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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: Lilygirl on Thursday 22 June 06 02:09 BST (UK)
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Hi
Am wanting to find out when/how Edith Mary Beecroft nee Clegg came to Australia.
I know she married in 1925 Edgar Jerome Henderson but don't know where (would assume might be WA) so maybe can find their marriage details too if possible.
She was in England in 1912 when her husband died at sea as a ships doctor. Article in newspaper on his death mentions him leaving a wife and child in England.
She had a daughter Ruth Beecroft born in 1907 and daughter Margaret Rebecca Beecroft born in 1909 both in Hyde, Cheshire that would have come with her.
She was living and I assume died in Western Australia
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Hi Lilygirl,
Edgar Kerome Henderson died in 1928 aged 67 and is buried in Karrakatta Cemetery in Perth. There is no sign of Edith so she may have remarried.
http://www.wags.org.au This is the West Australian Genealogy Society. Click on links for the cemetery and lot more.
Ros
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Hi Liygirl,
this is you marriage of Edgar Henderson:
HENDERSON EDGAR J PERTH 740 M 1925 BEECROFT EDITH M
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BEECROFT RUTH PERTH 277 F 1929 BALL GEORGE R
Death:
Summary Of Record Information
First Names Last Name Application Number
EDGAR JEROME HENDERSON KB00038331
Names are only recorded in capitals See legend for application code details
Aged (Years) Date of Death Suburb
67 27/12/1928 SUBIACO
Grave Location
KARRAKATTA ROMAN CATHOLIC AA 0052
Cemetery Area or Denomination Section Gravesite
Grant Number Grant Status Expiry
K0000516 EXPIRED UNKNOWN
Could any of the following be Edith Death:
1.
First Names Last Name Application Number
EDITH MABEL HENDERSON KC00147785
Names are only recorded in capitals See legend for application code details
Aged (Years) Date of Death Suburb
87 17/07/2001 KALLAROO
Grave Location
KARRAKATTA RC SECTION LA 0002
Cemetery Area or Denomination Section Gravesite
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First Names Last Name Application Number
EDITH NAOMI HENDERSON KC00033076
Names are only recorded in capitals See legend for application code details
Aged (Years) Date of Death Suburb
78 21/09/1969 APPLECROSS
Grave Location
KARRAKATTA CREMATORIUM ROSE GARDENS 27 0004
Cemetery Area or Denomination Section Gravesite
Hope this help you with your posting.
The site for marriage is :
http://www.openwindows.com/marriage/spouse.asp
the site for Deaths from Western Australia for Karrakatta and district is:
http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php
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Hi Bob,
Thanks for that.
I don't think that's her death but sure if him.
I have a feeling she remarried but not sure why I'm feeling that way?? Will have to hunt further.
It's funny Edgar was an architect, her father was also back in England! wonder if there's some connection there or just coincidence.
Thanks again,
Lilygirl.
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Hi Lily,
Have you had a look here:-
http://www.naa.gov.au/
Good luck with your search,
Magoo
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HI,
I see also on the mcb site [listed above by Ros and Bob] that Ruth Ball, dies 1979 aged 72 is at Karrakatta too. Last address Maylands.
Also there is her husband, George Richard who shares her grave .
There is also shown a George Ahtol BEECROFT Ball died 1995 aged 64 .He is from Leederville. Age, name etc. suggest son of Ruth and George.
Can't find Margaret.
Sue
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This is part of information I got when I googled Edgar's name
"Congregational Hall has a close association with H. S. Trigg, grandson of the founder of the Congregational Church in Western Australia. Congregational Church has a close association with the architect Edgar Jerome Henderson (Criterion 2.3)
In 1906, the size of the congregation had grown to the extent that a Church could be built next door. Congregational Church was built, in 1906, to a design by E. J. Henderson, and expresses Art Nouveau influences in its stained glass windows.
