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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: Sus on Sunday 04 June 06 00:17 BST (UK)
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Looking for birth/christening records of children of John CRICKMORE and Sarah STANNARD, married 6 Jan 1761, Wingfield, Suffolk.
John, about 1760
James, about 1766 (my 5th great grandfather, through an illegit. son)
Robert, about 1768
I already have births for Charlotte, Sarah, Ann, and Elizabeth, but the sons still elude me. All three sons are buried in Brockdish, Norfolk, in the CRICKMORE family plot. The St. Elmham villages are St. Peter, St. Michael, St. Cross, All Saints, St. James, St. Nicholas, St. Margaret! The family were landowners and lived at New Ditch Farm near Brockdish (across the river Waveney from Syleham). I have already looked at wills, several parish records, and other websites and am at my wit's end! Thanks for any help. Susan in Oregon, U.S.A.
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Hello Susan
I found these today:
Elmham St Michael:
James Crickmer s/o John and Sarah bap 21st Oct 1764
Charlotte Crickmer (pb) d/o John and Sarah bap 25th Jan 1767
Elmham St Peter:
Sarah d/o John and Sarah Crickmoth bap 8th Jan 1769
Also at Elmham St Peter:
John s/o John Crickmer 13th March 1774
Sorry I could not help with the other sons.
Kind regards
Anne
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Hello Sus,
As you have correctly listed, the South Elmham's are
Southelmham All Saints and Southelmham St Nicholas are two united parishes (St Nicholas having fallen down a few hundred years ago)
Southelmham St Cross (which - just to confuse us all - was also known as St George and as Sancroft in past times, that is in the sort of documents you and I may be searching).
Southelmham St James
Southelmham St Margaret
Southelmham St Michael
Southelmham St Peter
and just to confuse us all further there is a Northelmham in Norfolk :)
Our Bridges ancestors also pop back and forth between Syleham and Brockdish.
Our daughter's godmother lives in Syleham and we often used to walk, many years ago, with the children in their prams and buggies along the lane, and then over the bridge and into Brockdish - a short walk. Then to the shop for ice creams along the banks of the river.
Good luck with the search - as we say around here, you are searching in the wilds of Bow and Arrow country ;)
Suffolk Mawther ...
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Thanks, Anne, for the information on the Crickmore baptisms I was seeking. You have saved me a lot of searching. I was particularly glad to see the baptism for James, my ancestor. Susan in Oregon.
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Suffolk Mawther -- Thanks for the info on all the St. Elmham's. And, for your memories of Syleham and Brockdish. I have never been there, so the mental picture your description created was great! Susan in Oregon.
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Hello again :D
Unfortunately, as in so many villages, that shop is long gone, so no longer can we buy ice creams and sit on the banks of the river to eat them.
However, this is a lovely unspoilt part of England, and the stroll along the lanes is still possible. Our friends live at the top of the lane to Syleham St Mary parish church, at a crossroads and they so still get 'mobile shops' calling. They park across the road and when we were last there staying over for the weekend on Sunday morning, we went to buy the newspapers from the back of a small van.
all best wishes, SM ...
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Hello, SM --
My 2nd great grandmother, Frances Crickmore ("Fanny") was born in Syleham in 1839, and I have tried to picture what it must have been like for her to grow up in such a small village during the Victorian age. She was raised by her grandparents, and after their deaths went to Lowestoft to work as a house servant. She met and married Samuel Moore and they raised their eight children in various cottages on Light House Score.
Back to Syleham -- I know from the 1851 British census that Fanny and her grandparents lived on Great Green in Syleham. Do you know it? Does it still exist? They lived at number 46.
By the way, even though I am an American (but born in Norwich), I do know what "Suffolk Mawther" means! I can just imagine how my dad would pronounce it (he was from Lowestoft).
Thanks for your reply. All the best.
Susan in Oregon
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Good day to yew Sus,
So you reckon yew hev sussed me eh? Well Oi reckon yew may be roight about ode Suffolk Mawther - Oi hint so young these days tho :)
Have you had a look at Syleham church? Being right up on the borders it has a round tower more associated with Norfolk than Suffolk - www.suffolkchurches.co.uk
Will have a look for the address you mention and let you know what I can find.
