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I am researing the name St. Leger from Doneraile (co. Cork) and from the rest of Ireland, too.
Have been reseaching this name for the past 25 years plus so have accummulated a LARGE database of St. Legers.
Would welcome hearing from anyone else who is researching their St. Leger roots.
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Hey any links with Amanda Redman!
She has links with Ireland and St Leger / St Ledger's I think in the Waterford region
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/
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Unfortunately, no links with Amanda Redman - but she has certainly raised the profile of the name.
The surname St. Leger is a lot more common than some people think!
Rose
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In Wales there was a St Ledger-Grenfell I wonder if the Cornwall / Welsh Grenfell's have links to the St Ledger name?
Elizabeth ST LEDGER died on 22 May 1685 (23) Parents: Aldworth ST LEGER and Mary BARRY. She was married to Pascoe GRENFELL MP on 15 Jan 1798
Jen
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Hi Jen,
thank you for the information on Grenfell/St. Leger.
Believe it or not the Grenfells are directly descended from the same Pembrokeshire family as I am. The St. Legers are my husbands family and this is one instances of where our two families converge. It also happens way back in medieval times, too.
The longer is study genealogy I am begining to believe that we are all related to one another!
Rose
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Well you may be related to me (although very distantly)!,
I have Swansea Glamorgan Grenfell's in my family
My Great Grandfather Campbell Charles Taylor had a sister Alice Taylor she married an Ernest Grenfell, this Grenfell line were poorer but are related to the very powerful Swansea Grenfell's (Pascoe Grenfell etc) but this link is further back in Cornwall. If you are interested I can give you more information
Regards Jen :D
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Hi Jen,
I'm afriad my connections with the Grenfell family is very loose.
Riversdale William Grenfell (son of Pascoe Grenfell and Georgiana St. Leger) married Charlotte Adelaide Elliot. Charlotte Elliot was the grandchild of my 5 x g grandmother's brother, Dr. George Elliot of Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire.
Rose
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Ok not a problem. Even so it may be worth you taking a peek at this excellent Grenfell site:
http://grenfell.history.users.btopenworld.com/index.htm
Take care
Jen :D
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Thanks for the Grenfell website addess. Most interesting site.
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I have St. leger as my middle name. My family adopted the idea of continuing the St.Leger name after the end of the line on one of the many fragmented family trees. It is now custom for the first son of each new generation to be called St.Leger. However, this only goes back two generations and I'm keen to find out more........
James St.Leger Franklin.
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stlegermay,youre right about relation's.Pembokeshire,Haverford West in particular,Prendergast,s,related to everyone else,even if only periphally.!!This page look's like a round up of all of them!
Love it!Goggy. ;)
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I also have St Leger ancestors - I am descended from Sir William's daughter Elizabeth who married Murchadh O'Brien, Earl of Inchiquin. I wondered if you had any information about Sir William's wife Gertrude de Vries or his mother Elizabeth Roth.
Best wishes
Anoushka
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There's a treasure and murder story about St Legers in Cork - may be of interest/relevance.
http://www.ballyvolanehouse.ie/legend_popup.htm
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Isn't there a horse race called the St Leger ?? ::)
Is that a connection too ??
Annie :)
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There sure is Annie!
You picked a n'orse ?
By the way,the St Leger family are still waiting for the real Lord Doneraile to stand up!
Goggy. ;) ;D
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Well here's my favourite !! ;) ;)
http://homepages.iol.ie/~nodonnel/churchoi.html
Annie :)
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On the ball Girl!
Did you read of the curse of Doneraile?Good one I thought.How come the name of the winning horse wasn't mentioned?
If you stick with one of Prendy's horses you will at least get your money back.Just tell them I sent you!!
Stay loose 'R' Kid. Goggy. ;) ;D
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I am researing the name St. Leger from Doneraile (co. Cork) and from the rest of Ireland, too.
Have been reseaching this name for the past 25 years plus so have accummulated a LARGE database of St. Legers.
Would welcome hearing from anyone else who is researching their St. Leger roots.
Hi stlegermay,
Have a look at buttonmoon's Surname interests (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,143585.0.html) on the Wicklow board.
