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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Sligo => Topic started by: Jayson on Tuesday 16 May 06 16:47 BST (UK)
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Hi
Does anybody have the surname Tansey in their family history? My ancestor Michael Tansey (a bricklayer) married (1853) Bridget Donohue at Macclesfield in Cheshire, England. His father was called Cornelius Tansey.
The Tansey family settled in South Cheshire (Nantwich & Crewe).
Jayson
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Hello Jayson,
There are three items you require when searching for Irish ancestors.
1. Denomination.
2. Parish
3. Townland.
You'll have to rely on Church records as civil registration in Ireland was not introduced until 1864. Non Catholic marriages were registered from 1845 onwards. When registration for BDMS started in 1864 some people didn't bother with the registration for a few years after that date. Keep your fingers crossed that church records still exist.
Christopher
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Hi
Does anybody have the surname Tansey in their family history? My ancestor Michael Tansey (a bricklayer) married (1853) Bridget Donohue at Macclesfield in Cheshire, England. His father was called Cornelius Tansey.
The Tansey family settled in South Cheshire (Nantwich & Crewe).
Jayson
Hi Jayson
I have lots of information on the Tansey family as I have been researching them for quite a while now. Michael and Bridget were my great great grandparents . Their son, Cornelius married Elizabeth Jane Ball from Cornwall and moved to Nelson in Lancashire I have traced Elizabeth's family back to the 1600s. The Tanseys in Sligo are more difficult to track down.
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Hi there and welcome to rootschat !
Do you want to tell us what help you need with the Tansey's of Sligo ?
Tara
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Hi, I know that Michael Tansey and Bridget Donohoe came over to England from Sligo and settled in the Crewe/Nantwich area. My understanding is that Michael's father was called Cornelius (as well as his brother and his son) but I don't have any information other than that. If you can help I would be grateful.
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Hi there,
Obviously you are looking for information WAY before civil registration began here in 1864, so your next place to look is in church records, but for this your need a lot more information to see if records for a certain parish exist.
How sure are you of the Sligo connection - have you ever found a townland reference ?
The reason is ask this is that while the surname Tansey does appear in Sligo, the name Cornelious Tansey mainly appears in County Roscommon.
The main area that I have seen it referenced is Moigh Roscommon. Moigh is not a million miles away from the Sligo / Roscommon border and I'm wondering given your timeline, might there be some connection.
Have you checked all the Tansey's in your search area in Britain to see if you can find ANY reference to a townland in Sligo or even Roscommon as this may help with my theory.
Tara
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Hello Gypsymorph,
I would just add to what Tara has said, Tansey/Tansy is closely associated with the border area of Sligo/Roscommon North of Boyle. The name Cornelius is a remnant of the practice to use Latin particularly in the Ancient Diocese of Elphin. The move from Latin to English saw many of these names alter with the exception of family members who moved from their traditional home for other parts of Ireland and abroad seeking to retain a family connection amidst the dislocation they had undertaken.
You may have already trawled existing records to find a link,if not below are a handful for reference.
Sligo Catholic Parishes Records (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/sligorc.htm) click on to view
Griffiths Valuation - Sligo Tansey (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=30&Submit.y=16&familyname=tansey&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=SLIGO&unionname=&parishname=)
Griffith Valuation - Sligo Tansy (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=50&Submit.y=9&familyname=tansy&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=SLIGO&unionname=&parishname=)
Early Tansey Sligo Baptisms (https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Atansey~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Asligo~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1800-1840~&collection_id=1584963)
It might be worth concentrating on finding a baptismal record for Michael and then review all the details again.
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Hi, we're currently looking up our family tree and have searched back to Sligo, we have Patrick & Bridget there son Thomas was my grandads father, Thomas had lots of brothers & sisters. Patrick & Beatrice are buried in St Joseph's cemetery in Moston Manchester, but was from Nantwich/Crewe area. Not sure if this has links to your tree?
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Probably RC!!
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Hello gypsymoth.
I have Tanseys from Nantwich who moved to Nelson. Seems too much of a coincidence?
I'm trying to put my family info back together after ten years away from it (children)
Any info welcome!
Thanks.
Liz.
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Hi does anyone have photos of members of the Tansey family from Sligo then moved to Crewe/Nantwich area? My ancestors, Michael Tansey and wife Bridget Donohoe had a son, Cornelius, who married Elizabeth jane Ball from Cornwall. They were my great grandparents and I would love to see photos of them.
