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Title: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Coriolana on Tuesday 10 February 04 12:42 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I'm researching the following names:

ALLAN  from Aberdeen Scotland
Barbara Adia Grant b. abt 1853 Aberdeen.  Immigrated to Australia abt 1857 (Melbourne) with her parents Logie Grant (b. abt 1808 Aberdeen m. 25 Nov 1841 St Nicholas Church Aberdeen) and Barbara Adia Allan b abt 1812 Aberdeen.  Barbara's parents were George Allan and Barbara Eddie.  

BARWICK from Essex, England
William BARRACK m. 24 Jan 1792 in Barnsdon, Essex to Mary Place.  
Their son John BARWICK B. 1792 Sudbury, Suffolk - was tried on 7th March 1808 at the Essex Lent Assizes and given a life sentence.  He was transported to Australia arriving in Sydney on 27th February 1810.

BIRMINGHAM from Tipperary, Ireland
Alice Dwyer b, abt 1833 County Tipperary d. 19 May 1877 Gundagai, NSW, Australia - parents were William Dwyer and Mary Birmingham

BRYANT from London, England
Mary O'Donnell b. abt 1842 London.  Immigrated to Australia (date unknown) and married Duncan McPherson in Sydney on 18 Nov 1873.
Mary's parents were John O'Donnell and Mary Bryant.

BURTON from Lancashire, England
My Burton/Davies line actually went to New Zealand from Lancashire.  I don't have much on them only:  William Burton married Harriet Davies on 10 April 1853 in Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire.  Their daugther Amelia was born in Spain.  I beleive that William was in the Army and may have been stationed at Gibralter - hence Amelia's birth in Spain.  The family then immigrated to NZ.  I have this information thanks to a family researcher in NZ.

CAMERON from Bredalbane, Perthshire, Scotland
John McINTYRE b. 25 Oct 1808, Aberfoyle m. 21 May 1831 in Aberfoyle to Margaret McNEE (aka McVIE).  Both went to Australia after the marriage - date not known.

John's parents were John McINTYRE believed to be born in Colgarten, Perthshire and Margaret SINCLAIR (no further details known)  Margaret's parents believed to be Donald McVIE and Agnes CAMERON - no further details known.

CASSELS
I have this name in Australia and yet to make the UK link, but any information would be appreciated.

CELEY from Somerset, England
Elizabeth Celey (alias Kewer, Sealy and variations) was born in Somerset, England about 1776.  It is believed that Elizabeth's mother was Elizabeth Vicary nee Sealy/Celey who married Robert Vickary in North Curry, 19th February 1786 after the birth of Elizabeth Celey.  

Elizabeth was tried at Somerset on 8/8/1795 for stealing.  She was transported to Australia and arrived on 18th July 1798.  Her mother Elizabeth Vickary was convicted of receiving the goods stolen by her daughter.  Elizabeth Vickary was also convicted and transported to Australia on the same vessel.

As this is a convict line I'm sure that many people have tried to trace it back to England.  To my knowledge there hasn't been much success.  

CUTHBERT from Yorkshire, England
John TINDALL b. 11 Nov 1779, Willitoft, Bubwith m. 2 Dec 1802 at Bubwith to Charlotte THOMPSON.  John was tried for burglary on the 15th July 1809 at York and sentenced to death. The sentence was commuted to transportation for life.  He was transported to Australia on the 'Indian' arriving in 1810.  Charlotte joined him in Australia.  

John's parents are beleived to be John TINDALL b. 6 April 1751 m. 24 Nov 1776 at Bubwith to Frances HAWKINS.  This John's parent's beleived to be Richard TINDALL  and Helen MASTERMAN.  Richard's parents believed to be Thomas TINDALL and Margaret CUTHBERT.  Helen MASTERMAN's parents believed to be William MASTERMAN and Elizabeth LEVANS.

regards
Carol from OZ

Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBER
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Saturday 21 May 05 13:15 BST (UK)
Hi Coriolana,

I have moved your name interests here to the "Emigrants to Australia"  as you will probably find more help here ... and there are a lot more RootsChatters now, than when you originally posted this.

Have you looked in the Surname Interests Table yet ?

