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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: deb usa on Thursday 08 June 06 14:50 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone
I am hoping someone can help me find Josiah Waterfield in 1881. Josiah is the 1st born son (c1858) of Mary Ann Waterfield . She, it seems had 3 illegitimate boys ie: Josiah 1858, Francis Mitchell Waterfield b 1872 (i have his birth cert ..fathers name is not there) and Thomas Hy waterfield b 1878.
this is the info i have :
Robert Waterfield married Mary Ferris
Their children :
My Mary Ann b 1836
Hannah Ferris b 1839
William b 1843
John Doidge waterfield b 1848
Theophilis b 1850
mary b 1855
I have:
Mary Ann with parents and sister Hannah in 1841 (West St ?)
1851: with parents and siblings
1861: with parents, siblings and Josiah (23 ? bridge cottages)
1871: with Josiah (29?neler st) found her under WATERFIED
1881: with Francis(aka Frank) and Thomas (9 Ford st)
!891: with Thomas (2 Pauls building)
1901: with Thomas (pauls bld)
(all in Tavistock)
My GGrandfather Francis Mitchell Waterfield Joined the navy(became a Chief petty Officer) marriedMary Jane Adams in 1899.....I have them living in Bannawell st in 1901.
Regarding Josiah... i have found him in 1871 (with his mother)and in 1891 and 1901 in the St Andrews area with his wife Mary (Northmore).
i have tried searching under just Josiah in Devon...also tried Josaih/Josia/Joshia etc.
Ok i have rambled on enough...LOL
If anyone has any connection to this family or can help in anyway i would be grateful.
Also i wonder how Mary Ann got away with THREE illegitimate sons .... and i wonder what happened that her 2nd and 3rd sons were born almost 20 years after the first ?
have a good day
Deb
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hi debs,
well what a turn up i have a waterfield family who also come from tavistock bannawell street in fact coincidence or what i ask? so we are digging deep to find your family as we know that there was at that time one big family of waterfields all related in the village and all it seems were either illegitimate or placed with other families, our james martin waterfield was born in the workhouse the usual place when the mother was unmarried ,do you have any other details of the family as i do think we have a link although my james was born in 1842 it may be that they were cousins , so keep in touch and i will get back to you as soon as i find them
oh im excited!
krissy
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hi Krissy
well right now i am so p/o because i wrote a whole long letter to you and then all of a sudden my computer went on the blink and i have to try and remember what i wrote >:(
okay i will start again......if i can remember...LOL...okay i can't remember but the coincidence is that you have Waterfields living next door to each other at bannawall street but have you seen in in the 1881 census there are waterfields living next door to each other in Ford street....at number 9 and 10.
in 1881 we have :
james waterfield head ...b abt 1842
emma waterfield wife b 1844
florence waterfield dau b 1872
william waterfield son b 1874
they all lived at 10b ford st
next door at the same time is :
mary Ann waterfield (my gg grandmother) b 1836
francis mitchell ...my gr grandad b 1872
thomas hy b.1878
living at 9 ford street
this was not my original post to you..... lol..i have forgotten what i said earlier before i lost all of my info to you ...i will be back soon when i can think without being tired,,,,,also major thunderstorm happening here ...will post later
bye for now
deb
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hi debs,
hope your more awake now not sure of the time difference between us but anyway, yes we notice the closeness in the families which is why i am convinced that we were some how related, hopefully if we dig enough i will find out . the link has to be with robert so thats the road im going right now , as i said they were a big family and most of the girls ended up with illegitimate children, my grt grandfather being one of them yours too! banawell st street came under the poor law union as was west st ford st etc, so with not a lot going for them a lot of these children were placed with other families to help the mother, our james was placed with the martins yet his surname was waterield? so maybe josiah was placed with another family at some point too, we will find him im sure.
will get back to you as soon as i find anything
bye for now
krissy
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Hi Krissy
Nice to see you're still on the Waterfield trail.
Mo
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terrymo! hi there cousin, what do you think of this post then? i think its more than a coincidence that our waterfields were living next door to debs waterfields , so get your finger out girl and help solve this mystery, miss marples here is out at a birthday bash tonight so wont be capable of doing much . whats new?
anyway i think the road i am looking down is robert waterfiedld and could he have been a brother, cousin etc, to james martin waterfields mother ? theres a link somewhere girl i can smell it, since we are both daughters of the famous waterfield sisters i feel sure we can crack this one eh?
talk to you soon mo
luv krissy
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Hi again
i have jus read your post Terrymo and am so glad you are here to help us .:)
I just wanted to know some things as i have been searching for your James and have no idea if you have any info to go on ...ie: birth cert, word of mouth etc.... what do you know about him and his mum? did he have siblings?