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Hello gypsymoth.
I have Tanseys from Nantwich who moved to Nelson. Seems too much of a coincidence?
I'm trying to put my family info back together after ten years away from it (children)
Any info welcome!
Thanks.
Liz.
Hi
Yes, Cornelius and Elizabeth moved to Nelson and had children, Edward known as Ned, my grandfather, who married Ann Murray Brown, Samuel, Thomas, Ellen Jane, Hannah. Cornelius was a bricklayer and the son of Michael and Bridget Tansey from Sligo. Is there anything you particularly want to know?
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Hi, Cornelius would have been my grandad's uncle, as his father was Thomas & mother Beatrice. We have found lots of Tansey's up to now just started to get a little stuck, we have started a tree on ancestory & have got as far back as Patrick's wife Sarah's family in Sligo, Pall & Killy.
We're still looking for Patrick's side in Sligo & other names to add to the tree if anyone can help, I would be very grateful.
Thanks Kerry. ( I have a picture of Edward, Cornelius's son & he is the double of my grandad)
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Hello gypsymoth.
I have Tanseys from Nantwich who moved to Nelson. Seems too much of a coincidence?
I'm trying to put my family info back together after ten years away from it (children)
Any info welcome!
Thanks.
Liz.
Hi
Yes, Cornelius and Elizabeth moved to Nelson and had children, Edward known as Ned, my grandfather, who married Ann Murray Brown, Samuel, Thomas, Ellen Jane, Hannah. Cornelius was a bricklayer and the son of Michael and Bridget Tansey from Sligo. Is there anything you particularly want to know?
Hi Gypsymorph.
Thanks for the reply.
All I have is that my great grandfather, John Clement Tansey was born in Crewe/Nantwich 1887, married Elizabeth Holden from Nelson. I think his dad is John Tansey and mum Louisa Simcoe. I'm guessing he moved to Nelson because of family and work there.
Could be cousins to Cornelius perhaps?
I really need to order some birth certificates! I'm also not finding freeBMD as easy to use as I remember! Could just be post-baby brain.
Thanks for any info.
Liz.
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Hi Liz
I know Cornelius worked on building the Leeds Liverpool canal, my dad, Jack Tansey used to show me things he built. I have a family tree on Ancestry, so will check if I can give you the info you need before you spend money on birth certificates. Give me a couple of days.
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Thanks so much. Really appreciate that. Liz. :D
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Hi Kerry and Liz
Firstly, Kerry, Patrick was the brother of my g.grandad, Cornelius 1857 and they had other siblings, Ellen W. 1866
Ann 1855
Mary J
Catherine 1854
Michael Henry
Parents are Michael Tansey 1836 - 1911 and Bridget Donahue 1835 - 1902 who came from Sligo to Crewe. I think his parents were Cornelius Tansey and Margret Daw but not certain. Do you have names of Patrick's children as I have if you want them.
Secondly, Liz
John Clement tansey had a brother Cornelius b.1885 of parents John and Louisa but don't really know more than that. It didn't help that they all seem to name their children the same as their brothers and sisters. So confusing.
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Thanks so much!
Again seems a coincidence to have another Cornelius! Must be related somehow.
I'll let you know if I get any further.
Cheers.
Liz.
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http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&query=tansey&s=sligostones
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Going through some old family papers recently I came across a picture of what I thought at first to be of Michael Tansey (he married Mary Betteley) so I got rather excited. However, after comparing it with some other photos that I have it turned out to be William Henry Tansey. He was a builder by trade and then in later years he had a smallholding in Willaston, near Nantwich called (Cheerbrook Poultry Farm)
I've also found various newspaper articles about them. One of which describes how Michael Tansey assaulted his wife (Bridget) after a drinking session in Crewe. This was a rather shocking find. :o
Jay
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Hi jayson
Yes I have seen the article about Michael and his brutality. His poor wife and children! What terrible lives they had. I would love to see any photos of the Tansey family that you have.
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Hi gypsymorth
Michael Tansey sounds like a real horror doesn't he. Sad that Bridget tried to justify his terrible behaviour towards her.
