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Does anybody have this surname FINNIS on there Family Tree in Deal Kent?
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Hi,
I dont know how much help I can be, but we may be able to help each other, perhaps.
I have John HOLYMAN who married Mary FINNIS in 1775 in Deal KENT.
At marriage, Mary was a minor, and daughter of Wm F.
There was a William FINNIS who may have been her father, who was buried 7 Apr 1829, at Buckland, aged 77.
John and Mary HOLYMAN had a least one child, William, who married Sarah GREENWAY, but died in 1827.
Sarah's second marriage was to John DOLBEY, in Dover, KENT.
John and Sarah DOLBEY emigrated to Tasmania, Australia, in 1836.
I am descended from this couple.
I hope this is of help and interest to you.
Love to know anything more.
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The Finnis surname has no connection with my family tree, but thank you for contacting me. Ann
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First time on Rootschat, posted a message in the wrong way, now trying to do it properly!
There were several Finnis branches in Deal. This is mine.
My great great grandfather was Ingram Bromley Finnis b abt 1827 to John Finnis and Mildred Susanna Middleton.There were other children,John Belsey Finnis b abt 1821,Ann b abt 1824,Susanna b abt 1830 and Sarah b abt 1835. My great grandfather was John Belsey Finnis b1852 to Ingram and Julia Margaret Marsh b abt 1832.
Have you any connections with any of these?
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Hi finnis finder,
sorry, I dont know of any connection.
regards
Lulu777
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Hi Moors
Don't know what your particular interest is with the FINNIS name in Deal, but there are a number of threads relating to this surname on the KFHS Deal Branch message board:
http://pub40.bravenet.com/forum/3389053142/1
Regards, Bill
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Hello Bill,found the KFHS message board with Finnis interests. Found somebody from my branch of the family. Don't know if it will be of any interest to Moors.
See that you list Marsh as of interest. My great great grandmother was Julia Margaret Marsh b abt 1832 in Deal. She married Ingram Bromley Finnis in 1851. Her granddaughter, my granny Charlotte Julia Marsh b1881 married William George Marsh b1879 in Great Mongeham. Don't know if the two families have a connection-yet!
Regards Finnis finder.
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Hi Finnis finder
Welcome to RootsChat.
I'm glad you made a contact through my board.
There is a very remote possibility that your MARSH family may be connected but, as MARSH was the most common name in East Kent in the 19th century (40 families listed in Dover alone in the 1880s!) I don't hold out much hope! I gave up that line at my gt gt grandfather when I found a possible baptism for him in almost every parish I checked!!
My ancestor was Henry Marsh who married Mary Golder.
Regards, Bill
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Hello Bill,it's certainly easier to find Finnis' than Marshes. The other family name I'm interested in is Spratling. Have loads on them, mainly due to other people who have been researching for a long time.
The Marshes from my family are from Deal, Woodnesborough, Eastry, Goodnestone, Gt Mongeham and Sandwich.
My grandad's father was Charles Henry b1857, Woodesborough, married Emma Gambrill in 1878. They lived at Gt Mongeham and were in Sandwich by 1901.Charles' father was William b in Eastry 1823 and married Rachael Cox (possibly!) in1847.
My gt gt grandmother Julia Margaret was the daughter of Henry Marsh of Deal,b 1801 married to (possibly) Mary Ann Woodruff in 1825.I think she died and he remarried Elizabeth Collard in1836. Julia's older brother William took responsibility for the younger children because Elizabeth died 1851 and Henry 1853. William was a Customs Officer and by 1901 was retired and living at 15 Clarendon Rd, Dover.I hope that I have "found" the correct Marshes!
A question when you put a message on the KFHS forum does the person it is intended for get an e-mail notifying them that there has been something posted there?
Thanks for your help, regards Finnisfinder
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Hi Finnis finder
I hope you have got the correct MARSHes too - you seem to have done pretty well! :D
I can't see any lines that connect with mine. :(
If they have ticked the box to be notified, the person concerned will get a message to say that a reply has been posted.
Regards, Bill
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Good Morning,
This is my first message on this site and hope we may be of use to each other.
I have a John Finnis born East Langdon 1722 and lived and died in Deal as did his wife Elizabeth nee Wilmot. Their children were all born in Deal, Robert, Elizabeth, Susanna, Anne, Wilmot and Mary. Wilmot married Susanna Brice, 1779 Deal.
I have more but hope this is enough for the moment.
Regards
Andrew
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Just in case anyone is interested, I live in a house in East Langdon where a number of Finnis families lived during the 1800's. If anyone would like a photo let me know and I would be more than happy to email one. (the house was previously 2 cottages, one belonged to the blacksmith the other the wheelwright). The house was apparently built in around 1750.
Best wishes,
Blue
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We really must get together and sort out these BEER connections, Blue - after all, we're practically neighbours!
Regards, Bill
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Hi Bill,
Good to hear from you, I haven't done a lot of research on my Beer ancestors, I know they come from the Whitstable/Seasalter area. My great great grandmother moved to the Folkestone area when she married Edward Flisher back in 1877.
Are you in Deal?
Regards,
Blue
PS - my neighbours also share the Beer name, and my husbands neighbour when he lived on a farm in Bridge was a Mummery, small world isn't it. ;)
Apologies to the Finnis's for hijacking their thread.
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A long time since the message was posted!
Thanks Lulu for the information about Mary Finnis and John Holyman marriage. Have finally discovered that she is an ancestor of mine.
Her parents were William Finnis and Martha Wells of Deal. William was born 1725 in Deal.
Do you know anything of William son of Mary and John Holyman? Do you have his birth date?
Thanks Finnisfinder.
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William Finnis most likely born East Langdon in 1725, brother of John Finnis born 1722 East Langdon. As posted earlier John married Elizabeth Wilmott.
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Hi,
There is a fabulous photograph of a Fireman Finnis in full uniform and another one of him in a group Fire Engine shot (well it is horse drawn) on p95 of Photographs of Deal collected by June Broady. Pub by Alan Sutton.1989
Caption “A medal was awarded to him for gallant service at Cullens fire.”
I have a scanned copy but not sure if allowed to post a copy here. No first name or year but think it is from the Deal Maritime Museum.
Regards, Marie
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Hi Marie
No, you wouldn't be allowed to post the picture on here (copyright) ;)
Casalguidi :)
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Thanks Marie, going to try and get a copy of the book. Have heard about it before, hope it's still in print.
Finnisfinder.
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Here are the full details of the book - it is no longer in print, but you may find one on eBay or one of the second-hand book sites.
Regards, Bill
Broady, June, 1989. Deal in Old Photographs. Pub: Allan Sutton. ISBN: 0-86299-675-9
A collection of old photographs of Deal, mainly drawn from the Will Honey Collection in Deal's Maritime and Local History Museum, with brief descriptions by June Broady.
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Check out this link: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kent-Old-Deal-in-Old-Photographs_W0QQitemZ250238398503QQihZ015QQcategoryZ274QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - I think this is probably the same book.
Bill
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Hi and thanks casalguidi.
And Bill749 how stupid I feel ( I am a librarian and I should know better!).
I wrote that up from memory and just found my book.
Yes, mine is the Broady, June, 1989, Deal in Old Photographs. (Gloucester, Alan Sutton), 99. ISBN 0862996759
Brown cover with pic of lifeboatman on the cover.
I got mine in Deal 11 years ago from a little bookshop on a corner in the town.
There were lots of others and I should have bought all the different titles...I have only 4 books on Deal...but who was to know I would become a bit obsessed with Deal all these years later.
Thanks for that link Bill749- why is it I always forget about ebay? I have now ordered this other one...they seem to have a few in stock. Even including postage, that is really, really cheap compared to Aussie prices.
And your link went eventually to another site with a long list of books I thought weren't available.
Finnisfinder...have sent you an email.
Cheers, Marie
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Hello Bill and Marie, I checked out the e-bay link. I think it's a different book, "Pocket Photographs/Images of Deal." It had a different ISBN number. There are some used copies on Amazon of the 1989 edition.
Please Bill are you able to do a look up of baptisms of children of John Roberts b 1751 Deal and Susannah Finnis b 1752 in Deal? They were married 1772 in Deal. I'm assuming they had children!
Thanks Finnisfinder.
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No problem - will have a look next time I'm in the library
Bill
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Hi again,
Finnisfinder, I was just looking in that Old Bailey online service (I have only found it today but it has obviously been around for ages).
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/forms/formMain.jsp
I was looking for a Dewell and Marsh but there is also 10 listings for Finnis. Maybe you will find that lifeboatman who did ill to his wife.
Are there any such online services for courts in Kent? Cheers, marie
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Hi Marie, tried the Old Bailey web site, it's very slow. Think it's been added to and available from yesterday.
Never thought I might have ancestors with criminal records!
I made a mistake, the photo of the lifeboat crew was in a book by Beryl Foley Fisher called "Bygone Deal and Walmer"
The chap who attacked his wife got taken to the Lunatic Asylum. He was suffering from dementia and epilepsy. Was just looking at the notes I have, seems he was a Bathing Machine Proprietor. His estate amounted to £43.
