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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Pippakit on Saturday 15 April 06 02:21 BST (UK)
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Can anyone tell me which part of Manchester, the parish of St George covered in the 1800s? I have 2 street names which I think are in this area, Worsley Street and Osborne Street, does that help?
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HI ther, it wasnt St Georges church in Abbey Hey Gorton was it.
bye for now Michael
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I think it might have been the Collyhurst/Ancoats/Ardwick type area. I don't know Manchester too well, so I'm not sure if this is right. I know there was a St Georges church off Oldham Road, but I don't know if that was classed as St Georges Parish. There is also a reference to St Georges in the Field. Is this the same church/area? Is Gorton in this area?
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Hi Pippa kit
You could look on the following site:
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries/arls/registers/index.htm
this should give you some insight to the churches in the Manchester area.
Hope you find what you want.
Regards Ericx
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Hi Pippa kit, i did a search on google and found St George Parish churches at stalybridge, Salford , Bolton. St George in Gorton is no where near Ardwick sorry, I have ancestors from That area too
hope this helps , i,ll keep trying
bfn Michael
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Hi Pippa kit, i had another look on google.
I found St Georges 42 Worsley street Manchester, havent found where yet though , I think it is in the Salford area though.
bfn Michael :)
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Hello Pippa kit,
I am just wondering whether you are really looking for the Parish of St. George, or are you confusing that with the Sub-registration District of St George?
The Registration District of Manchester is further divided into 3 Sub-registration Districts:
Ancoats
Central
St. George
When you buy a certificate from the General Registrar's Office, this is clearly written at the top of the Certificate.
When you buy a certificate from the Local Office, it does not always seem to be written.
We often hear of the flood-damaged Census returns for Manchester, and they usually refer to the area of St. George. In that case, it is the Sub-registration District of St. George that people are talking about.
I hope that helps you a little,
UKgirl
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Hi Pippa kit
This is a section of a map from 1893 showing the 2 streets you our looking for. The only reference I can find to St Georges ward was from an 1848 map on www.old-maps.co.uk this put them both in the Miles Platting area of Manchester.
Worsley street has gone but part of Osbourne street can still be seen today but I dont know what it looks like.
This site http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/ will give you one not very good image of Osbourne street and some "but not sure they are the right street" of Worsley street.
Send me a PM if you would like and enlarged copy of this map, but please note you will need broadband as it is 12 meg in size.
If I get time I will have a look at Osbourne street and let you know
:( Sorry cannot upload map - I will contact admin and get it sorted ) :(
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The information I am working on is firstly on the following burial record:
The entry in the parish records states that ‘she was of 49 Osborne Street, Parish of St George, Manchester, died at Bebington’.
And secondly a marriage certificate where the couple were married at the Church of St George in the City of Manchester, their address being 51 Worsley Street. As this was the daughter of the above lady, I assume they are the same area or the same St George.
I have also done a search for Worsley Street on the 1901 census and there appears to be a Worsley Street in the Ecclesiastical district of St George, Hulme, South Manchester and one in the Ecclesiastical district of St George in the Field, North Manchester. As the first street seems to be mainly industrial type buildings and the second one consists of house numbers, I'm very confused! As my family had left Worsley Street by 1901, I can't discover which Worsley Street they lived in.
I have looked at the pictures of Worsley Street on the link you sent Kenhar, and they appear to be from different streets. As some of them mention Somerset Place, Worsley Street, would this be a clue? Where is/was Somerset Place?
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Going back to the 1848 map Osborne Street was a few streets away from St George Church, in fact what is now Rochdale road was called St George road. The church had gone by 1891 under the tracks of a goods yard.
I will keep looking
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:) Right having just watched united beat totty lets get back to this.
Somerset Place was the next street down from Worsley Street on the 1891 map ;D
Osborne - Worsley - Somerset in 1891 were all terraced houses not industrial
I think the odds on another area with all the same streets back to back and a st georges church a few streets away are very remote.