I'd be more than happy to share what I have with you. I don't have any family pictures beyond William H Tansey's generation sadly. I am descended from his sister Ellen Jane Tansey. She died in London in 1938. Anyway I'll you my email address.
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Newspaper: Roscommon & Leitrim Gazette
Newspaper Content: Letter published from above re: his arrival and work in America.
Date: 17 July 1847
Newspaper Subject: TANSEY OWEN EMIGRANT BOYLE?
n order to source this newspaper article, please supply all of the information below in an email to localstudies'at'leitrimcoco.ie
Bib #: 224454
LDR: 00000nam 22000255 4500
1000: $a newsNM
900: $a Roscommon & Leitrim Gazette
902: $a 17 July 1847
903: $a Letter published from above re: his arrival and work in America.
904: 0 $a TANSEY OWEN EMIGRANT BOYLE?
907: $a 3 c1
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jayson, you mention in a previous message that the father of Michael Tansey was Cornelius, do you know that for definite?
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Yes, Michael's father was definitely Cornelius I have the marriage certificate. They were married at Macclesfield, Cheshire in 1853. Bridget's father was John
Jay
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Thanks Jay
I'm not clear of spelling of Bridget`s surname I.e. Donahue, Donahoe or Donohoe. what does it say on marriage certificate? I tried emailing you but it came back undeliverable!
Lynne
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Hi Lynne
Sorry that you have had difficulties emailing me. Perhaps that's my fault. I've received emails from elsewhere so perhaps I didn't type it out properly initially!
Anyway, not to worry, I'll have another go at passing my details on to you in a personal message.
Re Bridget's surname. I'll dig out the certificate and get back to on this. I suppose in the days before compulsory education the spelling to a very large extent depended on the interpretation of whoever was responsible for writing it out to begin with.
From memory I think Michael signed his name while Bridget made her mark.
Jay
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Yes, Michael's father was definitely Cornelius I have the marriage certificate. They were married at Macclesfield, Cheshire in 1853. Bridget's father was John
Jay....thats my mums relatives
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Ive got those on my family tree ;)
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Hi..im from tansey decendents..bartholomew tansey was my great grandad..his father was cornelious from boyle /roscommon
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Hi Shazza
I haven't bothered researching this family line for a while so it's good to know that there are other researchers out there holding the candle for the Tanseys.
To be honest I wouldn't really know where to start looking as Irish records seem so difficult to access. I know many documents where destroyed during the troubles there and what does exist isn't located centrally. Just thinking about Irish research gives me nightmares!
I only know that Michael Tansey was from Sligo but where in Sligo I don't know. His father was Cornelius and that's all I know. I don't know who his mother was or whether he had any siblings.
I was interested to read your post. How are you related to them. Bartholomew Tansey has never cropped up in my searches. Are you saying he was my Michael's brother? If so what evidence do you have as I'd obviously be interested to know more.
Jay
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Hi my evidence is my mum lol as he was her grandad who abandoned her grandma etc..all the names add up to what documents mum has
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Hi
I'm still none the wiser now after reading your posts I'm afraid. You say there is a connection but you haven't provided any evidence to support this which might help me or other people who might be interested.
It's ever so frustrating when people dive in to a topic and then don't bother to expand further. Not very helpful to my mind.
Jay
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Hi Shazza
Can you explain how Bartholomew was related to Michael Tansey and if you have more information about where in Sligo they came from as I can't get any further back than this.
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Gypsymorph
I had another look at the various census returns which Michael Tansey appeared on realising that I hadn't really looked properly at them before in an attempt to establish his place of birth and this is what I've found.
1851: Born Ireland
1861: Born Ireland
1871: Born Ireland
1881: Born Sligo, Ireland
1891: Born Ireland
1901: Born Sligo, Ireland
Sligo certainly seems the best place to start searching. However, I also think that clues re his family might be found closer to home i.e. Macclesfield. I was very surprised to find a high concentration of people with this surname in that town. Macclesfield must have had some significance rather than just being a random place to get married. The connection with England seems to have stretched back beyond Michael's generation.
I hadn't realised that Michael Tansey senior had married again after Bridget's death producing three more children. At first I didn't think it was him (see 1901 census) but his address and occupation details match with the information given on Bridget's death certificate. Also listed in the household is the sixty-year-old widow, Catherine Bowers described as Michael's sister. She too was born in Sligo.