Are there photos of bathing machines at Deal in June Broady's book?
Maggie.
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i have a william james finnis who married annie lousia blown in 1901 they moved to strood. any connections?
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I have decided that the person I was tracing a John Brown living in 1841 census Modest Corner Southborough whos wife was Sarah might be the Sarah Finnis from Deal their (M) was 1833, but have come to the conclusion that it was than likely Sarah Gasson he (M) in 1834 Tonbridge, as she was (B) in Tonbridge and so was John Brown. Thank you to everbody.
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Hi All!
I've come to this thread late whilst browsing and have no Finnis connections [other than being acquainted with some living Finnis's].
However, I think that I recall seeing a small display of medals and letters relating to 'Fireman Finnis' in the wonderful 'Spitfire and Hurricane Memorial' museum at Manston in East Kent?
Tony
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Thanks Tony for your message.
Contacted the Museum but they said they didn't have the letters, medal. Wondered if you'd seen them at the Manston Fire Museum, which I suppose must be on the same site. So will e mail them.
I know you can't put details on here but would be interested in the family history of the Finnises you know. Mine come from Sandwich, Deal, East Langdon areas in Kent.
Finnisfinder.
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Hi Everyone
We have an Ann FINNIS married a William WOOD 14 MAY 1772 St Mary Virgin, Dover, Kent, England
They had a son William born in Dover 25 March 1773.
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Could be Ann, b 1751, daughter of Robert Finnis b 1728 and Ann Wood. She might have married her cousin William.
Regards Finnisfinder.
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That is what we have, had not thought of the cousin connection will need to look closer now.
Thanks Finnisfinder
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Hi Folks
On my Punnett family tree I have Alfred Cecil Punnett marrying Rose M Finnis in the Oct Q 1926, Elham area.
To Blue
I see that you have several of the same surnames from Folkestone that married into the Punnett family, I also have
Arthur Francis Punnett who married Bearrice M Ovenden in the Elham area Apr Q 1922.
There is a great book, Yesterday's Country Village written by Henry Buckton, it contains a photo of a Carnival Float depicting the village of Bridge from the 1935 Silver Jubilee with a picture of Ernest Ovenden standing by the float. Wonder if he was a relation of yours?
Regards Heather
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My wife has a GGGGGAunt in her tree with the name Elizabeth FINNIS Lilliott, and occasionally the name FINNIS appears thereafter as a middle name like this. Elizabeth was baptised in Westerham in January 1776.
E F Lilliott's parents were Thomas Lilliott and Elizabeth Manktelow (or Manklow) and they were married in Westerham in February 1774.
Does this lot ring any bells with anyone with FINNIS connections?
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You may find useful information at www.finnistree.co.uk.
Regards.
Tony Finnis
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Hi finnisfinder.
I know very little about my family tree. I know my uncle (who I never met) did a full research into the history and traced back many years.
I am son of Keith Finnis (1961) and his mother was Cynthia Finnis (1923) but couldn't say what my grandad was called.
Maybe you could help!? We are all from Kent area ...
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There were lots of Finnises around the East Langdon, Dover, Deal areas, also Maidstone I believe. Where in Kent do you come from?
You might find some clues in the messages posted on this topic.
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Hi there. I'm only recently into FINNIS finding and looking at the FINNIS, WILMOT and BRICE connections as they link to the CANNEYS of Deal. Is the Susanna Finnis who married John Roberts the daughter of John Finnis [1722] and Elizabeth Wilmot [1721]? Special thanks to "Oldpsycho" for listing the siblings of Wilmot Finnis, the father-in-law of my Edward Canney.
And thanks to "Blue" for offering photos of the wheelwrights, &c. in East Langdon. :) They would be much appreciated. Email for private messages to be supplied. Thanks, Trueman987
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I think Susannah daughter of John and Elizabeth was born in 1758 and married William Neame in 1776.
I made the mistake of thinking a Susannah Finnis had married John Roberts in 1772. Somebody checked the registers for me, found Susannah Finnis had married Richard Roberts 26th Nov 1772, witnesses were Elizabeth Wells and John Roberts. This Susannah was the daughter of William Finnis and Martha Wells
She found the marriage of Susannah and William. The name John Roberts appeared in the registers in 1774 and 1776 but not married to a Finnis.
Hope this is helpful?
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Yes, thankyou; I appreciate all your hard work and helpfulness. Exploring the Finnis family connections is new territory for me but quite rewarding. >:( Thanks again, Trueman987.
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I am parochial church secretary for St Pancras in Coldred.
In our church yard we have a tomb listing over 6 Finnis family members, for example
“to the memorial of
Ann Finnis,
she died 5th October 1819,
Aged 79
AII????”
The tomb is sadly in very poor condition and we would be interested to find if any living members of the family would be interested in helping us maintain the tomb as our small congregation of 19 do well, with the help of village volunteers, to maintain the essentials of the building and grounds.
I would be happy to send some photos of the tomb and more detail if you are interested.
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Hi,
thank you for your email.
I am researching Finnis as it is a middle name of a half sister of an ancestor.
I have no direct relationship with any Finnis family that I am aware of
All the best with your endeavours to preserve the historical item
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Hi,
In reference to the postings by lulu777 (7/8/06) and finnisfinder (20/4/08), I am researching the same family for one of my friends. However, I have discrepancies with some of your information.
I can tell you that William Holyman, son of Mary Finnis and John Holyman, was born in 1776 and christened at St. Mary the Virgin, Dover, Kent.
According to the IGI, William married Sarah Williams (not Greenway) in 1821 at Walmer, Kent. This now confuses me, as the name Greenway appears in one of their children. As far as I am aware, their issue were: Wilhelmina Elizabeth 1821; Caroline Finnis 1823; Georgiana Mary Greenway 1825; and Mary Anne 1827, all born Kent.
I understood that William and Sarah and their family then travelled to Tasmania, where they had a son William in 1833 in Devonport. Yet you say that William die in 1827 and Sarah remarried Dolbey??
Can you put me straight on this? I have other information on this family and would be happy to exchange it.
Cheers,
AEnone.
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I haven't got any further than birth of William Holyman so can't help with his family.
I looked on IGI Record Search Pilot, Marriage of Mary and John 7th November 1775, birth of William 15th November 1776, baptised 1st December 1776.
As you say marriage of William to Sarah Williams 1821 Walmer, but two dates given, 10th/27th June.
Then Georgiana Mary "Granway" Holyman baptised 2nd March 1825 Walmer.
Perhap Greenway was a family name, not found it on the Finnis side.
Have you done any other web searches for the Greenway family?
Sorry, can't be any more help.
Finnisfinder.
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Hi finnisfinder,
Thanks for your reply - not much further ahead tho'. Unless John Holyman became Holman (birth 1752 Wickhambreaux, kent) I can't find any Holyman names before he married Mary Finnis in 1775.
I see that Finnis line back to 1704 and the various spellings. Can't find any Green(a)way link to either Finnis or Holyman. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
It recently took me 43 years to find a missing relative's death here in Australia so I am never surprised at brick walls.....neither am I prepared to give up!!!!
Cheers,
AEnone.
PS Wonder if you are related to Ralph??
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Found on IGI Record Search Pilot
John Holyman baptised 16th December 1750 Deal. Parents John Holyman and Eleanor.
Do you think this is the correct one?
Don't know Ralph!
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
Thanks for that - it sounds just about right. I work at a disadvantage at times because the IGI is sketchy at least and sometimes downright wrong! Human error I guess. That birth is not listed on it, btw.
Sorry, I was being flippant when I asked you about Ralph...I was refering to Ralph Fiennes, the English actor ("The Duchess" with Keira Knightly and other films), as I had noticed the spelling of Finnis varies greatly and at times includes Fiennes!
I know that one should always consult primary records but my friend is not much interested in going back a LONG way as the certificates become rather expensive. Many thanks for your help. Cheers,
AEnone.
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I realise this topic is quite old, but I'm hoping at least one person may see my reply. I am searching for the Finnis family and they are proving quite illusive!!!
Does anyone have any information on a George Albert Finnis who died in May 1960 and is buried in Biddenden in Kent? Anything would be appreciated. As of yet that is the only information I have about the Finnis side of my family and do not know where to start!
Many thanks
Julia x
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Was on line so did a search.
Have you seen? Burials in Parish of Biddenden Kent 1877-1992.
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I did see that he is buried there. Thank you. But that is as far as I have got!! Any ideas how I could find uot who his parents were or anything?
xx
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Did you see the names of other Finnises buried there?
Don't know if this is of any use or if it is the right people.
George Albert Finnis d 1960 Harrow Reg District ref 5f 378 aged 44.
Found birth of G A Finnis Q2 1915 Bermondsey Reg District ref 1d 431. Mother's maiden name Dewhurst.
Marriage of G A Finnis Q4 1939 St Olave Reg District ref 1d 332 to Annie L Silk.
