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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 31 January 04 15:08 GMT (UK)
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My ancestors spent more than 250 years in the Cotton & Silk Mills of Macclesfield before moving to other parts of the country (Notts, Staffs, Derby - all sites of Silk Mills)
The family owned the corner shop in Windmill Square for nigh on 100 years, plus we occupied at least 4 of the 12 houses in that square as well as premises in Fountain Street and Mill Street where we had a confectionary shop.
I want to put more flesh on the bones of my ancestors and obtain more photographs or images like the one below (corner shop in Windmill Square) as it seems that most of the propery has now been demolished and redeveloped.
I thank you for your attention
Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)
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Hi Chris
Found this photo today. As the crow flies it wouldn't have been more than about 75 yards from Windmill Square.
peterbennett
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Hi there Peter
Thanks for the picture, but now you have got me confused.
I thought St Peters Church was at Prestbury and the church at the top of the street near Windmill Square was called St Michaels.
But, it seems my ancestors preferred to use Christchurch which was a bit further away, but still quite close - all the family gravestones inscriptions I have came from the yard of Christchurch.
But I do appreciate the thought Peter and thanks once again.
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Chris
St. Peters Windmill St. was built in 1849 and became a seperate parish about 1898, prior to this the area would come under the mother church of St. Peters Prestbury as were around 20 other townships encircling Macclesfield.
The main church in Macclesfield centre is St. Michaels,this served only the parishioners in and around central Macclesfield, and dates back to around 11/12 c.
In the mid 1700's there was a falling out between some of the towns wealthy mill owners and the stalwarts of St. Michaels it was decided that another church would be built, and so Christ Church was built in 1775 at the expense of Charles Roe, a leading entrepreneur in the town's silk industry. The tower, with its peal of 10 bells was added in 1777. The disproportionate tower height is the result of the founder's insistence that it should appear higher on the Macclesfield skyline than St. Michael's. It has internal galleries, with cast iron supporting columns on three sides of the nave. Most of the original box pews remain. It closed in 1983, but is still maintained by the Churches Conservation Trust.
The afore mentioned Charles Roe was responsable around 1750 for establishing some copper mining interests in and around the distict. His works for smelting and casting where built just of Windmill Street, hence the names of Brasshouse St. Copper St. Calamine St and Black Road. One area of houses close by ( now demolished ) were always known to us locals as the smelt houses. If your ancestors were in the Windmill St. area in the late 1700's then Mr Roe as the local benifacter I am sure would have encouraged them to worship at his church.
I wil post some photos of Christ Church and Prestbury.
regards
peterbennett
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St. Peters Prestbury
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Christ Church Macclesfield
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Christ Church Interia
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Thanks Peter
That is the church we visited some years ago and did manage to get inside although it was closed at the time.
I was very dissappointed to find all the stones in the yard lieing down, and could not find any from my ancestors, although I know (according to the transcriptions) that there should be some - perhaps they were a couple or more face down - do you know if any were used or transported elsewhere to be used.
This is the transcript of the main stone which we are led to believe was on the edge of the present day carpark:
Macclesfield Christchurch - Monumental Inscriptions.
Grave No 538, Plot C, On edge of Car Park :
Here lies the remains of SAMUEL SWARBROOKE who departed yhis
life Nov 24th 1834 aged 67 years.
Here lie also the remains of BETTY wife of SAMUEL SWARBROOKE who
departed this life June 2nd 1833 aged 64 years.
Here lies the body of JOHN son of SAMUEL and BETTY SWARBROOKE
who died March 23rd 1817 aged 25 years (verse)
Also GEORGE son of the above named SAMUEL and BETTY SWARBROOKE
who departed this life Oct 8th 1845 aged 38 years
Also HARRIET MOSS daughter of JOHN and MARTHA SWARBROOKE who
died Jan 1st 1859 aged 43 years.
and
Macclesfield St Micheal - Monumental Inscription
Stone No 589, Section C, Near Wall and Railings :
Also NANCY SWARBROOKE daughter to the above ANN SWARBROOK who
died Oct 6th 1839 aged 79 years, Also WILLIAM son of JOSEPH and
HANNAH SWARBROOKE and a grandson to the above NANCY SWARBROOKE
who died Jan 5th 1833 aged 20 years.
Also HANNAH SWARBROOKE died Apr 5th 1836 aged 14 years
Also WILLIAM SWARBROOKE died Jan 29th 1837 aged 76 years.