There are several other RootsChatter researching BURTON, BRYANT and CAMERON

Good Luck,
Bob
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Coriolana on Saturday 21 May 05 16:06 BST (UK)
thanks Bob  ;D

Carol
Title: Re: CASSELS in Fife
Post by: gene-genie on Monday 01 August 05 18:03 BST (UK)
Hi,

CASSELS are found in Fife Scotland.  I am not connected to it, but here's some misc. info I picked up along the way:

St Peters Episcopal Church Kirkcaldy
Baptisms:
CASSILS  Robert son of James and Christian  born 8 Jan - Baptised 3 Feb 1828.

Inverkeithing Associate Baptisms  1753-1775.

CASSELS  child of James and Mary LESSELS  married  mid- Sept 1765.

Monumental Inscription  East Wymess Churchyard - St Marys by the Sea:

Erected by Robert LOW in memory of his  mother Isbella Cassels who died 11 March 1851 aged 36 years, also his grandparents Robert LOW who died 10 Oct 1825 aged 51, Helen GRAY who died May 16 1848 aged - and Peter who was drowned 22 Nov 1837 aged 26.  Christian DALL wife of Andrew CASSELS who died 2 Dec 1858 aged 72.  Andrew CASSELS died May 10 1877 aged 93.

(might be LAW but I am pretty sure the name is LOW - also common in Scotland)


Hope it helps,
Gene-genie
 :)
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Coriolana on Tuesday 02 August 05 01:30 BST (UK)
Hi,

Thanks for the information :-)

I really need to find out thorugh immigration the date of entry of my Cassels, I have tracked them back to 1846 to a country NSW town.  I don't even know if this person is the first Cassels in Australia (his name is Isaac).

thanks
Carol
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: gene-genie on Tuesday 02 August 05 12:14 BST (UK)
Hi,

One more snippet, several years ago on the Fife Rootsweb Forum there was a Ken Cassels in New Zealand - as you are in that part of the world, maybe you have access to NZ phone book?

If you do contact him - could you pass on my email address as I am in contact with a Cassels/Moodie link in Canada, I think they might be related...Geneaology gets you around the world
(As you might have guessed I live in Fife......)

You can search Fife list from here:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/SCT-FIFE.html

Good Luck! :)
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Coriolana on Friday 02 December 05 15:13 GMT (UK)
Hi,

My Cassels have no link to NZ.  thanks for the info though

Carol
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Anne in OZ on Friday 02 December 05 18:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Coriolana.  I haven't had a lot of time to look through my discs.  I have only looked briefly for Barbara Allen or Grant.  These entries might interest you.  When I have a chance I will look further.
Cheers
Anne in OZ

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: Barbara
Event: D
Spouse Surname/Father: Allan George
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Barbara EDDIE
Age: 55
Sex:
Birth Place: ABER
Death Place:
Year: 1867
Reg Number: 8273
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: George Bannerman
Event: D
Spouse Surname/Father: Loggie
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Barbara ALLAN
Age: 40
Sex:
Birth Place:
Death Place: SANDRIDGE
Year: 1882
Reg Number: 13310
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: Barbara Adia
Event: M
Spouse Surname/Father: DAWSON
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: William James
Age:
Sex: F
Birth Place:
Death Place:
Year: 1876
Reg Number: 3553
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Anne in OZ on Friday 02 December 05 18:08 GMT (UK)
ooppssss, forgot to tell you those entries where from Victoria.
Cheers
Anne in OZ
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Coriolana on Saturday 03 December 05 01:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Anne,

Thanks very much.  I didn't have the one in the middle regarding George Bannerman Grant.  :-)  He had a brother called Charles Will Grant and I have estmated his death as between 1867 and 1891 - I assume in Victoria.  Are you able to find him?  I already have anoher brother Logie Perrie Grant who died in 1921.  I am from their sister's line - Barbara Adia Grant.

Many thanks again

Carol
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Anne in OZ on Saturday 03 December 05 04:15 GMT (UK)
Hi, from memory there where quite a few entries for Logie Perrie Grant but I didn't know if he was yours or not.  I'll try and find them again.
Cheers
Anne in Oz
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Anne in OZ on Saturday 03 December 05 04:30 GMT (UK)
Wondering if this might be your Charles Grant.
It would make his birth approx 1847. Again this is from Victoria.

