Somewhere in London.
Sarah Handy, born Saturday 6th April, 1844. 19 Pilgrim Street. Walworth Common, Newington, Surry.
I also have all eight of my G-G Grandmothers but I'm still missing five of my G-G-G Grandmothers. They are Mrs Jones and Mrs Robert, somewhere in Conway, North Wales. Mrs Handy in Aston Juxta Birmingham, Mrs Instant somewhere in Stepney and Louisa Constance Mrs Innis sailing the seas between Scotland and Portugal.
Hopefully I'll find them in the next twenty years of research.
Lovely ladies all. (Well most) One or two were very adventurous, sailing on whaling voyages and living in tents on the gold fields, but they survived to pass on their genes. ;) Which is the whole point of life and genealogy.
Leonie.
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My four gt grandmother's are :-
Elizabeth Roebuck b 1837 Yorkshire
Sarah Riley b1848 Cheshire
Charlotte Goddard b 1829 Cheshire
Elizabeth Greaves b 1837 Cheshire.
I have recently managed all 8 gt gt grandmothers
Elizabeth Hellawell, Hannah Kenyon, Lucy Harrop, Ann Collier, Tabitha Ingham, Peggy Shepley, Martha Ashworth and Hannah Broadhurst.
I only have 6 of the 16 3X gt grandmothers, still working on it.
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Hi,
my four gt grandmothers are:
Charlotte Elizabeth ELLIS, b 1876, Liverpool.
Ann COLLINS, b 1876, Liverpool.
Isabella DUTTON, b 1878, Liverpool.
Mary Elizabeth Jane BIBBY, b 1886, Liverpool.
I have also found all 8 gt gt grandmothers. :D
And found 11 out of 16 gt gt gt grandmothers, 2 of the missing 5 are from Ireland ;D
I have photographs of all of my gt grandmothers, except Charlotte, but hopefully it's on it's way as I have just been in contact with someone who has one. Charlotte married George MCLENNAN, they had 4 children, the first 2 died before their first birthdays.
Looking at my gt grandmother Mary, you wouldn't want to mess with her ;D :o But, my mum says she was a lovely, warm grandma, nick- named Mammy Mo. She says she had a very big squishy knee to sit on :D Mary married Harold MASON. Her daughter, my grandmother told me her father was killed 2 weeks before WW1 ended, being the eldest, she had to leave school to help Mammy Mo with her 5 younger siblings.
Ann married Robert Parry BALL, and was widowed young, after having 3 children. She later married Henry LAW. I have her church bible with all the little cards inside. It has been well used and loved.
I actually met Isabella, she died when I was 10, a very small lady. She married John MILLER (my biggest brick wall) They had 8 children, 1 girl and 7 boys who all served in WW2. I have some great pics of them all in uniform.
Red :)
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For the recent contributions, thanks for your participation in keeping the memory of our great grandmothers front and center
where they belong.
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My gt-grandmothers are:
Beatrice Olive BOWYER (1883-1972) of Woodville, South Australia.
Emma Louise PIKE (1872-1925) of Poole, Dorset.
Florence May CHESSON (1895-1987) of Thebarton, South Australia.
Gertrude Olive SHAW (1893-1953) of Kent Town, South Australia.
While two were alive in my lifetime, gt grandma Florrie is the only one I remember.
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ethel hammond 1879-1949 rothwell to castleford, did own a guesthouse in scarborough for a time
alice harper 1875-1936 born in hambleton moved to castleford
miranda amelia mincher 1886-1968 lived in castleford all her life. i should remember her but i can't, i know i met her often
clara ruddock 1885-1941 lived in hunslet, leeds all her life
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Mine are
Elizabeth Sweeney born 1838 in India, outlived 2 husbands, had 10 children, moved around the world with her husband who was in the Indian Army, died in Dublin.
Elizabeth Leahy born c 1850 Donegal spent all her life there as a farmer’s wife, brought up 12 children, at least 2 of whom emigrated to Toronto.
Mary Jane May born 1851 Bampton, Oxfordshire also outlived 2 husbands. She died Oxfordshire in 1931 having lived much of her life in Newington, South London where she met and married my great grandfather. Mary had 8 children, 4 by each of her husbands.
Eliza Stebbings born 1864 in Newington, South London where her father was a policeman. Died in 1895 of consumption when my grandfathe, her only child, was 3.
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I have:
Elizabeth Cousins b1857 in Wymondham, Norfolk. Moved to Durham in the 1860s with her family. Had just 3 children as far as I know.
Susanna Holland Bradford Stockley b1856 in Wareham, Dorset. Her mother was a Bradford and her gran was a Holland. Had 7 children.
Lucy Sear b1858 in Woodbury, Cambridgeshire. Had 10 children.
Christiana Sophia Amey b1866 in Haverhill, Suffolk. Had just 2 children. Husband was a Police Constable in London for 20-30 years.
I have also found all 8 of my 2nd great grandmothers. One never married.
All but two of my 15 third greats too. The two remaining are lost in Middlesex and Westmeath somewhere.
Paul
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My Great Grandmothers
Emily Cane of Cambridgeshire/London/Sussex (b. 1877)
She was of Romany and English blood. Her husband was English and French.
Married a womanizing drunk who ran off with other women often. Had five children, 3 boys and 2 girls. Lived in abject poverty, in a slum where the local residents built a wall around the area they were living in to keep the two places separate. Her two daughters allegedly died of starvation but there has always been some suspicion over their deaths especially as neither their births and deaths were ever registered.
Florence Maud Amelia Braham (the only one I ever knew - Nan) from London (b. 1905)
Of Romany/Irish and Jewish blood. She was a drunk and didn't really have emotions. She had two children, my grandmother and her little brother, Eddie. After my great grandad died she married a much younger fellow drunk who tried to poison her.
Elizabeth Maria Anderson of Drumavady, County Antrim
My Irish grandmother's mother. Married Samuel Killough. Had 3 daughters, the eldest of whom died as a baby.
Mary Elizabeth MacRoberts of Saintfield, County Down
Not a nice woman...basically.
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I have:
Susanna Holland Bradford Stockley b1856 in Wareham, Dorset. Her mother was a Bradford and her gran was a Holland. Had 7 children.
Paul
Good to see the Dorset connection.
Is Susanna the same Susanna that married Henry Thomas Turner
in the late 1870's, and did they ever reside in Parkstone.
My Dorset kin were mainly in the Weymouth region, but one
Richard Zelley did live in the Wareham area for a few years and
did pass away in Parkstone area.
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I have 4 Great Grandmothers
Rachel Hankinson b1903 Pity Me, Durham (my Nana - we used to stay at her house at Christmas)
Mary Emily Susan Wiseman b 1882 Bishop Auckland, Durham
Margaret Winifred Salisbury Jones b 1894 Chester
Hannah Bide Wray b 1890 Hartlepool Durham
8 GG Grandmothers
Sarah Jane Cruddas b 1873 Pity me, Durham (she has been the most difficult of them!)
Elizabeth Young b 1864 Hebburn, Durham
Jane Waterhouse b 1858 Bishop Auckland, Durham
Dinah Smart b 1856 Hawkesbury, Glos
Margaret Salisbury Jones b1858 Llanfihengel, Anglesey ( a real problem - Jones married Jones, daughter of a vicar)
Agnes Anne Bettington b 1870, died at the young age of 37, had a policeman husband who was a womaniser and had at least 3 wives and numerous girlfriends (not all at the same time - but they did overlap - tut tut) - she was from Tything of the Whitstones, Worcs
Kezia Gray b 1857 Hackney, London, daughter of a Baptist Minister (this is the holy generation!!)
