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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: bradhurley on Sunday 09 April 06 06:00 BST (UK)
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I have reason to believe that my Walsh ancestors came from Ballyhale. This could be confirmed by locating baptismal records for children of Michael Walsh/Welch and wife Ellen Shea. They had a son James born in 1841-2, and a son John born 1843-1846. Could anyone possibly look this up for me? Thank you very much.
This family ended up in Boston, Jackson County Iowa, Dubuque County Iowa, Hillsborough County NH, and back to Boston.
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Helen Byrne here from Dublin, Ireland.
One of my relations, John Collins, born 1850 in Kilmacow, Co Waterford, Ireland and died in 1930 in Ballyhale, Kilkenny, Ireland. He married a Mary Walsh (always pronounced Welsh) She was from the Welsh Mountains in Co Waterford, i believe. My father, aged 90 only told me a little bit about her as follows:
MARY WALSH OF THE WELSH MOUNTAINS.
Added by byrnemt on 28 Jun 2008
Mary Walsh of the Welsh mountains in Waterford looked old to me. However, she was always very jolly person and appeared to display happiness wherever she went.
They had 5 children that he can remember, Bridie, Elizabeth (Lizzie), Johanna, John (Jack) and Margaret (Maggie) Collins.
My dad knew them all.
OHN COLLINS FROM THE HILL (BALLYHALE)
Added by byrnemt on 3 Sep 2008
John Collins was a very handy man and could turn his hand to any type of work, i.e. thatch houses, make hay, etc. He even grew tobacco one time.
He lived in a thatched cottage and he moved to a modern house near the old house, about 100 yards apart. He went back to remove an outhouse which he had built on the old premises and it collapsed on top of him and he was not found for a number of hours and he died as a result of his injuries in the 1930's. He would have been in his late eighties at the time. (His wife, Mary Walsh was always known as Mary Walsh, never Collins)
NASTASIA HICKEY
Added by byrnemt on 13 Jun 2008
Anastasia Hickey was the grandmother of Ellen Collins, born January 1897. She had six children and some of them went to Chicago, USA. Timothy and Patrick went and some of the girls, Patrick had two daughters, one called Adelaide Collins.
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Irish Graveyard place......: Kilkenny Co : BallyhaleIrish Graveyard place......: Kilkenny Co : Ballyhale. ... Ballyhale is 1.4 miles from Knocktopher graveyard which
Go to GOOGLE and type in Irish graveyard place...
you will find the above link...
There are photographs of the gravestones in Ballyhale.
I came across this some time ago..
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Hi Aislinn,
Helen Byrne here. Thank you for your reply. I have already seen the site re the graveyards and the grave stones. However, I am going to Ballyhale very soon and will visit the church and graveyard.
However, I am delighted to receive your reply. Do you have relatives from Ballyhale. My dad knows all about it and can remember people there who were born the year of the Irish famine, i.e. 1845.
Regards
Helen
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:) my gradmother was a Hanrahen from Ballyhale... still got some realtives there ...
Her people were Holdens..
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Hi Aislinn,
I will ask my dad to day about the Holdens and Hanrahens.
Regards
Helen
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I have reason to believe that my Walsh ancestors came from Ballyhale. This could be confirmed by locating baptismal records for children of Michael Walsh/Welch and wife Ellen Shea. They had a son James born in 1841-2, and a son John born 1843-1846. Could anyone possibly look this up for me? Thank you very much.
This family ended up in Boston, Jackson County Iowa, Dubuque County Iowa, Hillsborough County NH, and back to Boston.
We must some connection. My most distant known ancestor is Edmund Charles Walsh, born about 1829 in County, Kilkenny, Ireland. He immigrated to the U.S. to Boston in about 1848. He learned brick masonry and moved to Dubuque, Iowa where he helped build a hotel there. He then moved to Harrison County in southwest Iowa where he farmed. One of his sons moved to Nebraska which is where I'm from.
I have a 2nd cousin, Dennis Walsh, who has worked hard with a John Walsh to put a lot of information on Edmund Walsh and Walshes in general. See this web site on Edmund and what it is known about his brothers, sisters and parents: http://www.geocities.com/johnwalsh2/articles/Walsh.htm Broken Link
"Family lore mentions a brother of Edmund named Lawrence who lived in New Hampshire and had a large family. The same family of Lawrence (Leander) and Bridget Walsh onboard the Telassar are found living in New Hampshire"
They believe Edmund's parents are "Thomas Walsh and Mary Keefe (Keeffe, O'Keeffe), who lived in the Ballinteskin area of County Kilkenny."
