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Title: 11th Hussars
Post by: kargil on Sunday 04 June 06 22:13 BST (UK)
Is there anywhere I could find out where the 11th Hussars were stationed between 1835 and 1860?
Have managed to piece together a few places from where children were born!
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 04 June 06 23:33 BST (UK)


Hi kargil !

11th Hussars

    1825   Jat War   
    1826   India   
    1838   England   
    1840.03.13   11th (Prince Albert's Own) Regiment of (Light) Dragoons (Hussars)
    1843   Ireland   
    1846   England   
    1852   Ireland   
    1854.05   at sea (embarked at Kingston)   ships: Glendalough, Asia, War Cloud, Parameter, Tyrone, Penola
    1854.06   Bulgaria: Varna   
    1854   Bulgaria   
    1854.09.   at sea   
    1854.09.16   Crimea: Kalmatia Bay   
    1854   Crimea   Light Bde
    1856.06   at sea   
    1856.07.28   England   
    1858.07.30   Aldershot   
    1861   Ireland   
    1865   England   

http://website.lineone.net/~royal.hussar/11hhomepage.htm

Annie  :)
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: kargil on Monday 05 June 06 17:46 BST (UK)
Oh my word!!!!
Thank you VERY much for doing this.
This ties in with a lot of the births and gives a 'starter' on his journey to the 'Charge' - (he survived!)
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: M.T.H on Monday 05 June 06 19:38 BST (UK)
Hi Kargil,

Did your ancestor actually ride in the charge?

I have the book 'Honour The Light Brigade' by Lumis and Wynn, it contains a short biography of every man known to have ridden in the charge on 25th October 1854.

If you don't already have the information, post his name and I'll have a look for you.


Mick :)
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: kargil on Monday 05 June 06 21:48 BST (UK)
I had a copy loaned to me.
My gggrandfather was William Bentley who was saved from death by Lt Dunn.
I have a good bit of background to him but am always on the lookout for much more. I have been trying to get more info about his Military career which wasn't the Crimea and also trying to 'tie in' his children's lives.
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: M.T.H on Tuesday 06 June 06 14:53 BST (UK)
My gggrandfather was William Bentley who was saved from death by Lt Dun

Wow! you must be very proud of him!

I can fill in some of the gaps regarding the movements of the 11th Dragoons/Hussars.

In 1837 the regiment was in Cawnpore in having served in India for 18 years.In December 1837 they left Cawnpore and India via Calcutta where the regiment was put aboard two ships, the Repulse and the Thames.The 200 men aboard the Thames had a terrible 700 mile journey due to there being no proper accomodation and a total lack of any hammocks or bedding! :P

When they arrived back in England they were posted via Chichester to Canterbury where they remained until 1840 when they were moved to Preston Barracks in Brighton,half of the regiment were quartered at the Royal Pavillions.It was at this time that the name of the regiment was changed from the 11th Light Dragoons to the 11th (Prince Albert's Own) Hussars on account of their having escorted Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg on his arrival in England on his way to marry Queen Victoria.

The regiment left Brighton on the 22nd March 1841 and were ordered to do 'Queen's Duty' providing escorts for Royal journeys and visits, they were quartered at Hounslow Barracks with a detatchments of the regiment at Hampton Court, Kensington and the Royal Military College at Sandhurst.In the summer of 1841 they escorted the Queen to Nuneham, Woolwich and Woburn.

In April 1842 they were sent to York due to the threat of civil unrest by the Chartists and by August 1842 there were detatchments of the regiment in Halifax, Rochdale and Glossop where their duties included escorting Chartist prisoners to and from Goal to court.

On the 25th April 1843, and due to the troubles in Ireland, they left York and travelled to Dublin via Liverpool.In Dublin they were quartered at the Royal Barracks near Pheonix Park.

Returning from Ireland in May 1846, they spent the next two years at Coventry with a detatchment at Manchester.

From 1848 to 1850 they were back at Hounslow escorting the Queen, and in 1850 they went to Norwich where they stayed until 1852 when they returned once again to Dublin and that's where they were when war was declared in the Crimea.

Hope this helps,

Mick :)
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 06 June 06 15:10 BST (UK)


Mick !

What great information !! Thank you !

Annie  :)
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: kargil on Tuesday 06 June 06 18:16 BST (UK)
Thank you ever so much for the fascinating information - just in - so will print it off and have a good read!
I always think I am at the end of the line, have everything on him,  then.................. more information appears!
What wonderful knowledge! Thank you so much!
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: M.T.H on Wednesday 07 June 06 12:39 BST (UK)
You're welcome,

I'm pleased that you found the information interesting. Always happy to help where I can!