Ada Finnis d 1957 Ashford Reg District 5b 38 aged 69
Darren George Finnis b Q2 1968 Ashford Reg District 5f 10, d 1968 Canterbury Reg District 5f 112.
There was also a Thomas Finnis d 1935 buried there, husband of Ada?
Was George Albert their son?
Might be a starting point!
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They could be his parents! If I'm honest I hadn't even thought of that!!! Do you know how I'd now go about finding out if they are infact his parents? Do you think the church records would have that?
Thank you so much! Did you find out all that on google or elsewhere?
xx
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I think George Albert (buried in Biddenden) married a Dorothy. She married a few times and had the sernames Pain, Moore, Jump and Finnis! She's a hard person to track down!!! lol
x
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You've got quite a search on.
You can try on Freebmd to find the earlier marriages for Thomas and Ada. George's mother's maiden name was Dewhurst, you can approx work out when she might have been born.
I don't think I can put on here any sites that need a subscription, the moderator casn help there but I could possibly send a personal message.
The is somewhere on here about the rules for posting so need to look at that.
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hi my wife has a henry finnis born in hythe kent about 1812, don't know if this is near deal. he married a mary ann (dawdy) callow and we beleive she was from great yarmouth norfolk.
any information on henry finnis would be a big help as we are stuck on him.
thanks john
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Hi, I have just picked up the Finnis thread and my great great grandparents are George H Finnis 1831 and Catherine/Kate Finnis 1830. They are From Maidstone and Detling and had alot of children! If anyone has any earlier links I would be very grateful!
Thank u
:)
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Can't find Henry Finnis b 1812 but know there were Finnises in Hythe, sorry can't help.
How about Thomas Finnis b abt 1805 Allington Maidstone and Catherine Usher for George's parents? Catherine b abt 1803 Loose nr Maidstone.
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I think now that I was wrong about George Albert Finnis' parents being a Thomas and Ada (despite this Thomas and Ada being in the same graveyard!) I now have been directed to a Philip and Constance Finnis. It just so happens that her maiden name was Dewhurst too! However I cannot find where these two are buried!
Anyone got these 2 particular names in their tree by any chance?
Thanks again!
Julia x
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Hi, Thank you, Thomas and Catherine are very likely to be George Henry's parents!
I have a Henry Finnis but he was born 1866.
I dont have a Constance or Phillip in my tree at the moment as I dont have any links with the Deal Finnis's ...at the moment!
Any Maidstone Finnis's out there?!
;D
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There are a few FINNIS entries in Kelly's Directory 1934 for Maidstone
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cjb/
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Thank you...thats really interesting as we knew dads family were all part of Maidstone's business history...!
:)
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Found Henry Finnis b 1812 Hythe on 1851 Census in Limehouse, can't read name of street.
Do you have this?
With wife Mary Ann, daughters Elizabeth and Mary Ann, son William. Henry a clerk.
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Hello everyone. I have just joined Rootschat and this is my first post.
I have in my records several Finnis families in Deal. At first glance Willmot & Susanna FINNIS had 13 children 1782-1802. John and Mercy had 2. William & Jane, John & Sarah, John & Mildred, Philip & Sarah all had children 1805-1821.
I haven't listed the children as they may be of no interest but let me know if you need them.
The Finnis' are an old Deal family and there are quite a lot of them, but nowhere near as many as Marsh, the biggest family of all.
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hi my wife has a Henry finnis or Henry Betsy finnis born in hythe Kent about 1810, I don't know if this is near deal. he married a Mary Ann (dawdy) callow in 1837 at shadwell middlesex. and we believe Mary was from great yarmouth norfolk. we have them as having 3 children, Elizabeth 1844 and William Henry 1845 born St George In The East, shadwell, Middlesex, and Mary Ann born poplar middlesex.
any information on Henry finnis or his children would be a big help as we are stuck on him.
also any information of Henry's parents, i have that his father was a William finnis and his mother Jane. i have no date of births or place of births or his mothers maiden name.
maybe they are from the Kent area as Henry Betsy was born in hythe Kent
thanks john
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Think I have found Henry on my tree! Henry Belsey Finnis father William Finnis, mother Jane Dawe. Will post another message tomorrow when I have looked through some more notes.
Finnisfinder.
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To AJ100, I have two Marsh lines in my family, would be interested to know what you have.
JOHNYP, this from Kent Parish Records, Family Search and what was passed onto me by a Finnis family member.
John Finnis baptized 25th April 1759, died 1824, buried 17th July 1824 St George's Deal.
He married Mercy Belsey daughter of John Belsey, Yeoman of Northbourne 25th February 1785 Deal. John was a butcher.
I have Mercy baptised 16th Feb 1752 St Leonard's Deal, but this needs checking.
From then on Belsey was used as a second name for all the John Finnis' to come plus for other family members.
John and Mercy had two sons.
John Belsey Finnis 1786-1852 my line
William 1788. Baptized 23rd February 1788 St Leonard's Deal.
William m Jane Dawe (Dawes) but can't find a marriage date.
They had 4 children,
Henry Belsey Finnis 1810-1855 a gatehouse keeper at West India docks Limehouse.
The thing that puzzles me is Hythe as birth/baptism place, can't link that with Jane or William. The three daughters were
Ann Belsey Finnis 1811-1821 bap 1st Jan 1812 bur St George's Deal 16th April 1821 of Beach St.
Jane Mercy Finnis 1814 bap 12th June 1814 Deal
Elizabeth Dawe Finnis 1817 bap 30th July 1817 Deal.
William was recorded as baker of Oak St Deal on baptism records.
Jane possibly died 1834. Record of St George's shows a Jane Finnis buried 18th March of Beach St.
Found in Pigot's directory 1839 a William Finnis baker of 109 Beach St Deal. He wasn't listed in the Bagshaw's of 1847.
Hope this helps.
Finnisfinder
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hello finnisfinder
thanks for the information.
below is a copy of the 1851 cencus that i have it says henry's wife as maris ann, I think this should be mary ann. I have a marriage certificate for the duaghter elizabeth she married hugh o'connor 1866 greenwich her father on the certificate was henry finnis a superintendent at E india docks. unless i have the wrong henry finnis it shows his birthplace as hythe kent.
thanks john
London 1851 Census Transcript (1851) 7 Batson Street Limehouse, Middlesex
Surname Forename Age Relation Occupation Birth Place
Finnis Henry 39 Head Clerk Hythe, Kent
Finnis Maris Ann 33 Wife Yarmouth, Norfolk
Finnis Elizabeth 7 Daur Scholar St George, Middlesex
Finnis William 6 Son At Home St George, Middlesex
Finnis Mary Ann 2 Daur At Home Poplar, Middlesex
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I'm sure you have the correct Henry but I can't explain why the record shows him born in Hythe.
I have searched again on Family Search for William and Jane's marriage because that might be a clue as to why it seems Henry was baptised in Hythe.
The Parish Records definitely show William's daughters baptised in Deal. The Hythe record shows that Henry's parents were William and Jane.
I have also found my gt gt grandfather's name being transcribed as John Betsy Finnis so Henry is certainly meant to be Henry Belsey.
There must be someone out there who can help us?!
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To finnisfinder
You asked about the Marsh family in Deal. The Marsh's are an enormous family - can you give any names or dates as a starting point?
AJ
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Here goes AJ!
My grandmother Julia Charlotte Finnis b 1880 Sandwich Kent
John Belsey Finnis b 1852 Sandwich
Ingram Bromley Finnis b 1826 Deal married Julia Margaret Marsh b 1832 Deal
Julia Margaret's father was Henry Marsh b 1799 Deal m Mary Ann Woodruff.
Father of Henry, William Marsh b 1768? Deal? Married Ann Bailey Long.
My grandfather William George Marsh 1879 Great Mongeham Kent married Julia Finnis.
Father of WG was Charles Henry Marsh b 1856 Woodnesborough Kent.
William Marsh b 1823 Eastry Kent.
I'm pretty sure that William's father was George William Marsh b 1799 Barham Kent. George's father was James b 1746 Barham.
I've wondered if these two Marsh lines are connected.
Finnisfinder
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hello finnisfinder
would these be your decendants
William FINNIS
1725 -
Life History
1725
Born in Kent England
(most likely)
about 1727
Born in Denton, Kent, England
(less likely)
about 1755
Birth of son William FINNIS
1759
Birth of son John FINNIS in Deal, Kent
about 1760
Birth of son Thomas FINNIS
about 1765
Birth of son William FINNIS
Other facts
Married Martha WELLS
thanks john
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hi finnisfinder
found this site below on the internet with a lot of finnis family on. go to index of names under f you'll find the finnis families
john
http://www.peterdriver.net/index.html
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Hello finnisfinder
Attempting to send an A4 tree. Have cut it in half to see what happens.