Edgar Jerome Henderson was born in Melbourne, and practised in Victoria where he did some church work: Sale Cathedral (1885) and housing in Moonee Ponds and Essendon. By 1896 he had moved to Western Australia and was working on the Convent School, Highgate (1898) in a partnership style Jefferies and Henderson. By 1904, he is listed in his own practice and designing various commercial and residential buildings"
On National Archives website that Magoo gave is an Edgar Henderson Architect, listed as one of seven Western Australians receiving New Years Honours ( 31 December 1960)
Another relative perhaps....... ;D
Cazay
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Hi there,
Thanks for that. I googled too and came up with the same thing!
Do have to wonder if Edgar architect was son of my Edgar maybe from previous marriage who knows, but I'm sure I will find out eventually with more digging!
Thanks again,
Ciao for now
Lilygirl.
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Hello there
EDGAR JEROME HENDERSON was born 1861 in melbourne to
PETER EDWIN HENDERSON AND BLOND JANE CAROLINE LEBLON
HE MARRIED MARY ONEIL no parents details in 1885
they had the following children
EDGAR LE BLOND born 1890
GILBERT DOWLING 1890
marie kathleen bor nad died 1892
MOYA BORN 1896
VIC LEO BORN 1894
i cant see that anyone else has given you this info if they have sorry to double up
you will see a number of these folks death in wa
it looks like mary died there earlier 1900 s too
the son edgar here could very well be the one on the honours list vic leo lived to be 100!!
regards jenn
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Hi folks,
I've now found that Gilbert Dowling Henderson was the 3rd eldest child and also eldest of the identical twins with Edgar Le Blond. There was biog entry about Gilbert who was a famous dentist I found googling quite interesting stuff!
Need to find eldest 2 brothers guessing born after parents marriage in 1885 and before 1890. Twins were born in Hawthorn, Melb.
Family moved to Western Australia in the late 1890's with 5 children so hoping to find deaths for another one and death date of Marie Kathleen in 1892.
Thanks in advance,
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Hi Lily,
Trying to summarize the content of your 3 threads. Is this correct.
Peter Edwin Henderson m. Blond Leblon
They had children
Edgar Jerome 1861
Marie Caroline 1863
Emily Loisa 1865
Albert 1867
EDGAR jerome m. Mary O,Neil in 1895
They had children
Edgar le blond and Gilbert Dowling [twins] 1890
Mary Kathleen 1892
Vic Leo 1994
Moya 1896
All went to WA.
You think there are 2 older children [you say BROTHERS] before the twins.
In 1925 Edgar Jerome marries Edith Beecroft [Clegg]. Second time for both HE dies 1928 Do you know what happened to Mary O'Neil?
Am I right so far?
I hope we are on the right track to continue your interesting search.
Sue
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Hello there
other two boys born to EDGAR JEROME AND MARY ONEIL
WILLIAM EDGAR BORN 1887 REGNO4678 MELBOURNE died aged 5months 1887 essendon
GEORGE FRANCIS BORN 1888 REG NO 3655 HAWTHORN
unfortunately there are no dates just years
same with mar kathleen who died in 1892
regards jenn
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This is part of information I got when I googled Edgar's name
"Congregational Hall has a close association with H. S. Trigg, grandson of the founder of the Congregational Church in Western Australia. Congregational Church has a close association with the architect Edgar Jerome Henderson (Criterion 2.3)
In 1906, the size of the congregation had grown to the extent that a Church could be built next door. Congregational Church was built, in 1906, to a design by E. J. Henderson, and expresses Art Nouveau influences in its stained glass windows.
Edgar Jerome Henderson was born in Melbourne, and practised in Victoria where he did some church work: Sale Cathedral (1885) and housing in Moonee Ponds and Essendon. By 1896 he had moved to Western Australia and was working on the Convent School, Highgate (1898) in a partnership style Jefferies and Henderson. By 1904, he is listed in his own practice and designing various commercial and residential buildings"
On National Archives website that Magoo gave is an Edgar Henderson Architect, listed as one of seven Western Australians receiving New Years Honours ( 31 December 1960)
Another relative perhaps....... ;D
Cazay
It's intersesting to know that the above names of Trigg and Henderson are both suberbs of Perth - is it possible that there is a link?
