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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: Andy Pay on Sunday 16 April 06 13:09 BST (UK)
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Wonder if anyone can help me re the Census with a gentleman that has popped up in The Times P.O.W. lists.
Rifleman Ernest H. Troxon # B/203442, 1st Battalion Rifle Brigade
He appears in The Times POW List of 23/12/16 and it states Barking. However being completely useless at the Census I was wondering if some kind sole would help me here to enable a few loose ends to be tied up.
Andy
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That's certainly a mystery surname Andy ???
I did wonder about the "spelling" but see he's in the medal rolls too :-\
Casalguidi
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Aha Casalguidi,
One step ahead of you, checked the medal rolls before posting because of the name, Ernest Howard by the way, he appears in WO329-1718 page B1727. The B/200000 + indicate transfered from the Training Reserve but cannot find him in the TR definetely in WO329-1718 though.
Andy
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andy,i get this all the time,i have just found a bloke who was supposed to be called james choss,manchester regt,these details were sent in by his family,theres no such man,it turns out that his name is cross,its probably a mistranscription[wow thats a big word for me] cas or one of the gang will probably find him for you,they luv a challenge,mack
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Hi Mack,
Too true about the spellings, have pulled a lot of hair out before now looking through the MIC's. Record to date is 6 MIC's for the same man, no record on the NA search engine so had to do it manually. Makes you wonder about the MIC's at times.
Re Troxon, all Regimental data states that spelling but one has too wonder about the wonders of the transcription which was after all done after the war, but in this case the MIC and Medal Rolls give the same name and number spelt this particular way.
Gone through all the variations in this case but coming up with zero, I was hoping that the Census would confirm.
Andy
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theres a lad in the manchester regt who had an unusual name,i couldnt find him anywhere in the census,turns out he was born in san antonio,his mum came over to manchester to work at the deaf and dumb school in manchester just before the war,he may have come over from canada,oz or NZ,or even the states,mack
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Andy !
When you say Barking ..... was he born there - live there or enlist there ?
by any chance do you have his next of kin ? ::) or age ?
Annie
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Hi Annie,
The only clue as to the whereabouts of this man is in the Times list of POW's of Saturday 23/12/16 where it gives his regimental details and in brackets (Barking E.). One can only presume that is Barking, Essex, East London.
No record survives unfortunately in the WO series, sorry to have so little on him, hence the problem tie-ing up the loose ends.
Andy
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betcha hes an american,mack
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Mack,
You could be right, I just hate loose ends.
Andy
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Possible ................. Ernest Howard TRAXON birth registered Dec 1884 Romford Essex registration district
Casalguidi
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1891
117 Worth or North St, Barking
William TRAXON head mar 36 gas fitter b.St Albans Herts
Elizabeth wife 33 b.Grays Essex
Ernest son 6 b.Barking
Edwin son 2 b.Barking
Olive dau 1 b.Barking
Rg12/1372 folio 14 page 22
Casalguidi :)
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Wow,
Looks like a possibility, thank you Casaguidi.
Andy
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Barking is not that far away either, me thinks a trip to Barking library could be in order if they have the local newspapers there. Will have to check.
Andy
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And here they are in 1901
119 North St, Barking
William TRAXON head mar 43 plumber b.St Albans Herts
Elizabeth wife 43 confectioner's shop keeper b.Grays Essex
Ernest son 16 photographer glass works b.Barking
Edwin son 12 b.Barking
Olive dau 11 b.Barking
Myrtle dau 8 b.Barking
Rg13/1654 folio 48 page 23
Yes, I would say it's a good possibility - the nearest I could see anyway :)
Casalguidi
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Many thanks indeed, it looks like a good possibilty. Barking to be visited shortly I think to check it out if not Collindale.
Thank you all once again.
Andy
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I think you've got it Casalguidi !!
I was looking at Herbert Trackson and Ernest H Luxton ....... neither of which were in Barking ..... !! ::) ::) ::)
Good eye !! ( as they say in baseball !! :) )
Annie :)
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Andy, seeing as he's another one of "your lot" do you reckon this Edward W could be his brother Edwin Walter
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0d2/ ???
Casalguidi
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Just checking that through at the moment, as soon as you came up with Traxon I checked that out with other RB men.
Andy
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The number sequence could match, will have to check as the numbers 40432 to 58074 were either Territorials attached to the Rifle Brigade, transfers from other units and the Training Reserve.
Will do some digging.
Thanks, it is all much appreciated.
Andy
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andy,i told you cas or one of the gang would crack it,he looks a likely candidate,mack
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Mack,
You were absolutely right, I am now dancing around my computer as this one was giving me a headache. It will also teach me to brush up on the Census, just never been able to deal with it.
Looks like a sound candidate but will check through the papers, so thank you thank you.