Also ANN SWARBROOK died Aug 31st 1838 aged 21 years.
Also NANCY SWARBROOK who died Aug 5th 1848 aged 68 years.
Also JOSEPH SWARBROOK who departed this life Jan 17th 1850 aged
66 years
Have you any idea where they dissappeared to
Chris in 1066Land
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Hello Chris,
I have just registered with RootsChat tonight. I cannot for some reason access your photo of Windmill Square, but my grandparents used to live at 7 Dean Street, which was a small cul-de-sac off Windmill Square. I spent a lot of time there in the 50's and 60's. I also remember there were two shops, one on the corner and another one on the left as you turned off Windmill Hill just before you entered the square proper. There was also an 'oatcake' bakery at the top of Dean Street just next to the 'hole in the wall' entrance to the playing field. I also seem to recall there was some sort of Chapel opposite to the shop on the corner. I believe all of it is now demolished, although I have not been back for many years as I now live in Chester.
I hope you have found some of this detail of interest, if not please excuse my nostalgic ramblings.
Best regards
Sandra
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Just joined and browsing my areas of interest. Great to find posts about St.peter's Windmill street. Iwas christened and confirmed there as was my family church. my maternal grandparents lived at no 48 and grandad was churchwarden there. Did not have pictures in that post so have printed them off to add to my collection.
Family names:corbishley,Kay, Wood .laidlaw, Longden, steele,gaskell
Worshipper
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I lived on Dean St, Macclesfield and went to St Peters school and St Peters CoE in the early sixties. I vaguely remember the oatcake bakery (my mother used to tell me about the time I went into the bakery and tipped a substantial amount of flour over the floor and myself (I was quite small and have no recollection of the occurance)).
I was interested to see in the map that the nearby 'park' (affectionately called 'the tip') used to be a brick works. We (my siblings and I) used to go through the hole in the wall from Dean St into 'the tip' to get to the childrens play area. Some school boys and I would go to to the 'tip' in late summer to set fire to the dry grass that grew on the steep slopes at the top end of the tip near Windmill street. I was saddened to see that Dean St has gone and has been replaced by what looks like (on Google satellite maps) an industrial estate .......but I suppose thats progress.
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat :)
If you lived on Dean Street then this picture will bring back memories.
peterbennett
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My Bailey ancestors lived at no. 6 Windmill Street on 1861 - 71 census.
Anybody got any pics of Windmill street apart from St. Peters Church
Regards Joanne
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My ancestor ran a provision shop at 92 Windmill Street. He died in 1870's, though it continues under is sister in law, and then her nephew. This may be on the corner with Black Street., as one reference to this address was incorrectly described as 92 Black Street.
Bob
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Hi All
After some 15 years of chasing ancestors around the midlands, I am now trying to put some more flesh on the bones of my Macclesfield Ancestors.
After all, we were there from the late 1600's right up to 1910 when some members of the family moved to Chorlton Cum Hardy near manchester and where in 1929 the family bible went astray - I can follow its route to there, but then I lose it when Elizabeth dies in 1929.
Would be happy to receive any further pictures of Windmill Square or Windmill Street where we had small business's plus a bakery and confectionary shop in Mill Street - plus according to the eletoral registers we had several properties in Fountain Street
Looking forward to some interesting replies
Chris in 1066
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Stonechat
Hi Bob
I think our ancestors must have known each other back in the 1800's
We had a Cordwainers/Shoe makers shop in Windmill yard and Windmill Square between c1851 and 1891 plus we had the corner shop which was a grocer/provisions shop at 1/2 Windmill Square and at various address in Windmill Square No 6/7 and Mill Street we had a bakery/confectionary shop which i belive closed in 1910 when they moved to Chorlton cum Hardy.
On one of the early census returns I also have a Black Street Address
Chris in 1066
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HI
That's interesting. I have done a fair amount of research as I have struggled to get back before Edward Jackson. Unfortunately his birthplace is not given consistently on Censuses, he twice gave Manchester, once Macclesfield, and in 1841 not Cheshire. Additionally his first name was different in 1851. I won't believe have found the right one until I find a baptism for his brother James who was born in Macclesfield.