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Hi again Lily,
On
hhtp://www.naa.gov.au
I can see al ovely digital copy of George Francis' service hist. It will tell you a lot about him.
S.
PS Other items of nterest there too including digitised copy for Gilbert and reference to Civil honour to Edgar Le Blond and history [not yet online] for Victor.
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Hello there
MARY JOSEPHINE ONEIL BORN 1860 QUEENSCLIFF VICTORIA
PARENTS WILLIAM ONEIL BORN 1828 IRELAND
KATHERINE F DOWLING BORN 1838 IRELAND
DIED 1901 in wa
regards jenn
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Ah, so there is the Dowling for MAJOR Gilbert Dowling Henderson DENTIST.
Sue
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Hello there
also found from the WA indexs on line
that EDGER JEROME HENDERSON MARRIED ESTHER ANN SPEIGHT IN 1905
THERE WAS A STILLBORN CHILD THAT YEAR
AND SHE HAS DIED 1914 AGED 42 they are actually buried next to each other interestingly -- he is in the grave with his first wife mary oneil
so there could be more children? to this marriage
regards jenn
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Hello there
also MOYA DIED 1897 IN WA
regards jenn
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Jenn
Who is in with who again?
The baby and mother or Ed. and Esther ?
I wonder whether the last wife. Edith Beecroft is in the same area too.
Probably she remarried and we will not find her as Lily has hoped.
S
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Jenn
Who is in with who again?
The baby and mother or Ed. and Esther ?
I wonder whether the last wife. Edith Beecroft is in the same area too.
Probably she remarried and we will not find her as Lily has hoped.
S
sorry sue this is getting soooo confusing
now edgar jerome is buried in the same plot as his first wife mary oneil and the next plot is his second wife esther ann
ok are you keeping up with the plot now ?
regards jenn
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That is a very bad pun. Slap Slap.
S.
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That is a very bad pun. Slap Slap.
S.
thought you would like it sue
jenn
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Hello there Lily girl
found this following info not susbstainiated but on worldtrees no actual dates
GILBERT DOWLING MARRIED FRANCIS DENNEHY 1918
children
VAUGHAN
KEVIN
HILLARY
HELEN
PETER
EDGAR MARRIED NELLIE FRANKLIN
children
RICHARD
EDGAR BRIAN
PATRICIA
JOHN KEITH
MARY
GEORGE MARRIED LUCY EVANS 1916
children
MINNITH
ERNEST
VIC LEO MARIED JUANITA GEORGE she lived to be 92 1928
children
JOHN
CATHERINE MOYA
NEIL
GREGORy
YOU WILL FIND QUITE OF FEW OF THESE AT THE KARRATA CEMETERY LISTINGS
regards jenn
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Hello there
also found birth to mary oneil and edgar jerome henderson in
LEEDERVILLE WA 1899
A DAUGHTER MARIE
now she is on the WW2 index and the NAA she served in worldward 2 put she has put her aged down says born 1905 nok edgar
she is also noted on her brother George francis war record as his nok
very interesting his digitalised copy is he was a tropper from the lighthorse wonded in galipolli and awarded a DCM
invalided back to oz
we all certainly have unearthed a very interesting and varied family here Lily
regards jenn
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HI,
Among others of these offspring on the NAA site, I can see a PHILLIP Vaughan Henderson. Right approx birth date and NOK G Henderson. Maybe mistranscribed at one time or the other, but same man
Also Kevin Francis Henderson is there,as in the airforce, but apart from birth date and NOK [ G. Henderson] everyhting is NOT KNOWN. Same for him on WW2 site. It's funny when we seem to know so much of him. Maybe records were lost. Perhaps Lily will send away for details
Sue
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I have Gilbert Dowling Henderson with his parents and brothers living in Mc Court st Leederville 1890something, he was educated at the Christian Brothers College and studied dentistry under drs Bennet and Nathan. he served at Blackboy Hill Perth during ww1 as a medical officer and married Francis Josephine Dennehy in 1918 There is much more about him on this site which I urge you to bookmark for future Oz research
http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/AS10217b.htm
Denn
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By the way here is the congregational hall said to have been built by
E J Henderson, although this site suggests that H S Trigg built it http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/AS10217b.htm either way there must hve been a close assosiation bettween the two men.