The 1796 Spinning Wheel Census (Flax Growers List) on Joh Hayes failteromhat.com site lists one St Leger ...
John St. Leger, Quin, Clare
There's a lengthy list of them on Griffiths Valuation extracts 1848-64 which are on the same website.
The Hon. Miss Elizabeth St. Leger, (http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/aqc/aldworth.html) afterwards the wife of Richard Aldworth, Esq., appears to have been initiated as a Freemason at Doneraile Court sometime between 1710 and 1718. .
Christopher
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I am researing the name St. Leger from Doneraile (co. Cork) and from the rest of Ireland, too.
Have been reseaching this name for the past 25 years plus so have accummulated a LARGE database of St. Legers.
Would welcome hearing from anyone else who is researching their St. Leger roots.
Hello,
I am a descendant of the St. Leger family, but I really have no idea which branch, though. My maternal grandmother's father (my great-grandfather) was Joseph Thomas St. Leger, and he lived in the area of Baltimore, MD in the USA his entire life. He in fact spent most of his working years working as an accountant with the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad. At this time, I have no information about his parents, etc.
My late great aunt (older sister of my grandmother) had in fact gone to Ireland before and had met St. Legers there...she brought back a piece of stone that was apparently part of a "castle" in Ireland the St. Legers owned. She was the type to blow things out of proportion, so while I was a boy and I thought it was a fascinating story, I was more skeptical as an adult...until I stumbled upon the St. Leger history of the Viscounts Doneraile. So, while the piece of stone may have been part of a structure at Doneraile (I understand the manor house has been at least partially restored), that doesn't mean I am descended from them. In fact, it appears that the bloodline died out, and that the title Viscount Doneraile is vacant. So I am reasonably certain that I am not of that line at all. But what line am I descended from? ???
It appears that both sides of my mother's family came to Maryland from Ireland BEFORE the great potato famine in Ireland, so they have been in the USA for quite a long time.
Any insight anyone can provide would be most helpful. I look forward to any further discussions on this family!
Cheers,
Bill Kargel
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Hi St Leger May,
I have some St. Leger headstone photos which might be of interest to you.
Some from Doneraile and some of Aldworth St Leger buried in Cobh (formerly Queenstown) related to the Newmarket St Legers.
Send me your email address by PM If you are interested
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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Another area of the world where the name St Leger pop's up. Near by is also a Doneraile Park.
http://www.stleger.co.nz/
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I am interested in the St. Leger family of Doneraille and am a distant relative of Ursula St. Leger via her marriage to Bernard Fitz-Patrick, 2nd Lord Castletowne.
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There sure is Annie!
You picked a n'orse ?
By the way,the St Leger family are still waiting for the real Lord Doneraile to stand up!
Goggy. ;) ;D
Viscounts Doneraile, First Creation (1703)
* Arthur St Leger, 1st Viscount Doneraile (d. 1727)
* Arthur St Leger, 2nd Viscount Doneraile (1694–1734)
* Arthur Mohun St Leger, 3rd Viscount Doneraile (1718–1750)
* Hayes St Leger, 4th Viscount Doneraile (1702–1767)
[edit] Viscounts Doneraile, Second Creation (1785)
* St Leger St Leger, 1st Viscount Doneraile (d. 1787)
* Hayes St Leger, 2nd Viscount Doneraile (1755–1819)
* Hayes St Leger, 3rd Viscount Doneraile (1786–1854)
* Hayes St Leger, 4th Viscount Doneraile (1818–1887)
* Richard Arthur St Leger, 5th Viscount Doneraile (1825–1891)
* Edward St Leger, 6th Viscount Doneraile (1866–1941)
* Hugh St Leger, 7th Viscount Doneraile (1869–1956)
* Algernon Edward St Leger, 8th Viscount Doneraile (1878–1957)
* Richard St John St Leger, 9th Viscount Doneraile (1923–1983)
* Richard Allen St Leger, 10th Viscount Doneraile (b. 1946)
The heir apparent is the present holder's son Hon. Nathaniel Warham Robert St John St Leger (b. 1971)
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to Ms Fitz,
I have sent you some photos of St Leger headstones and Doneraile cemetery
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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Mary
Thank you for your quick response and generous nature.