Sarah Rouse b 1855, Staffs
My G Grandmothers were close together - but before that the family was spread out before they all headed north (obviously the place to be.....)
Claire
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Four G Grandmothers were.
Louisa BATES b. Walworth 1870 d. Battersea 1912 married to George ROSE
Annie SMITH b. Clapham 1881 d. Thornton Heath 1963ish married to Albert Edward SPARKES
Caroline Elizabeth PYE b. Upper Marsh, Lambeth 1880. d. 1915 Brompton Hospital. married to Harry CUTHBERT.
Eliza Mary KNOWLES b. St Anne Soho, Westminster 1876 d. 1953 Kentish Town.MArried to Charles George ROSE
That makes 2 G Grandfathers with the same surname.
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At least your two with the same name aren't called John Smith, as my maternal greats are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jen
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that wouldn't be good.
I have sympathy. i'm hunting a Thomas BROWN in London.
I also have a SMITH line and a Collins line.
Oh well !!!!!!!!!!
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My four Great Grandmothers were:-
Lilian Candler, b.1868 Brixton Hill, Surrey, died 1931.
Elizabeth Janes Lewis, b.1875 Aberayron, Cardiganshire, died 1956 Llandovery, Camarthenshire.
Kate Taylor, b.1867, Portsea, Hants, died 1950 Portsmouth.
Violet Florence Garner, b.1880, Wolverton, Bucks, died 1956, Bedford.
Sadly I never knew them.
KateW.
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Hi
I've got all my great grandmothers, their maiden names were Sankey, Williams, Hunt & Atkinson.
Got 7 definate G G Grandmothers and their husbands), Dodd, Billingham, Lee, Redfern. Round, James & Kennerley - the eighth is an Elizabeth I think (my brickwall wall) ::)
Joan
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mine are as follows
Annie Elizabeth Beverley born 1883 Hunslet England died ??
Matilda Gertrude Gleadell born 1881 died ??
Mary Bowden born 1883 Ashbrittle Somerset died 1972
Elizabeth Edith Lane born 1894 wellington somerset died 1965 north curry somerset
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Jane Caunce b.1886 Lancashire - married Smith
Mary Elizabeth Tattum b.1860 Flintshire - married Powell
Catherine Hughes b.1892 Flintshire - married Wood
Mary Catherine Messham b.1897 Flintshire - married Rosedale
Lisa.
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Here are my "women behind the men":
Christian Jack-born Strichen Aberdeenshire, died Kogarah NSW Australia
Helen Sophia Robbie-born Bibbenluke NSW, died Griffith NSW
Elizabeth Liddiard- born Brentwood Middlesex, died prob Sydney NSW
Catherine Cochrane, born "in the Highlands of Scotland"!!!, died Nimmitabel NSW
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Hello muppetprincess, nice to see you on the board.
You're going to have fun here, I can almost guarantee it. ;D
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Mine are :-
Susan DOWZARD b. 1850 = John Edward BOSHELL 1874 Dublin, d. 1882.
Matilda JONES b. Enniskillen 1843 = George Fisher 1863 M/c. d. 1920.
Ann KAY b. Edinburgh 1850 = James Clulo, Tutbury 1972, d. Marple, Cheshire 1942 aged 92.
Eliza Ann MCNEILL b. Forkhill,Co. Armagh = Henry Kane, Forkhill 1871 d. Glasgow aged 53, 1904.
[Three Irish ones no proper birth records as yet!]
Kooky
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Great-grandmothers, in no particular order:
Elizabeth Kempster (1851-1935), married Thomas Pine; place of origin Buckinghamshire
Jane Smith (1856-1924), married Erik Magnus Lindquist/Lundquist; Ayrshire
Sarah Jane Edwards (1862-1947), married Joseph Sando; Cornwall
Harriet Carrington (1879-1952?), partner unknown; South Australia
Darren
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My Gt Grandmothers:
Harriet Ann Holdsworth (nee Wells) 1877 - 1960 b. Bradford
Edith Esther Hardisty (nee Grange) 1874 - 1951 b. Lynn Norfolk
Catherine Wedgeworth (nee Knox) 1876 - 1954 b. Paisley
Mary Ann Gaunt (nee Austin) my woman of mystery, ?1861 in Kirkstall and died abt 1937 (no record). No mother or father listed for her on official records.
regards,
Jill
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Annie Brittain 1889-1956
Cecilia Theresa Healy 1887-1958
Praskovia Alexandrovna Zanin c1874-1932
Olga Zirianoff ?-?
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For all those recent additions, thanks to all.
Please consider adding a photo.
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Of the four, which I have put up earlier,
Eliza Ann Smith/Moore/Webb?/Challis?/Wicks
Martha Mathias
Ann Bartlett
Emily Baker,
The only one I have a photo of is Emily Baker, thanks to the restoration people on here, because that was fading fast.
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My four Gt/Grandmothers:
Elizabeth Anderson b Sept 1876 Orkney d May 1976 Glasgow. Married to Joshua Gourlay.
Elizabeth Beard b Ollera NSW Aust d 1936 Glen Innes NSW. MArried to Robert George McCarthy.
Annie Elizabeth Discher b Germany d 1907 Bathhurst NSW. Married to Arthur Allen Knauff.
Elizabeth Jack b 1856 St Nicholas Aberdeen d 1947 Glasgow. Married to Neil McVicar
Joy
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Rachel Hannah Howard 1865 - 1939 Warwickshire
Katherine Walker 1865 - 1917 Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Tongue 1865 Birmingham
Minnie Eliza Wareham 1871 Birmingham
No photos unfortunately
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Here are my photos of Harriet Ann Wells and Edith Esther Grange:
Kindly restored by the wonderful RootsChat restorers
Jill
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My Four Great Grandmothers are as follows -
Ethel Harling (1898-1967). Born in Preston to Charles and Alice (nee Wilson), she was one of at least 13 children born between 1888 and the 1910s. She lost both of her parents whilst still a teenager, some of her siblings when they were small and one of her brothers died at Ypres. She married Henry Smith in Preston and had three children, of whom only one is still alive.
Elizabeth Veronica Clegg (1908-1981). My youngest great grandmother, she was born two days before Christmas in Preston in 1908 to Joseph and Mary (nee Willis). Like Ethel, she was one of around 13 children, eight of whom fought in WW2, one dying in a plane crash in Malta in late 1942. She married a London-born greengrocer called James Maynard, who actually had an horse and cart to sell his produce from. She was known as Vera rather than Elizabeth. She died on Christmas Day in 1981 after being ill for quite some time.
Beatrice Scowcroft (1901-1957). Beatrice was born in 1901 in either Preston or the Chorley area to James and Mary Ann (nee Callaghan). As seems to be the rule for my great grandmothers, she was born into a large family. She married Leyland-born James McKenna and had four children surviving to adulthood, although five died during pregnancy. She was killed by a drink driver in the late 1950s.
Elizabeth Alice Moxham (1897-c1935). Elizabeth was born in Preston out of wedlock to Ellen Moxham and named after two of her aunts. Unlike the other three of my great grandmothers, she appears to be an only child, although she did grow up for a while with her cousin, who would later emigrate to Pennsylvania to become a steel mill worker. She married Lewin Henry Ricketts, who fought in WW1 and took part in the last British cavalry charge. They had three children before Elizabeth passed away sometime in the 1930s - she had polycystic kidneys adn the disease has been passed on to many female members of my maternal family. Lewin remarried around 1946.