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That is fascinating Denn,
Just reading Gilbert's record you can pick up that he was an extraordinary person. He entered 2 wars and was an officer.[NAA]
S.
The photo is beautiful.
hope evryone sees it before the mods whizz it off because of copyright like they did with your lovely Bricksworks pictures in the Colyer story.
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This is part of information I got when I googled Edgar's name
"Congregational Hall has a close association with H. S. Trigg, grandson of the founder of the Congregational Church in Western Australia. Congregational Church has a close association with the architect Edgar Jerome Henderson (Criterion 2.3)
In 1906, the size of the congregation had grown to the extent that a Church could be built next door. Congregational Church was built, in 1906, to a design by E. J. Henderson, and expresses Art Nouveau influences in its stained glass windows.
Edgar Jerome Henderson was born in Melbourne, and practised in Victoria where he did some church work: Sale Cathedral (1885) and housing in Moonee Ponds and Essendon. By 1896 he had moved to Western Australia and was working on the Convent School, Highgate (1898) in a partnership style Jefferies and Henderson. By 1904, he is listed in his own practice and designing various commercial and residential buildings"
On National Archives website that Magoo gave is an Edgar Henderson Architect, listed as one of seven Western Australians receiving New Years Honours ( 31 December 1960)
Another relative perhaps....... ;D
Cazay
It's intersesting to know that the above names of Trigg and Henderson are both suberbs of Perth - is it possible that there is a link?
re the suburbs names i had a look at an interesting site from the lands department that tells you about the names for the suburbs of perth
HENDERSON was named after ADMIRAL REGINALD HENDERSON IN 1973 apprently it is also known as hendersons naval base
TRIGG is they think named after HENRY TRIGG who was the superindentent of works for the colony in 1838 to 1851
regards jenn
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Jenn,
Thanks for that info, I had been thinking that possibly because both names had been prominent families. but thank you for that, and is it possible to let us know the site - PLEEEASE.
Denn
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Jenn,
Thanks for that info, I had been thinking that possibly because both names had been prominent families. but thank you for that, and is it possible to let us know the site - PLEEEASE.
Denn
hi there Denn sorry mate should have thunk that
http://www.perthperth.com/
it is a perth business site
half way down on the right hand site you will see a section for Perth localities
click on to HISTORY OF PERTH SUBURBS
regards jenn
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Hi All,
I LOVE how we grow and learn from our chats. Now there is a new site for our files thanks to Jenn's and Denn's searching.
Sue
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Thanks again Jenn,
That's a handy little site, Especially for us locals. Why don't you put it in "usefull links".
Denn
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Hi everyone,
Yes you've got it Sue I modified those others to completed to avoid more confusion. Thought it easier to start with asking single things in posts but you're right gets too confusing.
Don't know what happened to Mary O'Neil or Edith for that matter really.
I'm in touch with a grand daughter of hers who's yet to get back to me but has mentioned she'll tell me what she can find.
There's a death entry on list in WA for Edith Mary BEECROFT but why would she have gone back to name of her first marriage?? seems a bit strange? - Until I see what's written about where Gilbert is buried with first wife - wonder what went on there??mystery!...talk about intrigue!
There's an age but no date of death for Edith Mary BEECROFT.
Someone in the family gave me death date of 17 Apr 1945 but not sure where???
Thanks again for all your help so far everyone interesting isn't it!!
Also looking for death of Edith Mary Clegg, BEECROFT then HENDERSON's youngest daughter - Margaret Rebecca BEECROFT born 1909 Hyde Cheshire, married Louis Philip JOUBERT not sure when but assume in WA. I know she died before 1980 but again not sure of date or place.
Maybe someone can dig her out!!!!
Would also love to find out when Edith Mary BEECROFT came to Australia - soon after her husband died I suppose in 1912? Any ideas!?