[F]
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Amanda Redman on "Who Do You Think You Are?" investigating her St Leger ancestors in Ireland:-
http://www.youtube.com/user/Acramveh?feature=mhsn#p/c/EF346E6378CAA2E2/0/LsGKeRy7I2E
C
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I have been trying to trace by mother's family back as she told me they were descendants of the St Legers from Doncaster. She said that her great grandfather was a St Leger but was disowned by the family when he ran off with the sewing maid! Interestingly I have managed to trace her grandmother who is Catherine Leger and her father is William but I am unable to find anything about him anywhere - neither birth, marriage, death - which is odd and might back up the fact that his family disowned him.
Does your research include any family from the Yorkshire area please?
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Has anyone checked thee Church for records? Destroyed records are the bane of my wall between the UK and Canada - Can we know more about the story?
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It's hard to check church records when I can't find out exactly which area they were in. I have managed to get a birth certificate for my great grandmother Catherine Ledger (note sometimes names spelled Ledger and sometimes Leger) which shows her parents as William Ledger (Leger) and Sarah Walker. I have worked out that William must have been born sometime in the early 1800s i.e probably before 1810. The fact that there is no further trace of him leads me to believe he may have been the son who was cut off from the family. My mother recalls seeing a family bible when she was young and it had an impressive family tree in the front but her father didn't like the subject being discussed (jealousy I suspect!) and tore it up!!
It was normal in those days for any children who disobeyed to be disinherited and if the family were powerful they could probably organise destruction of all records. I therefore wondered if anyone working on St Legers before 1800 could perhaps have worked back in my direction! ???
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I am also researching the St leger's and would like to know more about a John who worked at Princetown jail in Devon and later became the publican of the Plume of Feathers - I understand we descend from Donneraile but there are many missing links - help!
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Hi there wondering if you could shed any light on the St Leger's that I am related to - there are so many variations on the spelling of Leger, Ledger adding the St or deleting it!
My great grandmother's mother was Elizabeth St Leger and she married Bartholomew Egan in Australia. Her father, was John James St Leger born in Ireland, 1818 and he died in 1854 in Australia - word has it by drowning. His father, was John St Leger born in Ireland in 1780. He married Ann Sheercroft and passed in 1850. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Sorry don't think I can help. There are a lot of St Legers (St Ledgers) in Ireland but I haven't yet found a connection to my branch which is from Yorkshire. Interestingly though there is the St Leger horserace in Doncaster which suggests they were horsey people and, of course, Ireland is notorious for its horses so perhaps if I get back far enough there will be a connection! Good luck with your search
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Hi
I have lots of info on John leger who worked at princetown prince and owned the plume of feathers.
I know he came from borrisokane Ireland. With hs wife and young son Edward .
His brother Edward had already gone to Australia and I have been in touch with his decendants.
I believe he had a sister Catherine who went to Canada but this is unconfirmed.
I know his father was also John.
I have yet o prove the connection with the donaraile St.ledgers
It's taken me nearly 10 years to gather the info but I have more on John if you are interested.
How are you connected with John?
My husband decends from his second son William .
Regards
Karen
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Hi and thank you for your message. I would be really interested in hearing more. My maternal family are St Leger's and I will forward you the exact connection with `john once I have spoken to my mother - or I am bound to get it wrong! I think the connection is through my great grandmother who was Rose St Leger and one of several children (most of them girls). She married into the Trice family. I have some photographs and a family bible with all the names and dates of birth. I have a William Ledger married to Annie Moss in my tree - does this ring any bells?
I look forward to chatting to you more.
Regards
Karen
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Hi Karen
Yes that's the William in my tree. But I don't have a Rose.
I have never found decedents for Johns other children Alfred and Amelia.
I have a copy of Johns Will plus a book about the murder trial in Ireland when he was accused of the murder of 4 catholic men during a funeral!
I recently when to the prison museum at princetown but the records for Johns time there when it was closed as a prison where destroyed in a fire .
I then found the church where he is buried with his first wife and eldest daughter. No headstone but the church did have the records typed up and available to view.
Then I had a drink in the Plume of Feathers where he actually lived and died .
I also have a transcript from a tenant at the prison when John was the caretaker
,she describes him as a hard brutal man.
