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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Lilygirl on Sunday 11 June 06 02:11 BST (UK)
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Hi folks,
I'm looking for details of my Clegg family going to America.
I think I've tracked some down on 1880 census but am not 100% sure.
Few odd names so am hoping they won't be that hard to find!!!!...famous last words I know! LOL
anyway
looking for
George Orrell Clegg chr 1827
Walter Orrell Clegg chr 1835
Egerton Peel Clegg chr 1838
Arthur Wellesley Clegg chr 1840
Their mother was Mary (possibly nee Dawson) She married Robert Bousfield Clegg but he died in 1845.
Can't seem to find them in 1851 in Eng. so not sure if she remarried or what.
Can anyone out there find what happened to them? or if they went to America at some stage??
In 1841 they were in Eccles, Lancashire, England.
Thanks in advance,
Lilygirl.
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Hi Lily Girl
Egerton Peel CLEGG looks like him:
1880 US - Galveston Texas
---------nic? Street
Head: Edgerton P CLEGG age 41 b England of English parents, occ: Hardware Mecht.
Wife: Dedie CLEGG age 28, Keeping House, born Massachusetts of Mass. born parents
Dau: Marion CLEGG age 1and half, born Boston of Mass. mother & Eng father.
Serv: Henrietta JONES age 16, Cook, born Virginia
No Rel stated: William JONES age 29, Laborer, born Boston
Serv: Frances MERRIMAN?, age 13, Nurse, born Texas.
Will now look for him in later Census and Modify this post with additions!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi
Thanks is there any census recorded in America before 1880?
I found that entry online and that's what led me to believe maybe the family went to America because I found a possibility for 2 of his brothers also in different states.
Do you know how I'd go about finding death info and what it would contain??
Would it tell me anything that could help pinpoint him to being the person I want. ie parents names or birthplaces in Eng etc??
Thanks again look forward to hearing more from you soon,
Lilygirl.
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Hi Lily Girl
US Census are available 1790 - 1930
Exception is 1890 which has more or less not survived apart from fragments.
Some Census record very detailed information regarding Immigration year, length of mariage etc, but unlikely to find any thing specific on Census for place of birth other than England. Immigration records might help there - but I'll have a good look for that too.
Which brothers in which states do you believe you have found?
Unbelievably - there is an Edgerton CLEGG and an Egerton P CLEGG on 1900; neither with right birth year and some funny transcribing cf: one says born 1846 but immigrated 1825, so having a look at both of them! PC a bit slow - hang in there ;D
Cheers
AMBLY
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This is clearly the same man as was in Galveston Texas in 1880.
1900
State of Maine, Penobscot County, Hampden township
Head: Edgerton P CLEGG age 54,
born May 1846, England of English parents; married 22 years,
Year of Immigration to US: 25 (sic) must mean 1825 - but it cannot be right!!!!!)Nr of years in the US: 23 (so arrived ca 1877)
Occupation: Capitalist
Owns own home, Freehold.
Wife: Dedie (C?) CLEGG age 47 b Nov 1852, married 22 years, birthmother of 3 children, all 3 living.
Born Massachusetts of Mass. born parents.
Children:
Dau: Marion (M?) CLEGG age 19, born Oct 1880 in Mass, of mass mother & English father, At School.
Dau: Gertrude (O?) CLEGG age 17,born Dec 1882 in Texas of Mass mother & English father, At School
Dau: Beatrice E CLEGG age 17 born Mar 1883 in Texas of Mass mother & English father, At School
Don't you love Edgerton's occupation !
This enumerator has made some errors in copying the household schedules into his Enumerators book. He has gone back and corrected this family, and I feel still made errors - def. with the girls whom he has born in diff years and months but 3 moths apart! He also has flowery floriushes at end of words, so middle initial of mother & first 2 girls may be a flourish or may be as I have put.
Gertrude originally down as age 18, then changed to 17.
Marion originally down as 20, changed to 19.
Dedie originally down as 18, changed to 47!
Possibly this is why Edgerton also has a funny immigration year!
I think I read someplace that some of the info on the Census we get to see, is a result of the Enumerator copying and doing some Arithmetic - and often they made mistakes.
This is the other Edgerton CLEGG in 1900:
1900 - State of New York, New York County, Manhattan
Boarder: Edgerton CLEGG age 60, Single born Mar 1840 England, of English parents. Occupation: Speculator. Emigrated 1890, in US 10yrs.