Also i would love to hear all about these ancestors of ours that have had illegitimate children ...I thought my Mary Ann was the black sheep of the family ... most glad to know i am not alone LOL
I have also googled Bannawell street and Ford street just so i could get a feel of the place ...i did read that there was a poorhouse or hospital in one of the streets , can't remember which one . i'd been interested to read about the poor law union.
Regarding Josiah...i was thinking that maybe he was on a ship in 1881 as i can't find him anywhere. I have even tried him under Josiah FERRIS as that was his grandmothers maiden name .
Earlier i got excited as i thought i had found your James (in 1851 census).... he was with Margaret (head 38yrs) and 2 brothers Richard 16 and william 13 BUT then i discovered your James Martin Waterfield further down the page :'(
okay ...hope to hear from you soon
Deb
Ps i have also been in contact with a descendant of Theophilus Waterfield . i will look back on our correspondence and see if that brings any new info. (Theophilus is the brother of Mary ann and s/o Robert and Mary Waterfield.)
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hi debs,
i was wondering what your parents names are and which one is connected to the waterfields?
it seems likely although of course we need to prove it that robert could have been a brother to our elizabeth mother of james waterfield , she doesnt appear to have married despite having a child whom it seems she had placed into the care of another family, our link is edgar john waterfield , james,s son who was my grandfather and terrymos, mo is my cousin,from plymouth her mother and mine are sisters , both waterfields again another big family will have to send details. how did you end up in the usa?meanwhile we will still keep digging eh?
krissy
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Hi Again
okay this is my story: my dad mother was Mabel Waterfield ...Daughter of Francis Mitchell Waterfield the illegitimate son of Mary Ann Waterfield who is the d/o robert Waterfield.
Mabel Waterfield grew up as one of 7 girls in a wealthy household...francis having become a chief petty officer in the navy( Mabel Waterfield married william middleton) ...also i am researching his wife Mary Ann Adams side of the family ...who came from farmers..... owning property ...maybe that's where the money came from ????????? who knows!!!!?
I ordered francis mitchell waterfields birth cert hoping against hope that there may be a dad's name ...well no such luck!!!!! no dad on cert.
ok enough of me...lets find the dead peeps LOL. (please excuse typing .... i am not a typist ,,,lol)
i think we have to investigate all the kids of Robert Waterfield and see where that leads us.... it's 11'30 pm saturday here ...still having red wine as friendss have just left ...... lol ...need some sleep
will talk soon
ps : please explain your and terrymo 's cousinship LOL...... Blimey this is all so confusing ....LOL
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hi debs,
well after reading your reply twice i think i finally got the just of it lol!!! you must be a waterfield at heart we are all a bit like that hee hee. anyway our waterfields oh where do i start? james martin waterfield born in tavistock was the illegit child of elizabeth waterfield we think her mother was also elizabeth and father william ? anyway he was born 1842 in the union workhouse, then he grew up and married emma glubb, and they had a load of kids im sure there were more than the 3 i have, anyway edgar liked to me known as john, he married louisa harding in 1916, they moved to millbrook in maker cornwall.they had 12 children,(didnt have a telly, lol),agnes,dorothy,john,william,edgar,leonard/winifred,gladys(my mother),beatrice(mo,s mother), marjorie,louie,and nancy.
phew!!!! the family moved to devonport in plymouth where my mother met my father james jefferis, a staff sgt, in the royal army service corps, they had 4 children 3 boys and little old me. i left plymouth to join the army the married a royal marine(silly move) divorced him remarried and am living in wales. thats it maureen (mo) is till living in cornwall with her husband and children . so thats our history,
in the meantime ive asked the cousins to check with all the surviving waterfields f they can throw any light on your mary ann etc. so between us we will hopefully come up with something mo works in the library so may have chance to look up census records etc. so will keep you informed.
meanwhile have a nice day and talk to you soon
krissy
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Hi Krissy
Blimey, I just reread my post and i didn't understand my babbling either ... maybe the red wine talking LOL!
