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Title: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: flaherty835 on Tuesday 30 May 06 17:20 BST (UK)
My father's brother died aged 5 years at 144a Brownlow Hill, Liverpool in May 1921. Someone suggested that could be was the Workhouse. Can anyone confirm this, please.

His mother and the rest of the family were living in Leeds Street, Liverpool at that time.
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 30 May 06 17:40 BST (UK)
Hi Flaherty835,

I don't have any local knowledge but indeed found this:

http://www.institutions.org.uk/workhouses/england/lancs/liverpool_workhouse.htm

See also here:
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/Liverpool/Liverpool.shtml

Tanja  :)
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: flaherty835 on Wednesday 31 May 06 15:07 BST (UK)
Hi Tanja,

I'm really grateful to you for this. The answer was in the first website address you gave me - the workhouse was at 144a Brownlow Hill.

Many thanks,

John
 :)
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: Tati on Wednesday 31 May 06 15:48 BST (UK)
 :D That's why I put it first!!  :D   

I thought the 2nd one was interesting too, especially as it tells you where the records are kept.

Tanja  :)
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: garethgriffiths on Saturday 10 June 06 08:17 BST (UK)
Thanks for the info on the websites Tati as its also given me some good pointers as my grandmother was born at 144a Brownlow Hill in 1909.
It seems that 145-7 were the Tiger Vaults public house.
I have posted on this site under Owens and Davies in the Liverpool Lancashire section.  If we find any info on 144a or images can we post it here please?  I am reviewing the librbary index and there are some goodies in there relating to baptisms, maybe worth a trip to the library, I live in Stoke and its about an hour for me to travel there I think.
regards Gareth
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: MaryA on Saturday 10 June 06 08:46 BST (UK)
There are certainly some sites with photographs of the Workhouse around, Mike Roydens for one http://www.btinternet.com/~m.royden/mrlhp/local/poorlaw/poorlaw.htm and he has aerial map too. 

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/Liverpool/Liverpool.shtml this is another good one, and for the Kirkdale Industrial School too.

Just google and I'm sure you will find others.

Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: colette on Sunday 11 June 06 23:47 BST (UK)
Hi All 144a Brownlow Hill was the Workhouse it later became the infirmary.
I have my Father in laws mums admission paper 1922 and my father in law the day he was born.
She lived at Circus St and went there the day before she gave birth.

Colette
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: garethgriffiths on Monday 12 June 06 07:37 BST (UK)
Hi Collette,

Thanks for keeping this query ongoing as Im learning a lot about my grandmothers birthplace.  I understand the Liverpool RO has a website but they dont advertise their search costs. 

I have gone through their website info on 144a Brownlow Hill and from info on RootsChat and understand that I could ask/recieve 2 copies for the admissions for both my grandmothers birth and for her mother is this correct?  Have you any idea of the cost as you have similar?  I have her birth cert already.  What other docs should I be seeking from them i.e in connection with their exit perhaps?
Thanks Gareth
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: Daffodilly on Monday 12 June 06 08:18 BST (UK)
Colette,

The site of the workhouse is now the Roman Catholic Cathedral.  The  Infirmary was at Pembroke Place, London Road, now part of Liverpool University.

Daff
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: colette on Monday 12 June 06 11:32 BST (UK)
Hi i have the birth cert of my father in law and it says 144a Brownlow Hill.
He was definatly born at the infirmary i even have the admission records for his mother the day before and for him 6th Jan 1922, his mother has a totaly different address she lived at Circus St.

As you have the date hopfuly someone who is going to the records office could get you the copies, someone got mine for me a few years ago.
Doesnt cost much just the photocopys they are a few pence.

Colette
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: colette on Monday 12 June 06 11:34 BST (UK)
http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=conMediaFile.8234

Heres a Photograph of the Brownlow Hill Infirmary

Colette
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: colette on Monday 12 June 06 11:44 BST (UK)
Hi again just checked my 1911 Directory and there was the Liverpool Royal Infirmary on Pembroke Place, but if he was born there why would his birth cert say 144a Brownlow Hill.
And the Picture i have also says the Brownlow Hill Infirmary.

Wouldnt the address have been Pembroke Place.
His mother was not in the Workhouse she was a Photographer by proffession and she lived on Circus St.