Aj
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Yippee, it worked. Her's the other half
AJ
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hello aj100
this what i have found mildred middleton not marsh - thanks john
John Belsey FINNIS
1786 - 1852
Life History
1786
Born in Deal Kent
1810
Birth of son William FINNIS in Deal Kent
1811
Birth of daughter Mildred FINNIS in Deal Kent
1813
Birth of son John FINNIS in Deal Kent
1815
Birth of son Thomas FINNIS in Deal Kent
1816
Death of son Thomas FINNIS in Deal Kent
1817
Death of son John FINNIS in Deal, Kent.
1821
Birth of son Ingram FINNIS in Deal Kent
1821
Birth of son John FINNIS in Deal Kent
1821
Death of son Ingram FINNIS in Deal Kent
1824
Birth of daughter Ann Mercy FINNIS in Deal Kent
1826
Birth of son Ingram FINNIS in Deal Kent
1830
Birth of daughter Susan FINNIS in Deal Kent
1835
Birth of daughter Sarah FINNIS in Deal, Kent.
30th Mar 1851
Recorded in census in Deal Kent.1
1852
Died in Deal, Kent
Other facts
Married Mildred MIDDLETON
Sources
1. Kent Family History Society-CD Rom 1851 Census Deal Kent
(primary evidence)
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Thank you John
Is the Mildred Middleton you mention the mother of Ingram, etc? Wife of John Belsey Finns?
AJ
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Thanks John and AJ for all the info.
Ingram Bromley married Julia Margaret 15.12.1851 in Deal. Ingram was a butcher. They moved to Sandwich, my gt grandfather John Belsey Finnis was born 20th July 1852. He married Ann Spratling b 1857 in Sandwich on 11th November 1877 at The IndependentChapel, Cattle Market, Sandwich.
If you go to the Open Sandwich web site, it is about the town of Sandwich, you will find under History, transcriptions of memorials in St Clement's churchyard. There are two for the Finnis family. On a visit there found the deaths of two of Ingram and Julia's sons which were on the front of the parent's headstone. These two sons' deaths haven't been transcribed. It was by accident I came across this grave.
Finnisfinder
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hello all
yes mildred Susanna middleton married john belsey finnis
in deal Kent 28 Th April 1810 as per the family search site.
they did have a son Ingram bromley finnis born 1821. I believe Ingram married Julia marsh.
for finnisfinder i also found a marrage for a john finnis born 1821 and mercy belsey possable birth 1768 coldred Kent the marrage was in northbourne Kent on the 1st march 1785.
these were on the site of the latterday saints or family search site.
thanks john
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Ingram born 1821 was one of twins. He died 1821. Ingram born 1826 married Julia Margaret Marsh.
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for AEone
hello
i'm interested in the post about the marriage of william holyman to sarah (greenaway) or (williams)
i have that william holyman and his wife sarah had a son named william holyman born 1795 dover.
could it be the son that married sarah williams in 1821 in walmer.
the children that you listed i have managed to find 3
Wilhelmina Elizabeth Holyman 1821 St. Mary, Dover, Kent, England
Georgiana Mary Granway Holyman 1825 Walmer, Kent, England please note (granway not greenway)
Mary Ann Hollyman 1827 Deal, Kent, England
I also understand that william died in 1827 and that sarah married again to john dolbey about 1830
they migrated to tasmania in 1836, I understand that they had 4 more children edward thomas 1831
alice elizabeth 1833, william henry 1835 and sarah jane 1838.
does this fit in with any of your findings, and do you have any further information about this.
thanks john
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Hi
can anyone help me with Elizabeth Finis born approx 1874 possibly in maidstone, parents were George and Catherine/Kate please?
Delyss
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1881 living 37 Peel St Maidstone
Elizabeth aged 7
George 50 Bricklayer's Labourer.
Catherine 51
Thomas 17
Henry 12
Charlotte 10
George 4
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for AEone
hello
i'm interested in the post about the marriage of william holyman to sarah (greenaway) or (williams)
i have that william holyman and his wife sarah had a son named william holyman born 1795 dover.
could it be the son that married sarah williams in 1821 in walmer.
the children that you listed i have managed to find 3
Wilhelmina Elizabeth Holyman 1821 St. Mary, Dover, Kent, England
Georgiana Mary Granway Holyman 1825 Walmer, Kent, England please note (granway not greenway)
Mary Ann Hollyman 1827 Deal, Kent, England
I also understand that william died in 1827 and that sarah married again to john dolbey about 1830
they migrated to tasmania in 1836, I understand that they had 4 more children edward thomas 1831
alice elizabeth 1833, william henry 1835 and sarah jane 1838.
does this fit in with any of your findings, and do you have any further information about this.
thanks john
Hello John
Can confirm from Parish Records that William Holyman married married Sarah Williams at St Mary's church, Walmer on 27th Jun 1821. Both were listed as being of that Parish. Unusually, witnesses were not recorded.
Georginna (sic) Mary Gurney HOLYMAN was baptised 2/3/1825 to William & Sara at St Mary's, Walmer, he being a Schoolmaster.
Mary Ann HOLLYMAN was baptised 2/9/1827 to Wailliam & Sara at St Leonard's Church, Deal, Labourer of Beach Street.
Hope this is a help
Regards
AJ
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Another bit of Holyman family.
John & Mary Holyman had three children baptised at St George's
15/11/1795 Luezer (constructive spelling of Louisa?)
15/7/1798 Harriet
1/1/1801 Edward
AJ
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Hello, Finnisfinder
I am recording the inhabitants of Deal & Walmer and list below those Finnis' you may find relevant, if you haven't got the info already. The dates are taken from Parish records and are of Baptism not Birth.
Children of John Belsey FINNIS & Mildred of Oak Street and Middle Street, Mariner recorded at St George's Church, Deal
5/8/1810 William Henry FINNIS
13/10/1811 Mildred Barber FINNIS
10/11/1813 John Middleton FINNIS
3/11/1815 Thomas James FINNIS
21/4/1821 Ingram Bromley FINNIS
21/4/1821 John Belsey FINNIS
25/6/1824 Ann Mercer FINNIS
21/4/1826 Ingram Bromley FINNIS
11/2/1829 Susanna FINNIS
Marriages
2/4/1839 William Henry FINNIS, Cordwainer of Oak Street to Mary Selth NORRIS of Farrier Street d/o Edward Smith NORIS, Waterman
4/2/1847 John Belsey FINNIS, Flyman of Middle Street to Mary Ann KEMP of Nelson Street, d/o Thomas KEMP, Labourer
15/12/1851 Ingram Bromley FINNIS, Butcher of Oak Street to Julia MARSH of Beach Street
Also had a look at Julia MARSH. The only contender (Julia wasn't a popular name among the Marsh's) is 16/3/1832 Julia Margaret MARSH, d/o Henry & Mary Afnn MARSH, Painter of Broad Street.
Hope this helps
Regards
AJ
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Thanks AJ.
Firstly, Julia Margaret Marsh is the correct one, daughter of Henry Marsh and Mary Ann Woodruff. Ingram and Julia had a daughter also called Julia Margaret b 1852 d 1931 in Monmouth. The name Julia was passed onto my Granny, I'm Margaret.
You've now got me thinking about Mary Selth Norris, her mother was Mary Selth. There was a family of that name in Deal. Henry Marsh's sister Mary Ann married Christopher Thomas Selth b 1813 in Deal. In fact Ingram and Julia's youngest daughter was Mary Ann Selth Finnis.
I have the Finnis baptisms but also have Sarah Finnis b 1835 Deal died 1863 Deal but with no baptism. I've wondered if she was the
daughter of Mildred Barber Finnis born before her marriage to Henry Pearson in 1833. I have Sarah Mercy Mildred Finnis baptised
7th January 1835 Canterbury. The name Mercy comes from Mercy Belsey who married John Finnis in 1785 Deal. All John Finnis'
took Belsey as their second name.
Just recently have been finding marriages within different lines, not cousins but a bit more complicated.
Maggie
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I have a mystery lady, Lila Margaret Webb or Lila Margaret Finnis. She was possibly known as well as Margaret Lila.
She was likely to have been the daughter of Mary Ann Selth Finnis b 1871 in Sandwich who married William James Webb in 1901 Lewisham RD.
Lila M Finnis married William Stafford Dalgety Q4 1928 Paddington RD ref 1a 192. A Lila Margaret Dalgety died 1979 Richmond upon Thames. Death index showed dob as 24th March 1905. Also recorded as Margaret Lila.
I have searched birth indexes, using Lilian instead of Lila but have not found anything, mainly concentrating on London area.
Question is why did she use Finnis surname on her marriage record?
I'm sure that I am searching for the correct person because her name came up in a letter concerning the Finnis family.
Any ideas?!
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1901 census
RG13/557 folio 50 page 27
19 North Terrace, Fairlawn Park, Lewisham
William J WEBB head married age 27 Groom born Kilburn
Mary WEBB wife married age 25 Cook born Sandwich
Albert E W FINNIS son age 4mth born Lee
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So it looks like Albert was illegitimate. I wonder if the middle name W stands for WEBB ???