I'm still working on getting his military records.
My main research now is trying to get back to the next generation . His father
John Leger is described as a 'gentleman' on Johns second marriage cert.
I think, but yet to prove that our John Leger desends the Donaraile
St.Ledgers but probably being the youngest son from each descendant there was no money or title to be had.
It's also quite interesting that the ' St' is only added around 1900. And that is the same for Williams brother Edward who went to Australia as well. Which makes me think they stayed in touch .
I'd love to know more about the bible and the photos you have.
Kind regards
Karen
Ps my tree is available for public viewing on ancestry.com. Just search either John Leger or William Ledger
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Sorry but I can't help. So far my St Legers are all in Doncaster and I haven't found a connection with Ireland as yet although I suspect it may be there given the St Leger horse race in Doncaster and the fact that Ireland is famous for its horse breeding!
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Hello
Off to work in a minute but will have time this evening to reply properly to your e-mail - How exciting!
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Hi I wonder if any one could help my mum side of the family are descendants of sir Antony st ledger and was do some research on it but there is also many different st ledgers around and was wondering if anyone could help me narrowing it down
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I am new to this site and found your entries about St Leger - My family uncertainly links with the St Leger family through Heyward St Leger b. abt 1642 through his marriage with Barbara (surname unknown) but I have not been able to establish if the subsequent link to the Gilman family is genuine. Would you happen to have any information about that?
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I am researing the name St. Leger from Doneraile (co. Cork) and from the rest of Ireland, too.
Have been reseaching this name for the past 25 years plus so have accummulated a LARGE database of St. Legers.
Would welcome hearing from anyone else who is researching their St. Leger roots.
stlegermay,
I'm currently researching a Mary (or Marie) St. Leger who married an O'Connell (first name unknown). Would you have any information/knowledge about this?
Cheers,
Bales1
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There sure is Annie!
You picked a n'orse ?
By the way,the St Leger family are still waiting for the real Lord Doneraile to stand up!
Goggy. ;) ;D
Viscounts Doneraile, First Creation (1703)
* Arthur St Leger, 1st Viscount Doneraile (d. 1727)
* Arthur St Leger, 2nd Viscount Doneraile (1694–1734)
* Arthur Mohun St Leger, 3rd Viscount Doneraile (1718–1750)
* Hayes St Leger, 4th Viscount Doneraile (1702–1767)
[edit] Viscounts Doneraile, Second Creation (1785)
* St Leger St Leger, 1st Viscount Doneraile (d. 1787)
* Hayes St Leger, 2nd Viscount Doneraile (1755–1819)
* Hayes St Leger, 3rd Viscount Doneraile (1786–1854)
* Hayes St Leger, 4th Viscount Doneraile (1818–1887)
* Richard Arthur St Leger, 5th Viscount Doneraile (1825–1891)
* Edward St Leger, 6th Viscount Doneraile (1866–1941)
* Hugh St Leger, 7th Viscount Doneraile (1869–1956)
* Algernon Edward St Leger, 8th Viscount Doneraile (1878–1957)
* Richard St John St Leger, 9th Viscount Doneraile (1923–1983)
* Richard Allen St Leger, 10th Viscount Doneraile (b. 1946)
The heir apparent is the present holder's son Hon. Nathaniel Warham Robert St John St Leger (b. 1971)
G'day. I'm terry from Geelong, Australia. One of the Aldworth's ended up in Koroit Aus. And married a Crowe, My step uncles grandfather. Nothing written down - Isn't that always the way.
If you can help me find anything, I'd be over the moon. Just on a different level. Elizabeth St Ledger Alworth's portrait I think is in the National Irish Mesuem. Copys have been made and distorted to make her more manly. And surrounds her with masonery junk that isn't in the original. I have several copy's if you want them.
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I would also love to learn more about my St Leger roots, although I don't think they are as august as most of ya'lls!
My great-grandmother, Margaret St Leger was from O'Callaghan Mills, County Clare. Her parents were Bartholomew St Leger and Bridget Halloran. Bartholomew's parents were James St Leger and Nancy Ryan, and that's as far back as I've been able to definitely confirm.