Mick :)
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: rousseau on Sunday 07 September 08 11:40 BST (UK)
Has anyone heard of Captain ARTHUR HENRY SCOTT (thought to be born 1859) who was in the 11th Hussars for most of his life. He was probably in South Africa and missed the 1901 census, retiring soon afterwards to live near Barnstaple in Devon. He was also an equerry to George V. Date of death unknown, but still alive in 1943.
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: km1971 on Sunday 07 September 08 14:04 BST (UK)
Welcome to the Forum. No one of that name is in the Boer War medal roll for any of the cavalry regiments, and neither can I find in him in Army Lists from around the time, as an officer in any regiment or corps. The closest is Charles Henry E Coote - if the E is miss-read as an S - otherwise nothing. Coote was in the 11th Hussars when not attached to the Herts Yeomanry and became a Cornet in 1879, so he would be of the right age.

Where does the information come from?

Ken

Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: rousseau on Sunday 07 September 08 14:25 BST (UK)
Thanks, Ken. The information is from his granddaughters. They are certain he was in the 11th Hussars. South Africa is a deduction based on him not being in the 1901 census and the fact that some 11th Hussars were in South Africa at that time. The family also posseses George V's fishing knife which he gave Scott (known as "Boy" Scott) when they were both in a boat fishing and Scott lost his over the side. He made such a fuss the King said "Look here, you'd better have mine" just to shut him up.  There are problems because I can find no GRO index listing for him in 1859 or anything close. Maybe he was born in India, or somewhere abroad. He is listed in the 1920 Kelly's for Devon at Priorton House, Sandford, Crediton with his rank. I cannot find him in any census, except possibly at Sanhurst Cavalry Barracks in 1891 where his birth year works out at 1862, which is close.

Best wishes,

Nigel
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: brummie nick on Sunday 14 September 08 09:29 BST (UK)
Would the Earl of Cardigan been the CO of the 11th Hussars in 1851,?

I have him on the 1851 census with his regiment [no name given] stationed at
The Cavalry Barracks", ---
      Norwich St James Norwich, Norfolk.

Nick
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: km1971 on Sunday 14 September 08 09:31 BST (UK)
Yes he was

Ken
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: brummie nick on Sunday 14 September 08 10:20 BST (UK)
Thanks Ken, in that case I wonder if this is Kargill's GGG Grandfather?


William  BENTLEY   Sldr   M   31   M   Private   Kilnwick-Yks
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: km1971 on Sunday 14 September 08 12:31 BST (UK)
Yes it is. I was going to post an update to Annie about the location of the 11H in 1860. I checked the Musters last week, not realising this was a two year old thread.

He was 863 and enlisted in 1835 in Beverley. The Depot at the time was Maidstone. He was discharged in July 1860 as Troop Sgt Major in Manchester. They had recently moved there from Birmingham (with a detachment of two troops in Coventry). The Muster confirms his place of birth, but Kargil has this already. He was a Farm Servant before enlisting. As a TSM he earned 3d 2d a day, plus 1d a day GC pay. Which is a bit low - others with less service were on 3d -  so he may have lost some. A check for a LSGC medal might be in order.

Ken
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 15 September 08 15:58 BST (UK)



I've just caught up with this thread ...  :D heres all the terrific the information on William Bentley on our Charge of the Light Brigade thread !!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,286323.msg1736329.html#msg1736329

Thank you though for looking for him !

Annie  :)
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: brummie nick on Monday 15 September 08 16:50 BST (UK)
According to that link  his wife's name was Mary, so I wonder if this is the family living with him at the barracks?

Mary  BENTLEY   SldW(Head)   M   32   F   ---   Canterbury-Ken
George  BENTLEY   SldC   -   11   M   ---   Canterbury-Ken
William  BENTLEY   SldC   -   4   M   ---   Dublin-Ire
Thomas  BENTLEY   SldC   -   1   M   ---   Norwich-Nfk
Emma  BENTLEY   SldC   -   7   F   ---   Dublin-Ire
Mary Ann  BENTLEY   SldC   -   3   F   ---   Manchester-Lan
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: emmacawkwell on Saturday 11 October 08 16:22 BST (UK)
Hello. I'm new on here andhope someone can.

I have just discovered that an ancestor of mine was stationed at 11th Hussars Hounslow Barracks on the 1881 census. He was a Private William Howe, aged 23.

Could anyone help with some extra infomation.

Many thanks

Emma
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: km1971 on Sunday 12 October 08 18:58 BST (UK)
Hi Emma

Welcome to the Forum. Here is a link to the researching soldiers at the National Archives - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/army/step4.htm. The main series are WO97 to see if his papers survive, and WO16 (maybe WO 12 as well), the Muster and Pay Lists. These start to disappear between 1885 to 1895 depending upon the regiment. But his early service will be included if you find his papers have not survived. They will tell you where he was on the first date of each month, plus (at this time) you should get some FH information if you are missing that.

