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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: angellize69 on Thursday 06 April 06 19:23 BST (UK)
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Can anybody help me please?
I have my family as living in scotland but i cant go back any futher than 1841 as i cant find james dilworths family anywhere.
He married jean sutherland in 1841 in calton.
I cant find him or his family on any census or on scotlandspeople and its been suggested that mabye they came from ireland.
His dad was george dilworth and his mum elizabeth, but i cant make out her name on a certificate, it looks like dun or dur.
Can anyone advice me where to look next?
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Well there is a very well known DILWORTH School (for boys) in Auckland, New Zealand, started around 1894 by one James Dilworth. :D
Never mind. He was from Co Tyrone, Ireland and his parents were Mary Bell & John Dilworth. :'(
http://www.dnzb.govt.nz/dnzb/default.asp?Find_Quick.asp?PersonEssay=2D11
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Thank you for your reply.Unfortunately this doesnt sound like my james or george, ive searched familysearch.org and they are obvioulsy invisible or i need to visit the opticians!
They must have lived somewhere...but where??
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You are aware that most of the Irish records were lost in 1922?? I believe only the 1901 and 1911 census records are available. :(
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Have you had a look at familysearch.org under the England heading. There are lots of Dilworth's in the Lancashire area from about 1500's onwards. Hope this is of some help to you. Dee
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Try this web address for Griffiths Valuation - only type in surname 'dilworth'. You will get quite a few that may help you in your search.
www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
Good luck
Dee
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Hi just wondered if you knew the following:
1st - DILWORTH
The earliest surname which appears on record is of OTOCK de DILWORTH (de means of) who lived in the village of Dillesworth, Dylworth, Dilworth during 1st half 13c and had 16 acres of land. This was before adoption of surnames, so we find this yeoman OTOCK of DILLSWORTH the name of the place where he lived, in time becoming the surname of his descendants.
It is believed that all the DILWORTH, , DILLWORTHS etc descend from him.
OTOCK de DILWORTH 1256 His Children -Hugh died 1284 married Julianna
and and he had daughter Matilda.
Origin of the name DILWORTH means WHERE THE DILLS GROW.
source OF INFORMATION: from a historian/genealogist who researched the DILWORTH family around 1903. (haven't managed to track down this information, just saw a reference about it). He also stated that all DILWORTHS are direct descendants of a Lord Singleton but have not found any other records etc which confirm this.
DILWORTH is NR Longridge Preston Lancashire England
Only James which I can bring to hand at moment is James Dilworth 1686-1758 from the above area. Going by memory now, as I did all my research years ago, and cannot find it at the moment. He may have moved to the Manchester Area, and was in the cotton industry and later moved to the states. I have the above james ancestors and some of his direct descendants. This is in my family tree.
Hope this of interest, if I can be of further help just let me know
Josephine
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Thank you everyone for your help.
Josephine....i dont suppose you know if any of your dilworths moved to scotland do you?
I have all james's decendents in my tree which you can see at
http://www.angellize.k1z.com/
Thanks again
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Hi
Jusr saw your post, dilworth caught my eye. It's unusual in Ireland, but my great aunt (Walsh) married a Dilworth 1900s here in Limerick and they had a bicycle shop. They are buried in the local graveyard. I don't know the origins of the name, but I don't think they were originally from Limerick. I could try to find out.
Regards
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That would be a great help if you could find out as im still in the dark with this one.
Thanks alot
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I can ask my mother as she remembers them, I'll get back to you as asap
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Thank you.....its much appreciated x
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hi,
there is a better site for griffiths valuation of ireland;
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_start.php
it allows you to look at the actual image and to see other names in the area. a lot of dilworths in armagh and tyrone.
tony
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Thank you...i will have a look there too x
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Hi,
I would like to reply to the person who has ancestors buried locally in Limerick. My Grandfather and his brother came to Limerick in early 1900s to live and each had a bicycle shop. My grandfather was James Thomas and his brother John. James Thomas is buried with his wife in Preston but I would like to know where John is buried. Thanks.
Jim2011.