I have tried tracing James's wife Ellen. She is clearly Ellen Oliver, but her birthplace is not consistent, and I wonder if he married one Ellen (Lomas), who died between 1841-1851 and another Ellen, Ellen Oliver also between these two Censuses. Needless to say I have looked at Jacksons in this part of Macclesfield at an earlier date . There are Jacksons who are earlier grocers, though I never found a connection. Bob
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My ancestors the Worths,lived at 171 Black Road for at least 30 years.
A tiny 2 bedroom house......with 12 kids :o
In 1861 they appear at 14 Copper Street.
My grandad Albert Worth played football for St Peter's around the 1910-20's.
I have a team photo of him somewhere, in front of the church.
His brother Fred and wife Lillie ran a greengrocers shop ,but until I ask my mum I have no idea where it was!
The Navigation Inn rings quite a few bells in my family too ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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Hi
Where is Windmill Square in relation to Windmill Street
Apart form the Jacksons, I have Mary Ann Lomas daughter of John and Hannah Lomas but have not traced back further than that.
There seems to be more connections with Lomas family, as James Jackson , my Edwards borther could have had a first marriage to Ellen Lomas.
Either way there seem to be often members of the Lomas family withmy Jacksons
I have the Macclesfield MI CD but apart from Edward's grave in the Cemetery it hasn't helped
Bob
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My maternal grandmother was a Corbishley. Just browsing and read your email from 2006. are you still searching. Ken Follows
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Hi Chris,
I uploaded a short video of St Peter's Church in Macclesfield to Youtube a while ago, and wondered if it might be of interest?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXhL8X-EIHY
Best wishes
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Hi Momos
Thankyou for your interest in my Macclesfield Research.
Whilst visiting last year I took some similar video - but thanks once again
Chris in 1066
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Hi
We've just come across this string as we're preparing for a local history event 'word on the street' organised by St Peters Church Windmill street Macclesfield - 7th November 2009. We're getting together oral memories, pictures and memorabilia from the Windmill Street and Black Road area. You can read about it here:-
http://www.stpetersmacc.org/wordonthestreet.html
We've found some interesting stuff from local people already - for example another picture of the lamp-post in the middle of the street. If anyone reading this is able to contribute any memories or pictures please do!
Also - if you're in the area . . .. come along!
Best wishes
terry
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Terry,
Welcome to Rootschat. I would so have loved to come up to Macc for your exhibition,but sadly I can't. Hopefully you will be posting more about it after the event?
I am sending you a photo of my grandad Albert Worth in the St Peter's football team in 1912.
Regards
Carol
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Hi Terry
Really would have loved to be there on Saturday, but it is a 300 miles each way from Hastings - so a bit out of the question I am afraid.
Have sent a couple of pictres of Windmill Suare to your wordonthestreet address
According to the Archives and the Census returns the family had a Cordwainer/Shoe makers shop in Windmill yard and Windmill Square between c1851 and 1891 plus we had the corner shop which was a grocer/provisions shop at 1/2 Windmill Square and at various other addresses in Windmill Square No 6/7 and in Mill Street we had a bakery/confectionary shop which i belive closed in about 1910 when the last remnants of the family moved to Chorlton cum Hardy. Most of the Parish register entries seem to be in St Peter, but later it appears the family migrated to Christchurch
Chris in 1066
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I live in New Zealand and doing research on one of the lines of Merediths. Ours had two brothers going to Samoa, we are looking for an Uncle of those boys called John who was married in West Derby, Lancashire and moved to live in West Macclesfield. He had a son
Samuel and samuel had several children. I think Samuel married a Nightingale and went to Passaic, Paterson where he had a mill and is listed as being a silk thrower. One of his grandchildren from his son Albert has kept in touch with our family but lost connection with the macclesfield family. I have found many on the Cheshirefreebmd of our family. My son is in London at the monment and if there are any Merediths who belong to this clan. Elizabeth is a sister of William, son of samuel, she never married, Frank and Fred were in the first world war and I found thier names on the honours boards and memorials in Macclesfield. in 1911 census the other children were
Harriet, Lillian, and Sarah Jane. If anyone has any knowledge at all of these familys and any stories my son who can be contacted on email while he is in london and I know he is so keen to find out about all of our relations. his email is (*) His real name is Stephen. Thank you all. I enjoyed the photos of macclesfield and reading about the life they lived.
A couple of years ago I ordered a birth certificate online for a John Meredith and his will, but it turns out it cant be ours because his sons are born after that date. Another reason for our search is we have hit a wall as to the father and mother of John and Our Thomas who were born about 1803-1810 as few records cover these times.