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I have ancestors Walsh or Welsh or Welch from Lincolnshire.The earliest is William Walsh b 1701 in died in Alford, Lincs in 1789. Does anyone have any further information on the migration of this family's ancestral migration from Ireland to Lincolnshire?
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BRAD<
I can confirm Ballyhale baptisms as follows:
James Walsh, b. 6/01/1941 in Stonecarthy, Ballyhale Parish
John Walsh, b. 10/15/1842 in Stonyford, Ballyhale Parish
Catherine Walsh, b. 4/26/1844 in Stonyford, Ballyhale Parish
Parents were Michael Walsh and Ellen Shea. Stonyford is located northeast of Ballinteskin, and pretty much due north of Ballyhale (townland).. The Ballyhale parish includes this whole area. It is far away from Ballinteskin ( where our ancestors come from) that it seems unlikely they are related. However, there are Sheas in Ballinteskin and they have intermarried with the Ballinteskin Walshs. Also, you indicated, "This family ended up in Boston, Jackson County, Iowa, Dubuque County, Iowa, Hillsborough County, NH and back to Boston." This describes our family to a tee. Also I am intrigued you are a Hurley. There are Hurleys in the Ballinteskin area, and they intermarried with the Ballinteskin Walshs. There are also Walshs in Booleyglass ( right next to Ballinteski) that are probably related to our family -- also Lismatigue and Westmoreland. I think it might be worthwhile having some more conversation about this. Except for the distance of Stonyford from Ballinteskin it looks like we might be talking about the same family. Please let me know what you think.
John
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BRAD<
I can confirm Ballyhale baptisms as follows:
James Walsh, b. 6/01/1941 in Stonecarthy, Ballyhale Parish
John Walsh, b. 10/15/1842 in Stonyford, Ballyhale Parish
Catherine Walsh, b. 4/26/1844 in Stonyford, Ballyhale Parish
Parents were Michael Walsh and Ellen Shea. Stonyford is located northeast of Ballinteskin, and pretty much due north of Ballyhale (townland).. The Ballyhale parish includes this whole area. It is far away from Ballinteskin ( where our ancestors come from) that it seems unlikely they are related. However, there are Sheas in Ballinteskin and they have intermarried with the Ballinteskin Walshs. Also, you indicated, "This family ended up in Boston, Jackson County, Iowa, Dubuque County, Iowa, Hillsborough County, NH and back to Boston." This describes our family to a tee. Also I am intrigued you are a Hurley. There are Hurleys in the Ballinteskin area, and they intermarried with the Ballinteskin Walshs. There are also Walshs in Booleyglass ( right next to Ballinteski) that are probably related to our family -- also Lismatigue and Westmoreland. I think it might be worthwhile having some more conversation about this. Except for the distance of Stonyford from Ballinteskin it looks like we might be talking about the same family. Please let me know what you think.
John
Brad Hurley & John Walsh,
Have you considered having the Y DNA of any male of your Walsh paternal lineage tested? I have had mine fully tested and of a type known as R-L21*. There is a Walsh/Welsh/Welch DNA project under FTDNA (a DNA genetic genealogy testing company.)
http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/walsh/results
I'm part of a Walsh family that went from County Kilkenny to Boston to Dubuque, Iowa. The Edmund Charles Walsh (W-25) on the web site above.
The interesting part of the DNA testing is that I'm very closely related to two men in the public databases from Wales, on the southern edge of the Brecon Beacon mountains. Of course, a couple of the Irish Walsh clan progenitors were supposed to have originated in Wales before participating in the Cambro-Norman Invasion of Ireland, c. 1170.
Here is the testing company's web site. http://www.familytreedna.com/
Mike Walsh
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See Post 7 above, My Walsh are my paternal 2great grandmother. Could a DNA test establish a WAlsh connection for me?
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See Post 7 above, My Walsh are my paternal 2great grandmother. Could a DNA test establish a WAlsh connection for me?
Yes, you would have to find a living male relative of your paternal 2x great grandfather and have them tested. It could be a brother, uncle, male cousin, etc. ... just any male living surnamed Walsh genealogically tied to your Walsh.