This is just a quick run down again to make things clear:
Mary ann Waterfield (b 1836) had 3 illegits.... the 2nd one was Francis Mitchell Waterfield.
Francis M waterfield married Mary Jane Adams
kids: Winifred
Gladys
Hilda
eddie
Dorreen
francis
Mabel My Grandmother
7 girls Blimey lol
Mabel Waterfield married William Middleton....they had 6 kids (3 boys and 3 girls) My dad is the oldest of the boys ... raymond francis terrence middleton.
so that's it in a nutshell .....
thanks for your "story' ...wow how big is this family anyway hee hee
okay i will be back soon ...need to get my papers in order before i can give more info , if any :)
talk to you soon
Deb
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Going back to your original request re Josiah - I think he may have been wrongly enumerated on the 1881 census.
1881 RG11 2197 folio 93
Albert Inn 27 & 28 Morley Place Plymouth St Andrew Devon
Silas Waterfield 22 Tavistock, Devon, Lodger Unmarried General Labourer
Marriages Jun 1881
Northmore Mary Plymouth 5b 470
Waterfield Josiah Plymouth 5b 470
1891 census RG12 1732 folio 24
9 Arundel Crescent St Andrew Devon
Josiah Waterfield 34 Tavistock, Devon, Head Married labourer in Ship Yard
Mary Waterfield 32 Manistow, Devon, Wife Married
Alfred J Waterfield 8 Plymouth, Devon, Son
Sidney H Waterfield 5 Plymouth, Devon, Son
Edith M Waterfield 3 Plymouth, Devon, Daughter
Lilian M Waterfield 1 Plymouth, Devon, Daughter
I can't see a Silas Waterfield on earlier censuses.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
Thanks for your reply .Sorry i have not been back to you sooner ...we had flooding ...phones and computer down.
I had also seen Silas Waterfield in 1881...was just not too sure how to validate a SILAS with the name JOSIAH. How can i be certain it's him??? Is there a way or do we just assume that it is an enumeration error?
Also what does make sense that this MAY be him is the fact that we cannot see him in earlier census and the fact that he has now made his way from Tavistock (1861 and 71 census) to St Andrews where he marries Mary Northmore and lives with his family (1881/91 and 1901 census).
I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Thanks once again for responding.... I love hearing from you :)
Deb
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There is no other Silas Waterfield on earlier or later censuses (in the whole country). There is a Josiah Waterfield on earlier and later censuses but not on the 1881 censuses.
If there is no civil registration information which supports the existence of a Silas Waterfield (which at this point there isn't on FreeBMD) or parish evidence from Tavistock registers then the conclusion must be that it seems unlikely a man called Silas Waterfield existed. Therefore it is very likely the '1881 census man' was 'somebody else' Waterfield. If he was 'somebody else' Waterfield who else could he be of roughly the same age and occupation born Tavistock with a liklihood of being in the Plymouth area who also had to be unmarried in 1881 and missing from that census.
Are there any other candidates except Josiah?
Using elimination as the methodology the best you can do is to say on the balance of probability he is....
The other possibility of proving the connection, using another record, would be to obtain Josiah's marriage certificate. If his address corresponds with the 1881 census address (tricky since he was staying at an inn so he could easily have moved - but on the otherhand his marriage was very close to the date of the census 3rd April) then you might get evidence from that which ties him to the 1881 census entry, or at least places him very closeby within at the most a month and a half of that census date.
You never assume in family history. The twin evils of any family history research are assume or presume - they cause all of us a lot of mistakes. As soon as you spot yourself using either word pull yourself up sharply.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
I just love reading your replies to me...... you are so eloquent !!!!!~ I just enjoy the way you are able to put things into perspective. I am loving the idea/fact that Silas is Josiah ...which now ties up some loose ends for me.
I was quite excited about a 'find' of mine, but after reading your last paragraph thought .... well maybe it's not a 'find' as it was all assumption and presumption regarding the father of my Francis Mitchell waterfield...the 2nd born illegitimate son of Mary Ann b 1836.