Unfortunately they are all original documents so you will have to visit Kew or employ a researcher.

Have you found him in later census? And do you know where any of his children where born and when? This will help to discovering when he left the army, and also if he transferred to another regiment.

Ken
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: TimPic on Thursday 16 May 13 23:02 BST (UK)
Has anyone heard of Captain ARTHUR HENRY SCOTT (thought to be born 1859) who was in the 11th Hussars for most of his life. He was probably in South Africa and missed the 1901 census, retiring soon afterwards to live near Barnstaple in Devon. He was also an equerry to George V. Date of death unknown, but still alive in 1943.

I have just joined and just noticed this, I am afraid there was no officer of that name in the 11th Hussars before 1908, I happen to have a copy of the regimental records.
The nearest name is William Scott-Elliot who joined as a 2nd Lieutenant from the Militia in Dec. 1894, was promoted lieutenant in 1898 and left to join the Army Service Corps as a Captain in 1902. He served in the N.W. Frontier 1897-8 and received the medal with clasp. Sadly though no Arthur Henry Scott
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: millymcb on Thursday 16 May 13 23:27 BST (UK)
Hi Tim

Welcome to Rootschat ;D ;D  Thanks for taking the trouble to post. This thread has been inactive for a while and the original poster has not returned for some time so you may not receive any replies.

Please do stick around and explore Rootschat a little as there are lots of interesting conversations going on ;D

Milly
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: Westee on Thursday 25 April 19 06:29 BST (UK)
I've just read the really interesting information on the 11th Hussars and am looking for a James Marigold who was also in this regiment.  I have him listed in the 1841 cavalry  barracks in Kensington; and then again in 1851 in Norwich; probably with Lord Raglan the 7th Earl of Caridgan!  Wow. Anyway, I was wondering if any information on James Marigold is in the book "Honour the Light Brigade" by Lumis & Wynn?   
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: [Ray] on Thursday 25 April 19 09:38 BST (UK)
Hi

Just to tidy up AH Scott . . . . .

He and his wife Catherine are on the 1939 register at the address ( next door ) mentioned
It does not look like this person had any military history, due to occupation mentioned.
As it is a subscription site I will not publish details

R
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: Westee on Thursday 25 April 19 09:54 BST (UK)
James Marigold would have been born in 1819 in Shenstone, Staffordshire.
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: francoso on Monday 13 May 19 04:34 BST (UK)
This is your man attached. His medals were sold on 19 Jul 2017 by Dix Noonan and Webb in London for £12,000 having been sold earlier on 08 Sep 2015 by the same auction house for £9,000. The write up is stunning. Wonderful bit of your history.
Regards, francoso
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: Westee on Monday 03 June 19 21:09 BST (UK)
After serving 10 or 15 yrs in the 11th Hussars, could a soldier buy their way out of service?

My ancestor has disappeared after 1854 and is definitely not there in 1858. 
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: Westee on Monday 03 June 19 21:10 BST (UK)
Also, could anyone tell me if a Patrick Kennedy served in the Crimea?  I can't quite decipher the notes I have but would seem that he did serve there. 
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: Jeffrey on Monday 02 December 19 13:13 GMT (UK)
I am researching my husbands ancestor who was with the 11th Dragoons in Hounslow in the 1841 Census.
His name was Robert MINSTER.
Has anyone got any information on him or what happened to him please?

Thank you very much.

Judy

P.S. I am always amazed by how people on this site, who are interested in the Army have so much information to pass on. We are very lucky.
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 02 December 19 13:40 GMT (UK)
The name is Robert MINISTER. He attested for the 11th Light Dragoons in 1825 at the age of 22. Born Norfolk. Discharged in 1843. 
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: Jebber on Monday 02 December 19 14:00 GMT (UK)
He was discharged medically unfit, having served in the East Indies, he was ineligible for a pension.

He was 5ft 9ins with black hair, grey eyes and a sallow complexion.

Findmypast have thirteen pages of military records for him.
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 02 December 19 14:22 GMT (UK)
Quote
he was ineligible for a pension

Ineligible for an in-pension. He got an out-pension. 
Title: Re: 11th Hussars
Post by: Jeffrey on Monday 02 December 19 15:28 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much for the replies. I have just looked at the information about him on FindMyPast. Unfortunately this is not the same Robert Minster as the one I am researching. I was convinced it was mine as his father was in the 20th Dragoons.

Now I have to go back to the drawing board.

Thank you all for your time and information.

Judy