But Lila/Margaret was born after the couple married so should have been a WEBB. ???
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Thanks Bearkat. It is a puzzle!
Albert was named Albert Edward after an uncle who died at an early age and William after who I think was his father, William Webb.
As you say Albert illegitimate.
Ten years later Albert, now Albert Webb is with his aunt in Broadstairs. Don't know where Mary Ann and William were with their
daughter Lila Margaret and their second daughter born 1906.
At some point Albert reverted to the surname Finnis, which he kept for the rest of his life. His sister b 1906 was obviously called
Webb, name shown on her marriage record.
Perhaps Lila Margaret fancied the Finnis surname rather than Webb?
I think I need to get Lila's marriage certificate, might answer a few questions.
I have checked births for Webb and Finnis to see if I can find Lila's birth record but drawn a blank. just come to me that she could
have been named Julia after her grandmother, will take a look.
Thanks again
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Progress has been made, found birth dates for both sisters of Albert Edward. Also came across baptism record for Lila, named as Lily
Margaret Amy baptised 28th May 1902 St Augustine Paddington.
Once I get a marriage certificate for Lila will know if Lila and Lily are the same person.
Thanks for your help Bearkat.
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Mystery not entirely solved.
Marriage certificate states: 22nd November 1928 at Paddington Register Office, William Stafford Dalgety 23 yrs art student, 7 Upper
Porchester St, father Charles Gonnerman Dalgety ( Independent Means) and Lila Margaret Finnis 23 yrs 20 Clifton Rd, father William
James Finnis ( Hotel Manager.)
If Lily and Lila are the same person why was her father's name not recorded as Webb?
The only evidence I have is a letter saying that Lily Margaret married a Dalgety.
Puzzling!
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I can only think of a couple of reasons why her father has changed his surname
Perhaps he had something to hide?
Or a condition of inheritance to carry on the FINNIS surname
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Will never know bearkat! Thanks for your help.
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I am still looking for Finnis information, especially...........
William Finnis born 1788 Deal, son of John Finnis and Mercy Belsey.
He married Jane Dawe but don't have a date, probably Deal, also his date of death. most likely Deal too..
Have not found death of Mercy Finnis.
Can anyone help please?
Happy New Year!
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Hello finnisfinder
Happy New Year.
William Finnis was baptised 30/4/1788 at St George's church, Deal, son of John & Mercy. He had an elder brother John Belsey Finnis, baptised 10/5/1786.
William married Jane around 1811 but research is ongoing and was a Baker in Oak Street, Deal. Haven't yet found burials for either.
Regards
AJ
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Have checked the Hamilton Road records and he does not appear to be buried there.
Bill
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Thanks for looking Bill.
Have hit a real brickwall with this family.
Finnisfinder
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John Finnis' marriage to Mercy is not recorded in Deal or Walmer PR's implying that either he was married before he came here or he married in Mercy's parish. Likewise no marriage recorded for William circa 1811 - also out of parish. Further research has not found Mercy's burial, either.
Sorry cannot be of more help
AJ
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I have John Finnis, bachelor, butcher of Deal married Mercy Belsey of Northbourne, daughter of John Belsey yeoman, at Northbourne 25th February 1785 at Northbourne.
As you say AJ William's marriage out of Deal parish is most likely.
Thanks for your help.
Finnisfinder
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Still haven't solved marriage of William and Jane Dawe but have now found Henry Belsey Finnis born about 1810 died 1855,
possibly son of William and Jane.
Unfortunately didn't make a note of the source!
Any ideas AJ?
Thanks
Finnisfinder
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Henry Belsey Finnis not recorded as baptised in Deal but William and Jane, Baker of Oak Street, had 3 children baptised at St George's.
1/1/1812 Ann Belsey Finnis
12/1/1814 Jane Mercy Finnis
30/7/1817 Elizabeth Dawe Finnis
Am still researching and will keep a look-out for earlier Finnis marriages.
Regards
AJ
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Seems Henry Belsey Finnis has been found. There is a thread Henry Finnis of Hythe Kent posted by JOHNYP, last reply 16th March.
Parents are William and Jane, so that ties in.
Must check out their marriage, possibly Hythe.
Finnisfinder
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AJ
Thought you'd be interested in this.
London Death and Burial Records Elizabeth Daw Finnis buried 24th September 1844 St Pancras Parish Chapel, Pancras, London.
Freebmd d Q3 1844 Camden 1 244
Finnisfinder
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Very kind, finnisfinder. Apreciate the thought. She was only 27 when she died and obviously never married.
Kind regards
AJ
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AJ
Hoping you might have something in your records re William Henry Finnis born 1810, son of John Belsey Finnis and Mildred Susannah Middleton.
You gave me his marriage to Mary Selth (or was it Seath, seen it recorded as that) Norris in 1839, his occupation cordwainer. Mary Finnis died in 1847 Freebmd Q3 1847 5 81
William on 1851 Census is at 39 Middle St Deal, Beer Shop Keeper, also there Mary's parents, Edward and Mary Norris. Edward recorded as father in law
1861 Census William still in Middle St, same occupation.
1871/1881 Census in Duke St, cordwainer wife Elizabeth born 1818 Walmer. Cannot find a marriage record.
Haven't found anything on 1891 census so his death between 1881-1891? Nothing on Freebmd.
Wondered if you could help again please?
Finnisfinder
If you need any Marsh family information have that connection with the Finnis family as mentioned previously!
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Finnisfinder
Mary Seath FINNIS died 29/8/1847 aged 34 and was buried at St Leonard's. The name Seath was the earlier spelling of Selth - they are the same family.
Children of John & Mildred FINNIS, Mariner, Middle Street, Oak Street by 1824
5/8/1810 William Henry FINNIS 21/4/1821 John Belsey FINNIS m Ann KEMP 4/2/1847, died 18/2/1865
13/10/1811 Mildred Barber FINNIS 25/4/1824 Ann Mercer FINNIS
10/10/1813 John Middleton FINNIS died 15/12/1817 21/4/1826 Ingram Bromley FINNIS m Julia Margaret MARSH 15/12/1851
3/10/1815 Thomas James FINNIS died 30/3/1816 11/2/1829 Susanna FINNIS
21/4/1821 Ingram Bromley FINNIS died 15/9/1821
Unable to trace second marriage of William to Elizabeth - nothing recorded in Walmer records
Regards
AJ
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Thanks for that AJ.
I think I have gone as far as I can with William Henry b 1810.
I'm now looking at Mildred Barber Finnis b 1811. The elusive person on this line is Sarah Mercy Mildred Pearson d/o Mildred Finnis.
I have Sarah's marriage Q3 1863 Canterbury 2a 949 to Samuel Dixon but then nothing more on the census or anything else for
that matter.
So if there is anyone who has her on their line I would love to know!
It was interesting to read AJ about the Selth/Seath name.
Ingram Bromley Finnis' youngest daughter was named Mary Ann Selth Finnis. Could not find any reason for Selth in her name until I found her great aunt Mary Ann Marsh of Deal 1805-1889 married Christopher Thomas Selth also of Deal 1813-1899. Marriage Q2 1840 Eastry R D
Regards
Finnisfinder
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Hello, Finnisfinder,
Can't be much helps as it appears all the people you are searching for moved out of the area.
There are no children recorded as baptised for Sara & Samuel Dixon or fro Christopher Selth & Mary Marsh.
I looked in Deal, Walmer and Shiolden records. All I found was the marriage of Mary Ann.
St Leonard's 14 July 1840 Christopher Thomas SELTH, Ironmonger of Beach Street, s/o Zachariah SELTH, Publican
to Mary Ann MARSH of Silver Street, d/o William MARSH, Mariner
Witnesses: William Bailey MARSH, Jane Lang MARSH, Mary Ann SELTH
Sorry can't be more help
Regards
AJ
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I have only birth of Sarah Finnis 1835 Deal, daughter of John Belsey Finnis and Mildred Susannah and her death in 1863 in Deal.
Can't find baptism so hoping someone might be able to help please.
Finnisfinder
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Hi Finnisfinder
Can find no record of Sarah FINNIS baptised in Deal, Walmer or Sholden to John & Mildred.
Their other offspring are listed below, all baptised at St George's.
John & Mildred FINNIS, Mariner of Lower Street, later Oak Street
5/8/1810 William Henry FINNIS Cordwainer of Oak Street married Mary Selth NORRIS of Farrier Street 2/4/1839 at St Leonard's
13/10/1811 Mildred Barber FINNIS
10/11/1813 John Middleton FINNIS died 15/12/1817
3/11/1815 Thomas James FINNIS died 30/3/1816
21/4/1821 Ingram Bromley FINNIS died 5/9/1821
21/4/1821 John Belsey FINNIS Flyman of Middle Street married Mary Ann KEMP of Nelson Street 4/2/1847 at St Leonard's
25/6/1824 Ann Mercer FINNIS
21/4/1826 Ingram Bromley FINNIS Butcher of Oak Street married Julia Margaret MARSH of Beach Street 15/12/1851
11/2/1829 Susanna FINNIS
Burials:
21/3/1852 John FINNIS Wood Yard aged 67 buried at St Leonard's
23/2/1868 Mildred FINNIS Wood Yard 80 St George's
18/2/1865 John Belsey FINNIS Beach Street St George's
27/6/1901 Mary Ann FINNIS Farrier Street St George's
24/2/1863 Sarah FINNIS Farrier Street 74
Regards
AJ
Beach Street
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I think I have "found" Sarah Finnis.
