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Is there anywhere I could find out where the 11th Hussars were stationed between 1835 and 1860?
Have managed to piece together a few places from where children were born!
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Hi kargil !
11th Hussars
1825 Jat War
1826 India
1838 England
1840.03.13 11th (Prince Albert's Own) Regiment of (Light) Dragoons (Hussars)
1843 Ireland
1846 England
1852 Ireland
1854.05 at sea (embarked at Kingston) ships: Glendalough, Asia, War Cloud, Parameter, Tyrone, Penola
1854.06 Bulgaria: Varna
1854 Bulgaria
1854.09. at sea
1854.09.16 Crimea: Kalmatia Bay
1854 Crimea Light Bde
1856.06 at sea
1856.07.28 England
1858.07.30 Aldershot
1861 Ireland
1865 England
http://website.lineone.net/~royal.hussar/11hhomepage.htm
Annie :)
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Oh my word!!!!
Thank you VERY much for doing this.
This ties in with a lot of the births and gives a 'starter' on his journey to the 'Charge' - (he survived!)
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Hi Kargil,
Did your ancestor actually ride in the charge?
I have the book 'Honour The Light Brigade' by Lumis and Wynn, it contains a short biography of every man known to have ridden in the charge on 25th October 1854.
If you don't already have the information, post his name and I'll have a look for you.
Mick :)
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I had a copy loaned to me.
My gggrandfather was William Bentley who was saved from death by Lt Dunn.
I have a good bit of background to him but am always on the lookout for much more. I have been trying to get more info about his Military career which wasn't the Crimea and also trying to 'tie in' his children's lives.
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My gggrandfather was William Bentley who was saved from death by Lt Dun
Wow! you must be very proud of him!
I can fill in some of the gaps regarding the movements of the 11th Dragoons/Hussars.
In 1837 the regiment was in Cawnpore in having served in India for 18 years.In December 1837 they left Cawnpore and India via Calcutta where the regiment was put aboard two ships, the Repulse and the Thames.The 200 men aboard the Thames had a terrible 700 mile journey due to there being no proper accomodation and a total lack of any hammocks or bedding! :P
When they arrived back in England they were posted via Chichester to Canterbury where they remained until 1840 when they were moved to Preston Barracks in Brighton,half of the regiment were quartered at the Royal Pavillions.It was at this time that the name of the regiment was changed from the 11th Light Dragoons to the 11th (Prince Albert's Own) Hussars on account of their having escorted Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg on his arrival in England on his way to marry Queen Victoria.
The regiment left Brighton on the 22nd March 1841 and were ordered to do 'Queen's Duty' providing escorts for Royal journeys and visits, they were quartered at Hounslow Barracks with a detatchments of the regiment at Hampton Court, Kensington and the Royal Military College at Sandhurst.In the summer of 1841 they escorted the Queen to Nuneham, Woolwich and Woburn.
In April 1842 they were sent to York due to the threat of civil unrest by the Chartists and by August 1842 there were detatchments of the regiment in Halifax, Rochdale and Glossop where their duties included escorting Chartist prisoners to and from Goal to court.
On the 25th April 1843, and due to the troubles in Ireland, they left York and travelled to Dublin via Liverpool.In Dublin they were quartered at the Royal Barracks near Pheonix Park.
Returning from Ireland in May 1846, they spent the next two years at Coventry with a detatchment at Manchester.
From 1848 to 1850 they were back at Hounslow escorting the Queen, and in 1850 they went to Norwich where they stayed until 1852 when they returned once again to Dublin and that's where they were when war was declared in the Crimea.
Hope this helps,
Mick :)
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Mick !
What great information !! Thank you !
Annie :)
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Thank you ever so much for the fascinating information - just in - so will print it off and have a good read!
I always think I am at the end of the line, have everything on him, then.................. more information appears!
What wonderful knowledge! Thank you so much!
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You're welcome,
I'm pleased that you found the information interesting. Always happy to help where I can!
Mick :)
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Has anyone heard of Captain ARTHUR HENRY SCOTT (thought to be born 1859) who was in the 11th Hussars for most of his life. He was probably in South Africa and missed the 1901 census, retiring soon afterwards to live near Barnstaple in Devon. He was also an equerry to George V. Date of death unknown, but still alive in 1943.
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Welcome to the Forum. No one of that name is in the Boer War medal roll for any of the cavalry regiments, and neither can I find in him in Army Lists from around the time, as an officer in any regiment or corps. The closest is Charles Henry E Coote - if the E is miss-read as an S - otherwise nothing. Coote was in the 11th Hussars when not attached to the Herts Yeomanry and became a Cornet in 1879, so he would be of the right age.
Where does the information come from?
Ken
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Thanks, Ken. The information is from his granddaughters. They are certain he was in the 11th Hussars. South Africa is a deduction based on him not being in the 1901 census and the fact that some 11th Hussars were in South Africa at that time. The family also posseses George V's fishing knife which he gave Scott (known as "Boy" Scott) when they were both in a boat fishing and Scott lost his over the side. He made such a fuss the King said "Look here, you'd better have mine" just to shut him up. There are problems because I can find no GRO index listing for him in 1859 or anything close. Maybe he was born in India, or somewhere abroad. He is listed in the 1920 Kelly's for Devon at Priorton House, Sandford, Crediton with his rank. I cannot find him in any census, except possibly at Sanhurst Cavalry Barracks in 1891 where his birth year works out at 1862, which is close.
Best wishes,
Nigel
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Would the Earl of Cardigan been the CO of the 11th Hussars in 1851,?
I have him on the 1851 census with his regiment [no name given] stationed at
The Cavalry Barracks", ---
Norwich St James Norwich, Norfolk.
Nick
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Yes he was
Ken
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Thanks Ken, in that case I wonder if this is Kargill's GGG Grandfather?