The info I have found is all a coincidence regarding a 'Francis Mitchell' who was 10 years older than her and who was not married. I have gone through the censuses and found him living in the same streets as Mary Ann , she was a shoe binder and he was a shoe maker........ All assumption I know ..... but what excitement when I thought I had found a dad for my gr grandad ! ;D
thanks once again for you reply and interest
deb
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hi debs,
just thought i would add my own opinion, strange you have come with a similar assumption as we have about james martin waterfield, since like francis he was illigit but was found on census records not with the mother but with the family of martins so either he was named after the family that fostered him out of respect etc; or like you, we have ideas about mr martin being his natural father. all this scandal in the family eh? or is it just our wicked imaginations hee hee ;)
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Hi all!
Reading through your posts rang some bells with me - especially Chrissie's last posting. James Martin Waterfield lived with my ancestors, William and Joanna Martin. It was James' middle name that interested me - Martin. In the 1861 Census, an Eliza Martin is living next door to William and Joanna, and she has a daughter Eliza, aged 2. Perhaps she is James' mother? In any case, the most interesting thing is that the witnesses to William and Joanna's wedding in 1831 were "William Martin Waterfield" and "Elizabeth Waterfield" - to whom Chrissie refers in her last posting. I wonder if William Martin and William M Waterfield were related somehow...
I look forward to hearing from you and solving the mystery...
Ross.
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Hi
Krissy is my cousin and we are both searching for answers to James Martin Waterfield. I have always assumed that James probably got his middle name from William Martin, who not only looked after him as a child but seems to have found him work in the same field and allowed him to live with his family until he married. I have my suspicions that William was the father of James, although he already has a son called James, born 1832.
However the Eliza Martin living next door in 1861 only appears to be 33 years old - James was 19 so I think it is unlikely she was his mother. That census also says William is married to Susanna, not Joanna, although in 1851 she is named as Joanna..
more questions than answers I'm afraid.
Mo
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OK I have to jump in here now as I also have WATERFIELDS.
William WATERFIELD married Elizabeth MARTIN at Tavistock 25 Dec 1808. William was a mason. They had 7 children baptised at:
John Dec 1811 (buried 5 Jun 1813) East Stonehouse; Mary 11 Jun 1814 Tavistock; Elizabeth Martin 23 Oct 1816 Plymouth St Andrew; Maria Perkin 30 May 1819 Plymouth St Andrew; John Richard 7 Oct 1821 Plymouth St Andrew; Ann 26 Oct 1823 East Stonehouse (buried 12 Jun 1825; James Martin 2 Apr 1826 East Stonehouse (buried 3 Oct 1827).
So I think this is possibly where the Martin middle name originated. I suspect that Elizabeth MARTIN was a sister of William MARTIN.
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Hi!
Thanks for your swift responses! Some of the mystery now begins to lift... I agree that the Eliza in the 1861 Census is too young to be James' mother - I was reading into a previous posting about a young, unmarried mother giving birth in the workhouse, however, 14 is a bit young, even for those days!
However, that second posting by DOB7 sheds some light on the mystery. If William Waterfield and Elizabeth Waterfield were witnesses at William Martin's wedding to Joanna, then it makes sense that the connection should be through Elizabeth, m.s. Martin.
William Martin was definitely married to Joanna (Johanna in other censuses) The 1861 Census appears to be a transcription error as all the names and dates fit with other censuses, leaving Joanna as the only reasonable option. Nursing children were often farmed out to close relations, so James M Waterfield's presence in the Martin household would indicate a close relationship to one of his parents - in this case, Elizabeth.
If I find out more, I'll let you know!
Ross.
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I've not read all the posts but the heading caught my eye. A brother and sister Waterfield were contemporaries of mine at Tavistock Grammar School 1953-8, and their mother ran the school tuck shop. She was still alive when we had a school reunion in 2003. Perhaps a letter to Tavistock Times and Gazette might help you make contact with the family if you are interested.
The old workhouse was at the top end of Bannawell Street. Looking at Google maps it seems as if Russell Court now occupies the spot.
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wow !! its great to see the waterfields raise their heads again , it will be interesting so see what new info we can all come up with !! hi debs (cousin) looks like we have so many more links to the family now will check with my mother about the school tuck shop lady she may well know her !!
krissy xx ::)
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My memory is clearly failing me. There was only ONE Waterfield child at school with me!
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Thank you DOB7
This is looking more and more like my family of Waterfields - especially with the Martin connection. It certainly explains why James lived with the Martin family all his younger life.