1841 Census Wood Yard Deal John Finnis mariner, Mildred his wife, Sarah Finnis born 1835 aged 6
1851 Census Beach St Deal, Sarah Pearson 16 born abt 1835, niece. With John Belsey Finnis b 1821, uncle.
A Sarah Pearson baptised 7th January 1835 Canterbury. So Sarah Finnis daughter of Mildred Barber Finnis 1811-1894?
After a lot of searching came across this from Kent P Rs
Marriage of John Marshall of Barham widower and Mercy Finniss of Northbourne widow at Northbourne 24th December 1830.
Mercy widow of John Finnis 1759-1824?
Might well have solved these frustrating gaps!
Regards
Finnisfinder
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Just realised, made a mistake, Sarah Mercy Mildred Pearson bap 7th Jan 1835 at Deal not Canterbury.
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Quite right, finnisfinder, Sarah Mercy Mildred PEARSON was baptised at St George's 7 Jan 1835 d/o Henry & Mildred PEARSON, Grocer of Oak Street.
Can't find a marriage between Pearson & Finnis in this area. Strikes me as odd that no Finnis ever had the middle name of Pearson.
AJ
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Morning AJ
Found marriage of Mildred Finnis to Henry Pearson 14th February 1833 Canterbury.
Along with Sarah, daughters Mercy Ann b 1836, Ann Elizabeth b 1845.
Son John Finnis Pearson 1840-1842.
Mercy married a Charles Lamberton and Annie was unmarried. No Finnis/Pearson name handed down through Mercy's children.
Finnisfinder
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Thanks for that, finnisfinder.
As far as I can see, Henry Pearson didn't stay long in Deal. He wasn't baptised here and only had the one child Sara before moving, as you say, to Canterbury. There was another Pearson family, a Waterman in Walmer, don't know if there's a connection.
Regards
AJ
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Think I might have filled a gap. I've found the burial of a William Finnis 19th April 1782, Parish Church, Deal. I'm wondering if this is the William born 1725 who married Martha Wells in 1751 Deal. I have the marriage of his daughter Sarah to Boulding Hook in 1784.
Sarah is a minor, her guardian is John Finnis.
Is it likely that her brother John born 1759 could be her guardian? Or did it have to be somebody older?
Any ideas please.
Finnisfinder
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I'm not sure of the legal requirements of a guardian, I always thought it was one appointed by the parent regardless of age but that's only my belief. If it's right, then there's no reson John souldn't have been Guardian to Sarah, a minor in those days at 19 but not by today's laws.
Your William could well be the one. He was buried at St George's 19/4/1782 aged 62 and buried in the family vault. That would make his date of birth around 1720, though ages were decidedly elastic then. There is no burial for a Martha Finnis but there is an entry for 'Mother Finnis' on 24/2/1799 aged 76. That would make her birth date also around 1820 and a candidate for William's wife Martha.
Regards
AJ
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I have been very fortunate to have received loads of help on here to fill Finnis "gaps."
However still more to do!
I have marriage of Mercy Finnis to John Marshall of Barham 24th Dec 1830 at Northbourne.
Mercy does not seem to be on 1841 Census. John is there, occupation, butcher Barham.
So........ Mercy died between 1830/31-1841? This could have been at Barham. Northbourne, or even Deal where she had lived with her family of John Finnis.
Any ideas? I've wondered if she could have been recorded as Mary instead of Mercy, might be a long shot.
Would appreciate help.
Finnisfinder.
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After a lot of searching and a lot of help I have seen copies of baptism/marriage certificates for Mercy Belsey who married John Finnis in 1785 in Northbourne and in January 1831 married John Marshall at Northbourne. John Finnis having died in Deal in 1824.
Mercy was baptised 24th January 1768 St Augustine Northbourne daughter of John Belsey and Ann Woodruffe. This might fill a gap in someone else's records.
But as you know, you never stop searching. I am still searching for the date of Mercy's death. I have found John Marshall on 1841 census in Barham Has just come to me that Mercy might have been recorded elsewhere, that is worth a look!
Finnisfinder
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Are there any records for the late 1700s that indicate where someone may have lived?
The town is Deal. John Finnis was a butcher born in 1759 I know that he was an apprentice to Martin Child 1774 and John in turn had an apprentice James Iggulden 1788. On the Apprentice records I am not sure if it means date starting or date when apprenticeship will end.
I would love to know where John lived and worked. Are there possibly any early trade directories?
Finnisfinder
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Hello finnisfinder.
Have you considered contacting the public library in Deal? They may also have other resources that may be of help.
http://www.kent.gov.uk/KCC.Libraries.Web.Sites.Public/LibraryDetails.aspx?aid=0&lid=28&uprn=100062285653
PB
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Thanks polarbear, will do that.
Have you seen Here's History Kent? There are images of early maps of Deal. It's possible Deal
Library might have copies.
Finnisfinder
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Still trying to tie up some loose ends.
Susannah Finnis born 1752 Deal, daughter of William Finnis and Martha Wells married Richard Roberts in 1772.They had a son William Finnis Roberts 1775-1836.
I have been unable to find date of Susannah's death.
Can anyone help please?
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There have been many replies and viewings since this topic was started in 2006. They have been very helpful.
There is one thing that I still puzzle over and it is, what is the origin of the surname Finnis?
Often an explanation starts " this is an unusual name."
I have wondered about a number of possibilities, Huguenot, Walloon or possibly Norman French.
Does anyone have any ideas about this name?
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There have been many replies and viewings since this topic was started in 2006. They have been very helpful.
There is one thing that I still puzzle over and it is, what is the origin of the surname Finnis?
Often an explanation starts " this is an unusual name."
I have wondered about a number of possibilities, Huguenot, Walloon or possibly Norman French.
Does anyone have any ideas about this name?
In case you haven't seen it
http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/finnis
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Thank you, yes I have seen that site.
I have a copy of a will for George Finnis dated 4th June 1729. George was a carpenter of Marten
( Martin?) in the parish of East Langdon. Interestingly Finnis is spelt with what appears to be two
fs at the start of the name. style of handwriting I suppose.
Also found online from Medieval and Tudor Kent wills at Lambeth, the name written as Finnes,
Fynyns and Finnis dated 2nd July 1589.
It would be interesting to know when the Finnises arrived in Kent
Finnisfinder.
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Have a look at the wills Maureen Rawson's website
http://www.kentarchaeology.ac/ekwills_a/series/ekp_p1/ekp_p1n_fa.html
http://www.kentarchaeology.ac/ekwills_a/series/ekp_p2/ekp_p2n_f.htm
A Henry FINIS was in Dover in 1638. Is FENYS a variant? That would take the name back to 1555 in Canterbury.
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Belated thanks bearkat.
Had a trip to Australia Dec/Jan. Finnises get everywhere. Finnis river in the Northern Territory!
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Finnisfinder,
I saw at the beginning you are decended from Ingram Bromley Finnis. You probably have the information by now but if not, I have a fairly comprehensive list of Finnis' taken from church records with baptism dates, marriages, etc. of Deal, Walmer and surrounding parishes.
If I can be of any help do let me know.
Regards
AJ
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Thanks AJ, looking through the posts on this topic you have helped me in the past.
I do have a few gaps also others that I can't be sure about.
Here goes William Finnis b Deal 1725, possible death 1782. This death could be a different
William Finnis altogether.
Then children of William b 1725. He had married Martha Wells.
Susannah b 1752 married Richard Roberts 1772. Unable to find her death.
Mary b 1755 married John Holyman. Possible death 1802,not sure of that.
Sarah b 1765 married Boulding Hook 1784, death?
John Finnis b 1759 m Mercy Belsey 1785. Had a son Wiliam b 1788, unable to find death.
William had a daughter Jane Mercy Finnis b 1814, have no trace of her from then on.
I know that Mercy Finnis married secondly John Marshall 1830 but cannot find her death.
Grateful for your help.
Finnisfinder.
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Hello Finnisfinder,
A William Finnis married Martha wells 28/12/1751 at St Leonard's and died/was buried at St George's in Deal 19/4/1782 aged 62 and was buried in his own vault. The age is slightly out for your William born 1725 but ages then were very elastic. This William was not baptised in Deal.
in January 1802 Mary Holeman aged 46 was buried in the Finnis vault. She would not be buried there if she were not a member of the family and the age fits with the Mary that married John Holman.