Stephen :)
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My 4 Great-grandmothers were :
Elizabeth Harris born Rowley Regis, Staffs 1842. Died 1913
Elizabeth Pugh born Halesowen, Worcs. 1857. Died 1938
Sarah Jane Bowater born Cakemore, Halesowen, Worcs. 1867, died 1963
Hannah Mor(e)ton born Rowley Regis, Staffs 1876, died 1953.
Margaret
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My four great grandmothers were:
Charlotte Barwell, born 6/7/1851 in Gretton, Northants, died 16/4/1935 in Greenwich. Charlotte's stepfather and brother were both bakers, and she married my ggfather William Thomas Wade, who was also a baker in 1871. She had 8 children, two of whom died before her. A hard life, if family accounts are to be believed.
Victoria Adelaide Barham, born 25/3/1865 in Ightham, Kent, died 1913 of breast cancer. Victoria Adelaide was brought up by her stepfather Barham, and married under that name, but her true surname was Corke - her mother had been married previously to a Richard Corke who was a seaman on HMS Victoria. She was a loving sister to 11 half siblings, and had 12 children herself. Two of them died in what must have been the most appalling time of her life in January 1893, aged 5 and 3, whilst my grandfather, aged 4, survived.
Ann Kesneer, born 1848 in Antwerp, Belgium. She came to England in approximately 1875 and married Victor Desire Van Steenhoven, also from Antwerp, who was apparently as flighty as his name suggests. She had 6 children.
The final great grandmother I know only as Mary Ann Burton - I haven't found her maiden name or her marriage details to my great grandfather. Mary Ann will probably have lived in the greatest poverty, being born in c 1851 in Whitechapel in London, and spent her life in the worst parts of East London, her husband a dock labourer in constant search for work and money.
When I started this research I was struck by the thought that all those pictures of Victorian street urchins which I had previously tutted over, could really have been my forebears. I raise my glass to them all.
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When I started this research I was struck by the thought that all those pictures of Victorian street urchins which I had previously tutted over, could really have been my forebears. I raise my glass to them all.
May your glass be raised very high . Thanks so much for this closing comment
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Thank you Zelley. I'm sure I'm not alone in finding that this research brings, perhaps surprisingly amongst all the other reasons why we do it, a great sense of gratitude and appreciation of those who went before.
When one has a "down" moment, our forebears are able to bring comfort.
Here's to them!
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And it can change our oppinions of them, Igor.
I was scared of my Gran Harriet, when I was little.
Now I know what she was battling with, trying to make sense of her parentage. Wish I could give her a hug and say I've sorted it.
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I feel the same way about my Dad's Grandmother Paula. We only have 1 dour little photo of her that we cropped from my Grandma's wedding photo. I confess Mum and I used to laugh at it often, especially because she is wearing a less than flattering hat!!!
Then I found out that she was an illegitimate child and lost her Mum aged 10. She lived with her Aunt until she was married at 19 and lost the cousin she was brought up with just months before her wedding. She had 6 children which she raised herself when her husband died in 1906 when my Grandma was 4 years old. Her 2 eldest sons were killed in WW1 in France in 1917 and the 3rd son died later, of a war related condition. I know her story was common. I ask myself every day how they had the resilience to keep going!!! It's no wonder she looked "weighed down" in the photo.
Cheers,
Jill
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Hi Jill, there's something in this family tree hobby that makes you look at the world in a different light, isn't there.
It let's you see how wonderful our ancestors were, not for being great or doing great things, just for keeping going.
When Grandfather Joe died, Gran Sarah had half a dozen kids, the youngest a baby in arms. No pension, no handouts. So she opened a shop in her front room and sold ice cream and sweeties.
Couldn't do that now, of course, but she fed herself, and her family.
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I heartily agree with your comments about understanding
the stories and realizing how hard life was for many of our ancestors.
I have a photo of two sisters born in the mid 1800s who, at first look, seem to be quite stern and when a family member remarked on their facial expressions I told them about their lives.
One of them had physical difficulties, never married, but was a wonderful Aunt in the family.
The other woman had seven children and was left a widow
when they were young. They all survived and went on to live useful lives.
When I look at old photos, I have a habit of looking at the peoples' hands because they tell so much about them.
Kathleen
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Hi Paula and Kathleen,
I heartily agree! I don't have any one in my tree who has the least claim to fame, but my goodness the resilience of these people.
I was lucky to meet up with a "cousin" from one branch of my family, on-line, who has access to a family bible and has documented first hand anecdotal information on his side of the tree.
My Gt Gt Grandmother's sister married my Gt Gt Grandfather's brother at the age of 16 years and they emigrated to the USA. It is their Gt Grandson who I communicate with and I have his permission to reproduce what he sent to me:
Henry & Sarah Wells
“Five children were born in England, three are buried there (George, Ernest and William) Susann and Arthur came to America with Henry and Sarah in the summer of 1872. Susann died in childbirth with her only daughter Emma. She is buried in the Clear Lake Cemetery South Dakota. Three others died in infancy after they arrived in the USA and 1 died at 19 years when struck by lightening.
In 1883, Henry and Sarah homesteaded land in Clear Lake SD. In that house, both my Grandfather (the last of 16 children) and my dad were born. They eventually lost the land when they were unable to pay the taxes.
Great grandmother Sarah, while pregnant built an addition to the original house that was used as a kitchen and dining room. Generally, it would seem everything she did was in this condition. They say Sarah was strict and severe, but she was always kind and gentle to my dad who was her son’s only child”
I think this says it all about the times they lived in. They suffered so much loss of every kind and then got up and built an extension on the house and were nice to their grandson! An Aunt this "cousin" talked about, walked half a mile to carry her own water and chop wood aged 90!!!
I think that these women, our ancestors, were totally special people and deserve to be remembered into prosterity!!
Cheers,
Jill
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They were a lesson to all the moaners who want everything handed to them these days, and that's for sure.
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I heartily agree with what has been said lately on this thread.
Our ancestors certainly had it hard compared to today.
I personally have never been interested in finding a 'famous' or really well to do ancestor. I like my ancestors being Ag Labourers, Pumbers, Gasfitters, Painters, etc. They were all down to earth people probably, just like me.
If i found for instance that i had an ancestor who was a well known politician i would not feel a great connection personality wise to myself.
Pilgarlic
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Hi Paula and Kathleen,
I heartily agree! I don't have any one in my tree who has the least claim to fame, but my goodness the resilience of these people.
I think that these women, our ancestors, were totally special people and deserve to be remembered into prosterity!!
Cheers,
Jill
Very excellent opening and closing comments
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I only have pictures of one of my great grandmothers, Winifred Roberts Carrington. I don't know when the younger picture was taken but the older one is from a golden wedding portrait in 1927 at age 71.
Winifred was the mother of ten children. She lost her first child at almost 15 months of age, just six weeks prior to giving birth to her second in 1879. That must have been very hard. The rest of the children survived into adulthood. In 1906 one of her daughters emigrated to Canada at age 20. In 1907 another daughter died at age 18 (peritonitis). In 1911 Winifred lost a third daughter at age 21 (pneumonia).
I can't imagine the pain of losing one child - let alone three - she must have been a very strong lady and I'm very proud to be one of her great grandchildren.
Heather
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I only have pictures of one of my great grandmothers, Winifred Roberts Carrington. I don't know when the younger picture was taken but the older one is from a golden wedding portrait in 1927 at age 71.
can't imagine the pain of losing one child - let alone three - she must have been a very strong lady and I'm very proud to be one of her great grandchildren.
Heather
God post, thanks!
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Heather, your GG Winifred aged beautifully!