How cool is this stuff!!!!! Wish all my lines were so interesting. Although I have got another line with intrigue in the West! I might post for some help on at some stage!
Gotta love Perth been there few times can't wait to get back again - still got family there and they're unreal!
Happy hunting!
Keep it up!
Lilygirl.
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Hello there
thought I had put this in
MARY HENDERSON DIED 1901 in perth
aged 40 reg no 1360
also there is as an EDITH MARY BEECROFT aged 77 but no death year
on the karratta search site says she was from goomalling? which is little town in wa
perhaps if you contact the cemetry they will give you more info specially if there is a headstone
I dont recall you giving a year when she was born?
THANKS JENN
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Hi Jenn,
Yeah thanks I saw that that's what I was talking about.
She was born in 1867 so I'm sure that's her.
Wonder what she was doing in Goomalling!? and why she called herself BEECROFT again.
Sounds a bit like they must have split up or went back to his previous wife do you think before he died??
Lilygirl.
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Hi Jenn,
Yeah thanks I saw that that's what I was talking about.
She was born in 1867 so I'm sure that's her.
Wonder what she was doing in Goomalling!? and why she called herself BEECROFT again.
Sounds a bit like they must have split up or went back to his previous wife do you think before he died??
Lilygirl.
no his second wife died in 1914
regards jenn
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Hello there lily
found a birth in victoria
LOUIS PHILIPS JOUBERT born 1910 ARMADALE
parents GEORGE ARTHUR JOUBERT and ELSA CHARLOTTE HEYWOOD
but no sign of a marriage or death of eith
regards jenn
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Hi Lily and friends,
On the old favourite NAA, I can see Louis Philip Jobert DOB 1910, NOK Margaret Joubert. Pob, Melbourne. Enlisted Melb.
This file is OPEN meaning if you apply online and wait a while, you can have it digitised for reading.
Also I see Joubert, Numa Ferdinand whose NOK is GEORGE ARTHUR Jourbert. This is fully digitised now.
So he may well be a brother of Louis. The new biographical site [above] introduced to us by Dennford. has a lenghthy article on the Melb. Jouberts. Quite illustrious. I still know a Melb Joubert who is an architect.
It seems there were 8 brothers Joubert.!!
Sue
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Hi Sparett
I looked at applying a while back to have a record digitilised not sure if it was that site or not but didn't really understand what was involved. Do you have to send in form can anyone do it does it cost?
Guess I should have another look they may have made it a bit clearer how to go about it.
DO you have any idea how long it takes?
What site do you mean regarding the jouberts 8 siblings? I can't seem to find it on the biographical one posted. What are you searching with?
Thanks for the suggestion.
Lilygirl.
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Hi Lily
Yes, on the biographical site posted by Denn.
I just used the quick search at the top and put in Joubert.
The biography was about the Jouberts who were active in late 1800's and one of the 2 brothers had 8 sons. The names Jules and NUMA and Dinnier seem to keep recurring through the many listings on the NAA site so there was a relationship in there somewhere.
As to the digitisation.
This is straight forward if the flie is listed OPEN. Just follow the prompts on the screen. No cost Wait up to 6 weeks [but not always so long]
If not examined, there is another process, It does not cost, but you must request through a different set of questions etc. all there on the site.
Please let me know if you have difficulty with either of these 2 leads and I will post more specific links. Sue
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Hello there Lily girl
I checked the naa site inspired by sue
and saw that louis phillip was from
gnowangerup in wa
so checked he ozgenonline
and viola (as the french might say)
burial place of
LOUIS PHILLIP JOUBERT DIED 29/4/1990 aged 80
both have inscription beloved partner of and father/mother
of YVONNE AND PHILLIP
MARGARET REBECCA JOUBERT DIED 28/7/1980 aged 71
regards jenn
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I have just been totally engrossed in the digit. service history of Louis Phillip's brother [I believe!!] Numa Ferdinand.
Apart from an insight into his life -enlisting underage, getting found out , falsifying documents being discilpined for laziness etc. etc. we can also see a letter from the father G.