Difficulty tracking down Mercy. She had one child in Sandwich then disappears. She wasn't buried in Sandwich but a John Finnis was drowned on 29/1/1802 and buried at St Peter's which, if he were her husband, might have prompted her moving or remarrying.
Will keep looking.
Regards
AJ
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Thanks AJ
I think it is the William Finnis I was after. His daughter Sarah b1785 was a minor when she married Bolding Hook in 1784, her guardian being John Finnis, thought he might be her brother.
Mercy Finnis probably ended up in Northbourne as she married John Marshall a butcher of Northbourne.
I haven't "done" any Finnises in Sandwich as my line originated in Deal, Ingram Bromley was the first to live in Sandwich.
I came across something interesting online. Sarah Finnis Hook married John Finnis 21st November 1825 Lee, Kent. Sarah a widow. That would make Sarah about 60. I thought it might be her daughter b 1790 but unlikely as she wouldn't use her maiden name. I'm wondering who this John Finnis was! Have to start looking for a Sarah Finnis Finnis.
Regards
Finnisfinder.
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Hello Finnisfinder,
Came across Mercy's marriage, if you haven't already got it. 5/1/1831 at Northborne John Marshall, Widower of Barham married Mercy Finnis, Widow. Witnesses were Charles Morris and Ann Belsey.
Are you tracing your direct line back or searching for Finnis' in general? I have Finnis details in Deal from 1780-odd (Willmott & Susanna)with others further back on microfiche. Also the Sandwich ones, Ingram and his offspring, both there and in Deal. all are from parish records, so can be taken as near accurate as possible.
Don't know about the ones in Lee as my records don't go that far but there would need to be a convincing link to include anyone that far afield.
If I can be of any more help, please don't hesitate to ask
Kid Regards
AJ
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Thanks AJ, have got the marriage of Mercy to John Marshall.
I am trying to go further back from William 1720/25 but as there is no baptism record it is
difficult
I was told the parents might be William Finnis b abt 1690 and Susannah Rate but no firm
evidence
Finnises seem to have come from East Langdon, Hythe, possibly Walmer.
Coming forward through the generations I do the direct line plus branches through siblings etc.
I haven't found any links with the other Finnis families in Deal, My line has connections with some
other Deal families, Woodruffs, Selths, Marsh, others I can't remember at the moment!
Though I have to admit I do get side tracked sometimes eg with Bolding Hook family connection
with Finnises.
Finnisfinder.
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I've looked at Walmer, Northborne, Bettehanger, Worth, Sutton and St Margaret's and no William Finnis baptised around 1720-25. A William Finnis was married at Walmer to Susanna Rate from East Langdon on 16/5/1718 but no children were baptised there, implying they moved. The date is right to be William's father but otherwise tenuous.
Susanna in the above marriage was noted as being from East Langdon but not William. He had presumably come from somewhere else and settled in Walmer, albeit briefly, and therefore been local.
Regards
AJ
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Thanks again AJ. I had come across William Finnis and Susanna Rate. There is also a generation
earlier a George Finnis married to Hester Troward.
But no certain connection to William 1720/25.
Finnisfinder.
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I have recently come across a John Finnis of Dover, timber merchant, who was "of the 3rd part" in a land sale at Chillenden in 1825. He was not the buyer or seller, but perhaps he had some financial interest in the property. (I'm afraid I didn't read the whole document, which was about a yard square!) I am sure someone on this thread will know of him - did he have any connection with Chillenden?
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I have read about Finnis timber merchants in Dover but don't know how they fit in with all the others in East Kent. Have never come across a Chillenden connection .
I believe there was a road or hill! called Finnis Hill in Dover, that might have something to do with the family.
I have been trying to get to grips with the will of Ann Bromley nee Belsey whose sister Mercy married John Finnis, posted earlier on this topic The will confirms Mercy had married John Marshall but I have never found her death. The will shows that she died before 1841 as Ann describes her as her late sister, so some more searching for her death record.
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Happy New Year!
I have just started going back through the Finnis line to fill in any gaps.
Could anyone help me please with........ death of Susannah Finnis Roberts b 1752 Deal, married Richard Roberts in 1772 Deal. I have found a son William Finnis Roberts b 1775.
I don't know if there were any other children.
Thanks.
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THere were no other children baptised to Richard & Susannah in Deal, Walmer or Sholden other than William Finnis Roberts on 14 Sept 1775. Depending on the date of Susanna's death, could Richard have remarried? There are children for a Richard & Mary nee Renvill after 1777.
Regards
AJ
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Thanks once again AJ. I've found two burials for a Susannah Roberts
29th July 1778 Parish Church Deal, also 6th March 1800 Deal.
Unfortunately didn't note the source so will have to find it, most likely Tyler Index. Also, a baptism for a child of Richard Roberts and wife Elizabeth. I need to check that too.
Regards
Maggie.
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So doesn't look as if Mary Renvill is a contender.
Richard & Elizabeth Roberts had a child Robert batised at St Leonard's, Deal on 10 July 1763. Don't know if this helps.
Regards
AJ
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I'm looking for birth/baptism of John Holyman about 1750 possibly of Deal.
He married Mary Finnis 1775 in Deal. At that time he was of Dover.
Thanks
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John HOLYMAN was baptised at St Leonard's, Deal 16/12/1750, one of 4 children of John & Eleanor HOLYMAN. John, the father, was one of the children of John & Elizabeth HOLYMAN, all baptised at St Leonard's. Names and dates if you would like them.
John was, as you say, married to Mary FINNIS at St Leonards, Deal on 7/11/1775. John was living in the parish of St Mary's, Dover and Mary was a minor, marrying with the permission of her father William. Witnesses were Richard ROBERTS & Jane STRACHAN.
Regards
AJ
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Thanks AJ, came up trumps again!
John and Mary Finnis had a son Finnis Holyman born abt 1784.
I'm having trouble finding out much about him, I think it's a question of mis transcriptions of his
name.
Can you help please?
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Don't think I can. If John was resident in Dover at the time of his marriage, it's likely they went to live there. Therefore his children would have been born there but I don't have Dover's records.
John & Mary did, however, return to Deal as they had 3 children, Edward, Harret & Luezer (but not Finnis) baptised at St George's between 1795 and 1801.
There are no more entries in St Leonard's after the ones in the last post, imlying the whole family moved away.
Sorry can't be more help,
Kind Regards
AJ
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AJ
I have re-read a post you made about Mary's father William's burial; also Mary's burial in the same
vault. This post was March 2014.
Are you able to look through your PRs for the burial of Mary's mother Martha Finnis please?
Thanks
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Looked at St George's where the family seemed to be buried and the only contender for Martha is Mother Finnis buried 24/2/1799. Then Mother was the title given to an elderly widow.
There are chldren of William & Martha buried there:
26/11/1755 William
4/9/1761 Thomas
2/7/1766 William
Hope this is of some help
Regards
AJ
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A long time AJ for replying to the last post, thank you.
I thought I had the Finnis tree complete! But came across George Finnis nothing recorded for him.
It is possible that he was the son of William b abt 1690, George's birth date 1720s-1730s.
Help would be appreciated.
Finnisfinder
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Unable to help at the moment as we have moved to Cornwall and are in temporary accommodation with most of our belongings still in boxes. When we have found somewhere permanent I'll be happy to look if you haven't found the answer by then.
Apologies
AJ
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No need to apologise AJ, you have helped me loads of times previously.
What a lovely county to move to.
My husband's grandmother was born at Tywardreath near St Austell. i have done, alongside someone else, a lot of research into his family lines in Cornwall. Her maiden name was Hambly.
Without checking them all out, some places come to mind, St Cleer, Lanhydrock, Gwennap, Breage
Luxulyan plus others I can't bring to mind at the moment.
Regards
Finnisfinder
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Thanks, finnisfinder, I will be in touch when we have moved and records are unearthed.
regards
AJ
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These might be of interest to anyone researching the FINNIS surname.
Plaques in St. Leonard's Church, Hythe, Kent.
John Fortescue FINNIS
Lieut. Colonel 53rd Sikhs, F.F.
(Eldest son of Lieut. Colonel John FINNIS)
George Curruthers FINNIS
Third son of Colonel John FINNIS
His wife Emma Elizabeth FINNIS
Elder daughter of Charles FAGG Esq.
Robert FINNIS. Elizabeth his wife.
Ann QUESTED, sister of Elizabeth FINNIS.
Capt. Thomas QUESTED R.M
George FINNIS
Jane Maria, daughter of the above.
Sarah Maria, daughter of the above Robert FINNIS.
To the memory of
Lieut. Stephen FINNIS, of the Bengal Army, died in the East Indies.
His brother Colonel John FINNIS, Bengal Army, killed by the mutineers at Meerut.
Captain Robert FINNIS, killed in the service of his country on board his Majesty's Sloop of War Queen Charlotte, on Lake Erie, Upper Canada.
I have taken photos of these plaques, anyone interested is welcome to copies.
Betty
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Thank you for that. I don't know how this line of Finnises fits into others in East Kent.