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Hi Jim
Apologies, I seemed to have lost track of this thread. Anyway John Dilworth was married to my great aunt Margaret Walsh and they are buried in Mt St Lawrence cemetery Limerick. My grandmother was Annie Walsh her sister. My mother sadly died last year (great age) She remembered John Dilworth as beng English and he was a perfect gentleman. There is one of the Dilworths grand daughter living in France married to a Frenchman. She had a lot of photos
I attach a photo of their grave, two of their children are buried in it. Interestingly it right beside graves of two of Margaret's siblings and their spouses
Regards
Tom
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Hi Tom,
So sorry to hear about your mother. But brilliant for the photo. This is my grand uncle. Was trying to search on line books for St. Lawrence Graveyard. The Dilworths in my case came from Bolton / Preston in Lancashire. My grandfather James returned to Bolton after some time. Will post more details in near future. Would you have rough directions in St. Lawrence. My wife also is from Limerick. I am from Dublin.
Thanks a million , Jim.
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Hi Jim, if what you say is correct, I must be your first cousin, James Thomas was my grandfather also, my father being Daniel Patrick. I had no idea you existed, and am amazed to find I have a cousin or cousins I knew nothing about. I am also from Dublin, Walkinstown, where did you live? Did you know about us, I will leave the details for later, don't want to shock you! I look forward to hearing from you, Regards,
Peter Dilworth
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Hi Jim,
Great to hear from you, I have found your birth, and added you to my tree. I'm not here long enough to send you a PM. When I am able to PM, I will give you details to access my tree, which goes back to late1700's. I vaguely remember going to see your dad, Jack, in Cork St., and your brother Bobby calling to Bunting Rd.. I am the youngest of Dan & Peg's 13 children. Unfortunately, we have lost two brothers and one sister. I am attaching a photograph of Dan & Peg in O'Connell St., no date! We seem to have lost a lot of the photographs we had, after my Ma died, so if you have any of your family, I would love to see them. I look forward to hearing from you,
Regards,
Peter
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Hi Peter,
Thanks for the photo of your Mum and Dad. Like yourself I was the last born and when my mother died there was very little photos or information left, the photos seemed to be dispersed. I had a small amount of old ones in a cardboard box but having moved house up to four times can't find them anywhere, perhaps the last place to search is the attic.
I got some information which you may be interested in - there are eight people buried in the grave in Preston.
The owner of the grave was Mary Ellen Dilworth 7 Upper Walker Street.
Anyone requiring a list of these people contact Jim2011 by Personal Message.
Regards Jim 2011
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Hi Jim
Happy new year to you, I was on to my cousin Donal Casey about you. We have the same grandmother Annie Walsh, here is an extract from his email, which will be of interest to you and your cousins.
That’s good about James Dilworth’s * Dilworth is a doctor with a practice in Dublin ? I’m sure Marie Chichignoud (Dilworth), a granddaughter of John, living in France and very interested in the family history would be interested in contacting him. Unfortunately Marie is not directly on the internet, I’ve got her husband’s email * , however, they don’t seem to check it very often, so I use either phone or ‘snail mail’, details as follows (feel free to forward to James’s grandson):-
Mrs. Marie Chichignoud
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Phone +*
Regards
Tom
(*) Moderator Comment: personal details (e-mail, phone number and address etc) removed in accordance with RootsChat policy, to avoid spamming and other abuses. Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
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If either Peter or Jim are still monitoring this thread, I've discovered Limerick CBS school registers referring to the sons of John & James Dilworth.
James dob 15-3-1903
Daniel dob 8-7-1904
Clement dob None
Eric (son of John) dob 5-8-1913
This photograph was taken by the photographer 'Franz S. Haselbeck’ in Limerick, of a couple on an electric bicycle, I beleive it to be James Dilworth and his wife.
(http://www.irishpost.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/limerick-archive-photos/p11-electric-bike-with-trike-attached-man-and-woman.jpg)
There are also photographs of the Bicycle shop in Limerick and of James's brother John, held by his family.