Mo
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It seems that way. My 'guess' is that James was the illegitimate child of one of William WATERFIELD and Elizabeth MARTIN's children and that they then farmed him out to MARTIN relatives. There is a birth registration for a James Waterfield, Tavistock district in 1842 - this may or may not help.
One of their daughters, Elizabeth Martin WATERFIELD (1816-1873) married Thomas Walter SQUANCE in 1834. Her husband died in 1849, and she then had various children elsewhere. William WATERFIELD's brother, John, married a Susannah SHERWILL, and one of their daughters, Dinah WATERFIELD married George SQUANCE, a younger brother of Thomas Walter SQUANCE. Another daughter, Tabitha WATERFIELD then married another George SQUANCE, cousin to the first 2 SQUANCEs.
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Hi again
James Martin Waterfield was born in Tavistock workhouse 11/2/1842 -mother Elizabeth Waterfield, no father. She would have been married to Thomas Squance at that time - but perhaps she was a naughty girl and registered the baby in her maiden name - but would she have been clever enough to do that? We already have one prostitute in the family so another lady misbehaving would be no surprise!
Mo
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Can't be the same Elizabeth Martin WATERFIELD - she was with her husband in 1841:
King Street, Plymouth St. Andrews
Thomas SQUANCE 25 Labourer b. in county
Elizabeth SQUANCE 25 b. in county
Elizabeth SQUANCE 21 months b. in county
and they baptised a child 10 Jun 1842.
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The list I have of children for William Waterfield and Elizabeth Martin (m.1808) is as follows:
John W. (1811-1813) East Stonehouse
Mary W. (1814) Tavistock
Elizabeth Martin W. (1816) Plymouth St. Andrews
Maria Perkin W. (1819) Plymouth St. Andrews
John Richard W. (1821) Plymouth St. Andrews
Ann W. (1823-1825) East Stonehouse
James Martin (1826/7) East Stonehouse
There are Census Returns for this family in 1851 & 1861 in Plymouth - they mention Mary, Elizabeth and John Richard. It is possible that the Elizabeth Martin Waterfield listed above (1816) was the mother of the James Martin Waterfield that was farmed out to the Martin family. The one listed above would have been much older than the James M. Waterfield born in 1842.
As for Elizabeth Martin, she would have been born c.1786 in Tavistock (from Census entries) and had a brother William (b.c.1796 in Tavistock) and possibly another brother Richard (b.c.1783 or 1791 in Tavistock). The latter is listed with his brother William's family in the Census of 1841. The existence of these three siblings may help us pin down the parents among the many Devon Martins. However, I note a link with the Wesleyan Methodist denomination, so their names may not appear in the Anglican Records. In 1841, the son of a local Methodist preacher, Evans Truscott, is also resident with the Martins in Tavistock!
We're getting there...
Ross.
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Elizabeth M WATERFIELD definitely married my SQUANCE in 1834, and had just given birth herself in 1842, so I doubt she is the one. The plot thickens!
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Hey guys if u check free bmd James Waterfield was one of a twin, his sister Eliza Waterfield is also there
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Not necessarily - they are on different pages, which can mean consecutive recordings, but not always.
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Hi
Now I'm even more confused!!
DOB7 how do you know it was Elizabeth Martin Waterfield who married Thomas Squance as the parish record for East Stonehouse only shows her as Elizabeth M Waterfield.
In 1841 I believe Elizabeth Martin Waterfield is living at Emma Place East with her mother and sister Maria, although it's difficult to be absolutely sure due to the rounding up of ages.
1851 no sign of Elizabeth M but there is a grandchild, born 1840, living with William and Elizabeth - another one of Elizabeh Ms?
1861 Elizabeth M is back home with her parents and the granchild, John is still there .
I'm going to buy the birth certificate of the grandchild John and see if this throws any light on the subject.
How lovely to stir up the Waterfields again as I'd thought we'd reached a dead end.
Mo
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hi guys havent read thro all the post so not sure if thi 51 s has been already found, but on checking thro my fam history records i found the 1851 record we had for james martin , seems there were 2 of them so we need to decide who is who and maybe we will get somewhere ha ha !!