I know nothing about where the St Legers of County Clare originally came from. My 3rd cousin, who is a St Leger and still lives in O'Callaghan Mills, says she's heard a vague family story about being related to a Richard St Leger who came from England during the Cromwell invasion of Ireland. As in any family lore, how much is truth is up for debate.
Anyone have any clues? Thanks so much!
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One of the St Ledger Aldworth family the Aldworth part ended in Koroit, Vic, and married a Crowe around early this century, I know all about the Freemasons after researching them. One of the Aldworth's dropped off the map, and we can't join them from or to Koroit near Towerhill Warrnambool. Believe it or not, Koroit is Aboriginal not Irish. How he came to be there? there's no record of an Aldworth anywhere near except, in Bendigo, and Sydney, part owner of the SMHerald. It's a long shot considering were I've been, but you may be able to help
yours: Terry Morris
P.S I added a copy of the original Elizabeth St Ledger Aldworth. The masons, to name a few are using an awful Photoshopped Image, man like, and added mason junk all over them, this is from the original,
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Hi Terry,
I am a relation of one of William Crowe of Koroit, Victoria and have just returned from visiting Doneraile Court, home of the St Legers and Newmarket Court, home of the Aldworths in Cork, Ireland. It was fascinating to learn about our ancestors. I also visited some monuments to the family in St Patrick's Cathedral in Dublin.
I would be happy to share information with you.
Regards
Rob
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Trying to find an Allen/St. ledger connection between 1750 - 1850.
I'm trying to see if there was a connection between these 2 families.
I'm working on notes left by my late father.
I've not had much luck in finding Johns ancestors or where he finished up in the States.
I know his father, a John Allen and his mother Margaret Cotter-Bennett of Rockhill estate in Charleville, Co. Cork.
Below a section of my fathers notes:
"As a teenager, John Allen was sent to Lord Doneraile’s stables at Doneraile Co Cork, to train as a Jockey. The Donerailes, whose family name was St Ledger, were related to him through his ancestors, the Allen’s of Patrickswell. Perhaps it should be mentioned in passing that John Allen’s grandaunt, Agnes Allen of Patrickswell, was, at this time of which we are speaking, the wife of The McCarthy-Murrough. She had a sister called Elizabeth Allen, Hence the names Agnes and Elizabeth in our Aherne family.John Allen immigrated to America as a young man. He became attached to the Payne- Whitney stables, in Carolina. As a Jockey, he was quiet famous on the American scene Our Mother, his sister, used to speak much of his attainments, saying that he rode the winner of one of the American Classics (Kentucky Derby, perhaps).At a later stage in his career, he was manager- trainer for the Payne-Whitney stables. Later he became a trainer and owner in his own right. He trained and owned several well- known horses".
I would appreciate any information or help.
Thank you.
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Pedigree of St. Leger, Viscounts Doneraile, c.1750 -- 1819.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.171, pp.523-4
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Pedigrees of the St. Leger families, 12th - 19th c., compiled by the Rev. Edward Frederick St. Leger, 1 vol., 1867, also newscuttings relating to this volume compiled by the Rev. St. Leger and by his son, Edward Viscount Doneraile, 19th c.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Ms. 21,850
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Pedigrees of St. Leger and Aldworth families prepared by Edward, 6th Viscount Doneraile, also notes by him on several other families, late 19th-early 20th c.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Ms. 21,717
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Pedigree of the family of Aldworth of Newmarket, a branch of the family of Aldworth of Stanlake, 17th - 19th c., compiled by Edward Viscount Doneraile, 19th c.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Ms. 21,851
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St. Leger Family: Tabular pedigree of the second or St. Leger branch of the Irish family of Aldworth of Newmarket (Co. Cork), showing all the descendants of St. Leger, 1st Viscount Doneraile in 1755. 19th c.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, n.4584, p.4550
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The St Leger was devised by Anthony St Leger, an army officer and politician who lived near Doncaster. It was initially referred to as "A Sweepstake of 25 Guineas".
The inaugural running was held at Cantley Common on 24 September 1776.
The title St Leger Stakes was decided at a dinner party held in 1776 at The Red Lion Inn located in the Market Place, Doncaster to discuss the following year's race. It was suggested that it should be called the Rockingham Stakes in honour of the host, the Marquess of Rockingham, but the Marquess proposed that it should be named instead after Anthony St Leger.