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Hi Bob
I think our ancestors must have known each other back in the 1800's
We had a Cordwainers/Shoe makers shop in Windmill yard and Windmill Square between c1851 and 1891 plus we had the corner shop which was a grocer/provisions shop at 1/2 Windmill Square and at various address in Windmill Square No 6/7 and Mill Street we had a bakery/confectionary shop which i belive closed in 1910 when they moved to Chorlton cum Hardy.
On one of the early census returns I also have a Black Street Address
Chris in 1066
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Hi Terry
Preparing for a local history event 'word on the street' organised by St Peters Church Windmill street Macclesfield - 7th November 2009. We're getting together oral memories, pictures and memorabilia from the Windmill Street and Black Road area. You can read about it here:-
How did it go, was it a success and did any new information, pictures, etc come to light on the former inhabitants of Windmill Square.
Will the results be published anywhere like on a cd or someting similar, would be very happy to receive details of same
Chris in 1066
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Will the results be published anywhere like on a cd or someting similar, would be very happy to receive details of same
Chris in 1066
Hi Chris- that's exactly what I was thinking ;)
I do hope so.
I too couldn't go up to Macc this weekend ,but am going in a couple of weeks to see the new headstone my cousin and I have had done for our grandparents grave.
Carol
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Hi there Windmill street people!
We had a great time at the weekend - the afternoon exhibition was packed (it's only a small church) mainly with locals - many of whom were spotting their family members in the photos - some were ex bellringers who Danny reintroduced to the belfry. Some had re-unions with people who lived only a few streets away but who they hadn't seen for years! We also had a really good evening with songs, videos and written recollections - along with Spearings pies - a local delicacy provided for us at a cutprice rate by Marshall Spearings down at Park Green.
During this week Julie, our webmaster, will attempt to put up all the exhibition panels, text and pictures, and also the videos we made - give her a few days!
www.stpetersmacc.org
Thanks for all your messages - the ones received before the weekend were printed out and included in the exhibition
With best wishes
Terry Gibson
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Hi Terry
Great, I know Carol as well as myself will look forward to that.
Tell Julie to keep the night oil burning, please ;D
Chris in 1066
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Hi there
you may remember we did an exhibition and event about windmill square and the St peters area of macclesfield.
It went off a storm but since then a family bereavement has intervened so I'm just now letting you know that our webmaster, Julie, did indeed put all the display materials as well as pictures of the event in progress on the website. There are also videos - be patient waiting for them to download! and do spread the news to anyone else you know who may be interested.
It's all at www.stpetersmacc.org - follow the 'word on the street' link
best wishes
terry
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Hi Terry
Great - I am on my way to the site ;D
Chris in 1066
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Me too Terry ;D
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Hi,I've just sat and tried to post message and pics??seems i have to do separately.
I was looking for info on the Smelt Houses in Macclesfield,when i found this great post trail.I was looking for John and Jane Hulme (both abt 1810)in 1851,then found them at Johnson Buildings in Daisy Bank in 1861.So was checking if i could info on the area's.Also 226,Black Rd,where my grand dad Joseph Moores was born 1892.I believe his mother Hannah Maria Moores nee Smith 1870,worked at the Beehive pub???I wanted John and Jane's wedding date really,plus her maiden name.No luck so far.I will post pics on next reply correction,i will try.
regards Irishistory
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Sorry,could not get the picture's to load.
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Hi irishistory,
Possible marriage for you:
John HULME, wvr [weaver?] m Jane CANCLIFFE, sp 4 March 1833 at Prestbury, both of Macclesfield
If any of their children were born after the start of civil registration in 1837 the birth certificate would confirm if this is the right marriage.
Jean
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Hi jdgen, thank you for that reply,i think Jane was from Butterton,Staffordshire.? Is that within walking distance of Macclesfield??
There first child Thomas was born 1833.
regards irishistory
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Hi irishistory,
I assume you have the 1851 census, ref HO107 2159/500 Page 16 showing them in Macclesfield. It shows Jane as born in Butterton, Staffs, but it doesn't mean that she stayed there - her family could have moved to Cheshire at any time.
I'd suggest the birth certificate of one of the children to be certain - maybe Rebecca?
If you go here: http://fsbeta.familysearch.org/s/ and put in John Hulme with wife Jane on the advanced search, you will be able to see the image of the marriage in the parish register.
