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Title: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: mc8 on Friday 14 April 06 23:16 BST (UK)
this link identifies the missing pages


http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/resources/census/missingpieces.jsp
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: AndrewMartin on Tuesday 25 April 06 13:16 BST (UK)
thanks.  It's annoying that the 1861 Ely Census is missing as this one would hold a lot of answers to questions and guestimates.

Apparently the 1861 Ely pages were destroyed in a flood.
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: mc8 on Tuesday 25 April 06 22:15 BST (UK)
thanks.  It's annoying that the 1861 Ely Census is missing as this one would hold a lot of answers to questions and guestimates.

Apparently the 1861 Ely pages were destroyed in a flood.
I know just what you mean-I found two children in Newington on the 1851 but sadly the first page containing their parents is missing  :(
Monique
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: sianb on Monday 12 February 07 12:35 GMT (UK)
Well, that explains the problems I've been having in Wales!!!

Thanks for the link.

Sian
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: kerryb on Monday 12 February 07 12:47 GMT (UK)
Yep the only rural missing pages in Sussex covers one of my families!  Typical!

Didn't know about the Lincs ones, that could explain some problems there too! :)

Kerry
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: Subaru on Wednesday 21 February 07 00:07 GMT (UK)
I have 7 pages missing from the 1861 census in Whitehaven, Cumberland - not mentioned on that list.  It could just be me, but the pages definitely jump from 6-14.  The relatives I am looking for, after spending days looking for them, are on the pages missing.

 Typical >:(

Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: andycand on Wednesday 21 February 07 00:56 GMT (UK)
How are you trying to access the Whitehaven pages? If its through rhe likes of Ancestry then it could be a scanning or linking problem with them.
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: Subaru on Wednesday 21 February 07 01:00 GMT (UK)
It is through Ancestry, you're right.  I was going to post on the Cumberland forum, in case somebody has a disc.

Thanks Andy, and welcome :D
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: andycand on Wednesday 21 February 07 01:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Subaru

Thanks for the welcome.  I've come across a similar problem before with Ancestry and a missing page, fortunately it didn't affect me. I'm sure somebody on the Cumberland Forum will be able to help. I too have ancestors from Whitehaven so its handy to know of any potential problem. Findmypast.com also have the 1861 census so if I can't find people on Ancestry then I may try findmypast (not that I have used it before)

Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: Subaru on Wednesday 21 February 07 02:12 GMT (UK)
I haven't heard of that site, I'll try it tomorrow when I'm not as tired!!

Which names do you have for Whitehaven?

Rosemary
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: andycand on Wednesday 21 February 07 02:52 GMT (UK)
My Whitehaven interest is Candlish. They seemed to be mostly mariners who eventually drifted down to Liverpool.
Findmypast used to be 1837online but as I said I have never actually used them myself so I don't know what they are like
Andy
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: stonechat on Monday 19 March 07 08:52 GMT (UK)
Weybridge in 1841 is missing too


Bob
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 20 May 08 09:52 BST (UK)
Findmypast seems to have moved the list in the first post, so here's an alternative link

http://www.sweffling.org.uk/1861.htm



edited -sorry this link no longer works. There's one on reply 16 which does.
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: coombs on Saturday 09 August 08 14:38 BST (UK)
My ancestors were at 23 Colville Place, St Pancras, London in 1861 and the census returns for that page have gone missing. Typical as well. But I know all the details so it would not really tell me much new but knowing my luck there may have been an elderly aunt with them for all I know.

I wonder what happened to those missing pages in terms of losses, either flood, or just mislaid and are hiding in some vault somehwere awaiting to be discovered???

Ben
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: Sloe Gin on Monday 26 January 09 14:06 GMT (UK)
Perhaps this thread is a good place to ask.

When you click on a civil parish in Ancestry, it takes you to the enumeration districts.  If the numbers are not consecutive, should we suspect that something is missing?  Or is this quite normal?

I have just looked for North Harborne, Staffs, which has just two districts, 14 and 16.  Should there be a 15?

I did once ask Ancestry about a similar "missing" district, and was told that they were "not aware of any missing district" (but they would say that, wouldn't they!)
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: mikkijane on Saturday 21 February 09 14:05 GMT (UK)
Hi,

In 2006 (I know a long time ago) you helped someone with reference to missing pages of the census 1861.  I am trying to find family members in 1871 in Plymouth, is it possible that these pages could be missing too?

I've tried accessing the web link that you gave to the other person (shown below) but it doesn't work anymore.  Is there somewhere else I can find out what pages are missing from the census of all years?

http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/resources/census/missingpieces.jsp

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Michaela
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: JenB on Saturday 21 February 09 14:07 GMT (UK)
Try this one

http://www.findmypast.com/helpadvice/knowledge-base/census/#issues
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: Necromancer on Saturday 21 February 09 14:13 GMT (UK)
The National Archives shows these PIECE #s for 1871 and makes no comment about them being completely or partially Missing or Wanting ...