It was amazing how they coped with the pain that life dealt in those times. It seems to be a pattern in my family that these tragic deaths were just repressed and the people never spoken about again, but surely it must have caught up with them in the long term!
Jill
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Heather, your GG Winifred aged beautifully!
It was amazing how they coped with the pain that life dealt in those times. It seems to be a pattern in my family that these tragic deaths were just repressed and the people never spoken about again, but surely it must have caught up with them in the long term!
Jill
The University of Buffalo recently released a study indicating that a "stiff upper lip" may be the best way to deal with shock rather than letting your feelings spill out. Perhaps the old ways were best after all. I think that very strong religious beliefs also must have helped them to cope - a certain sense of "God's Will" being done etc. Winifred's last surviving grand-daughter - my auntie - will be 88 next week and she remembers her very clearly as she was 20 when the family "matriarch" Winifred died at the age of 84 in 1940. One of several amazing ladies I have discovered in my quest for roots!
Heather
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Hi Heather,
Do you have any further details about that studyat all, it's the first I've heard of it. I am involved in academic research and am very interested in anything new in the area of human resilience or in more trendy terms, Emotional Intelligence.
It doesn't surprise me about the "stiff upper lip" findings, but the acceptance that belief in a high being contributes as well, is very interesting (or the fact that it is accepted by academics, that is). Do you know who the researchers are by any chance please?
kind regards,
Jill
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Hi Jill
Sorry for the confusion, but the "faith" theory is not drawn from academic study. The "stiff upper lip" theory was published in the June issue of the Journal of Consulting & Clinical Psychology according to this article.
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1812204,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
Heather
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Thanks so much for the URL Heather, very interesting, I'll see if there's anything published on the University website as well. Even more interesting was the related article on "Genes and post traumatic stress!!!
regards,
Jill
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With each post, we have a growing tribute to our many great grandmothers with so many interesting stories of their times and their struggles.
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My Grandma Edith May Walters(who wrote the stories I have put on another thread)seems to have been a very strong lady.
I have stories she wrote about her holidays all over Europe in the 1960's.
For a woman in her 70's then,to travel ,alot of times by herself, to different countries, seems a pretty amazing feat to me.
Not only did she raise 7 boys on her own after her husband died, she did so during the War, helped alot of others with her work in the Salvation Army and then found the courage to travel, I only hope I'm as strong as that when I hit that age!!!!
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I take my hat off to anyone raising 7 boys on their own!!! I don't know how your Grandma did it, I'm raising 1 boy alone and it's a tough and relentless job!!! ???
The thing I envy about the times they lived in was the fact that they had that strong community spirit around them. The old saying "it takes a village to raise a child" is so true and they seemed to have that 1 and 2 hundred years ago.
My Gt Grandmother raised 12 children in a tiny terrace home in West Bowling, Bradford with an outdoor toilet. They only had 2 bedrooms and they all slept in 2 double beds in the one tiny bedroom and their parents had the other bedroom, but the siblings all grew up close and looked after each other and their parents all their lives. No one was abandoned to the state to be cared for, and they all lived to mid 80s and 90s.
Jill
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Re: unmarried ancestors...
Sometimes there is a clue in the baptism or birth cert [father's name will be slipped in as a christian name] but it is frustrating particularly WW1 when there was just a " + " put under father's name which means the vicar knew the dead soldiers name but wasn't allowed to write it down...
My gt grans were Ames [Kempston, Bedfordshire]; Blackwell [West London]; and then the Irish lot!
cathy
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Theresa Nolan 1874-1918 born Wellington NZ, Irish father, Kiwi mother, married Walter Clapham
Miriam Mannington Faulconer 1864-1953 born Sussex, married Alfred Clarke in Canada, came to NZ 1894
Sophia Emily Remington 1877-1929 born Masterton NZ, married Arthur Abraham Harris
Emily Olive Udy 1882-1967 born Greytown NZ, married Ernest Otto Leppien, met her a few times
Ian C
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Good to see a few additions in June.
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So far I have all 4 pairs of great grandparents.
I have 6 of 8 pairs of 2great grandparents, the missing pair are my paternal grandfather's grandparents.
I've found 12 of 16 sets of 3great grandparents, again all 4 missing pairs are on my paternal grandfather's side.
And 12 of 32 pairs of 4great granparents (8 of those missing pairs are as above, only because I am missing my paternal grandfather's grandparents.
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I have all 8 great grandparents. And can go back a couple of generations further on all except my mother's maternal grandmother. On my fathers line I can go back to my 10th great grandfather. I don't have documentation for all the people but I do have fairly reliable source citations.
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Some of the earlier names mentioned:
Baker, Eldred, Evans, Fairburn, James, Jones, Lewis, Kelly, McCallum,
McGee, Mills,Moore, Mortimer, Owen, Pierce, Reeves, Roundtree,
Smith and Wilson.
Four of those are mine including Baker, Lewis, McGee and Smith.
Baker and Lewis died in Canada, McGee in Australia and Smith in London, England.
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Just bookmarking, so I can find the topic again tomorrow - well later today!
Lizzie
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Lizzie
Looking forward to your listings
Brian :)
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Brian
Had a "traumatic day with my laptop, ::) ::) :'( so will post the photos of my g.grandmothers tomorrow. I did list their names way back, but thought I'd give some more information and photos, now I've sorted out which photograph belongs to which g.gran (thanks to lovely Rootschatters on the photo restoration board).
Lizzie
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My maternal g.grandmothers were Alice Catherine Brand and Alice Pemberton. My paternal g.grandmothers were Maria Collett and Selina Stanton Mumby.
G.Grandmother Alice Catherine Brand – was born in 1847 in Northampton, the eldest of 6 children. Her father was a hairdresser and parfumier and travelled the country doing hair for upper class ladies. Not surprisingly by the age of 4 was living with her aunt and uncle (a coachman) in Sussex. At age 14, she was living in Lincolnshire with another Uncle (a publican) working as a house servant. She married aged 20 to a baker, and moved to Manchester. She had 7 children, a boy dying aged 4 and a girl dying aged 5. Unfortunately, she died aged 53, leaving the other 5 children, one of whom died aged 15 the year after his mother. Her husband lived another 10 years.
G.Grandmother Alice Pemberton – was born in 1843 in Kingsley, Cheshire, the 6th of 11 children. Her father was a butcher and farmer. At 18 she was still living at home with 7 other siblings, despite the fact that her father had died the previous year. She married aged 28 a couple of years after her mother’s death, her husband being a butcher like her father. She had 6 children, 3 girls followed by 3 boys. Her husband died aged 45 and she carried on the butchery business until she died aged 65.
G.Grandmother Maria Collett – was born in 1843 in Halesworth, Suffolk, the third of 8 children. Not surprisingly, her father was an agricultural labourer. Sadly her mother died when she was about 18. She married aged 21 in Norfolk to a fisherman. They could both write and signed the register with their own names. By 1876 the family was living in Hull. They had at least 5 children that I’ve found so far, but sadly one died aged only 2. Before the 5th child was born, her husband had apparently died, but a few years later she had “remarried” another fisherman and had 3 more children. She lived to be 85, her second husband who was many years younger outliving her.
G.Grandmother Selina Stanton Mumby – was born in Hull in 1859 the youngest of 8 children. Her father was a cowkeeper at the time living at 71 Alfred Street. By 1871 the family had moved to 16 Alfred Street and her father was a Carter. The family were at the same address when she married in 1879, aged 20. Her new husband was a labourer at the time, but they could both write as they signed the register with their names, rather than a cross. Indeed her husband was a Marine Engineer at the time of his death. They had 6 children, 3 boys and 3 girls. Unfortunately, Selina’s husband died aged 35 when the youngest child was only 6 months old and she was left a widow to bring them up on her own. Sadly, Selina died aged 40 only 7 years later, leaving 6 orphaned children. Unfortunately I have no photographs of either Selina or her children, apart from some of one of her children, my grandfather as an adult, so I’ve put his posted his photograph.
