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Title: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: Jed Stu on Saturday 22 April 06 22:14 BST (UK)
Please can you help find some 1841 to 1901 Census details for Ambrose Brazier’s parents and family?
Also, is it possible to find any Army details on him?

AMBROSE BRAZIER
Born 14th June 1905  Furneux Pelham, Hertfordshire England

I’ve been told that Ambrose and his father* were both MALTSTERS at the local brewery in Furneux Pelham.
Ambrose had sisters and he was in the ARMY during WW2?
Sorry I don’t have any more details on Ambrose Brazier.

BMD details:

Ambrose Brazier
b. Sep 1905 Ware 3a 713

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‘Very Possible’ parents for Ambrose Brazier

*Fred Brazier
b. Jun 1877 Ware 3a 291


**Winifred Ambrose
b. Dec 1879 Royston 3a 355


*Fred Brazier
m. Sept 1900  Royston 3a 1031
**Winifred Ambrose


Could someone please check the 1891 & 1901 census returns to see if the following 1881 Census details are correct and they are Ambrose’s only possible family & option?

1881    Ref: Musley, Ware Hertford, England RG11 1402 / 26 45   FHLF 1341342

Charles BRAZIER HM     32 Ware, Hertford, England  Pork Butcher
Emily Brazier   WM         29 Ware, Hertford, England
Charles Brazier son         8 Ware, Hertford, England Scholar
Ellen Brazier      dau         6  Ware, Hertford, England Scholar
*Frederick Brazier Son 4 Ware, Hertford, England Scholar
Arthur Brazier      Son       2 Ware, Hertford, England

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1881 Ref: Chipping Buckland, Herford, England    RG11 1409 / 39 8   FHLF 1341343

Fredick AMBROSE HM        40 Buckland Sandon Lane, Hertford, England    Ag Lab
Eliza Ambrose      WM        43 Sandon , Hertford, England
Emma Ambrose  dau  U      14 Chipping, Hertford, England
John Ambrose     son          12 Chipping, Hertford, England
Charlotte Ambrose  dau       9 Chipping, Hertford, England      Scholar
James Ambrose       son        7 Chipping, Hertford, England      Scholar
Samonel Ambrose   son        5 Chipping, Hertford, England       Scholar
William Ambrose    son           3 Chipping, Hertford, England
**Winfored Ambrose  dau 1 Chipping, Hertford, England

Many thanks,
Jed
Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: petercornish on Sunday 23 April 06 11:46 BST (UK)
Hi Jed,

Found the Ambrose family of Buckland as follows  ...

1841.    HO107/443/7  F.12.  P.18. Sandon Lane, Buckland.
John Ambrose   20  Ag Lab
Sarah Ambrose  20
Frederick Ambrose 1
William Ambrose  55 Ag Lab
All born in county (Adult ages rounded down to nearest 5)

1851.   HO107/1707   F.69.   P.22.  Sandon Lane Buckland
John Ambrose  Head  M  34  Ag Lab 
Sarah Ambrose   Wife  32
Fredk Ambrose  Son  10
Mary Ann Ambrose  Dau  8
Saml Ambrose  Son  6
Charles Ambrose 2
Charlotte Ambrose  Dau  1m
All born Buckland

1861.  RG9/811  F.42.  P.11.  Front Street, Chipping Village.
John Ambrose  Head  M  44  Ag Lab
Sarah Ambrose  Wife  M  43
Frederick Ambrose  Son   20  Ag Lab
Samuel Ambrose  Son  16  Farm servant
Charles Ambrose  Son  13  Farm Servant
Charlotte Ambrose  Dau  10  Scholar
Alfred Ambrose  Son  8  Scholar
Emily Ambrose  Dau  5
Arthur Ambrose  Son  3
Walter Ambrose  Son  4m
All born Chipping except Sarah

Hope this helps.

Regards   ...   Peter
Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: petercornish on Sunday 23 April 06 12:57 BST (UK)
Hi Jed,

Found some Braziers in Ware as follows   ...