It's easy. It's ordering the kit for a Y DNA test and swabbing the inside of your cheek with a piece of cotton (like a q-tip) and inserting it back in the vial and shipping it back in the preaddressed package.
Besides the guys from Wales, I've found I'm fairly closely related to a guy named "Welsh" with an ancestor from County Kilkenny.
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Confirm please you mean 2great grandmother. It's somewhat complicated, but it could be possible.
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Confirm please you mean 2great grandmother. It's somewhat complicated, but it could be possible.
Sorry, I can't say that is a certain option.
There are a couple of types of DNA tests. The most common type is for tracking an unbroken paternal lineage. This is called a Y DNA test. I have the same Y chromosome, barring a new mutation which is fairly rare, as my father, as his father (who is from Iowa), as my father's father's father (who is Edmund Walsh from Co. Kilkenny). So the Y DNA, barring adoptions, etc. should go with the paternal surname. This tests just the one of the 46 chromosomes every man has.
I presume your 2g grandmother was born into a Walsh family. That means you'd be looking for any male descendants of her father, father's brothers, father's parternal male cousins. Of course, normally, that means you'd expect that relative to have a Walsh surname.
The science and cost (like $100 or some cases less) efficiency for the Y DNA there is good.
There are other types of DNA tests that can be used for situations where you don't have an unbroken paternal line to a living person you can test. One option autosomal testing where they test the complete (or at least of lot of the) set of 44 chromosomes other than the final XY (for a man) or XX (for a woman.) However this is much more expensive and more difficult to interpret. These other chromosomes, which decide your height, eye color, etc., etc. are literally a blend between the father and mother. After several generations, it may be difficult to find a matching "remnant" of a segment of a chromosome from someone else. I'm not an expert on this. Not a lot of people are doing it yet.
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My 3great grandfather,William Welsh had 3 daughters, and one son also William bapt at WAinfleet Lincs in 1769. If I could find a direct living descendent of him in the male line, then I believe he could provide an appropriate DNA sample. Please confirm.
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Yes, a direct father-son descendant from the 3g grandfather's son or any sons of any possible 3g grandfather brothers would work.
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No known brothers, all I have to do now is determine whether the descent followed through to the present day. Watch this space!
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Mike,
There are some Hurleys buried here at St. Joseph, Prairie (same cemetery as my walsh ancestors are in). Do you have anyone who could be there?
John
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John,
I don't have any information on the Hurley's.
I have a second cousin, Dennis, you may have talked to. I asked him about the St Joseph Prairie cemetery in Dubuque County. I know my most distant known ancestor is Edmund Walsh and he lived in Dubuque but I confirmed in SW Iowa. Dennis indicated
"Edmund is buried in Missouri Valley at Mount Carmel Catholic Cemetery. Back around 1990, my father Jim Walsh worked with the sexton to locate where Edmund was buried and had a a head stone placed there.
Edmund's brother Patrick Walsh is buried near the old Walsh homestead(s) in Washington township, Dubuque County. St. Joseph on the Prairie was the old country church the Walsh families attended there. The church building still stands although it has now been converted into a storage building by the farmer who purchased the land. The small cemetery sits next to it.
John V. Walsh of Dubuque is a descendant of Patrick ....."
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Hi,
Have to tryed to contact the Catholic Church In Ballyhale direct!
I was looking for some ancestors, i wrote to the Parish Priest, enclosing my email address. He emailed me back with 3 Generations
Below are the Church's Contact details
Ballyhale
Telephone: 056 7768686
Fax:
Email: knockcar[at]indigo.ie
John
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I have had occasion to email the Parish Church at Ballyhale some years ago, and I must say, that the Parish Priest concerned, at that time, was extremely obliging and helpfull. He gave me all the information that I required. It was invaluable.
If only other Parishes would be as helpfull. Some don't even have the manners to acknowledge emails. They just completely ignore them.
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Hi John
I just noticed your reply today (1 year later). THANK YOU very much for finding those records for me! It is always a big step when I can find an exact location where a branch of my family lived in Ireland. Where did you find these records? I'd love to take the next step and look for Michael's marriage to see if it lists parents and can connect to the other Walsh families that had similar migration routes through the US.
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Brad
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Mike,
Good idea! As of now, I do not know of any living male WALSHes who descend from my WALSH ancestor. I believe there are some, though, and I could try to track some down although I would expect some resistence to the idea of a DNA test since they wouldn't know me.
Brad