Lizzie
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I only just joined this site yesterday. My family of Hallford/Halford/Allford came from Madely, Shropshire. Edward and Sons Levi and Richard. The Richard was my GG Grandfather. Love to speak to you.
Richard Hallford
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I only just joined this site yesterday. My family of Hallford/Halford/Allford came from Madely, Shropshire. Edward and Sons Levi and Richard. The Richard was my GG Grandfather. Love to speak to you.
Richard Hallford
Welcome Richard. looking forward for your list of four great grandmothers.
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I can go into rootschat right now if thats convienent.
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My great grand mothers. All lived in Ireland like myself.
Mary O'Connell born 1863 Kiskeam, Co.Cork Ireland died 1903 given birth to my grandfather. She was the daughter of Jeremiah O'Connell & Nora O'Keeffe. Her paternal grandparents were Philip O'Connell & Julia Murphy.
Mary O'Connell born 1875 Blueford, Co.Cork Ireland died 1949. She was the daughter of Timothy O'Connell & Ellen Clifford. Her paternal grandparents were James O'Connell & Julia O'Keeffe. Her maternal grandparents were John Clifford & Margaret O'Shea. Spent a few years in Boston, USA but returned to Ireland. Her mother in law maiden name was O'Connell as well.
Hannah Galvin born 1880 Bawnaglanna, Co.Kerry, Ireland died 1951. She was the daughter of John Galvin & Margaret Dennehy. Her paternal grandparents were Cornelius Galvin & Julia Brosnan. Her maternal grandfather was Daniel Dennehy wife unknown.
Catherine Cremins born 1895 Muingvautia, Co.Kerry, Ireland died 1979. She was the daughter of Denis Cremins & Hannah Murphy. Her paternal grandparents were Denis Cremins & Hannah Brosnan. Her maternal grandparents were Michael Murphy & Catherine Reidy. I have two of her great grandparents Edmund Murphy & Denis Reidy.
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I have an update to my own because I've found all my GGrandmothers. Sorry that this is so long, but I'm excited at having found all of them!
The first is my paternal side:
Mary Elizabeth Tattum 1860-22 FEB 1946, eldest child of Margaret Borrow from Lancashire, and
Thomas Tattum from Pontbleiddyn, Flintshire, Wales. Mary E was also from Pontbleiddyn. The family were all Lead Miners. She married my GGrandfather Edward Powell in 1886 and went on to have (at least) 8 children.
My second, Jane Caunce 1886-1955 was youngest child of Philip Caunce and Alice Watkinson both of Chorley, Lancashire. They moved to West Derby shortly after their marriage. Jane's father was a Gardener. She met George Alfred Smith an older man from Birmingham sometime around 1906, and had several children with him. they didn't marry until 1933 though, because he was already married when he met her. o.o; (Scandalous lol)
My Maternal side:
Catherine Hughes 12 May 1892 - Jan 1864 was a right one. She used to help woman in the town of Mold, Flintshire as a midwife. She was quite a looker apparently. She had one child out of wedlock in 1911. Then she married a man, James Wood in 1913. He died around the Iraq area during a war in 1917. Having had 2 children with him (one she was pregnant with when she married) - she went on to have my grandmother with an unknown man, and then 2 children with a married man - surname Simon(s) - but all under the "Wood" name. She kept a locket and heart pendant from one of these men which has been passed down but we don't know from who (it was her most treasured posession - and probably one of her only ones because she had no money) I never met her but out of all the women she sort of holds a special place in my heart. To have all these children as she did in those days, with no man supporting her must have been so hard.
And lastly Mary Catherine Messham 1897-1936 from Buckley and Mold, Flintshire. She married my grandfather Richard Rosedale from Cheshire - he was in the Machine Gun Corps. For a while they lived in a pub, and after her death he went on to own it. Nobody remembers her because of the premature death, so I don't really know much about her except what you can pick up from the records - like her religious status as Wesleyan, and she was daughter of a William Messham and Mary Griffiths. She had 8 children, one at the early age of 16.
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I have an update to my own because I've found all my GGrandmothers. Sorry that this is so long, but I'm excited at having found all of them!
The first is my paternal side:
Mary Elizabeth Tattum 1860-22 FEB 1946, eldest child of Margaret Borrow from Lancashire, and
My second, Jane Caunce 1886-1955 was youngest child of Philip Caunce and Alice Watkinson both of Chorley, Lancashire.
My Maternal side:
Catherine Hughes 12 May 1892 - Jan 1864 was a right one. She used to help woman in the town of Mold, Flintshire as a midwife.
And lastly Mary Catherine Messham 1897-1936 from Buckley and Mold, Flintshire.
Congratulations for obtaining the details and adding to this thread.
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Okay G.Grandmothers. I hadn't noticed before but mine seem to be from all over the place.
Syrena Jagger b. 1836 Crigglestone West Yorkshire. Her mother died giving birth to her and her twin who died shortly afterwards and her father was a miner. She worked as a domestic servant in Wakefield and then in Leeds.
Ann Foulds b. 1855 Sutton-on-Trent Nottinghamshire. Her parents were teachers. Work brought them to Leeds.
Fanny Jane Dunstone b. 1873 Woolwich Kent. Moved to Hull where my G.Grandfather got work ( Naval Seaman ). She died in 1912 then the family moved to Leeds.
Mary Roe b. 1875 According to the 1901 Census she's from Wolverhampton. She turns up in Leeds and marries Henry Sanderson and her father was one William Roe ( deceased ). I've not been able to find anything else about her as I can't find any more records. She is my BRICK WALL !!!
Woody.
P.S. If you fancy a challenge feel free to trace Mary Roe.
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Hi Woody,
If Mary is being a brick wall, ask Tephra to put you down for a Scavenger Hunt.... They are great fun if nothing else... 8)
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Can't remember whether I've listed these before, and can't find anything, so here goes; -
1. Amelia ("Minnie") May Powell, nee Thearle, b. Canterbury NSW 1884, daughter of Alfred Thearle & Amelia nee Bullman - *This one was still alive when I was little
2. Amelia Tatham, nee Muir, b. ? Victoria 1869, daughter of Neil Muir & Margaret nee Lawson
3. Agnes Mitchell, nee Morgan, b. Kirk Wynd, Anstruther Easter, Fife Scotland 1877, daughter of James Morgan & Mary nee Henderson
4. Elizabeth ("Lizzie") Lumsden Kinnear Haerse, nee Baird, b. Scoonie Fife 1876, daughter of Alexander Baird & Janet ("Jessie") nee Beveridge - *Also still alive when I was young
Thankfully, apart from not being sure exactly where Amelia Muir Tatham was born ... no brick walls amongst this lot :)
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Hi Woody,
If Mary is being a brick wall, ask Tephra to put you down for a Scavenger Hunt.... They are great fun if nothing else... 8)
Don't wish to appear dense... 8) 8) ;D
But what exactly is a 'scavenger hunt?'
Romilly.
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It's when everyone gets together to sort out someone's brick wall, Romilly. They are fast moving and great fun. You find out things about your ancestors that you never even dreamed of because everyone has their own way of doing things and bringing them together makes for interesting reading if nothing else.
Tephra organises them.
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Thanks for this PaulaToo!!!