Now I live not so very far from the Kingston Street mentioned and it is a very 'good part of town'
I love the letterhead that George uses. Tells us his profession and so on.
Intrigue!
S.
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Hi Jenn,
We've both made small slip in our last posts.
I said Louis was enlisted Melb. Wrong. Enlisted Gnowangerup
You said from Gnowangerup. Wrong born Melbourne.
Wish my rellies were as interesting as Lily's
Sue
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I have just been totally engrossed in the digit. service history of Louis Phillip's brother [I believe!!] Numa Ferdinand.
Apart from an insight into his life -enlisting underage, getting found out , falsifying documents being discilpined for laziness etc. etc. we can also see a letter from the father G.
Now I live not so very far from the Kingston Street mentioned and it is a very 'good part of town'
I love the letterhead that George uses. Tells us his profession and so on.
Intrigue!
S.
I also had a look Sue must admit I am a sucker for a digitalised record
side bar to all of this Sue have you also noticed that the men are definately taller than they were back in the Great War most seem around 5'4" or so not many a great deal larger
regards jenn
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Hi Jenn,
We've both made small slip in our last posts.
I said Louis was enlisted Melb. Wrong. Enlisted Gnowangerup
You said from Gnowangerup. Wrong born Melbourne.
Wish my rellies were as interesting as Lily's
Sue
a slip of the pen knew he was born in melbourne just meant he was from there you know he's from there not necessarily born there
regards jen
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Also I see Joubert, Numa Ferdinand whose NOK is GEORGE ARTHUR Jourbert. This is fully digitised now.
So he may well be a brother of Louis.
I think there is another Numa Ferdinand Jourbet but older and born in noumea. V. V. confusing. Sue
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Hi everyone, a very interesting thread on Edgar and Mary.
I realise this dates back to 2006, but is anyone still requires answers I am Edgar's great grand daughter.
Regards,
Alison
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Hi all,
Re: Peter Edwin Henderson and Blond Jane Caroline LeBlon (tropicalj)
and: Peter Edwin Henderson m. Blond Leblon (sparrett)
In the interests of accuracy may I point out that Peter Edwin HENDERSON married Jeanne Louisa Caroline LE BLOND (not Blond Leblon!) who was known as Caroline. They married in Hamilton, Scotland 1848 and emigrated to Australia in 1857. Hope this is of interest.
Regards, Les McIntyre (distant descendant).
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Hi Alison,
I guess that makes you the great great grand-daughter of Peter Henderson and Caroline Le Blond. I am a great great great great grandson of Caroline's parents.
Regards,
Les
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Hi all,
Re: Peter Edwin Henderson and Blond Jane Caroline LeBlon (tropicalj)
and: Peter Edwin Henderson m. Blond Leblon (sparrett)
In the interests of accuracy may I point out that Peter Edwin HENDERSON married Jeanne Louisa Caroline LE BLOND (not Blond Leblon!) who was known as Caroline. They married in Hamilton, Scotland 1848 and emigrated to Australia in 1857. Hope this is of interest.
Regards, Les McIntyre (distant descendant).
Les I would suggest that the chatters helping with the research were transcribing from the indexes and as we all know there are many spelling errors especially of the more unusual names. The thread dates from 2006 ;)
Cheers :)
Cando
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Yes indeed Cando that was the case our information is only as good as the information on the indexes and we can only supply the information as stated.
This is a very helpfull site and I think that the original poster of the Question got a lot of help.
Jenn
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Hopefully anyone stumbling across this old thread (as I did) will find the additional information useful.
Regards,
Les
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Hello Lilygirl
I know this is an old posting so I hope you are still on here! I am the great grand daughter of Edgar Jerome Henderson. His son Edgar Le Blond Henderson was my grandfather. Both these men were architects and died in Western Australia. Edith Beecroft was Edgar Jerome's third wife. My grandfather was a son from his first marriage to Mary Josephine O'Neil. Happy to provide more information.
Annemaree26
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Hi Annemaree26,
WOW fascinating. I started the post 12 years ago lol.
I wil private message you.
Thanks so much.
Lilygirl.