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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: BIDDY18 on Monday 15 May 06 20:54 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I have found this photograph in my grans box of photos. I need to investigate to see if there is any connection to any family members. Can anyone tell me what football team this is? Painted on the football is: AIFC 1913-4
The photograph was taken by Hellis & Sons.
Many thanks,
Barbara
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well they all look like english gentlemen to me, but the only aifc i can find by googling is a greek football team, sorry, kali.
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What a fabulous photograph!
I have been surfing around, obviously they are a London team but alas I could find nothing so maybe they were a local pub or works team
Cam across this web page re the history of football... facinating
http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/football_history.htm
Cal
Hope some one can find out who they are !!
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Hi kali, Cal,
I have been goggle searching for two months now, with no luck.
I am hoping that there is a football fanatic out there that has researched football teams.
Worth a try - I might get lucky! I desperately want to find out who is in the photo and what team it is.
Fingers crossed
Barbara
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I deffinatly a football fanatic - you've got to be when you have a season ticket for Shefield United for last 10 years and already renewed next seasons without knowing if they were going up or not.
Anyway to your quest, the initals are AIFC (dunno which team it is) but the 1913-4 inicate the sason in which the photo was taken. Unfortunatly teams around (1888-1920's) changed there kit design and most of all there team name.
Etc Manchester United were once called Newton Heath whilst Coventry City at point were named Singers FC. This was due to how teams were formed (Coventry were formed by a group of singers) and sometimes teams merge with other teams to become one, Man Utd in fact went bust and restarted with the name they have today.
Another example is Sheffield Wednesday (spit!), they were formed in 1867 by a group of steel workers who worked an half day on a Wednesday, so ever Weds afternoon they would get together and play football. In the end they became professsional (not from ive seen they aren't!) and as they say the rest is history.
What I will do is hunt around curent teams and try and find any resembelance to the initals AIFC, in meantime could you please email me all information you have on this team to (*)
Cheers
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Try asking the National Football Museum at Preston. If it was a league team they will know. Not only that they might be interested in a copy of your photograph. If they have information they will provide it for a small donation.
By the way what is superman doing playing for them? Middle row second from the right.
David
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ashby de la zouch
'' ashby ivanhoe football club ''
plays at hood park!
up till now sounds good but in there club news it says that they formed the club in 1948,
i wonder if there was something before that???? if there was they would love your photo for the club page on the internet, worth contacting them, kali.
ashbyivanhoefc.com
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Its quite possible they went bust and re formed again in 1848. An example of this is a current Premier League club - but who?
Well oif you look at Middlesbrough they were formed in 1875 but their badge logo says 1986 on it, for that reason that they went bust and re-formed.
<img src=http://www.abbeyhill.stockton.sch.uk/14to19/images/boro_logo.gif>
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yes that, or they didn't register as a team until that date, or the unbelievable wait for it , they played on the planet krypton until that date with superman as the captain, best of luck barbara, kali.
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sorry i forgot the address,
contact charlie tissington, email address and telephone number removed by moderator - please use the secure Rootchat PM system to exchange such details - thankyou
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It must have been a large factory which could field a team of players. Have you tried looking in an appropriate district directory on this site:
www.historicaldirectories.org
Usually each directory has a business section separated into trades, which the picture doesn't show, but the names in that portion are usually also found in the alphabetical section. Looking for a company starting with 'A' is better than nothing?
Good luck,
Rena
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Hi
Think this site should be able to help with info on London clubs.
http://www.londonfa.com/
you could try here as well
http://www.amateur-fa.com/
regards
Ken
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Hi Biddy
Where were your gran & grandad and/or their families living c1913 ???
Casalguidi
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Hi,
Casalguidi asked: Where were your gran & grandad and/or their families living c1913?
It may also help to look at your family's occupation - was there a connection to an engineering Ironfoundry for instance which may explain the 'I' in the football team's name. Failing that it was a team representing a company you'll have to look at the surrounding villages/areas which start with 'A' or 'I'. Perhaps using the radius distance facility on GENUKI would give a clue to which areas were within walking/cycling distance of their home ground. Good luck on finding the latter place, which quite often was a farmer's field where players had to shovel off a few cowpats before the game commenced:-))
Rena
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Hi
This site gives season by season league tables and club names from 1888 through 2005. Can't see anything relative to AIFC but makes interesting reading.
http://www.fchd.btinternet.co.uk/lghist/fl/fl.htm
Sheila
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Hi,
Apologies for not replying sooner (computer been down).