There's so much to read on this site...I never get round to everything...& so didn't know about this!!!
Gosh...I've got brick walls in every direction, - I shall have to get on this List!
Romilly :)
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If someone should decide to request a 'Scavenger hunt' should they PM Tephra?
Woody. (trying to be diplomatic).
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My maternal g.grandmothers were Alice Catherine Brand and Alice Pemberton. My paternal g.grandmothers were Maria Collett and Selina Stanton Mumby.
G.Grandmother Alice Pemberton – was born in 1843 in Kingsley, Cheshire, the 6th of 11 children. Her father was a butcher and farmer. At 18 she was still living at home with 7 other siblings, despite the fact that her father had died the previous year. She married aged 28 a couple of years after her mother’s death, her husband being a butcher like her father. She had 6 children, 3 girls followed by 3 boys. Her husband died aged 45 and she carried on the butchery business until she died aged 65.
Lizzie
Lizzie
I live very near to Kinglsey , in fact am driving through there tomorrow , If you have an address and it's still there I'd be more than happy to take a photo for you.
Regards
UKDESCENDANT
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Here are my four great-grandmothers:
Emily Smith
- born 24 April 1867 in Rowley Regis, Staffs
- married Henry Thomas Stevenson 16 Nov 1889 in Blackpool, Lancs
- died 27 Apr 1956, Wesham, Lancs
Jane Holden
- born 17 Aug 1861, Darwen, Lancs
- married Henry Wild, 23 March 1884, Darwen, Lancs
- died 10 Feb 1944, Blackpool, Lancs
Elizabeth Frances Scrutton
- born 5 Aug 1886, Whitechapel, London
- married Hezekiah William John Guest 1 July 1911, Bethnal Green, London
- died 10 Jan 1949, Ilford, Essex
Rosetta Florence Palfreman
- born 7 Nov 1889, Poplar, London
- married James William Collis 28 Oct 1911, Upton Park, London
- died 15 Nov 1965, Runwell, Essex
I've identified all eight great-great grandmothers too, and am - irritatingly - missing only one of the fifteen great-great-great grandmothers.
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Yes Woody, PM Tephra for a Savenger HUnt
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Hi, Chatters,
Great idea. My great grandmothers were -
PATERNAL: Anna Lush Roberts, born Dorset. 1821-1902
Maria King, born Oxford. 1835-1874.
MATERNAL: Jane Elizabeth Woolfe, born Kent. 1860-?
Nell Jones ??????????????
Haven't found any details for Nell, but my grandmother was born in Aberystwith. Her father was John Griffith Jones.
Cheers,
Dot.
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My four:
Sarah Ann Webb: Born 15 Jun 1834 Abbotsley Hunts
Mar 18 Dec 1864 Caxton Cambs (6 children)
Died Jun 1908 Caxton Cambs (aged 74)
Alice Tubb: Born 27 Aug 1833 Hungerford Berks
Mar Dec 1853 Hungerford Berks (3 children)
Died Dec 1860 Kintbury Berks (aged 27)
Kate Vincent: Born 1858 Maidenhead Berks
Mar Sep 1879 Maidenhead Berks (6 children)
Died 1923 Maidenhead Berks (Aged 58)
Elizabeth Emmett Born 1854 Maidenhead Berks
Mar 21 May 1876 Maidenhead Berks (9 children)
Died 5 Jul 1930 Maidenhead Berks (aged 76)
This generation certainly didn't move very far,
Cheers,
Abiam
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Jane Holden
- born 17 Aug 1861, Darwen, Lancs
- married Henry Wild, 23 March 1884, Darwen, Lancs
- died 10 Feb 1944, Blackpool, Lancs
There was a Jane Holden in 1881 listed as the daughter of a Jane Holden.
The younger Jane was employed as a cotton spinner in Simonstone.
Her uncle was Henry Hindle.
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Mine's the daughter of John Holden (1836-bef. 1884) and Betty Duckworth (1840-1878)
It is virtually obligatory to have been called Holden in Darwen in the 19th century.
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My four:
Alice Tubb: Born 27 Aug 1833 Hungerford Berks
Mar Dec 1853 Hungerford Berks (3 children)
Died Dec 1860 Kintbury Berks (aged 27)
Cheers,
Abiam
It's kind of sad that Alice died so young.
Hopefully, a short story could be told
of her contribution to your family tree.
It would be nice if there was a picture of Alice.
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Hello Zelley,
A little about Alice. She married at twenty to George Dob(p)son in 1853 in Hungerford and had three children in 1853, 1855 and 1858 and died in 1860. Her mother was Jane Tubb who produced three illegitimate daughters! According to family she never married.
After the death of Alice the three children aged 7, 4 and 2 went to live with their grandmother, Jane, and Great Grandparents Charles and Elizabeth Tubb. Life must have been very hard - both GGparents were around 75 and their GMother was 47. The youngest child, Joseph, was working on a farm at 12 as a plough boy and joined the Kings Own Royal Regiment and saw active service aged 17 in the Zulu war in South Africa. The rough start in life did not prevent him from marrying, producing 11 children all of whom were alive at his Golden wedding in 1936. Joseph died in 1945 aged 87.
One day,when the lottery comes my way, and I can invest in more certificates Alice will be one of the first! I am interested to know the cause of her death.
George married again in 1863 and started a new life with wife and two children , one of whom died aged one year.
The other two children of Alice went their own way marrying and producing 12 children between them. Charles died aged 77 and Ellen aged 84.
And sorry no photographs of anyone before Joseph, thanks for your interest, Happy New Year,
Abiam
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To my g grandmothers who between them had 32 children - what a legacy -
Emily Canham
Eliza Taylor
Charlotte Haines
Mary Ellen Farnsworth
I would also like to remember my 5 x g grandmother Sarah Hines who died at the age of 21 years without these brave, strong women we would not be here ....
Susan
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Well said Susan.
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My great grandmothers -- and all of them unknown to me before I started this tree lark 9 months ago!
Eveline Holyland Leicester
Mary Jane Rudkin Leicester
Harriett Pryce Welshpool then Liverpool
Hannah Cooper Sedgley then Warrington
I have photos of 3 of them :) but only have the photo of one great-grandfather.
It's been great finding out about them and their families and has given me much more of a sense of knowing where I come from!
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My great grandmothers -- and all of them unknown to me before I started this tree lark 9 months ago!
Mary Jane Rudkin Leicester
I have photos of 3 of them :) but only have the photo of one great-grandfather.
The name RUDKIN is a famous name in sports.
England's Alan Rudkin was an outstaning boxer
in the Sixties.
In 1965, he went the distance with Japan's
world champion Fighting Harada in Tokyo
Any connection between Mary Jane Rudkin and Alan Rudkin.
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Reid, Wood, Hammond and Tomes. Two Scottish and two English - guarantees a dilemma everytime the Calcutta Cup is played
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Lilia Rose Ginger, born 1878, died 1960
Annie Chadwick (the family name was originally Chidwick), born 1888, died 1966
Beatrice Caroline Studley Parrett, born 1894, died 1980
Daisy Clarkson, born 1892, died 1979
I have photos of two of them (surprisingly for the two that died in the 1960s). I think there maybe photos of the other two in existence, I shall have to ask my grandmother.
Top photo is of an eldery Rose (Lilia Rose above). I have many photos of her, including one from the 1900s. There is also one in existence of her in the 1890s, I believe but I do not have access to it.
Bottom photo is of Annie.
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Lilia Rose Ginger, born 1878, died 1960
Annie Chadwick (the family name was originally Chidwick), born 1888, died 1966
Beatrice Caroline Studley Parrett, born 1894, died 1980
Daisy Clarkson, born 1892, died 1979
Good pictures.