This area is Miles Platting and borders New Cross.
But just to add a little confusion http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/ does show Somerset place and Worsley st as being in Ancoats, but again Ancoats and New Cross border each other.
Regards
Ken
Ps
sorry still cannot upload map, says "upload folder full"
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Thanks very much for your help. I think it pretty much answers my question. If you do sort out the problem with the map, I would be interested to see it.
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There's a St Georges,Hulme and there is a Worsley street still there.
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1848 & 1891 maps
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Thank you so much for the maps. The 1841 map is very clear. It now gives me a good idea of the area my relatives lived. I can now see the relationship between Somerset Place and Worsley Street which is shown on the old Manchester photos, they were back to backs.
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oops, I've looked at the maps again and I see it was the 1891 map which is the very clear one.
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I know this is an old post but I have just come across it whilst looking for 120 Osborne Street in relation to my own family. At the top of the Census 1861 I have for them it says Ecclesiastical Parish of St Georges and Municipal Ward of St Michaels. They later lived in Back Irk Street so I think that Osborne Street does come under the Angel Meadow area. What number did your relatives live at?
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Hi, A good website to check out is www.genuki.org.uk
Megran.
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Thanks Megran, will do.
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Hi, this has been helpful for me as I am also looking at St George area.
Does anyone know if 1891 census pages are missing for this area? I'm looking for 40 Percival Street which is in District 1 on the census returns but there are no pages with that street on.
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Hi,
40 Percival St is marked 'empty' RG12/3245/29 page 51.
There is a Horsfall Bowker age 47 at 38 Percival St, if that makes it easier to find.
It is in sub-registration district St George, district no 15a. Maybe it was a street that crossed district boundaries.
On the old map (dated 1891) it is the only Percival St that I can see in the area. There is another one in Miles Platting.
Hope that helps
:) Barbara
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Many thanks Barbara, I have been looking at the same maps!
I had my gt grandfather's death cert so knew it was St George. After I'd posted another friend sent me all the RG numbers for Manchester St George and I went through all the descriptions until I found it in District 15a as you say. Was disappointed to see it was empty because my family were living there in 1888 my gt grandfather died there in 1897 Nine years seems like a long time in one property in those times. I suppose they could have come back to it.
Thanks again for a quick response.
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St. George; Manchester was in the area now known as the "Northern Quarter" of central Manchester and can be found by maps from 1850 to 1890. The St Georges road ran from Shudehill (by Smithfield market) parallel to Great Ancoats Street roughly to the area which is now Stephenson square.
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There were two St.George`s Churches.
The first was on a side street running off the old Rochdale Road,which at that time was called St.George`s Road. That was demolished possibly something to do with developing the area.
The new one was on Oldham Road and my father was baptised there.1897.
St George`s was a registration district and appears on census returns.
.Although the second church was on busy Oldham Rd it was still called St.George`s in the Fields.
My father also attended the day school, living in Reather St and Apollo st.
Viktoria.
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HI pipikit
the parish of st George was Hulme Manchester.
mitmoor
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The first post in this topic mentions Osborne St.
There was one of that name near the St.Grorge`s I mentioned.
On that street there were swimming baths and Osborne St.School was famous for the prowess of of
its medal winning swimmers.
You are correct in saying there was a St George`s church in Hulme but given the surrounding street names I am sure it is the Oldham Rd. one which formerly had been on another close by street.
Go to Manchester Photographic Archives and there is a photograph of the church on Oldham Rd.
Also the inside.Viktoria.
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Hi - I have ancestors listed in 1851 census living in Primrose St, Ancoats - "ecclesiastical district of St George"
It is spitting distance from Oldham Road where there was a St George's Church. Found this page on it:
https://manchestervictorianarchitects.org.uk/buildings/church-of-st-george-oldham-road-ancoats-manchester
In 1851 the predecessor to this church built 1874-77 would have been my ancestors' place of worship.