I have read about a Thomas Quested Finnis who was Lord Mayor of London. Haven't got the information to hand as I write this.
Regard Finnisfinder.
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Hi BettyofKent - re your post last summer (just seeing it now) and the plaques at St Leonard, Hythe ... I'd be very interested in seeing photographs. This is part of my FINNIS family, although not my direct line.
Regards,
Lesley
Arnprior, Ontario, Canada
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Hi Lesley
I'll send you a private message, we can exchange email addresses & I can send you copies directly.
Betty
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Hi Lesley
I've just sent you 2 emails with 4 photos, if you don't receive them OK, or any problems, do let me know.
Betty
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Hello Lesley. Which Finnis line are you descended from?
Mine are from Deal Kent.
Maggie.
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Hi Maggie. My Robert Finnis married in Dover in 1750 but I've no proof as to where he was born...
Lesley
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Yes I have a Sarah FINNIS marrying Bolding HOOK in 1784 in Deal, Kent. They are one of my 5x great grandparents.
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Hi kimmerz81, welcome to Rootschat :)
I have a Bolden HOOK in my tree, born 1762, Great Mongeham, Kent.
The spelling varies, for example Boulden, Boldin, Boulding., so could well be the same person.
Yes I have a Sarah FINNIS marrying Bolding HOOK in 1784 in Deal, Kent. They are one of my 5x great grandparents.
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Amazing that this topic is still going.
Sarah was sister to my 4xgt grandfather John Finnis 1759-1824.
Their parents were William Finnis and Martha Wells.
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I've just looked at the scan of the marriage register on FindMyPast.
I see one of the witnesses was Boys WANSTALL.
Boys WANSTALL is my great(x4) grandfather.
Boys was married to Bolden's sister Lydia.
So Bolden is my great(x4)great-uncle, & I now have a FINNIS by marriage in my tree ;D
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Thanks John and AJ for all the info.
Ingram Bromley married Julia Margaret 15.12.1851 in Deal. Ingram was a butcher. They moved to Sandwich, my gt grandfather John Belsey Finnis was born 20th July 1852. He married Ann Spratling b 1857 in Sandwich on 11th November 1877 at The IndependentChapel, Cattle Market, Sandwich.
If you go to the Open Sandwich web site, it is about the town of Sandwich, you will find under History, transcriptions of memorials in St Clement's churchyard. There are two for the Finnis family. On a visit there found the deaths of two of Ingram and Julia's sons which were on the front of the parent's headstone. These two sons' deaths haven't been transcribed. It was by accident I came across this grave.
Finnisfinder
Just another thing, I just noticed the SPRATLING in your post and my mum is a SPRATLING and see I have Ingram Bormley Finnis in my tree already as apparently the father-in-law of my first cousin 3 times removed. They are attached to my mum's dad's side. Bolding HOOK and Sarah Finnis are also on mum's side, but on her mum's side. I may be able to connect the two 'bits' up in my tree I guess lol
Kim
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Yep the spelling of Bolding has differed over the different records but I keep it at Bolding as his parents were Thomas HOOK and Martha BOLDING married 30 Sep 1745 • Waltham, St Bartholomew, Kent, England. Record is on Find My Past which I dont have but someone thankfully checked for me. I Googled Bolding's name and this massive FINNIS thread showed up ;D I only got onto the HOOK family after an exhaustive search for my ggg grandfather William SHERWOOD in Australia and his parents listed as William Sherwood and Ann HOOK and there was a whole lot more info on them from there once I cracked that mini brickwall. I didn't have Sarah FINNIS"s parents at all :D
Kim
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Seems as if you, Betty of Kent and myself have a connection!
How does your Mum fit into the Spratling line? Are you in Australia?
Maggie
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Hi Maggie, Yep my Mum born a Spratling in Victoria, Australia. I think, if I have Ann Spratling's lineage right, that John Spratling and Ann Rowe are the common ancestors there. They are my 3x great grandparents through their son Thomas Spratling who came to Australia and married Mary Ann Pledge.
Kim
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I've often hoped I would hear from Australia, of someone descended from Thomas.
When I started doing family history research i did hear from Tony Spratling who then was living quite close to us. Don't know if he is still here. I think he was from Melbourne. However he sent me a copy of Our Southern Lands by Catherine Spratling.
It was great to read the letters sent from UK and back. One I think written by my gt Grandmother Ann.
How much do you know about East Kent and where they lived in Sandwich. I was brought up there.
Are you on Facebook? There is a closed group on there called Nostalgic Sandwich, loads of photos from long ago plus more up to date things.
That would be great if you can connect up Sarah Finnis to the Spratling side. Be interested to know that.
Maggie
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Hi Maggie, Years ago I was in contact with Tony Spratling but has been a while. I also have the Spratling book. My grandparents being Geoffrey Russell Jones Spratling and Lucy May Loft/Candy. I don't know a whole lot about East Kent/Sandwich.
Yes definitely on Facebook daily. I'll add myself to that group.
Sarah Finnis married Bolding Hook. Daughter Ann Bolding Hook married William Sherwood. Son William Sherwood married Emma Rebecca Jacobs (in Australia). Son William Frederick Sherwood married Violet Ethel Brown. Daughter Violet Dorothy May Sherwood married Arthur Ronald Loft. Daughter Lucy married Geoffrey Spratling. Then of course, up from Geoffrey to John and Ann Spratling, and down to your Ann. If that makes any sense lol. Have you done dna by any chance?
Kim
ps. I'm listed in the Spratling book also
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Thanks Kim, there must be quite a clan of Spratlings in Australia descended from Thomas.
No haven't done DNA, often thought about it but never got round to it.
I was looking on FB Nostalgic Sandwich, there is a photo of where the Spatlings lived in Strand St.
But I have a photo of St Thomas's Almshouses where John and Ann Rowe lived nearer the end
of their lives.
Maggie
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John and Ann Rowe? Are they Ann Rowe's parents?
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Sorry, meant John Spratling and Ann Rowe!
Magie
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How gorgeous is that cottage! Still standing even now :D Newly built houses of today have no character whatsoever compared to these old houses
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Kim, a while since we were in touch.
Decided to take a look on here, first time for a long time.
Decided to have dna test, waiting for results. Seems as if the labs are busy.
Are you still researching? I don't do as much these days, other things to do.
Maggie
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8) 8) A long time! Have had DNA done, matches for Spratlings in Australia. Also heve been in touch with Cathy.
Maggie
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Hi
I'm new to these posts but can help with the Susanna Finnis who married Richard Roberts.
Richard Roberts was buried at St Leonards in Sep 1776.
A mge licence was granted by Canterbury 20/06/1778 for a mge of Thomas Mumbray bach age 25 Mariner to Susanna Roberts, widow, both of Deal. Mge St Leonards 21/07/1778
Wits Mary Mumbray, William Finnis.
Children of this mge are
Susanna ch 26/06/1779; Mary ch 21/07/1780;
Sarah Elizabeth ch 5/12/1782;
Martha ch 17/03/1784;
Thomas Peter ch 1/11/1785;
Twins Amy and Elizabeth ch 28/12/1786,
Mary Finnis ch 10/07/1789.
Susanna died Tues 24/10/1826 age 73 at Deal - Kentish Weekly News Fri 27/10/1826.
Buried St Leonards 30/10/1826 age 74 abode Middle Street, Lower Deal.
An interesting connection is that when John Finnis the butcher became bankrupt in 1789 his butchers shop in Beach Street was auctioned at his bro in law Thomas Mumbray's inn - Kentish Gazette 29 September 1789. Thomas Mumbray and his apprentice James Igoulden being his assignees and perhaps his creditors.
Another record is available on Find my past which confirms that 'Mother' Finnis nee Wells was indeed Martha Finnis. The entry is for a burial on exactly the same date 22/02/1799 (one is probably the Bishops Transcript return the other the local church record).
I also favour a William Wells born in 1720 rather than the one in 1727 in Denton.
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Thank you for your post. it has opened up a whole new line.
Do have an interest in the family?
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Hi Maggie, has been a while! What is your username on Ancestry so I can see if I hit on dna with you. Many Spratling descendants have dna tested but whether we all got some shared dna is another question :)
Kim
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oh and GoGen, my records say Susanna Finnis who married Richard Roberts is my 6th great aunt
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GoGen, I am somewhat perturbed. You say that Richard Roberts married Susanna Finnis at St Leonard's on 21/7/78, witnesses Mary Mumbray & William Finnis.
I have produced a booklet of all Finnis' married, baptised and buried in St Margaret's and Deal and have a different date to yours, 26th Nov 1772 with Elizabeth Wells and John Roberts as witnesses.
My info is from the parish records. Where is yours from and have I made a silly mistake?
Kind Regards
AJ
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AJ are you able to give me occupations of Richard and John Roberts please?
Thanks
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Sadly not, Finnisfinder. Records back then only gave the bare essentials - name and date. Occupations weren't recorded until several years later and more information was added as the years went on.
Sorry I couldn't help,
Regards
AJ