Jean
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Hi Irishistory
On the 4th March 1821 at Prestbury, I have a William Swarbrooke, Silk Worker, (1st Cousin 4 times removed) marrying an HONORIA HULME, spinster.
Both of Macclesfield.
I wonder if she came from the same line as the one you are enquiring about
Chris in 1066
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Hi, I'm new to this website. I have just been following the thread and wondering a couple of things:
1) Do you know where is Wind Mill Yard, Prestbury? What was it like in 1841?
2) My g.g.grandmother's parents, and later she, were Provision Dealers at 22 & 24 Fountain St in 1861. They had been doing this for at least 20 years. By 1891 g.g.gran has moved to 34 Fountain St, doing the same thing up until her death in 1909.
Can you give me any details on this street and/or where I might find info about the types of businesses that existed and in particular pub owners?
G.g.gran seems to have been quite a good business woman. She was born Rosanna Salt, then married George Ward, and when widowed, married Thomas Fytton/Fitton.
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I know little of Prestbury, though I did go to see the Church
Macclesfield people had for years to go to Prestbury to marry
Have you checked out Prestbury on Old maps website?
http://www.old-maps.co.uk
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Hi Tapestry
Welcome to Rootschat and the Cheshire Board.
As far as i am aware there is not a Windmill Yard in Prestbury, it is in Macclesfield, and was next to St Peters Church where many of my ancestors are buried.
We lived in Fountain St according to the 1841 census, but then most of the family seemed in later census to have business premises in Windmill Yard, Windmill Street and Mill Street - mostly provision dealers or cake and Bakery shops. Anther relative George, although shown as living in Windmill Yard is listed as a Publican up until his death and then his wife Mary takes over the licence; whilst another relli Henry was a Publicans Servant in Chestergate in the 51 census.
Have you seen the local History books on Macclesfield connected with the Pubs and Alehouses
Chris in 1066
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I live in the land down under, so can only access info that's available online. :)
If I were to make a visit to Macclesfield, what is the best place to go for historic details? I'm trying to track down info about g.g.gran's mother called Jane. She was born in 1790s and married about 1816. But this predates Census data.
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...Apart form the Jacksons, I have Mary Ann Lomas daughter of John and Hannah Lomas but have not traced back further than that.
There seems to be more connections with Lomas family, as James Jackson , my Edwards borther could have had a first marriage to Ellen Lomas...
Bob
Any progress with the ancestry of the above Mary Ann LOMAS?
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No I cannot get further back - and one other Lomas and a potiential are still in a confused state
Do you have any Lomases?
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My Lomases are from Chapel-en-le-Frith (as far back as the 17th century and probably earlier) and never lived in Macclesfield.
But my wife has Lomas ancestors who were in Macclesfield in the 19th century. The father, James LOMAS was a silkspinner aged '40 years' living in Astbury, Congleton in 1841; living at 14 Fence St, Hurdsfield, Macclesfield in 1851 (labourer, aged 50 years born Wildboarclough) and 1861 ('formerly cotton factory worker', 66 years born Congleton). In 1859, from son Charles' marriage certificate, a labourer. He was in the Union Workhouse, Macclesfield, a widower, in 1871 (James b Gawsworth/Wincle was elsewhere, a farmer, in 1871 and 1881) and 1881, agricultural labourer aged 74 years born Macclesfield (1871) and cotton spinner aged 82 years born Wildboarclough (1881). A stone mason according to his death certificate.
I haven't found a christening for this James LOMAS. I reckon he was more likely born in Wildboarclough, his father possibly working at the newly-opened Gradbach Factory. One of the owners of that factory hailed from the N Staffs Moors so I speculate that James' father was a N Staffs Moors Lomas.
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I have Chapel-en -le Frith as potential origin for John and Hannah
In addition to this coouple are the following who appear in my tree or not
1)James Jackson's first wife Ellen (James was brother of my gt gt gt grandfather Edward Jackson)
It seems certain that this is Ellen Oliver, the maiden name of the Ellen Jackson who remarried after James death was Oliver. Yet the borthplaces are inconsistent
Did James actually marry two Ellen's who died?
Supporting this is that a number of Lomases appear with James and Ellen
Esther, George and Sarah Ann, apparently children of John Lomas and Mary Turner
2) When George Jackson mved to Dodworth, Barnsley, he stayed with Lomases
George Lomas from Worth in Cheshire and his wife Mary born in Alfreton
3) As a further twist the above Edward Jackson's granddaughter Ellen Beech married a john Lomas. POssibly an offspring of above
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Hi Trudy!