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I am researing the name St. Leger from Doneraile (co. Cork) and from the rest of Ireland, too.
Have been reseaching this name for the past 25 years plus so have accummulated a LARGE database of St. Legers.
Would welcome hearing from anyone else who is researching their St. Leger roots.
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Am trying to find out about Honora St. Ledger who may have been born in 1857 at Headford, Galway. Do you happen to have any record of this lady who ends up, I believe, as Honora Collins.
Family rumour is that she fell on hard times and the family did not want to know but we all realise that this could be complete bunkem !!!
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Hello,
I am researching John and Catharine St. Leger from Clonroche, Wexford, who emigrated with their children, William, Catharine, Mary Ann in 1852 on the ship William Rathbone out of Liverpool to Bucks County, Pennsylvania, US. Any info is appreciated. Thank you.
Kathleen
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Pedigrees of St. Leger and Aldworth families prepared by Edward, 6th Viscount Doneraile, also notes by him on several other families, late 19th-early 20th c.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Ms. 21,717
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Pedigrees of the St. Leger families, 12th - 19th c., compiled by the Rev. Edward Frederick St. Leger, 1 vol., 1867, also newscuttings relating to this volume compiled by the Rev. St. Leger and by his son, Edward Viscount Doneraile, 19th c.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Ms. 21,850
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Pedigree of the family of Aldworth of Newmarket, a branch of the family of Aldworth of Stanlake, 17th - 19th c., compiled by Edward Viscount Doneraile, 19th c.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Ms. 21,851
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Pedigree of St. Leger, Viscounts Doneraile, c.1750 -- 1819
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.171, pp.523-4
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C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for St Leger
Displaying results 1 - 100 of 607. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m0e/
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There was at least one family of Legers in New Ross when I was growing up in the 1950s. One started a dance band and began to call himself St. Leger (probably correctly!). There was a "Who do you think you are programme on UK TV last year, featuring Amanda Redman. She had St. Leger ancestors in or around New Ross, but they did not - at least on the programme - talk to any living St. Legers in the town. Pity.
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Not everything can be for free!! ;D
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Thank you, I do have a copy of that document but I need to go much further.
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Which document?
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You probably can't go much further back than the
Pedigrees of the St. Leger families, 12th - 19th c., compiled by the Rev. Edward Frederick St. Leger,
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Which document?
The one by Rev. Edward St. Leger.
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Fortunately for us there are so many other sources of information available today that Rev. Edward St. Leger did not have access too. We are now very fortunate. I am trying to establish a link between the main Doneraile line and the Tipperary line.
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Fortunately for us there are so many other sources of information available today that Rev. Edward St. Leger did not have access too. We are now very fortunate. I am trying to establish a link between the main Doneraile line and the Tipperary line.
Update on my recent messages. . .
My St Leger husband has recently taken a DNA test and amazingly he has three separate DNA matches with living descendants of the St. Legers of Heywards Hill line which now proves the link between the St. Legers of Shinrone and Ballingarry and Borrisokane with the St, Legers of Heywards Hill and back to Ulcombe.
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I have just discovered St Leger in my tree too. Mine appear to come from Waterford from where I am at now in my research. My 5xgreat grandmother being Mariam (Mary) St Leger born 1754 who I believe is the daughter of George St Leger and Catherina Power.
I too have done a DNA test, do you have a gedmatch?
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In 1970 I worked for a solicitor in Dublin who had vast amounts of papers on the St. Legers of Doneraile from various church registers. All to do with the claim of American St. Legers to the title and property in Doneraile. Seems their claim failed, all to do with someone being born before the parents were married!
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Hi SidSilverSurfer
The lady you are researching Honora St. Ledger is my Great Grandmother, i can fill you in on the details i have if you contact me, hope you get this message.
Am trying to find out about Honora St. Ledger who may have been born in 1857 at Headford, Galway. Do you happen to have any record of this lady who ends up, I believe, as Honora Collins.
Family rumour is that she fell on hard times and the family did not want to know but we all realise that this could be complete bunkem !!!