Was the one with Lilia Rose Ginger taken somewhere in London.
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Isn't it time this one was closed and a new one started?
It's gone way over 20 pages.
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Lilia Rose Ginger, born 1878, died 1960
Annie Chadwick (the family name was originally Chidwick), born 1888, died 1966
Beatrice Caroline Studley Parrett, born 1894, died 1980
Daisy Clarkson, born 1892, died 1979
Good pictures.
Was the one with Lilia Rose Ginger taken somewhere in London.
It was likely taken at 40 Caldew Street, Camberwell. It's now demolished, I believe. This branch of the Yeowell family lived at 40 Caldew Street from the 1890s until Rose's death in 1960, I believe.
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Have just discovered this interesting thread and would like to add my four great-grandmothers; strong women all of them!
Elizabeth Havelock Green, born 1863, Lyttelton, New Zealand. She married William Betty, had 11 children and died in 1939.
Jane Criuckshank, born Rothes, Scotland in 1860. Came to NZ with her mother and 4 sisters in the 1870's. Married Frank Turner, had 4 children and died in 1942
Edith Kedge, born Norwich, 1875. Married Augustus Osborn, had 10 (?) children and died in 1960 in England.
Emma Jones, born 1864 in Christchurch, New Zealand. Married Charles Gibbens and had 12 children. Died in 1938.
I never met any of them and didn't even know their names a couple of years ago!
Stephanie :)
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Sorry about this, I know it isn't a 'Restore' thread, but Rose Ginger just grabbed me and wouldn't let go.
What an adorable looking old lady, I just had to give her a makeover...
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Paula,
Oh, thanks for that, that's much appreciated. You have done a great job!
I have some earlier photos of her as well. In fact, I am lucky in that I have a lot of photos of her. I also recently also rediscovered a photo of Rose's grandmother that another researcher sent to me a while back.
This is with her eldest son, around 1901/02.
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Hi James,
She didn't change, did she, just grew old gracefully.
If you would like me to take a pop at restoring some of the photos put them up on the Restoration Board...I might get my knuckles rapped if I start doing them on here :)
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Paula,
Not a problem.
Some have yet to be scanned but I shall see what I can do with the ones that have. I have a very poor wedding photo I would dearly love to be restored. It is bad shape is blurred too (and it features the above Rose too).
Thank you for the offer.
Regards,
James R. Yeowell.
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Great, I'm beginning to feel very fond of Rose. I'll watch out for her.
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Great, I'm beginning to feel very fond of Rose. I'll watch out for her.
I never met her, being born a long time after her passing. I do gather she was a stern lady though.
I have posted in a restoration thread and she is present in two of the photos. I shall scan some more in someday soon too.
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Isn't it time this one was closed and a new one started?
It's gone way over 20 pages.
Why?
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My g grandmothers .... Caroline & Elizabeth
oops Caroline is my gg grandmother soz.. but Elizabeth is definitely my g grandmother
Cal 8)
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My g grandmothers .... Caroline & Elizabeth
oops Caroline is my gg grandmother soz.. but Elizabeth is definitely my g grandmother
Cal 8)
Well Caroline is still a g grandmother so is a welcome addition to the list
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Actually my g grandmother was also Caroline..... Her mother was Caroline and the Caroline in the picture was her mother in law and her mother-in- law was also Caroline.... so far I have 7 Caroline's in the same line of the tree... hence my confusion lol ;-)
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site revisited
it has been a year since we added names, so for any new members in the year feel free to add the four great grandmothers
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I have looked into all four branches of my tree and was lucky enough to have met one of my great grandparents (only just!)
Maria Bray (Radlett) 1894-1967
Rose Davis (Chambers/Pike) 1892-1983
Martha Monks (Smith) 1868-1951
Mary Abrehart (Lavender) 1878-1963
I remember Rose. I have an image of her sat in a chair with a croched blanked over her knees watching me play at her feet. I'd have been 3 and she was 91!
I don't have pictures of Maria, as they were destroyed when their house was bombed in WW2, but I have got pictures of the last three. I'm on the wrong laptop, so can only post one. Here's Rose:
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I have all 4 of mine, pretty easy for 3 of them as they died in pretty recent history and I remember one of them, however I know have a picture of the one I had never even heard of, she is probably my favourite and most intriguing one of my ancestors so far.
Rosina Edith Gower - 1872 - 1951
Eliza Doris Magee - 1912 - 1986
Winifred Lilian Herrick - 1906 - 1981
Bridget Hoey/Hoy - 1901 - 1981
Winifred was born in London and died a few weeks before I was born, Bridget was born in Sligo and dies a few weeks after I was born. Eliza was born in Stockport, I have fond memories of visiting as a child, we called her GranGran.
Rosina as you can see was 30 years older than the next oldest, she was born in London in a workhouse although they where only there for a week.
Now I have put these 4 down in one list I have realised that they have been some of the most enjoyable to find out about so far.
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my 4 g grandmothers are ..
Caroline Beringer Bigg - London (my fathers paternal grandmother)
Harriet Smith- Scotland (my fathers maternal grandmother)
Elizabeth Evans - Wales (my mothers paternal grandmother)
Elizabeth McKinnelley - Liverpool (my mothers maternal grandmother)
The 4 corners of the UK :)
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What lovely pictures there are on this thread. I like the idea of highlighting great grandmothers in this way. They're a real bridge to the part of the past that we know only on paper - so near in some ways because of our own grandmothers' memories.
My four were Mary Devlin from Toomebridge County Antrim, Mary Malone originally from Lurgan but married, lived and died in Glasgow and Kate and Margaret Kennedy from Little Island County Cork. Kate and Margaret emigrated to London in the 1880s and subsequently Kate's son married Margaret's daughter, so my maternal grandparents were first cousins.
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Ha! It's only when doing the poll about 'have you traced each of them back a generation' that I notice that I've done that thing that we all do. Mary Devlin was my grandmother - it was her mother Mary McCormick who was my great grandmother. Poor Mary Devlin seems so much further away because she was only 29 when she died of TB in 1916.
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Sarah Ann Garrity
born 1852 in Rochester Kent and died 1942 in Grays Essex
Esther Pettit
born 1860 in Stanstead Suffolk and died 1921 Grays Essex
Ellen Dearing
born 1857 in Snodland Kent and died 1931 in Strood
Anne Harriet Gibbs
born 1849 in Shorne Kent and died 1925 in Wainscott Kent
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Helen Edgington born 17 July 1895, Oxford, Oxfordshire, died 17 July 1945, Rochford, Essex.
Violet May Clift born 1st June 1899, Notley, Essex, died 1 January 1953, Little Wakering, Essex.
Olive Mary Taylor born 23 September 1887, Stambridge, Essex, died 31 December 1946, Rochford, Essex.
Catherine Isabella Coombs born 22nd September 1889, Islington, London, died 4th March 1930, Auckland, Durham.
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Worsted spinner and militant trade unionist from Bradford, Yorkshire.
Flax spinner from Lancashire.
Cotton spinner from Manchester/Chesire area.
Ag lab/coal miners wife from N Wales.
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Elizabeth Ann Kempster b. 1851 Hardwick cum Weedon, Bucks.; died 1935 Port Adelaide, South Australia.
Jane Smith, b.1856 Maybole, Ayrshire; died 1924 Largs Bay, South Australia.
Sarah Jane Edwards b. 1862 Redruth, Cornwall; died 1947 Brighton, South Australia.
