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this link identifies the missing pages
http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/resources/census/missingpieces.jsp
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thanks. It's annoying that the 1861 Ely Census is missing as this one would hold a lot of answers to questions and guestimates.
Apparently the 1861 Ely pages were destroyed in a flood.
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thanks. It's annoying that the 1861 Ely Census is missing as this one would hold a lot of answers to questions and guestimates.
Apparently the 1861 Ely pages were destroyed in a flood.
I know just what you mean-I found two children in Newington on the 1851 but sadly the first page containing their parents is missing :(
Monique
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Well, that explains the problems I've been having in Wales!!!
Thanks for the link.
Sian
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Yep the only rural missing pages in Sussex covers one of my families! Typical!
Didn't know about the Lincs ones, that could explain some problems there too! :)
Kerry
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I have 7 pages missing from the 1861 census in Whitehaven, Cumberland - not mentioned on that list. It could just be me, but the pages definitely jump from 6-14. The relatives I am looking for, after spending days looking for them, are on the pages missing.
Typical >:(
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How are you trying to access the Whitehaven pages? If its through rhe likes of Ancestry then it could be a scanning or linking problem with them.
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It is through Ancestry, you're right. I was going to post on the Cumberland forum, in case somebody has a disc.
Thanks Andy, and welcome :D
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Hi Subaru
Thanks for the welcome. I've come across a similar problem before with Ancestry and a missing page, fortunately it didn't affect me. I'm sure somebody on the Cumberland Forum will be able to help. I too have ancestors from Whitehaven so its handy to know of any potential problem. Findmypast.com also have the 1861 census so if I can't find people on Ancestry then I may try findmypast (not that I have used it before)
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I haven't heard of that site, I'll try it tomorrow when I'm not as tired!!
Which names do you have for Whitehaven?
Rosemary
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My Whitehaven interest is Candlish. They seemed to be mostly mariners who eventually drifted down to Liverpool.
Findmypast used to be 1837online but as I said I have never actually used them myself so I don't know what they are like
Andy
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Weybridge in 1841 is missing too
Bob
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Findmypast seems to have moved the list in the first post, so here's an alternative link
http://www.sweffling.org.uk/1861.htm
edited -sorry this link no longer works. There's one on reply 16 which does.
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My ancestors were at 23 Colville Place, St Pancras, London in 1861 and the census returns for that page have gone missing. Typical as well. But I know all the details so it would not really tell me much new but knowing my luck there may have been an elderly aunt with them for all I know.
I wonder what happened to those missing pages in terms of losses, either flood, or just mislaid and are hiding in some vault somehwere awaiting to be discovered???
Ben
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Perhaps this thread is a good place to ask.
When you click on a civil parish in Ancestry, it takes you to the enumeration districts. If the numbers are not consecutive, should we suspect that something is missing? Or is this quite normal?
I have just looked for North Harborne, Staffs, which has just two districts, 14 and 16. Should there be a 15?
I did once ask Ancestry about a similar "missing" district, and was told that they were "not aware of any missing district" (but they would say that, wouldn't they!)
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Hi,
In 2006 (I know a long time ago) you helped someone with reference to missing pages of the census 1861. I am trying to find family members in 1871 in Plymouth, is it possible that these pages could be missing too?
I've tried accessing the web link that you gave to the other person (shown below) but it doesn't work anymore. Is there somewhere else I can find out what pages are missing from the census of all years?
http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/resources/census/missingpieces.jsp
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Michaela
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Try this one
http://www.findmypast.com/helpadvice/knowledge-base/census/#issues
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The National Archives shows these PIECE #s for 1871 and makes no comment about them being completely or partially Missing or Wanting ...
RG 10/2112 Registration Sub-District 1A Charles Civil Parish, Township or Place: Plymouth (6): Charles (pt) (Divided between RG 10/2109 & 2112-2116) 1871
RG 10/2117 Registration Sub-District 2A St Andrew Civil Parish, Township or Place: Plymouth: St Andrew (pt) (Divided between RG 10/2109 & 2117-2123) 1871
RG 10/2124 Civil Parish, Township or Place: Plymouth Lighthouses and Breakwater 1871
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I don't think these always make sense
Bob
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They estimate that about 5 to 10% of the 1861 census is missing.