I would like to send a BIG THANK YOU to all … I have got loads to investigate now…
Email addresses have been deleted from the post, would you kindly send them via PM... Would be very much appreciated.
Many, many thanks,
Barbara
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hi barbara,
if you just google '' ashby ivanhoe fc '' you will find the site and contact numbers for the sec. etc they are looking for stuff for their archives to, cheers kali. hope you computers o.k. now.
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Hi Kali,
I have just sent Charlie Tissington an Email, lets see what comes back.
Will post any replies I get.
Barbara
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it would be nice to find out, thanks barbara,
i hope im right for your sake, it is definetly the only one i can find, all the very best, kali.
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This will sound very stupid but very possible; could it be that the letter I might be a V but not very clear. The initials of course would then be AVFC, I don't think I need to say which team that is.
Though I'm probably wrong!
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Today I was given a photo of the same football team, the writing on the ball says AIFC 1921-1922. Their kit is my picture is vertical striped top, dark shorts. My grandfather (H Rudge) is in the picture and on the reverse is written 'from Captain H. Rudge'. I know nothing more about the team except I do know that my grandfather lived all his life in Edmonton North London so the team is likely to be local to that area. I'm not aware that he ever worked for a company whose initials were AI. Has any other information come to light about this team?
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Hi Barbara, I hope you're still there after all these years. I have the same photo and also looking for the name of the team but I do know the chap with the ball is my grandfather George Richard Withers born 7/12/1889 in North London. It will be a London team - probably north. I don't know which school he went to. I think at that stage he was working for the accountants Price Waterhouse. I would love to know if we're connected.
Regards
john
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Pure speculation, assuming “captain” was a military title could it be something like Aldershot Institute FC?
Regards
Roger
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Greetings from the other side of the world.
I would suggest that now that you have two surnames assocated with "the" team, that you search the sports news of the local press, over the nominated time frame.
WITHERS c1913 >> & RUDGE c1921 >>
Afraid I'm not a subscriber to the historic online UK press. Best of luck.
Alan.
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Hi Barbara, I hope you're still there after all these years. I have the same photo and also looking for the name of the team but I do know the chap with the ball is my grandfather George Richard Withers born 7/12/1889 in North London. It will be a London team - probably north. I don't know which school he went to. I think at that stage he was working for the accountants Price Waterhouse. I would love to know if we're connected.
Regards
john
Hi John.
Upon looking up Barbara's profile it would appear that she has not posted on the forum since the end of 2007. It is therefore possible that the contact email for service is no longer active.
Once you have made three posts to a RC forum [can be just a post with a smile icon] you can attempt reaching Babara via the Private Message service. [See my messages in the top bar]
Alan.
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I am of the opinion that the initials stand for Australian Imperial Force and all the team members are of military bearing. Also very close to Woolwich barracks. May look at this angle.
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Tongue in cheek speculation:-
Accountants Institute
Angel Islington (Amateurs Islington?-perhaps Athletico Islington is going too far!)
Army Independents
Regards
Roger
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Hello Sall.
While I'm familiar with researching the New Zealand historic newspapers, I'm not with the UK ones.
Yesterday I had library access, so tried for a quick look into UK ones. Found one that may be your man H. RUDGE.
CITIZEN of Gloucester. 4/3/1921. H. RUDGE in a game on the Athletic Ground between Cheltenham and Strattford-on-Avon.
There were other mentiones at Yeovil Middlesex, but nothing that I found that appeared to be of a team who's successful year, warrented a studio team photo.
Alan.
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"Invicta" seems a credible second part of a name for a football club of the era.I can't currently find any evidence for an Arsenal Invicta team,though there is such a supporters group named after The Invicta Ground where the Royal? or Woolwich? Arsenal played at that time.
Regards
Roger
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I have been through the following and found nothing to match "AI" initials,though it does throw up "Imperial" and "Ironworks" as second name alternatives
https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/nlmnet/Regmet/LoL10.html
Roger
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This is actually the First XI of the Army Intelligence Corps. Legendary team that won the English AND French league + 2 Carabo Cups... in 1 season.
Unfortunately for them, their success was classified and the team became the stuff of legend.
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How interesting.
Explains why a team went to the trouble, to get such a good team photo, but little evidence of their success was to be found.
Alan.