Donal Casey
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JIM2011
Information on the exact whereabouts of John Dilworth's grave can be found here: http://mountsaintlawrence.limerick.ie/content/john-dilworth-1829 (http://mountsaintlawrence.limerick.ie/content/john-dilworth-1829)
Donal Casey
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Going back to the original query and noticing Dee Melodys help I took that further
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation really does focus on the Dilworth /Dillworth population in Ireland before the 1860s, being in six civil parishes
ARMAGH MULLAGHBRACK
ARMAGH SEAGOE
ARMAGH TARTARAGHAN
TYRONE CLONFEACLE
TYRONE DONAGHENRY
TYRONE KILLYMAN
These consisted of over 55 entries consisting of homesteads and a few just renting land The majority of some 40 focused into the civil parish of of Killyman Co Tyrone
There were others of course who escaped the Griffith valuation, there are 6 in Co Down just in the 1860’s as no doubt later Limerick
Analyzing them further for clues, my suggestions for further investigation include
DILWORTH GEORGE TYRONE KILLYMAN
DILWORTH JAMES ARMAGH SEAGOE
DILWORTH JAMES ARMAGH SEAGOE
DILWORTH JAMES ARMAGH TARTARAGHAN
DILWORTH JAMES TYRONE KILLYMAN
DILWORTH JAMES TYRONE KILLYMAN
One can look up the date eg George in the townland of Lowertown in Killyman has 13 good quality acres and a reasonable house valued at £1-15 shillings, compared to lowest worth 5 shillings per annum, or they are excluded from the listings
There were others of course who escaped the Griffith valuation, there are 6 in Co Down just in the 1860’s
So you need to check if anyone has copy of any surviving records church records eg familysearch .com, , I go to the PRONI website so for example for Killyman, their records are
KILLYMAN, COS ARMAGH AND TYRONE
C.I. Annaghmore
[see under LOUGHGALL]
C.I. Brackaville
[see under DONAGHENRY]
C.I. Killyman (Armagh diocese)
Baptisms, 1745-1871; marriages, 1741-1845; burials,
1745-1875; vestry minutes, 1756-1894; confirmations,
1837.
Baptisms, 1872-; marriages, 1845-; burials, 1876-;
registers of vestrymen, 1870-.
MIC583/33-35
In local custody
M. Kinnego
Baptisms, 1874-. (At Moy Church but earlier entries at
Armagh Church) In local custody
M. Laghey
Baptisms, 1830-. (At Dungannon) In local custody
R.C. Killyman
[Forms part of the Roman Catholic parish of
Dungannon – see under DRUMGLASS]
I cant help further , good luck onwards to all, terrific pics JimG
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Hi
Have you looked at variations of the name 'Dilworth'? For instance my Dilworth ancestors came from Seagoe or towns close, in the County of Armagh, Ireland. Looking at my own tree and following the Dilworth male line after my grandmother, it looks like this: Sarah Dilworth - James Dilworth - Richard Dilworth - William Dilworth - William Dilworth - William Dillard. So some time in say, the first third of the 18th century, a Dillard decided to change to Dilworth. I can't remember all variations I have seen to date, but some include Dilleworth, Dillworth and Dullard. There appears to be a link to a town called Dilworth an ancient township in the Ribble Valley, Lancashire, England, which today is part of the small town of Longridge.
Regards
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My great grandmother was a Dilworth from Killyman Tyrone. Unfortunately she died in childbirth and her only daughter Elizabeth Graham was born in the early 1900s and brought up by her Grandfather (I believe James Dilworth) in Killyman, Tyrone Ireland.
Killyman is just outside Coalisland county Tyrone but Elizaabeth and her family are strongly associated with the Moy county Tyrone, again just a short distance from Killyman.
The family would have considered themselves Ulster Scots, as throughout the 1800s and early 1900s many of the residents would have originated in Scotland.
There are still a number of Dilworths living around Killyman today.
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Welcome to RootsChat, the Moy :)
Killyman is just outside Coalisland county Tyrone but Elizaabeth and her family are strongly associated with the Moy county Tyrone, again just a short distance from Killyman.
Here's the link to the civil parish of Killyman, between Coalisland and the Moy. Click in '+' once to see the locations.
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/killyman2/
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I'm late to this post and the mention of Killyman caught my attention re my own dilworth roots. I'll share what I came up with when I visited the burial ground there in 2010. Wilfred Dilworth of Killyman has done extensive genealogical research and met me at the bus in Dungannon to search for my great-grandmother's grave there. She was Sarah Nevill Dilworth who died a a young age in Belfast . Her husband, William Crawford Dilworth was born in Glasgow in 1858. Information from the 1861 Glasgow census. My grandmother was born in Liverpool to Sarah and William and subsequently sailed from Belfast to Canada to join her widowed father. There seems to be a Scotland, Liverpool, Belfast link. If anyone can supply contact information for Wilfred Dilworth in Killyman he's a wealth of information about Dilworths and Killyman area too. I no l9nger have his email address.
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Welcome to RootsChat, kk200 :)
For others reading, William Crawford Dilworth married Sarah Jane Nevill on 13 February 1882 at Killyman Parish Church.
He was a driver, living in the townland of Cohannon.
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-middle/killyman/drumaspil/cohannan/
She was living in Bernagh townland, her father Edward Nevill a farmer.
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-middle/killyman/bernagh/bernagh/
Associated with Sarah Jane Nevill ?