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Both of the links given in this thread now result in an error. Does anyone have an up-to-date link which provides this information ..... or have the missing pages been found? ???
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The link given in reply 16 still works.
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Oops! You're quite right JenB, I'd only seen the first 2 of the 3 links given. Many thanks and apologies. :-[
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I wonder if any missing pieces are still lurking in some vault somewhere?
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For some missing images on Ancestry, it may be worthwhile contacting National Archives.
Mick
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Another area that is missing some pages is Forest Gate, West Ham. Essex
The area ends at Folio 216 which is page 36 (it is heavily damaged).
Folio 198 says there should be 54 pages following it, so 18 pages of Forest Gate are missing, including Whitehall place. :'(
I have checked all the websites and even the Microfilm at the Essex Record Office. I spoke to National Archives and they said the only public access is to a copy of the same microfilm so I very much doubt the pages exist?
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The link given in reply #16 doesn't work any more.
This one does:
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/helpadvice/knowledge-base/census/index.jsp#issues
I was helping someone with a query for Esher - piece 457. Looking sequentially through FindMyPast pages, the following pages ONLY are there:
Folio 1: Summary pages i to iv, pages 1 and 2
Folio 2: doesn't appear to exist
Folio 3: Summary pages v and vi, pages 3 & 4
Folio 4: Summary pages v and vi, pages 1 & 2
Folio 5: pages 1, 2, 3 and 4
Folio 6: pages 3, 4, 5 and 6
Folio 7: pages 5, 6, 7 and 8
and so on.
Is it normal for each folio to contain just 4 pages?
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- Is it just me, really?
If "they" estimate 5 - 10% of the 1861 census is missing - how come they all seem to be my ancestors? So many seem absent in that vital year.
Do you think they were all huddled together on a remote mountain top, to outwit the "Nosey parkers"??
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Hi there
The FindMyPast site doesn't seem to give the bits of the 1861 Census that are missing any more? Does anyone know whether the 1861 Census exists for Stoke Damerel (now Devonport) Devon, cos I can't find any of my rellies in 1861, they are there in 1841, 1851 and 1871, but not 1861 ??? I also have lost track of children at home in 1851, but by 1871 have moved on, and I don't know where they are!!
Thanks
Mand
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It's still there!
Now at http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/world-records/full-list-of-united-kingdom-records/census-land-and-surveys/1861-england-wales-and-scotland-census
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Thanks KGarrad, I couldn't find it! Still finding my way round the new site! :D
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You will find the most detailed information on 1861 missing pages by searching The National Archives catalogue. Use the advanced search, put in 'missing' OR 'wanting' as key words, and restrict the search to series RG 9. You get the following results:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_srt=1&_or1=missing&_or2=wanting&_cr1=rg+9&_dss=range&_ro=any&_hb=tna (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_srt=1&_or1=missing&_or2=wanting&_cr1=rg+9&_dss=range&_ro=any&_hb=tna)
You can do the same with other census years, but the information is less detailed. The detailed 1861 information was added by TNA only within the last year or so, as far as I know.
1861 has more bits missing than any other year, because it was kept in poor conditions for some time. GRO staff once had to refer to the books to verify ages for pension purposes, and pulling the books out and shoving them back took its toll, mainly on the front and back pages. The total amount missing is about 5%.
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Is there somewhere that explains the missing addresses?
I am looking for St Brides Buildings which came under the district of St John the Evangelist, Westminster in the 1851 census. I've looked at various lists of missing sections, but can't find anything that gives details of the missing addresses.
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I am looking for St Brides Buildings which came under the district of St John the Evangelist, Westminster in the 1851 census.
In 1861, try RG9/50 fol 90 pp 27-28.
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Is there somewhere that explains the missing addresses?
Registration districts with a population of 40,000+ were street-indexed. For those districts, there is some information on missing streets and parts of streets on this archived site ...
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121228200517/http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Help:Census_Street_searches
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