Colette
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: Daffodilly on Monday 12 June 06 16:13 BST (UK)
Colette/Gareth, I have found another site that may help:

http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=ConNarrative.179

The bit that is relevant is this:

"After much disagreement between the years 1879 and 1882 it was decided to separate the gynaecological and maternity work of the Hospital. As a result a new Lying-in (maternity) Hospital was built on a site at the corner of Brownlow Hill and Brownlow Street. This was completed in November 1884 and opened to patients in February 1885. The hospital stayed in these premises until a move to a new building in Oxford Street. The foundation stone of the Oxford Street hospital was laid in March 1924 and it was officially opened in September 1926. From this time onwards it was known as the Liverpool Maternity Hospital."

So, was the hospital (Infirmary) on part of the Workhouse land so had the same address?  I am interested having worked in some of the Liverpool hospitals years ago and I must have walked past the Brownlow Hill site so often.  I wish I lived nearer as I would go and see where it was.  The workhouse didn't close until 1931 so these buildings must have been there at the same time.  We need someone who new old Liverpool well.

Babies were also delivered at the Royal Infirmary as I remember my driving instructor tellling me he was, so it is all a bit confusing!  Too many hospitals too close together!

Colette, it might explain why your father in law was born at the workhouse but his mother wasn't in the workhouse.

I am not sure if I have helped or caused more confusion - I didn't mean too!

Daff
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: garethgriffiths on Monday 12 June 06 21:57 BST (UK)
Hello folks,
In my case for Margaret Catherine Owens I have to note her mothers address as stated on her birth cert which was given as 49 Limekiln Lane, i.e. she lived there then went into the infirmary at 144a Brownlow Hill to have the baby.

In a manner somwhat similar to the former i.e. Colette's 'Circus Street' situation, I would still be inclined as advised to go for the admissions documents from Liverpool RO before I decide but I must admit I do favour it was just a short stay at 144a.

Given it was 1909 and the advent of electricity being installed on a wider scale and the fact that the baby's father being employed as an eletric light installer then one assumes that he was in work, probably with plenty of it.

I suppose the answer to Daff's point will be in a book somewhere?
Thanks Gareth
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: Christopher on Wednesday 28 November 07 04:29 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone,

There's a strong Irish interest in the Brownlow Hill Infirmary and Workhouse. Despite Agnes Jones, the first trained Nursing Superintendent at the Infirmary, being born in Cambridge, the daughter of a wealthy father with a career in the military which took the family to Mauritius and then found them settled in Fahan, Co. Donegal two Co. Donegal women, Mary Devlin and Margaret McGrath, with assistance from Joe Cassidy and Mike Kelly, from Vauxhall, Liverpool started  the Agnes Jones Project  (http://www.scottiepress.org/projects/a_jones.htm) around 2002. Their plan is to establish a Heritage Centre in County Donegal which will acknowledge her life and work.  Agnes,  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_Elizabeth_Jones) a Florence Nightingale trained nurse, arrived in Liverpool in 1865 at the request of William Rathbone to care for the sick and dying in the Workhouse Hospital in Brownlow Hill. Thirty five year old Agnes died of typhus fever in 1868.

Florence Nightingale described   the achivevments of Agnew and her staff  (http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/walker/collections/oratory/agnes_jones.asp) at the Infirmary in these words ...
"In less than three years she had reduced one of the most disorderly hospital populations in the world to something like Christian discipline, such as the police themselves wondered at .."

Keen readers may like to beg, borrow or purchase a copy of Felicity McCall's book "Agnes Jones" which was published by Guildhall Press in 2006 and is beautifully illustrated by Derry artist Joe Campbell. It includes images and extracts from the stage play by Handful Productions as well as images from the film "Agnes" by Ambient Light Productions and Greater Shantallow Community Arts.

Christopher
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 06 December 07 09:00 GMT (UK)
just some info for gareth and anyone else interested in liverpool in particular....if you google
yoliverpool     you can go to specific areas of liverpool for more detailed info on that area....hope this helps...regards...allan
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: johneowens on Sunday 16 September 18 19:09 BST (UK)
http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=conMediaFile.8234

Heres a Photograph of the Brownlow Hill Infirmary

Colette

Hi Colette

Unfortunately, this link no longer works.

Does anyone know of a pic of the Brownlow Hill Infirmary/Brownlow Hill Lying-in (Maternity) Hospital in Brownlow Street?

Many thanks and best wishes

John
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: stanmapstone on Monday 17 September 18 09:48 BST (UK)
Have a look at http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Liverpool/ there is a photograph of the infirmary.

Stan
Title: Re: Brownlow Hill, Liverpool
Post by: johneowens on Monday 17 September 18 10:15 BST (UK)
Excellent. Many thanks, Stan.

Best

John

PS. Just discovered some contemporary photos of what became the Liverpool Royal Infirmary @ https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/gallery/liverpool-royal-infirmary--9503146