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: Charles
Event: D
Spouse Surname/Father: Logie
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother:
Age: 26
Sex:
Birth Place: SCOT
Death Place:
Year: 1873
Reg Number: 4992
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Anne in Oz
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Anne in OZ on Saturday 03 December 05 04:48 GMT (UK)
Entries for Logie Perrie Grant. Victoria. Hope they help.
Anne in OZ

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: Logie Peerie
Event: M
Spouse Surname/Father: BOULTON
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jane
Age:
Sex: M
Birth Place: ABERDEEN
Death Place:
Year: 1874
Reg Number: 971
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: Logie Gregory
Event: B
Spouse Surname/Father: Logie Peeble
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jan BOULTON
Age:
Sex:
Birth Place: CAMP
Death Place:
Year: 1885
Reg Number: 8225
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: Logie Gregory
Event: D
Spouse Surname/Father: Logie
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jane BOULTON
Age: 18M
Sex:
Birth Place:
Death Place: CAMPERDOWN
Year: 1887
Reg Number: 725
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: William Peerie
Event: B
Spouse Surname/Father: Logie Peerie
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jane BOULTON
Age:
Sex:
Birth Place: CAMPERDOWN
Death Place:
Year: 1874
Reg Number: 7491R
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:


Surname: GRANT
Given Names: John
Event: B
Spouse Surname/Father: Logie Perrie
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jan BOULTON
Age:
Sex:
Birth Place: CAMP
Death Place:
Year: 1875
Reg Number: 14461
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: Barbara Allen
Event: B
Spouse Surname/Father: Logie Pirrie
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jane BOULTON
Age:
Sex:
Birth Place: CDOWN
Death Place:
Year: 1877
Reg Number: 7195
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: James Harley
Event: B
Spouse Surname/Father: Logie Peirrie
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jane BOULTON
Age:
Sex:
Birth Place: CAMP
Death Place:
Year: 1879
Reg Number: 14257
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: Francis Henry
Event: B
Spouse Surname/Father: Logie Peirrie
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Ja BOULTON
Age:
Sex:
Birth Place: CAMP
Death Place:
Year: 1881
Reg Number: 14574
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: Mary Ann
Event: B
Spouse Surname/Father: Logie Peeri
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jane BOULTON
Age:
Sex:
Birth Place: CAMP
Death Place:
Year: 1883
Reg Number: 7440
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:

Surname: GRANT
Given Names: Sarah May
Event: B
Spouse Surname/Father: Logie Pierie
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Jane BOULTON
Age:
Sex:
Birth Place: CAMP
Death Place:
Year: 1887
Reg Number: 17569
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Coriolana on Saturday 28 January 06 04:28 GMT (UK)
thanks Anne :-)

regards

Carol in Oz
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 28 January 06 04:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Carol,
As your original enquiry was a while ago now and you possibly have since found some answers, could you 'modify' your original or post an updated summary so chatters can help where it is needed.
Sue
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Coriolana on Saturday 28 January 06 04:59 GMT (UK)
I'm still researching all of the families listed :-)

Carol
Title: CELEY, SELLEY, ZELLEY
Post by: Zelley on Sunday 29 January 06 05:10 GMT (UK)
Hi,

CELEY from Somerset, England
Elizabeth Celey (alias Kewer, Sealy and variations) was born in Somerset, England about 1776.  It is believed that Elizabeth's mother was Elizabeth Vicary nee Sealy/Celey who married Robert Vickary in North Curry, 19th February 1786 after the birth of Elizabeth Celey.  
regards
Carol from OZ

Need to consider other likely Somerset, Devon, Dorset & Wiltshire
variations starting with Zeley, Cely, Sely, Zely, to more modern versions
such as SELLEY & ZELLEY.
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Coriolana on Sunday 29 January 06 05:20 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the suggestion.   I know that there is the variation Sealy in the family line.

Carol :-)
Title: Re: ALLAN, BARWICK, BIRMINGHAM, BRYANT, BURTON, CAMERON, CASSELS, CELEY, CUTHBERT.
Post by: Windyfish on Sunday 19 May 19 07:28 BST (UK)
My 4x Great Grandmother was Elizabeth Celey, Rogers and Richardson. My 4X great Grandfather was Robert Richardson. I have found out that Elizabeth Junior had a half sister Mary Lou Vicary and she married a William Lock. Elizabeths Mother, Elizabeth married a Phelps in Parramatta Nsw. She was witness at Her daughters wedding to Robert Richardson. They lived in Double Bay.