1851 census
34 west bridge cotts tavistock
william martin head 55 journeyman , mason
johanna martin wife 51
james martin son 19 mason
elizabeth martin daur 16 working at copper mine
priscilla martin daur 14 house ser
hannah martin 10 scholar
james martin waterfield nurse child 9 scholar
john truscott widower
wonder if this will shed some light
krissy xx
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Krissy
It would seem that our James Martin Waterfield was the son of Elizabeth Martin Waterfield and her parents were William Waterfield and Elizabeth Martin. It also looks as though there was another illegitimate son, John, born in 1840 who lived with his grandparents. I've sent for his birth cert to see if he is the son of Elizabeth, as I suspect.
I'll let you knoe what I find out in due course.
Mo
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Well I'm completely flummoxed about Elizabeth M WATERFIELD who married Thomas SQUANCE. so many WATERFIELDs married the same SQUANCE family (well 3) and they all lived in and around Lower Batter Street, Moon Street, King Street, Frankfort Street and Looe Street in Plymouth.
However, I can confirm that John WATERFIELD born 1839 appears to have married Fanny Louisa LANDER 3 Apr 1867 at Sutton-on-Plym Church. Both gave abode as 20 Looe Street and he named his father as William WATERFIELD, Mason!
Please let us know if you get John's birth certificate. The 1851 census gave his age as 12 and the 1841 as 1. In 1861 he was 21, and in 1881 he was 41.
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The birth certificate for John Waterfield, 3/1/1840, shows he was another illegitimate son of Elizabeth Waterfield. He was brought up mainly by his grandparents William and Elizabeth Waterfield.
Interestingly in 1841 John is living with grandad William in Fore Street, Stonehouse, whilst his mother Elizabeth is living with grandmother Elizabeth at Emma Place West, the address given on the birth certificate. In 1842 Elizabeth had another illegitimate son, James, in Tavistock Workhouse, who was brought up by her uncle William Martin.
1851 living 3 Lower Batter Street, Plymouth with both grandparents and their family but mother Elizabeth is missing. I believe Elizabeth is working as a servant in Barton terrace, Dawlish.
1861 living 3 Lower Batter Street,with grandparents and also mother Elizabeth. Occupation merchant seaman.
John married Fanny Lander 3/4/1867 occupation mariner. Father given as William Waterfield, mason - as he was brought up by his grandfather did he consider him to be his father? Witnesses were Elizabeth Phillips and Peter Lander (bride's father). Address given as Looe Street, Plymouth
Does this help solve the mystery at all?
Mo
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Often illegitimate children 'invented' a father at time of marriage. It's a bit embarassing when the vicar asks "Father's name?" when the new wife's relatives are all in attendance!
I have now found burials for the WATERFIELDS:
William WATERFIELD Ford Park Cemetery Burials, Section E, Row 5 Loc 6 A/C 1015/2, 4 Jan 1863. Of Lower Batter Street, aged 83.
Elizabeth (Mother) WATERFIELD Ford Park Cemetery Burials, Section E, Row 5 Loc 6 A/C 1015/2, 7 May 1865. Of Lower Batter Street, aged 80.
Mary WATERFIELD (sister of Elizabeth Martin) Ford Park Cemetery Burials, Section E, Row 5 Loc 6 A/C 1015/1, 29 Jun 1856. Of Lower Batter Street aged 39.
Elizabeth WATERFIELD Ford Park Cemetery Burials, Section E, Row 5 Loc 6 A/C 1015/2, 11 Sep 1864. Of Lower Batter Street, aged 45.
I am awaiting a copy of the marriage certificate between Thomas SQUANCE & Elizabeth M. WATERFIELD (1834).
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It will be interesting to see what the marriage certificate says as one of us has certainly gone off at a tangent - easily done. Perhaps we will then be able to work out one Elizabeth from the other one.
I hadn't realised there were so many Waterfields in Plymouth. My mother was one, originally from Millbrook but later Devonport.
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Correction - it won't be a certificate (my mistake) but 'hopefully' a apraish register entry which should include 'condition', abode and witnesses' names. I'm concerned that it might only be a Bishop's Transcript, which won't contain so much information. Fingers crossed.
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Well I've now received the Bishop's Transcript entry for Thomas SQUANCE & Elizabeth Margaret WATERFIELD. Unfortunately no clues other than his father was a witness. Anyone know of an ELizabeth Margaret WATERFIELD born 1811-1816?
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Hi
That cleared up that mystery.