In house on Broadway (A2) of a May FERRIER as one of many Boarders.
Speculator, Capitalist..........but for the Immigration years - I'd wonder if this were same man.....possibly a comedic or sour wife in Maine, while he was on business in NY?
IMMIGRATION:
Immigration Record 1859
Departed Liverpool, Arrived New York September 1859 on ship "Africa"
Egerton P CLEGG age 20, Occ; Gent, Currently from: England, Destination: Travelling
A W CLEGG age 21, Occ; Gent, Currently from: England, Destination: Travelling
Immigration Record 1869
Departed Liverpool, Arrived New York on 9 Aug 1869, ship: "City of Antwerp",
Egerton CLEGG age 32, Gent, Currently from US, Destination US.
Immigration Record 1873
Departed Liverpool, and Queenstown, Ireland Arrived New York October 1873 on Ship "Celtic"
Egerton CLEGG (no other details recorded on Manifest except he had "two ----?baggage").
I think this is probably the same man, entering the states on 3 occasions.
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Hi
Edgerton (sic) P. Clegg also appears on 1870 US census
Texas, Galveston county, 3-ward Galveston
CLEGG, Edgerton
Male, White, 32, born England, occup: Hardware dealer
Value of Personal estate: 50,000.
Valerie :)
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Hi this is fascinating stuff!
There's a Walter O Clegg b1834 in New York in 1880.
There's a George Clegg b 1828 in Chester, Pennsylvania in 1880.
Am interested to see if they're linked as brothers of Egerton Peel Clegg.
Is it possible to find when/how they got to America probably all at the same time I'd imagine.
Thanks again for your help so far. I'm so excited.
Lilygirl.
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1870 US census
New York, Kings, Roll 960, Book 1, 20 ward Brooklyn, Page 33
CLEGG, Walter O, b England, 34, male, white, Stationery store
Agusta (sic) 30, b New Jersey, female, white, keeping
house
Emily, 7, female, white, born NY
Mary, 3, female, white, born NY
Valerie
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Hi grub,
Thanks.
There's also another brother Arthur Wellesley Clegg born about 1840 but couldn't find him on 1880 (which was all I had access to)
so if it's not too much trouble can you please look him up too just incase he went to the states as well.
Thanks again, happy hunting.
Lilygirl.
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IMMIGRATION:
E(d)gerton Peel CLEGG - poss as above.
Arthur Wellesley CLEGG
Possibly as A W CLEGG in 1859 with Egerton CLEGG, above.
And again:
Arr 29 Aug 1861 New York, Departed Liverpool, Ship: "Asia"
Mr A W CLEGG age 22, Gent, of England.
;D
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Hi there,
How cool is this!!!!
Does this mean they should be on the 1860 census too then.
Thanks so much I'm gonna go and read this all through my head is still spinning!!!
Can't wait to see what more you can find!
Thanks again!!
Lilygirl.
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Hi Lily Girl
To complete Edgerton's family
You have them in US 1870, 1880, 1900 - above - and now 1910 1920 below.
Cannot locate in 1860. Even though he may have arrived late 1859, he may not have remained in the country at that time and so missed the 1860 Census.
1910: New York State, New York Cty, Manhattan 22nd Ward
Head: Thomas F WINTER age 41
Wife: May WINTERS age 29
Mother in law: Mary C HOPP age 56
Niece: Ellen WINTERS age 25
Roomer: Charles (RULES?) age 35
Roomer John J (CUFF?) age 36
Roomer: Edgerton P CLEGG age 72, born mass of Mass parents, Insurance Agent, married once for 35 yrs.
Roomer (wife) : Delia CLEGG age 60 born Mass of Mass parents, Married once for 35 yrs, birthmother of 3 children, all 3 still living.
Roomer: Gertrude CLEGG age 23, Single, born Mass of mass parents - no occupation.
(1910 Note: Possibly Because their details have been given by the Head of house they are rooming in, it incorrectly states they are US born, therefore no Immigration or naturalisation data is stated)
1920: - State of Massachusetts, Middlesex County, Newton City - Ward 1
17 Maple Avenue
Head: Delia A CLEGG age 69 born Mass of Mass born parents, a Widow, Rented home, no occupation,
Dau: Gertrude CLEGG age 39, single, born Texas of US father & Mass mother, no occupation.