RG 10/2112 Registration Sub-District 1A Charles Civil Parish, Township or Place: Plymouth (6): Charles (pt) (Divided between RG 10/2109 & 2112-2116) 1871

RG 10/2117 Registration Sub-District 2A St Andrew Civil Parish, Township or Place: Plymouth: St Andrew (pt) (Divided between RG 10/2109 & 2117-2123) 1871

RG 10/2124 Civil Parish, Township or Place: Plymouth Lighthouses and Breakwater 1871
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: stonechat on Saturday 21 February 09 22:08 GMT (UK)
I don't think these always make sense

Bob
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: coombs on Wednesday 10 February 10 09:39 GMT (UK)
They estimate that about 5 to 10% of the 1861 census is missing.
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: Latchfordian on Tuesday 23 February 10 15:14 GMT (UK)
Both of the links given in this thread now result in an error. Does anyone have an up-to-date link which provides this information ..... or have the missing pages been found?  ???
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 23 February 10 15:18 GMT (UK)
The link given in reply 16 still works.
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: Latchfordian on Tuesday 23 February 10 15:27 GMT (UK)
Oops! You're quite right JenB, I'd only seen the first 2 of the 3 links given. Many thanks and apologies.   :-[
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: coombs on Wednesday 24 February 10 13:57 GMT (UK)
I wonder if any missing pieces are still lurking in some vault somewhere?
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: bikermickau on Thursday 01 April 10 06:19 BST (UK)
For some missing images on Ancestry, it may be worthwhile contacting National Archives.

Mick
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: tbirduk on Thursday 13 January 11 11:53 GMT (UK)
Another area that is missing some pages is Forest Gate, West Ham. Essex
The area ends at Folio 216 which is page 36 (it is heavily damaged).

Folio 198 says there should be 54 pages following it, so 18 pages of Forest Gate are missing, including Whitehall place. :'(

I have checked all the websites and even the Microfilm at the Essex Record Office. I spoke to National Archives and they said the only public access is to a copy of the same microfilm so I very much doubt the pages exist?



Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 25 January 11 12:18 GMT (UK)
The link given in reply #16 doesn't work any more.
This one does:
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/helpadvice/knowledge-base/census/index.jsp#issues

I was helping someone with a query for Esher - piece 457. Looking sequentially through FindMyPast pages, the following pages ONLY are there:

Folio 1: Summary pages i to iv, pages 1 and 2
Folio 2: doesn't appear to exist
Folio 3: Summary pages v and vi, pages 3 & 4
Folio 4: Summary pages v and vi, pages 1 & 2
Folio 5: pages 1, 2, 3 and 4
Folio 6: pages 3, 4, 5 and 6
Folio 7: pages 5, 6, 7 and 8
   and so on.

Is it normal for each folio to contain just 4 pages?
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Friday 21 December 12 14:53 GMT (UK)
- Is it just me, really?
If "they" estimate 5 - 10% of the 1861 census is missing - how come they all seem to be my ancestors? So many seem absent in that vital year.
Do you think they were all huddled together on a remote mountain top, to outwit the "Nosey parkers"??
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: Rainbow Quartz on Sunday 20 July 14 22:03 BST (UK)
Hi there
The FindMyPast site doesn't seem to give the bits of the 1861 Census that are missing any more? Does anyone know whether the 1861 Census exists for Stoke Damerel (now Devonport) Devon, cos I can't find any of my rellies in 1861, they are there in 1841, 1851 and 1871, but not 1861 ??? I also have lost track of children at home in 1851, but by 1871 have moved on, and I don't know where they are!!
Thanks
Mand
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 20 July 14 22:12 BST (UK)
It's still there!

Now at http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/world-records/full-list-of-united-kingdom-records/census-land-and-surveys/1861-england-wales-and-scotland-census
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: Rainbow Quartz on Sunday 20 July 14 22:21 BST (UK)
Thanks KGarrad, I couldn't find it! Still finding my way round the new site! :D
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: Mean_genie on Wednesday 08 April 15 23:11 BST (UK)
You will find the most detailed information on 1861 missing pages by searching The National Archives catalogue. Use the advanced search, put in 'missing' OR 'wanting' as key words, and restrict the search to series RG 9. You get the following results:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_srt=1&_or1=missing&_or2=wanting&_cr1=rg+9&_dss=range&_ro=any&_hb=tna (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_srt=1&_or1=missing&_or2=wanting&_cr1=rg+9&_dss=range&_ro=any&_hb=tna)

You can do the same with other census years, but the information is less detailed. The detailed 1861 information was added by TNA only within the last year or so, as far as I know.

1861 has more bits missing than any other year, because it was kept in poor conditions for some time. GRO staff once had to refer to the books to verify ages for pension purposes, and pulling the books out and shoving them back took its toll, mainly on the front and back pages. The total amount missing is about 5%.
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: C-A on Saturday 18 November 17 14:13 GMT (UK)
Is there somewhere that explains the missing addresses? 

I am looking for St Brides Buildings which came under the district of St John the Evangelist, Westminster in the 1851 census. I've looked at various lists of missing sections, but can't find anything that gives details of the missing addresses.
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: Bookbox on Saturday 18 November 17 14:20 GMT (UK)
I am looking for St Brides Buildings which came under the district of St John the Evangelist, Westminster in the 1851 census.
In 1861, try RG9/50 fol 90 pp 27-28.
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: Bookbox on Saturday 18 November 17 14:26 GMT (UK)
Is there somewhere that explains the missing addresses?

Registration districts with a population of 40,000+ were street-indexed. For those districts, there is some information on missing streets and parts of streets on this archived site ...

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121228200517/http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Help:Census_Street_searches
Title: Re: missing pages of the 1861
Post by: brockmuir on Monday 16 December 19 22:02 GMT (UK)
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