Interestingly on the 1871 census I found a Patrick Tansey (aged 42) born in Ireland - but living in Burslem - who had a son called Michael whose place of birth was given as Macclesfield. Perhaps Patrick was Michael's brother.
My great great grandfather was Michael Henry Tansey (son of the above) and he died due to a fall aged just 38. And his sister fell down stairs and broke her neck. They don't seemed to have had happy lives.
Jay
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Hi Jayson
I had just assumed that Michael and Bridget left Ireland to find work but maybe that's not the case if they had connections over here. I didn't know he had remarried either. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we'd been able to ask our grandparents about this as they would probably have been able to answer a lot of our questions? My grandfather, Edward, was the grandson of Michael and Bridget through their son, Cornelius and I remember him well. I recall someone once saying they were descended from river gypsies but I have no way of knowing whether this was true. I tend to undertake research in phases because it's so frustrating hitting a brick wall. If I make any more progress will be in touch. What was Bridget's cause of death?
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I was contacted years ago by someone from New Zealand who was descended from Cornelius Tansey and Elizabeth Jane Ball. She came through their son Cornelius who married Mabel Kirkbride and it was their son who went out to New Zealand.
Details on Bridget's death certificate are:
Death: 3 April 1890, 19 Railway View, Monks Coppenhall
Name: Bridget Tansey
Age: 62
Occupation: wife of Michael Tansey, Railway Works labourer
Cause of death: Cardiac disease dropsy
On the 1901 census Michael's second wife (Elizabeth) was said to have been born in Wheelock, which is in Sandbach. The three children were Alfred, James and Elizabeth aged 7, 5 and 1 who were born in Crewe. The last person listed in the household was Catherine Bowers.
My grandfather never mentioned his Tansey relatives beyond his mother's (Ellen Jane) siblings William Henry, Cornelius, Edward and Annie. I certainly don't think he was aware that his grandfather, Michael Henry Tansey, died whilst in a drunken stupor or that his mother's Tansey aunt died from a fall downstairs. According to the newspaper, she had left her husband (Henry Jefferson) and taken up with a watchmaker in Crewe.
Jay ::)
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Thanks for the information regarding Bridget.
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Hi
Does anybody have the surname Tansey in their family history? My ancestor Michael Tansey (a bricklayer) married (1853) Bridget Donohue at Macclesfield in Cheshire, England. His father was called Cornelius Tansey.
The Tansey family settled in South Cheshire (Nantwich & Crewe).
Jayson
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Hi Jayson
I am a direct descendant of Michael Tansey via my mother, Ivy Tansey from Nantwich S.Cheshire. Her father William Henry, who had two brothers, Edward and Cornelius, was, I think the grandson of Michael. I have a family tree extending back to Michael.
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Hi again Jayson
Just read your earlier post and gather that your father was Leslie Hoole, who was around when I grew up in Nantwich as was his father, Billie. The story about William Henry Tansey dying when dead drunk was a legend in our family but we thought he fell down stairs.
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Hi Alan I am also a direct descendant of Michael Tansey through my dad Jack Tansey, his Dad Edward Tansey and his dad Cornelius. Do you have any information relating to the Sligo Tanseys? I know that Michael Tanseys father was Cornelius but not much other than that .
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Hi
I'm afraid I've never found out anything about the Sligo Tanseys not least because it seems to be a fairly common name in the West of Ireland. My family tree shows Michael and Bridget with five children - Catherine, Michael, John, Mary and Patrick - but no Cornelius! would be glad if you could let me have more info on that. Michael Henry seems to have died in 1900 (drunk) if aged 38. He had a sister, Mary, who married Henry Jefferson and who is apparently the sister who fell down stairs and died after taking up with he watchmaker in Crewe. My granddad, William Henry was in a poultry business with his brothers Con and Edward until he died in 1941.All very interesting but more so if we could find out more about the Sligo origins.
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Hi
Cornelius was born in Crewe in 1857 and died in Nelson Lancashire in 1924. He was a bricklayer and did work on the Leeds Liverpool canal. There was also a sister Ellen W Tansey.
I know that Michaels father was also Cornelius as I was in touch with someone who had a copy of the birth certificate. His wife was possibly Margaret Daw.
I did a lot of research on ancestry.co.uk and my family tree is set to public so anyone can view it.
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Hello Alan
I have sent you a PM
Jay