This weekend my husband John and I will be conducting a walking tour around Framlingham (his home town). It's 'A Stroll around Victorian Framlingham' (www.framlingham.com)
Yet another busy weekend coming up ;)
Cheeeeerio!
SM ...
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Explanation . . . . . .
MAWTHER - this is a term given to young women by young men, so they would refer to their girlfriends as 'my mawther'
It's a few years since my bor referred to me as young mawther, though he still says mawther - occasionally or more often jokingly !
as in ... dew yew come along young mawther ...
For more information on the Suffolk Dialect great source of information is our dear friend Bob's book
'The Mardler's Companion'
A dictionary of East Anglian Dialect
Robert Maltster
Malthouse Press 1999
ISBN 0 9522355 7 9
Available in Suffolk libraries.
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oooops!
Sorry, the explanation is not for Sus, but for anyone who doan't know wot we are gooing on about!
A load of ode squit Oi reckon!
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Hi, Suffolk Mawther --
I enjoyed reading your explanation of "mawther" and a bit of the Suffolk dialect. I tried reading it aloud, but my American accent couldn't quite get around it all! It did bring back memories, however! I have a tape recording (reel-to-reel) of my dad and some Suffolk friends reading humorous stories out of the East Anglian magazine, back in 1960!
I hope that your walking tour of Framlingham went well this past weekend. I am not acquainted with the town, but I did locate it in my trusty Philip's Suffolk street atlas!
I have seen pictures of the little church in Syleham, and once read that the people used to climb up the Saxon round tower to see if Vikings were coming up the river!
If you are ever up that way again and could see if Great Green still exists, that would be lovely.
Sincerely,
Susan M. Blake
Phoenix, Oregon
U.S.A.
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Hello again Susan,
It's such a glorious warm blue sky day here in Suffolk, I thought I would take the dog for a walk on the footpaths around our village this morning.
So in haste :)
Last year one of our chain of book stores had a BOGOF sale (buy one, get one free) and it applied to everything they sold, so with left over birthday money I bought a complete set of all the Ordnance Survey Maps of Suffolk - well I thought they might come in handy for research purposes ;)
Great Green looks to be a part of the main village centre of Syleham ~ I wonder if you check it on Google Earth or better still, perhaps try www.old-maps.co.uk and have a look around.
We are going to Norfolk for a few days next month (surprise for my big birthday this year, and it really was a surprise as I thought I had my present at the time) we shall be going to Blickling Hall (beautiful National Trust building) as there is a series of 'pop' concerts and John booked for one of them. I may be able to persuade John that we need to come home via Syleham (unfortunately I can't use visiting Caroline as an excuse as she is living abroad at the moment). Will see what I can do ;)
For John's home town www.framlingham.com
I guess we shall retire back there in a few years time ~ we live in south Suffolk now ~ and yes it must have gone well at the weekend as we have been asked if we would do it all again next year :D
all best wishes,
SM ...
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Hello, SM --
Thanks for your message and for the websites to look at for more info on Syleham (and Framlingham, too). It would be lovely if you would stop by Syleham on your way back from Norfolk next month, but if it is not possible, don't worry about it. It is a lot to ask, I know.
I noticed that you have Fisk names in your genealogy, from Suffolk. I have some also, mostly spelled Fiske, from Lowestoft, early 19th century.
Take care, and thanks again for your offer to stop by Syleham.
Sincerely,
Susan in Oregon
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Hi All
I have many Crickmore's/ Crickmars on my tree but they all come from Fingringhoe. Is there any connection with the St Elmham branch ?
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Hi Sus
My Crickmore's are from South Elmham, George Crickmore, parents (Jospeh Crickmore and Sarah Laws) married Elenaor Stannard, wondering if there is any connection.
Nari
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Hi, Nari --
I looked through my research, and I do not have any of the Crickmore names you are looking for.
You may find something at http://www.familysearch.org, which has quite a large database of genealogical information submitted by researchers through the years.
Good luck with your search.
Sincerely,
Susan Blake
Hurricane, Utah, USA
P.S. If you would like to take a look at my family tree and see my Crickmore line, just go to my website -- http://smblake1.tribalpages.com
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Thankyou Susan, my Crickmore's have been nothing but a nightmare since I started, brick walls from day one but slowly working my way through it, thankyou for the link, will have a look :)
Regards
Nari