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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: Lilygirl on Friday 12 May 06 08:10 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for hopefully a mariage of John Westover and Ann Whorlow to try and work out where they came from.
They had a son William Joseph WESTOVER in 1838 and maybe another one in South Australia in 1854.
I know they both died in SA so that isn't a problem.
Am wanting to know if they had any other children in England and where and when they got married so hopefully can determine where they were born???
I know you guys and girls out there are a clever lot but I think this might be tough??
I'm trying to find how and when they came to Australia if I have any luck I'll let you know because I know that should help.
Any takers??
Lilygirl
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Hi Lilygirl
You might have additional difficulties, due to the fact that compulsory registration did not start until 1837. It could well be that the marriage occurred before that date, especially if the first child was born in 1838.
I looked at the surname distribution map ** and WHORLOW seems to be very much a Kent name. WESTOVER is also found in this part of the world (Kent, Sussex and London mainly). There are WESTOVER births around the period you are interested in, mainly in Kent and Bethnal Green. Of course, your chap obviously liked travelling, so we can't be sure!
Will have a look for the birth, but you might want a Kent look-up specifically - anyone help??
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
** http://www.spatial-literacy.org/UCLnames/Surnames.aspx
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Hey,
WOW!
I'm really happy you said KENT!
I had a feeling there was some connection with Kent I wrote down years and years ago but can't find what it is or where I got that from, so thought maybe I was getting mixed up with some o my other Kent families.
Thanks for your help I'll post on the Kent board.
Lilygirl.
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I have looked at the full birth records for 1837 & 1838 and there is no birth recorded. Will carry on & look later, so might be an idea to ask for Parish Records only if looking in Kent.
A ;)
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Hey,
Thanks that's fabulous.
Lilygirl.
downunder
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I stopped when I found this one:
Birth
William WESTOVER
Sep 1840
Bethnal Green Vol 2 Page 53
If this is him, it might indicate a marriage in Bethnal Green. As I mentioned above, freebmd has several other births in this area.
A ;)
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Hi,
William Westover born 1840 reg.dis. Bethanl Green father is Richard and mother Amelia,? they are on the 1851 census for Bethnal Green.
Regards
Joburg
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Hi
WOuld you mind posting the 1851 census for the Westovers in Bethnal Green?
Are there any others??
Is there any mention of a John and Ann Westover in 1851 or 1841 at all?
Ann's death details state John was a tailor (not sure if that was before he came to Australia or not) and there was a mention of her being late or Canterbury, if that helps??
Lilygirl
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Joburg is absolutely right about William's parents - same in 1841 - sorry to mislead.
The only Ann & John WESTOVER I can find in 1841 are in Somerset: he is a butcher and they are abt 25 years of age, with an Elizabeth aged abt 30 - no children. HO107/937/11/24/7
Pesumably you have looked for shipping records to determine when they came out to Oz?
There is a Canterbury in Kent, but also NZ - maybe they came via NZ?
A ;)
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Hi Lilygirl
If Ann was Ann WHORLOW then they are very likely to be the WESTOVER family that I already found for you in Seasalter, Kent 1851 census see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,153992.0.html
because their daughter Ann M looks very likely to be this one with her WHORLOW grandparents in 1861 ...............
1861
High Street, Seasalter, Kent
Tho's WARLOW head mar 61 baker b.Seasalter Kent
Ann Maria wife 62 b.Whitstable
Ann M WESTOVER grandau unm 16 pupil teacher b.Seasalter
RG9/524 folio 116 page 14
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1851
High Street, Seasalter, Kent
Thomas WHORLOW head mar 51 baker b.Seasalter
Ann M wife 51 b.Seasalter
Mary dau unm 22 b.Seasalter
HO107/1625 folio 485 page 5
Odd that can't see any William Joseph WESTOVER bc1838/9 though ???
Casalguidi
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If you follow the link to the Kent Registration Services Site that I gave you http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,153992.msg713988.html#msg713988 with the suggestion that John WESTOVER married in 1843 you will see that John WESTOVER married Ann WHORLOW in 1843 in the Blean registration district which covers Whitstable/Seasalter.
Is it possible that John was married twice and/or perhaps William Joseph "WESTOVER" was the son of John and not Ann or vice versa?
Casalguidi :)
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If they are in Seasalter/Whitstable in 41 the pieces for this area are listed under wholly or partially missing :'(
Jan ;)
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Thanks again,
I'll look at it properly this time.
Sorry,
Looking at the death details I have of John got this week it makes his birth about 1827 which would mean he was 11 when William Joseph was born so that can't be the case.
Maybe I'm right up the wrong tree completely.
I'll have to wait until I can find shipping details on how my William Joseph came to Oz.
Will let you know what I can come up with.
Thanks again