I have just recently been looking into my family history and have become very interested in finding out more about my past! I am wondering if my grandmother's Meredith side is related to yours? Her name is Veli (aka Valley Sabra) Meredith, daughter of Edward Meredith and Anna Meisake. Veli is one of 7 children.
I know that Edward Meredith is the son of James Meredith and Rosa Pereira (or Pere), and is one of 9 children. I also know that James married Sofia Wulf, and they had one son (William Paul).
If we are, indeed, part of the same Meredith line, I would love to find out more about them, and see how many generations back I can go! Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon!
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Hi irishistory
My gt-gt-gt-grandfather was John Hulme, my gt-grandmother was Ellen Smith, Hannah Maria's sister, are you still searching for info?
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Hi irishistory
My gt-gt-gt-grandfather was John Hulme, my gt-grandmother was Ellen Smith, Hannah Maria's sister, are you still searching for info?
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Hi irishistory
My gt-gt-gt-grandfather was John Hulme, my gt-grandmother was Ellen Smith, Hannah Maria's sister, are you still searching for info?
HI Cheshire Lass and welcome to Rootschat.
Irishhistory hasn't been online here since 17 October 10,but as we have both now posted here,will be advised of that (as long as they haven't changed their email address) and hopefully come back and reply to you.
Fingers crossed eh ;)
Carol
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Hi carol let's hope lol ::)
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Hi Carole ,
Sorry only just seen this.. ???
you still interested in communication ???
irishistory
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Hi Carole ,
Sorry only just seen this.. ???
you still interested in communication ???
irishistory
Hello there, just back from hols so only just able to reply.
If you read my reply number 52 back in Oct 2016 you will see that it wasn't me who was interested in finding out more,but that I advised Cheshire Lass who was new at the time that you hadn't been online for a long time but that us both posting here would trigger a message to you to come back online.......which you have LOL
Regards
Carol
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Hi Carol8353,
I hope you don't mind me messaging you, but my daughter (Poppy) is researching Cpl Albert Worth as part of a homework project, who we believe to be your grandfather. He is one of her school's adopted war soldiers and she has chosen him because my mother's maiden name is Worth. I do not believe we are related, but she chose to study Albert because of the link in the family name. Last weekend she went to Macclesfield Cemetery and cleaned his grave with her teacher as part of the War Graves Project and we are now starting to research him. However, other than the basic information, we are struggling and wondered if you would be able to help us as we have come across your profile on the Roots page via a Google search.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards,
Claire and Poppy
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Hi Claire
And welcome to Rootschat.Lovely to hear from you.
I cannot go into too much detail now,but if you reply once more on this thread it will open up the personal messaging system to you and we can correspond about my grandad Worth,who died when my mum was only 12,in private.
Best wishes
Carol
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Hi Carol,
Thank you so much for replying, it is really kind of you and I hope you don't mind me messaging. We just thought it was worth a shot but please don't feel you have to.
I have never used the site before so I hope this works.
Many thanks again,
Claire
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Hi Claire
I will send you a PM and then we can converse in private.
Best wishes
Carol
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Hi irishistory
My gt-gt-gt-grandfather was John Hulme, my gt-grandmother was Ellen Smith, Hannah Maria's sister, are you still searching for info?
Cheshire Lass, I'm Back.......and yes would love to communicate.......
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I recently found some more information about one of the people I mentioned in this thread way back when. I include here in case anyone findss the thread and wanted to add to my previous information.
This concerns Ellen Swindells, who took over the provisions dealer shop on the corner of Windmilll Street and Black Road. She was named by Edward as his sister in law, yet tracing her back seemed problematic, the range of different birthplaces was wide, at her second marriage she gave her father's name as Thomas Oliver.
Well I eventually found that she was born to Thomas Oliver and Jane Lomas. They appear tio have posssibly had two marriages , 1809 in Bakewell and 1819 in Hartington, both Derbyshire.
Ellen was born about 1812, no baptism found. I the previous marriage was not this couple then it explains why Ellen LOmas married James Jackson in 1833.
James died in 1867, and Ellen remarried Samuel Swindells in 1868, but he died 18 months later.
I am glad to have partly sorted this out,though it hasn't helped me trace the Jacksons back!