1851  HO107.1705. F.395  P.10  High Street, Water Row, Ware.
David Brown  Head  Wid  51 Innkeeper, Brewer & Maltster b. Norfolk Shottesham.
Charles Brazier  Servant  M 32  Hostler  Beds.Maulden.
Mary Brazier  Servant  M 330  Tap Barwoman  Beds.Biggleswade.
Charles Brazier    2  Ware
Thomas Brazier  7m   Ware

1861.   RG9/805.   Bay House, High Street, Ware.
Charles Brazier  Head  M 43  Beerhouse Keeper  Beds Maulden
Mary Brazier  Wife  M  41  Beds.Biggleswade
Charles Brazier  Son  12 Scholar Ware
Ellen Brazier Dau 9  Scholar  Ware
Thomas Brazier  Son  7   Scholar   Ware
Mary A Brazier Dau  5 Ware
William  Brazier  Son  3
Henry Brazier  Son  9m  Ware

Hope these help.

Regards   ...   Peter

Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: allibaker on Sunday 23 April 06 14:05 BST (UK)
have these baptisms-
all baptised in buckland to parents frederick and eliza ambrose-
samuel born 10th july 1875 bapt 23rd feb 1887
william bapt 25th nov 1877
winifred bapt 26th oct 1879
lilla bapt 14th may 1883
regrards
alli
Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: allibaker on Sunday 23 April 06 14:06 BST (UK)
fred brazier bapt 29th april 1877 at ware.parents charles brazier and emily.
siblings include-
arthur bapt 29th june 1879
john bapt 25th dec 1881
emily bapt 24th feb 1884
regards
alli
Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: allibaker on Sunday 23 April 06 14:15 BST (UK)
living in ware,hertfordshire in 1901-
frederick brazier 24yrs maltmaker born ware,hertfordshire
winnifred 22yrs wife born ware,hertfordshire
SOURCE INFO-RG13-1282
FOLIO-104
PAGE-38
regards
alli
Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: allibaker on Sunday 23 April 06 14:20 BST (UK)
living in the green dragon,ware,hertfordshire in 1891-
charles brazier 42yrs beerhouse keeper
emily 39yrs wife
charles 18yrs
frederick 14yrs
arthur 11yrs
john 9yrs
emily 7yrs
ernest 3yrs
SOURCE INFO-RG12-1094
FOLIO-86
PAGE-31
regards
alli
Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: Jed Stu on Monday 24 April 06 10:27 BST (UK)
Hello Alli and Peter, many thanks for all your search results on my Ambrose & Brazier families.

I can see now where the brewing & maltster side comes from.

There are quite a few Ambrose & Brazier's to follow now, ahhhh! It's a great hobby, interest and way to learn about ones history isn't it.

A little more help required - if possible please?

I would like to know:

1. What happend to Mary Ann Ambrose aged 8 from the 1851 census & is she on any other censuses?


2. William Ambrose aged 55 agr\lab on the 1841 (could he be father to John Ambrose aged 20), is he on any more censuses as father or widower?


3. Also, is the 1871 census available for my Ambrose & Brazier families;

1861   Bay House, High Street, Ware      RG9 / 805
Charles Brazier  H M 43  Beerhouse Keeper  Beds Maulden
Mary Brazier  Wife  M  41  Beds. Biggleswade

Charles Brazier  Son  12 Scholar Ware
Ellen Brazier Dau 9  Scholar  Ware
Thomas Brazier  Son  7   Scholar   Ware
Mary A Brazier Dau  5 Ware
William  Brazier  Son  3
Henry Brazier  Son  9m  Ware
&

1861  Front Street, Chipping Village RG9 / 811 Folio42 pg11
John Ambrose  Head  M  44  Ag Lab
Sarah Ambrose  Wife  M  43

Frederick Ambrose  Son   20  Ag Lab
Samuel Ambrose  Son  16  Farm servant
Charles Ambrose  Son  13  Farm Servant
Charlotte Ambrose  Dau  10  Scholar
Alfred Ambrose  Son  8  Scholar
Emily Ambrose  Dau  5
Arthur Ambrose  Son  3
Walter Ambrose  Son  4m