Harriet Carrington b. 1879 Kapunda, South Australia; died 1953 Murray Bridge, South Australia.
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Here are mine:
Florence Ellen Smith- B. 1900 Barton Mills, Suffolk, D. 1967 Suffolk.
Phyllis Mary Shinn- B. 1915 Worlington, Suffolk, D. 1989 Tuddenham St. Mary, Suffolk.
Gladys Cook- B. 1911 Stetchworth, Cambs, D. 1991 Hertfordshire.
Bessie Patton- B. 1919 Langham, Suffolk, D. 2009 Suffolk.
When i was born 3 of these were still alive but i was too young to remember Phyllis and Gladys. I knew my Nanna Bessie, although she suffered an unfortunate stroke in 1997 which she never properly recovered from. I always remember her with fondness however :)
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Just thought I would add mine too.
Elizabeth Robinson born 1895, Clerkenwell, London
Elizabeth Louisa Sills born 1898, Mile End Old Town, London
Esther Salkeld born 1894, Hexham, Northumberland
Mary Killen born 1891, Liverpool, Lancashire
I also have my gg grandmothers.
Only one grandmother still living aged 92, daughter of Elizabeth Robinson.
Sharon
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Here are mine:
Florence Ellen Smith- B. 1900 Barton Mills, Suffolk, D. 1967 Suffolk.
Phyllis Mary Shinn- B. 1915 Worlington, Suffolk, D. 1989 Tuddenham St. Mary, Suffolk.
Gladys Cook- B. 1911 Stetchworth, Cambs, D. 1991 Hertfordshire.
Bessie Patton- B. 1919 Langham, Suffolk, D. 2009 Suffolk.
When i was born 3 of these were still alive but i was too young to remember Phyllis and Gladys. I knew my Nanna Bessie, although she suffered an unfortunate stroke in 1997 which she never properly recovered from. I always remember her with fondness however :)
Wow! I only had one grandmother alive when I was born, let alone any great grandmothers.
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I only ever knew one grandmother- whose own mother died when she was a baby so no memories at all. I never knew any great grandparents who all died long before I was born. They all seem to have been quite resourceful women with far from easy lives:
Emma Amelia Harvey-born Shoreham by Sea Sussex , 1827, a dressmaker. Married in Scotland aged 26 and travelled with her husband -a gunner in the Royal Artillery, to Ireland and to Essex. Had 4 children died Northamptonshire 1908.
Rosina Sophia Morton born Windsor in 1845, married in London aged 19, lived in Battersea, 7 children moved back to Windsor by 1881, died 1908.
Hannah Royal born Yarmouth Norfolk 1857. Married to a mariner, aged 21, 3 children died Yarmouth, October 1886 when her youngest child was only 6 moths old.
Sarah Charlotte Tann born Norwich 1853 married aged 19 had 13 children, (4 of whom died within 7 weeks of each other in 1887). Widowed when her youngest child was only 2 she died in 1927.
I've found out the names and some information about all of their mothers as well- 8 great grandmothers. I think having few relatives left alive from the older generation when I was a child made me want to find out their stories.
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Lillias Barr - b.1861 Abercrombie St., Glasgow (m. Duncan Buchanan)
Jeanie Buchanan - b.1874 Johnstone, Refrewshire (m. David Thomson) - no relation to Duncan Buchanan above
Agnes Robertson Jamieson b.1869 World's End Close, Edinburgh (m.Charles Swanson, originally from Orkney)
Margaret McGillewie McNaughton - b. Remony, Acharn, Perthshire (m. Donald McDonald) - their daughter (my grandmother) was called Margaret McDougall McDonald.
Anne
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Edith Jenkins 1869 - 1957 Cornwall background
Margaret Sheehan 1870 - 1907 Irish Background
Susannah Olive Amelia Hatherell 1887 - 1973 Wilts Background
Caroline Brighton 1884 - 1957 Lincolnshire Background
All married in Australia and 3 known born here as well. ( Sheehan is the unknown)
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Ellen Sanfey b.1879 Oylegate, Co. Wexford; d.1955 Oylegate, Co. Wexford
Annie Doyle b.1901 Rathmore, Kilscoran, Co. Wexford; d.1974 Clonmel, Co. Tipperary
Ann McCahey b.1875 Drumbrone, Drumcarrow, Co. Monaghan; d.1930 Greaghlone, Drumcarrow, Co. Monaghan
Alice McKenna (in my profile picture) b.1877 Ballymacolgan, Drumconrath, Co. Meath; d.1967 Lisagoan, Kingscourt, Co. Cavan
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Three of my Great grandmothers came from same parish, and stayed there for their lives.
All my great Grand mothers lived in Co Kilkenny in Republic of Ireland.
To date I have not found any ancestor to have come from another county.
When I was researching an individual person in parish register which was on microfiche, I found other relatives that I had not expected to find so soon.
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Adding mine too:
Margaret Ogilvie born 1858 in Victoria, Australia
Mary Wall born 1868 in Shropshire, England
Caroline Martin born 1881 in Victoria, Australia
Margaret Stuart born 1861 in County Clare, Ireland
I met Margaret at her 100th birthday celebrations when I was a small child and I'm amazed that I can say I met someone born in 1861.
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I've just realised I have photographs of all of my Great grandmothers . Never connected it really, I've always had the photos, but never thought of it that way.
Kind regards
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I've just realised I have photographs of all of my Great grandmothers . Never connected it really, I've always had the photos, but never thought of it that way.
Kind regards
There's a thought. I have photo's of three of my great grandmothers; the fourth never wanted her photo taken, fearful of the technology. Funnily enough, I have a photo of her mother.
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I have 2 great grandmothers with the same names. Elizabeth Walker. One from my mother's side and one from my father's side. Both are the same age, and both from Ayrshire.
Sadly I only have photos of 3 of my great grandmothers, and 3 of my great grandfathers. as soon as I can trace a living connection within the missing family, the first thing I will do is ask if they have a photo! I have a lovely photo frame that will hold all eight, but two spaces with just a name in each one! Oh well..one day... Sigh!!
Jeanne😒
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I'm sure I posted on this thread years ago - forgotten when :-[
My eldest G Grandmother was born in 1832 - 120 years before me!
I'm curious if any Rootschatters have older g grandmothers?
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I've just realised I have photographs of all of my Great grandmothers . Never connected it really, I've always had the photos, but never thought of it that way.
Kind regards
Please do post the photos - that would be awesome! Sadly I have photos of just one.
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You have me beaten, Hiraeth.
Mine range from 1851, 1856, 1862, to 1879.
That's 114 years before me.
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I have one great grandmother born 121 years before me (My great grandfather -her husband- was born 136 years before me). The other three were round about 100 years before me. Sadly I have not seen photos of any of them.
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Mine range from 1837 to 1877, with two in the the middle at 1867.
3 born in Scotland
1 born in England
2 of the Scottish ones had the same name, Elizabeth Walker! One paternal, one Maternal. Both from Ayshire! It's the paternal one and her husband that are leaving the space in my Photo Frame of Great Grandparents! She's the one that was born in 1837, so that's born 108 yrs before me!
Jeanne 🌹
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I've got two with the same (well almost!) name as well, but that's because they are sisters! Born in Cork in 1859 and 1861. I have lovely photos of them. I have one tiny snapshot of my Northern Irish g granny, who was born in about 1852, but sadly no picture at all of my remaining g granny (also N Irish but emigrated to Glasgow), born 1850.
However, my pride and joy when it comes to photos is one of my great great grandmother from Worcestershire, born 1827. The pic was taken in 1868 and shows my great grandfather when he was five.