Mo
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Maybe for you - it created one for me ! ::)
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Problem solved! Elizabeth was baptised in Jersey, 17 Oct 1813, dau of John WATERFIELD & his wife Susanna SHERWILL. They had 6 other children that I know of, and 3 of their daughters married SQUANCEs!
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Hooray!!
Sorting out who married who and had which children should keep you occupied for a while!
Mo
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Done! I also now have details of WATERFIELD baptisms, marriages & burials from the OPC for Tavistock if it helps anyone.
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Yes please! Most of the Tavistock Waterfield family seem to be mine so anything you have would be appreciated.
Mo
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OK, give me specifics and I'll pull them up for you.
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Hi
I seem to have most of the burials for my Waterfields, but I am missing a few baptisms (although I suspect they are on the IGI). I'm looking for baptisms for
James Martin Waterfield b1842
William b1746
Tobias b1705
Tobias b1685
Tobias b1662
Tobias b1627 if you are able to help at all.
Many thanks
Mo
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James Martin W - only have baptisms up to 1839 for Tavistock.
William W 16 Mar 1746 son of Tobias & Elinor
Tobias W 12Dec 1705 son of Tobias & Mary (IGI)
Tobias W 6 Feb 1685 son of Tobias & Philadelphia (IGI)
Tobias W 26 Oct 1662 son of Tobias & Agnes (IGI)
Hi
I seem to have most of the burials for my Waterfields, but I am missing a few baptisms (although I suspect they are on the IGI). I'm looking for baptisms for
James Martin Waterfield b1842
William b1746
Tobias b1705
Tobias b1685
Tobias b1662
Tobias b1627 if you are able to help at all.
Many thanks
Mo
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Thank you - that fills a few more gaps.
Mo
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hi all,
well gain you have all been busy , so glad the squances mystery has been solved ::) just have to add the others to the tree now mo and thats gonna take how long ha ha ha !!!!
krissy :-*
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Hi,just been reading your posts re the above. I have been researching the northey family in Tavistock. Here goes - I have been trying to find the ancestors of mygtgtgt grandmother Elizabeth northey born to John northey in 1833. I have wondered about were John was in 1841 and 1851 census and the fact that Elizabeth appears to be displaced at other addresses in these two census. I have just discover that Mary northey nee ferris ,a widow,married Robert waterfield in 1835.according to the 1851 census they had children together but Elizabeth isn't there.can anyone shed in light in this? Elizabeth married John Blake in 1851,there could also be a connection with the doidge family,but thats not definite.thanks
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Hi Elaine
i have Mary Ferris/Northey in my tree. I have 7 Waterfield children for them, but no Elizabeth Northey, I'll have a look tomorrow and see if i can find anything out for you.
Mo
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Hi,thanks ,any information would be great.i don't think you will find her.i have just found a death for John northey ,1833 which means that Elizabeth would have been about a year when her dad died.on the weather field/northey marriage ,Mary is down as widow so I'm sure I have right lady,think Elizabeth was brought up other family members.still looking to see if Elizabeth had siblings.i have details on Mary ferris ancestry if you want it.
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Yes i think you have made the right connections and Mary's marriage to John Northey was very short-lived. There is definitely a Doidge connection on the Waterfield line as one of Mary and Robert's children was named John Doidge Waterfield.
Also, in 1901 my great grandfather, James Waterfield had a 7 year old child called Rosina Doidge living with them, but I've yet to find out who she was.
Anything you have on Mary Ferris would be appreciated, thank you.
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Hi,been on sofa all morning trying to sort this lot out!told dog to empty washing machine and make some lunch as I'm not moving until I make some sense of this.heres what I've got so far.
Have eliminated a few Elizabeth northeys and have her living with John and Elizabeth doidge nee yearns in 1841 census. Have no idea what connection she has too them. Have her in 1851 census living with James Richards and his wife betsey nee northey and believe I read somewhere she is their niece. James Richards signed marriage cert later that year.so that's a def.
Also found birth for Elizabeth DOIDGE northey in 1832 daughter of John northey and Mary ferris so there's a dif connection there with water fields but just can't connect northey,water field and DOIDGE. Have Mary ferris ancestry which I will get to you later.theres no doidges showing.
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Back again, checked Rosina in 1901 census, baptism cert shows no parents and is shown as boarder on census.thats another mystery for us .would have expected if she was relation it would have stated that?