Many thanks again for all your help.
Kind regards,
Jed


Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: allibaker on Monday 24 April 06 12:16 BST (UK)
living in the bay house,ware hertfordshire in 1871-
charles brazier 52yrs beerhouse keeper
mary 50yrs wife
charles 22yrs son gardener
thomas 17yrs son gardener
mary ann 15yrs daughter
william 12yrs son scholor
henry 10yrs son scholor
fred 4yrs son scholor
SOURCE INFO-RG10-1351
FOLIO-47
PAGE-14
regards
alli
Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: petercornish on Monday 24 April 06 12:19 BST (UK)
Hi Jed,

The IGI records the baptism of John Ambrose s/o William and Elizabeth at Buckland on 03 Mar 1816.   In addition the same couple baptised the following ...
Elizabeth 17 Jun 1804   -   William 02 Mar 1806   -   Mary 01 Nov 1807   -   James  12 Nov 1809   -   Sarah 18 Dec 1811   -   Anne 12 Jun 1814   -   Edward 23 Aug 1818.
I would mention that I found James and family at Chipping in 1841/51/61 but none of the others.    If you want details I can supply.

The Hertfordshire Burials Index for 1800-1850 records the following entries for Ambrose at Buckland. ....
Elizabeth  age 47  03 Feb 1824   -   Edward  age 22  17 Jul 1840   -   Mary  age 29  31 Jul 1845   -   William  age 67  29 Dec 1845.

Sorry I can't help with 1871.

Regards   ...   Peter
Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: allibaker on Monday 24 April 06 12:24 BST (UK)
living at 6 london road,buckland hertfordshire in 1871-
john ambrose 56yrs ag lab
sarah 55yrs wife
charles 22yrs ag lab son
arthur 12yrs son
walter 10yrs son
george 4yrs son
SOURCE INFO-RG10-1357
FOLIO-39
PAGE-2
regards
alli
Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: petercornish on Monday 24 April 06 16:34 BST (UK)
Hi Jed,

Here we go with James Ambrose   ...

1841.   HO107/443/7.   F.9. P.12.  Chipping (In the parish of Buckland)
James Ambrose   30  Ag Lab
Mary Ambrose   25
Sarah  7   -   John 4   -   Mary 2   -   Emma 4mths.
Charles Hankin  55  Ag Lab.
All born in county. (Adult ages rounded down to nearest 5)

James married Mary Hankin 23 Nov 1833 at Buckland.

1851.    HO107/1707  F.61.  P.7.  Chipping
James Ambrose  Head  Wid  42  Horse Keeper - Thrasher
Sarah Ambrose  Dau  16  Housekeeper
Mary Ambrose  Dau  12  Scholar
Emma Ambrose  Dau  10  Scholar
Edward Ambrose  Son  8   Work with father
Chas. Hankin  Lodger  Unm  69  Parish Relief
All born Buckland.

1861.  RG9/811   Page 10.  Front Street, Chipping
James Ambrose  Head  Wid  51  Ag Lab
Emma Ambrose  Dau  Unm  20


Regards   ...   Peter
Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: metome on Sunday 27 May 12 23:18 BST (UK)
Hi,
My AMBROSE family history include the AMBROSES you have mentioned ie Frederick & Eliza, John & Sara, James & Mary - did you get answers to the questions you asked?
Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: metome on Sunday 01 July 12 15:54 BST (UK)
Hi
I am a direct descent of the AMBROSE families from Chipping Buckland and I do not think they are related to you.  In my opinion you would do better to follow the BRAZIER connection and regard Ambrose as just a christian name the family used.
Regards
Title: Re: AMBROSE & BRAZIER Herts. Are they in the 1841 - 1901 censuses?
Post by: [Ray] on Monday 02 July 12 08:55 BST (UK)
Hi "metome",

WELCOME to Rootschat.

You obviously have information which leads you to an opinion that looking at the surname "Ambrose" will be a waste of Jed's time (and that of Rootschatters currently assisting). Please share it with us?


Cheers!

Ray