Dau: Beatrice CLEGG age 37, single, born Texas of Eng father & Mass mother, no occupation.
Grandchild: Dorothy H TAYLOR age 8, born New Hampshire of an Oklahoman father & Mass.born mother.
(19820 Note: So now we know eldest daughter Marion who was born in Mass. apparently married a man named TAYLOR from Oklahoma.
And Edgerton died between 1910 and 1920 Census)
1930: - State of Massachusetts, Middlesex County, Newton City - Ward 1
17 Maple Avenue
Head: Delia E CLEGG age 80 born Mass of Mass born parents, a Widow, Rented home, monthly rental value $45.00 (or $450.00?), no occupation,
Dau: Gertrude D CLEGG age 49, single, born Texas of Eng father & Mass mother, no occupation.
Dau: Beatrice E CLEGG age 47, single, born Texas of Eng father & Mass mother, no occupation.
Grandau: Dorothy TAYLOR age 18, single born New York of an Ohio father & Mass.born mother, no occupation
Lodger: Annie L LANATER? age 34, single born Maine of Maine parents, Occ: Teacher Public Sc..
Lodger: Clara L RICE age 50, single, borm Massof mass parents, Occ: Teacher, Public School
Lodger Fanny W T----------? age 77 single, born mass of New Hampshire Father, Connecticut Mother, Occ: none,
Boarder; Gertrude P CASTLE age 36, single, born New York of Mass parents, Occ: Teacher Public School.
(1930Note - for grandau Dorothy, the enumerator has begun to write Oklahoma for her father;s placeofbirth, but crossed it out and wrote Ohio instead).
And....here is prettymuch proof we have the right man:
Headstone transcription :
Massachusetts: Middlesex County, Cambridge, Mt. Auburn Cemetery Record:
Egerton Peel CLEGG Birthdate?, Death date?
Beatrice Egerton CLEGG , birthdate?, deathdate?
Buried with Taylor.
And:
Massachusetts: Middlesex County, Cambridge, Mt. Auburn Cemetery Record
Marion Hancock Clegg TAYLOR , Birthdate?, Death date?
Buried with Clegg
Daughter Marion may have died relatively young since her daughter Dorothy is with her granny from age 8. perhaps it was a childbirth death.
Will keep a-looking for the other siblings of Egerton, but probably not get back until tomorrw ;D
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi,
Very exciting and looking forward to the next installment
Thanks so much
Lilygirl. ;)
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Hi Lily Girl! ;D
Massachusetts: Middlesex County, Cambridge, Mt. Auburn Cemetery Record
As with the other ones found for Egerton, Marion and Beatrice - No birth or death dates.
Delia Hancock Clegg - Buried with Taylor
Varey Dorothy Hancock Taylor - Buried with Clegg
Baby Harold Taylor - Buried with Clegg
Baby Harriet Joan Taylor - Buried with Clegg
Only daughter Gertrude isn't listed in the Cemetery above, but this may be her death record in New York:
Gertrude Clegg - SSN: 033-34-1500 issued Massachusetts 1962
Last Residence: 10583 Scarsdale, Westchester, New York, United States of America
Born: 1 Dec 1880 , Died: Apr 1976
And I think this will be Egerton's wife Delia, before they married:
1870
Massachusetts State, Middlesex County, Newton City:
Post Office: Newton Center
James HANCOCK age 70, no Occupation, born Mass.
Ellen HANCOCK age 56, Housekeeping, born Mass.
Delia HANCOCK age 23, no occupatiopn born Mass
Eliza PYNE age 18, Domestic Servant, born Ireland; both parents of foreign
birth.
1860
Massachusetts State, Suffolk County, Boston City - Ward 10
Post Office: Boston
All born Massachusetts (except Nora)
Head: James S HANCOCK age 60 , (no occupation stated) value of personal estate $1000
Ellen H HANCOCK age 42
Nellie M HANCOCK Age 16
Delia E HANCOCK age 12 b Mass.