William BENTLEY Sldr M 31 M Private Kilnwick-Yks
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Yes it is. I was going to post an update to Annie about the location of the 11H in 1860. I checked the Musters last week, not realising this was a two year old thread.
He was 863 and enlisted in 1835 in Beverley. The Depot at the time was Maidstone. He was discharged in July 1860 as Troop Sgt Major in Manchester. They had recently moved there from Birmingham (with a detachment of two troops in Coventry). The Muster confirms his place of birth, but Kargil has this already. He was a Farm Servant before enlisting. As a TSM he earned 3d 2d a day, plus 1d a day GC pay. Which is a bit low - others with less service were on 3d - so he may have lost some. A check for a LSGC medal might be in order.
Ken
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I've just caught up with this thread ... :D heres all the terrific the information on William Bentley on our Charge of the Light Brigade thread !!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,286323.msg1736329.html#msg1736329
Thank you though for looking for him !
Annie :)
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According to that link his wife's name was Mary, so I wonder if this is the family living with him at the barracks?
Mary BENTLEY SldW(Head) M 32 F --- Canterbury-Ken
George BENTLEY SldC - 11 M --- Canterbury-Ken
William BENTLEY SldC - 4 M --- Dublin-Ire
Thomas BENTLEY SldC - 1 M --- Norwich-Nfk
Emma BENTLEY SldC - 7 F --- Dublin-Ire
Mary Ann BENTLEY SldC - 3 F --- Manchester-Lan
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Hello. I'm new on here andhope someone can.
I have just discovered that an ancestor of mine was stationed at 11th Hussars Hounslow Barracks on the 1881 census. He was a Private William Howe, aged 23.
Could anyone help with some extra infomation.
Many thanks
Emma
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Hi Emma
Welcome to the Forum. Here is a link to the researching soldiers at the National Archives - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/army/step4.htm. The main series are WO97 to see if his papers survive, and WO16 (maybe WO 12 as well), the Muster and Pay Lists. These start to disappear between 1885 to 1895 depending upon the regiment. But his early service will be included if you find his papers have not survived. They will tell you where he was on the first date of each month, plus (at this time) you should get some FH information if you are missing that.
Unfortunately they are all original documents so you will have to visit Kew or employ a researcher.
Have you found him in later census? And do you know where any of his children where born and when? This will help to discovering when he left the army, and also if he transferred to another regiment.
Ken
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Has anyone heard of Captain ARTHUR HENRY SCOTT (thought to be born 1859) who was in the 11th Hussars for most of his life. He was probably in South Africa and missed the 1901 census, retiring soon afterwards to live near Barnstaple in Devon. He was also an equerry to George V. Date of death unknown, but still alive in 1943.
I have just joined and just noticed this, I am afraid there was no officer of that name in the 11th Hussars before 1908, I happen to have a copy of the regimental records.
The nearest name is William Scott-Elliot who joined as a 2nd Lieutenant from the Militia in Dec. 1894, was promoted lieutenant in 1898 and left to join the Army Service Corps as a Captain in 1902. He served in the N.W. Frontier 1897-8 and received the medal with clasp. Sadly though no Arthur Henry Scott
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Hi Tim
Welcome to Rootschat ;D ;D Thanks for taking the trouble to post. This thread has been inactive for a while and the original poster has not returned for some time so you may not receive any replies.
Please do stick around and explore Rootschat a little as there are lots of interesting conversations going on ;D
Milly
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I've just read the really interesting information on the 11th Hussars and am looking for a James Marigold who was also in this regiment. I have him listed in the 1841 cavalry barracks in Kensington; and then again in 1851 in Norwich; probably with Lord Raglan the 7th Earl of Caridgan! Wow. Anyway, I was wondering if any information on James Marigold is in the book "Honour the Light Brigade" by Lumis & Wynn?
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Hi
Just to tidy up AH Scott . . . . .
He and his wife Catherine are on the 1939 register at the address ( next door ) mentioned
It does not look like this person had any military history, due to occupation mentioned.
As it is a subscription site I will not publish details
R
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James Marigold would have been born in 1819 in Shenstone, Staffordshire.
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This is your man attached. His medals were sold on 19 Jul 2017 by Dix Noonan and Webb in London for £12,000 having been sold earlier on 08 Sep 2015 by the same auction house for £9,000. The write up is stunning. Wonderful bit of your history.
Regards, francoso
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After serving 10 or 15 yrs in the 11th Hussars, could a soldier buy their way out of service?
My ancestor has disappeared after 1854 and is definitely not there in 1858.
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Also, could anyone tell me if a Patrick Kennedy served in the Crimea? I can't quite decipher the notes I have but would seem that he did serve there.
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I am researching my husbands ancestor who was with the 11th Dragoons in Hounslow in the 1841 Census.
His name was Robert MINSTER.
Has anyone got any information on him or what happened to him please?
Thank you very much.
Judy
P.S. I am always amazed by how people on this site, who are interested in the Army have so much information to pass on. We are very lucky.
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The name is Robert MINISTER. He attested for the 11th Light Dragoons in 1825 at the age of 22. Born Norfolk. Discharged in 1843.
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He was discharged medically unfit, having served in the East Indies, he was ineligible for a pension.
He was 5ft 9ins with black hair, grey eyes and a sallow complexion.
Findmypast have thirteen pages of military records for him.
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he was ineligible for a pension
Ineligible for an in-pension. He got an out-pension.
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Thank you very much for the replies. I have just looked at the information about him on FindMyPast. Unfortunately this is not the same Robert Minster as the one I am researching. I was convinced it was mine as his father was in the 20th Dragoons.
Now I have to go back to the drawing board.
Thank you all for your time and information.
Judy