Neville William of Bernagh county Tyrone farmer died 25 September 1930 Probate Londonderry 3 November to William John Edwards and William Neville farmers. Effects £152 15s.
Neville, Thomas John of Bernagh Dungannon county Tyrone retired farmer died 21 November 1960 Probate Londonderry 10 January to Mary Elizabeth Neville the widow. Effects £135 1s. 10d.
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Thank you for this information. William Dilworth emigrated to Quebec Canada after Sarah's death and their two young children, my grandmother being one, joined him after he was established as an Anglican priest here. He then married Mathilda Higginson and had 3 more daughters if anyone is following his thread here and looking for more information. In 2010 when I was looking for Killyman information I received it from the Belfast genealogy forum which is helpful for any genealogical information in Northern Ireland. Another good source I found when there was the library at Ulster Folk Park with its genealogical focus.
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For others reading, William Crawford Dilworth married Sarah Jane Nevill on 13 February 1882 at Killyman Parish Church.
Link-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10955/8004212.pdf
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Thank you for this information. William Dilworth emigrated to Quebec Canada after Sarah's death and their two young children, my grandmother being one, joined him after he was established as an Anglican priest here. He then married Mathilda Higginson and had 3 more daughters if anyone is following his thread here and looking for more information. In 2010 when I was looking for Killyman information I received it from the Belfast genealogy forum which is helpful for any genealogical information in Northern Ireland. Another good source I found when there was the library at Ulster Folk Park with its genealogical focus.
As a matter of interest, how did William go from being a driver to being a priest? The latter requires a university education and a degree in theology. How could he afford the several years, effort and cost required to achieve that as a widower with children?
p.s. What sort of driver - engine driver, cattle driver, omnibus, etc?
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I don't know what kind of driver in NI. On Liverpool information for him his occupation was carter which I think means helping move things e.g. from ports etc so likely that type of work. Re how he became a priest: he had been very active in the Church of Ireland and when he emigrated to Canada he left the 2 daughters with relatives in Belfast for a few years before they joined him. He trained in ministry in Montreal likely with the support of the Anglican community there. I don't know details about the training he received.
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I'm new to this chat. I have been trying to help a distant relative find her Irish Dilworth. This lady was Dilworth on both her paternal and maternal side. We have pretty good records on her paternal side, they came from England. The story of her most distant Dilworth on her mothers side, Capt. John H. Dilworth b. c1745 in Belfast d1797 on Cuberland Island, Camden Co. Georgia.
Does anyone have any information on any Dilworth families from Belfast? I don't find them in Griffiths Valuation. Can anyone offer any advice?
Cheers
Carson
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Re Belfast Dilworth connection have a look at my posts re Belfast Dilworth connection. I haven't had contact for years with Wilfred Dilworth of Dungannon NI who has done extensive research and has a vast knowledge of that family history. If you can reach him he could help you. The Ulster American Folk Park includes the Mellon Centre for Migration Studies near Oomagh was helpful when I visited a number of years ago. They knew Wilfred Dilworth and might be able to provide contact information for him. Online I see PRONI is noted as the main archive for NI so maybe that could be a resource for you. Good luck!
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The Ulster American Folk Park includes the Mellon Centre for Migration Studies near Oomagh was helpful when I visited a number of years ago.
The Mellon Centre for Migration Studies is located at the Ulster American Folk Park, outside Omagh.
https://mellonmigrationcentre.com/
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Does anyone have any information on any Dilworth families from Belfast?
IrishGenealogy - https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Birth, marriage, death results for Dilworth of Belfast. Displaying results 1 - 126
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sjd/
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Maybe this will generate some interest: I am trying to help a distant cousin who has a very interesting situation. Both her father and mother were Dilworths. We have successfully traced her perternal Dilworths to very early settelers of Pennsylvania (came as Quakers in the 1600's with William Penn) and on into Lancashire England. Her maternal Dilworth family traces back to a Capt. John H Dilworth who fought with the British in the American Revolution. The information we have on him is that he was born in abt. 1745 in Dublin. He passed away in 1797 on Cumberland Island, Camden Co. Georgia. He was married to Amarintha Woodland.
Can anyone connect this John H Dilworth with any of the Dilworths from County Antrim?
Cheers
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Does anyone have information on a Christopher John Dilworth born abt. 1799 in or near Dungannon, County Tyrone. He had a son Richard Dilworth born 7 May 1836 in Dunganon who immigrated to Canada due to the potato famin. He was found in Nelson, Ontario in 1861.