Dwight BAYNTON age 23
Ellen C BAYNTON age 23
Elliot BAYNTONage 25 , occupation: Physician
Nora CONNEY age 19 , occupation: Domestic, b Ireland
1850
Massachusetts State, Norfolk County, Roxbury City
Post Office: Boston
James S HANCOCK age 50 b Mass, Occ: None
Ellen HANCOCK age 30 b Mass
Mary E HANCOCK age 6 b Mass
Delia E HANCOCK age 1 and half b Mass
Mary BUTLER age 76 b England,
Thomas HANCOCK age 42 b Mass Occ: None
Mary GLENVIEW? age 18 b Ireland, Occ: Domestic
Patrick CORCORAN? age 50, b Ireland, Occ: Milkman
Catherine CORCORAN? age 45, b Ireland
Mary CORCORAN? age 23 b Ireland
George CORCORAN? age 19 b Ireland, Occ: Laborer
Catherine CORCORAN? age 17 b Ireland
Patrick CORCORAN? age 15 b Ireland
Anna CORCORAN? age 13 b Ireland
Also found these bits:
Galveston, Texas City Directories 1888, 1889
Egerton P. Clegg, Mechanic,15th Galveston
Location 2:r. northwest corner E.
Galveston, Texas City Directories 1890, 1891
Egerton P. Clegg, merchant
Location 2: r. southwest corner avenue P 1/2, 25th
Buffalo, New York Directory, 1890
Name: Egerton F. Clegg, Occupation: insurance
Location 1: room 26 Chapin block
Location 2: b. 52 Niagara square
SO: to clear my spinning head ;D
This means we have found Census
Egerton Peel CLEGG on all Census except UK 1851, US 1860 or UK 1861**, plus burial place
Delia E CLEGG nee HANCOCK on every available Census in her lifetime, plus burial place.
Marion Hancock TAYLOR nee CLEGG on two earliest possible Census 1880 and 1900. Missing 1910*** plus burial place
Gertrude CLEGG on on every available Census in her lifetime, plus probable death record
Beatrice Egerton CLEGG on every available Census in her lifetime except 1910.*** plus burial place
Dorothy Hancock TAYLOR on every available Census in her lifetime. plus possible burial place.
** Egerton 1860 US or UK 1861 census both of which he may have missed if he was not in either place.
***Marion believe she may have died pre 1920. The 1910 Census is currently only indexed by Head of House name, so won't find her (or Beatrice in 1910) unless we know name of Marion's husband. Beatrice may very well be with them in this Census. However the full name index for 1910 is soon to be released.
Cheers
AMBLY
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I was recently shown a leather passport holder with the name Walter Orrell Clegg embossed on the cover. The gentleman travelled from London to Paris from 1855 to 1858. I Googled the name Walter Orrell Clegg, and found a naturalization form filed by him in New York City in 1865. At the time, he lived at 296 Madison Street (not Madison Avenue) in Manhattan.Hope you find this information of interest - Best Wishes, John
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I was recently shown a leather passport holder with the name Walter Orrell Clegg embossed on the cover. The gentleman travelled from London to Paris from 1855 to 1858. I Googled the name Walter Orrell Clegg, and found a naturalization form filed by him in New York City in 1865. At the time, he lived at 296 Madison Street (not Madison Avenue) in Manhattan.Hope you find this information of interest - Best Wishes, John
Hi John,
How fascinating have just seen this post. Thanks so much for sharing. Interested to know where were you shown the passport holder, who it belonged to and how it came about? Small world eh!
Sue
Australia.
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Smaller than you can imagine - I was born and grew up not ten blocks from Master Clegg's Manhattan address! A private investigator of my acquaintance found the booklet in an apartment in Sunset Park in Brooklyn, just over the Brooklyn Bridge from Lower Manhattan where W.O. Clegg lived in 1865. I have no idea how or why it was there after 150 years. The PI knows I am fascinated by old things, and asked if I could research the passport's owner. If you would like, I can send you the actual passport (probably expired, though) and some other old items found along with it. At any rate, I will try sending some photos of the booklet to this website.
Best Wishes, John
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Way down in this thread is a W.O.Clegg in the New York City census of 1870, age 34, born in England, and residing in the borough of Brooklyn - must be him, explaining(?) his papers being found there
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Hi there,
Am interested to know if you still have the photos of the passport?
How fascinating.
He was my 1st cousin 5 times removed!
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I still have Master Clegg's embossed leather passport holder and two books of his here in front of me, tucked safely into a large plastic Ziplok bag. I am trying to insert photos of them into this reply, but without much success - I will keep at it, though, and I will certainly hold onto them. Wish me luck, I will figure this "insert image" thing out eventually .This is all I get for now:
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You can't add images on the lookup requests board, so I will move this thread to the US board.
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Thanks, I THINK I attached a .jpeg of the front cover
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Better image of front cover