Andy
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;D ; ;D looks like we all headed for the same place when cas came up with traxon.mack
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andy,the census is my downfall as well,cant seem to get the hang of it,thats why i came on here originally,cant seem to get off now,mack
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andy,did you get those bits of info that i posted on the ww1 photo thread,mack
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Mack,
Yes I did thanks, also had a gentleman contact me through you with a bit of info on his relation in the RB's, now helping him with details of the Battalions exploits (3rd).
Did you get my PM re Lawson, just wondered if you had Sidney Sussex College Roll or Haileybury College.
Andy
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here ya go andy,Lt r h lawson,rifle brigade,MC,MID,wounded,KIA on the somme 24-8-1916,he went to sidney sussex college in 1912,i dont have the other colleges roll,but i do have cambridges,i will post any RB i find in the papers on the same thread as the others,they keep turning up in the newspaper pages that i have,mack
ps i will check the inns of court for LT lawson
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andy,i forgot to mention,i have the sandhurst roll of honour,theres 70 RB officers in it,it only gives name,rank and decorations and year of death,do you want the names,mack
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Mack,
Would love them, Lawson is not in the Inns of Court. He came from Chiselhurst, I have his Officers Papers but I am looking for a decent photograph of him.
He was wounded at Hooge in the First attack by the Germans using Flamethrowers on British Forces and was wounded approximately 10 yards away from where Sydney Woodroffe was killed after winning the first V.C. of the New Army. One of the reasons for my recent visit to Ypres, to walk over the Battlefield.
Andy
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Mack,
Reason for asking is
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And
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And
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Rear of M.C.
One of my most cherished groups.
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absolutely fantastic,andy can you pm me your e,mail,i will send a scan of the RB officers list from sandhurst,it may save me a lot of typing if you can read it,mack
ps,i will check the de ruvigny rolls of honour for your man,mack
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andy,theres an entry for him but no picture.
Lt reginald hugh lawson MC,7th service batt rifle brigade,eldest son of hugh lawson,brother of 2/Lt c d n lawson,born 1893,educated amesbury school bickley,haileybury college[gaining an entrance and also a under 16 scholarship and a leaving exhibition,] sidney sussex college cambridge[entrance scholarship 1912] applied for a commission when war broke out and joined the OTC at royston,gazetted 2/Lt 2-9-1914 in 7th RB,completed his training at aldershot,went to france with his batt 19th may 1915,wounded on 30-7-1915 and returned to england in august,attatched to res batt RB for light duties nov 1915,promoted Lt 9-1-1916,rejoined his old batt at the front on 5th june 1916,was killed by shellfire while out working with a digging party in front of the lines in the early morning of 24th july 1916 near mametz wood,he was MID by FM sir john french[LG 1-1-1916]awarded MC [LG 14-1-1916]for services on 30-7-1915.
his MC was gazetted on my birthday
mack
forgot a bit,his father resided at camden rise,chislehurst
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andy theres an entry for his brother as well,mack
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Hi Mack,
Many thanks, another reason for my attachment to this group is that the reserve Battalion he was posted to was the 14th which was formed in my home town and was still here when he was posted to them.
The action that he was wounded in I have done a lot of research on, it still never fails to amaze me, the more I dig the more it amazes me.
Andy
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Edward James Kay-Shuttleworths drawing of where Woodroffe, Talbot and Lawson fell from his memorial book.
Hm , not allowing images to be posted now, do we have a problem????
Andy
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Yes, there is a problem uploading images at present - no doubt the administrators will get working on it as soon as possible
Casalguidi
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Mack,
Got the Sandhurst Roll for the Rifle Brigade, many thanks again.
Andy
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your welcome mate,mack
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Try this again
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final resting place
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So young ..... ! :'( and his brother too ! the family sacrificed didn't they ?
That map is something else - fancy being able to pinpoint exactly where he died !! amazing !!
Thanks for showing us Andy !!
Annie :)
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Edgeof Zouave Wood looking up to Menin Road
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The Strand Communication trench shown in sketch is the track on the right side of Hooge Crater Cemetery
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The fence line in the foreground is the very edge of Zuoave wood
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Mack,
I have managed to get hold of the Haileybury and Imperial Service College Register from 1862 to 1994. Lists all the students and their War Srevice if you need anything from it.
Andy
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Hello Andy Pay
I'm looking for information about Reginald Hugh Lawson and his brother Cecil David Norton Lawson. I saw in this topic that you had officer papers and some lovely pictures of his medals.
Did you ever end up finding a photograph?
These two are distantly related to my mother, and i'm spending my lockdown doing family history. I can't send a PM for some reason, so I thought to post in here instead.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA.
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My son found pictures of both him and his brother. I've uploaded them here for you.