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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: liverpool annie on Thursday 06 July 06 22:49 BST (UK)
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I have been trying to get the service papers of this young man ....... and I can't seem to find him - could somebody please help ?
In Memory of
Private MILNER OSWALD HOWARTH
NX201264, A.I.F. Adv. L. H.Q., Australian Headquarters
who died age 19
on 04 May 1945
Son of Milner and Caroline Howarth, of Chatswood, New South Wales. Australia.
Remembered with honour
AMBON WAR CEMETERY
http://www.roll-of-honour.org.uk/Cemeteries/Ambon_Memorial/
Thanking you in advance
Annie :)
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Hello there LA
this chap is on the NAA site but his record hasnt been digilatised
you will have to click on request a ccopy and then wait a good six weeks for it to appear
by the records i would hazard a guess and say his dad also fought in the war he was born in the uk
do you need any info for him other than this war record annie
regards jenn
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Hi Jenn !
I'd LOVE whatever you could find please !!
Annie :)
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Hello there Annie
there is a digilitsed record for OSWALD howarth BORN 20/7/1893 in liverpool england
can he be related to this fellow and is he a person of interest to you
regards jenn
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His Dad is Milner Howarth born Liverpool 1893 !!
He was a Frontiersman in Australia but also fought in WW1 for Britiain - I have some of his service records but not all !!
Annie :)
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http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=6994436&I=1&SE=1
hello ther annie if i have done it correctly this should take you to reocrd of milner howarth
regards jenn
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Hello there Annie
the link works elephant stamp for jenn
are the two tied in at all
regards jenn
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Sorry Jenn ..... I should have answered you BEFORE I started reading !! :P :P
Wonderful stuff .... that's my Granddads brother !!
oohh ! I'm all excited now .... thank you ! so I have to apply for his son right ??
Annie :) :)
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hello there annie
ok so that is your great uncle and his son is buried in the Ambon cemetery
now there appears to be a brother to milner oswald oswald Reginald would that be correct?
also it appears that the mother Caroline died in 1935
regards jenn
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Milner Howarth was married twice .....
Caroline Patterson 1924 Liverpool
Ellen Tilley 1944 Australia
I didn't know about the other boy !
Annie :)
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Hello there
by the records on the ww2 nominal roll site
there are two reginald howarth nok milner
one is born 12/5/1923 he enliseted at STIVES
the other is born 24/2/1927
so unfortunately there is no digirecord to look at
it may very well be a coincidence but!!
regards jenn
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Hi Jenn !
How many people have the first name Milner - except in our family ???
I think it looks good .......... :D
So where do I have to go to get them ?
Annie :)
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http://www.naa.gov.au/The_Collection/recordsearch.html
hello ther Annie this link will allow to search the naa site
it is interesting to note there are two details for both these lads looks like they have joined up twice each
and have used a birthday date one day apart!!!
have a look and you will see what i mean when you clikc on to order etc you will notice an email address you can send to to request the copy on the net otherwise it cost 25 aus dollars for a copy to be sent that is in oz dont know about uk though annie
regards jenn
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Thank you for this Jenn !! I'll get it done !
I appreciate your help !
Annie :) :)
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By the way ... how did you know when Caroline died ?
Annie :)
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Hello there
cause the nsw bdm is online births till 1905 marriages till 1955 and deaths to 1975
very easy to access and a number to order the certificate from
pity the other states werent so good
regards jenn
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http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
this is the link have fun
rgards jenn
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This the link to Birth's and Death's for Nsw:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births
This is for Marriages in Nsw:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=marriages
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Thanks OzyBob !
I really appreciate your help !
Annie :)
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Just thought I'd mention - when talking (well PM ing) to Annie about this family - I believe the two boys on the NAA / nominal roll are the same person. He enlisted in 1941, put his birth date up by 2 years. 6 weeks later someone discovered this as he was discharged. Enlisted again the moment he turned 18 & was killed - just so sad. :'( :'(
There also seems to be a younger brother Reginald, who initially tried to enlist at the same time (He would have been 14!). He enlisted for a 2nd time in April 1945 and was discharged 2 years later.
Trish
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Hello there Trisha
i did wonder at it all and my thoughts were down that track having seen it recently with someone else
the father had written a letter to the army abbout it
i di wonder why the boys pcked a date a day apart maybe they were passing themselfs of as twins!!!
but i do think that reginald could be a brother
so hoping annie can get the records
regard jenn
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Hi Jenn
I think there was much more checking done in WWII. I had one family person - put his age up for WWI and down for WWII. They kept him in WWI but discharged him in WWII :) .
They picked the actual date of the older boy's birthday - probably needed to be able to remember what was said :) - I rarely give correct dob on internet when requested - will never be able to remember what I have stated ;D ;D
I definitely think these lads were brothers. Annie is going to get a transcript of father Milner's death so hopefully that will list all the children.
Trish
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Thank you all so very much for all the help and information you've given me !!
I ask about one and get half a dozen !!!! well not quite .... but close enough !! ::) ::)
How exciting all this is !!....... I'm like a kid at Christmas now !! ;D
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Just thought you guys might be interested ... here's Milner's photo as a Frontiersman !!...... this photo makes me laugh - I wish he'd hitch up that gun !! ;D ;D ;D
http://static.flickr.com/19/161187699_95d4489ca2_o.jpg
Annie :)
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Hello there
I must admit my ignorance I have never heard of a fronteirsman looks more like a canadian mountie than an aussie bushman!!!!!
regards jenn
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Just thought you guys might be interested ... here's Milner's photo as a Frontiersman
Annie :)
Hi Annie
He looks so young - why do men like to fight ??? ???
He also looks cute
Trish
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Here's their web page !!
http://www.frontiersmen.org.au/index.htm
Annie :)
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Hi,
I have Ralph Howarth as the brother to Milner Osawald Howarth, both boys from Carloine. Is their another child?
Thanks,
Wes
Hello there
by the records on the ww2 nominal roll site
there are two reginald howarth nok milner
one is born 12/5/1923 he enliseted at STIVES
the other is born 24/2/1927
so unfortunately there is no digirecord to look at
it may very well be a coincidence but!!
regards jenn
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hello there
not confirmed by a certificate sighting
but there is
Reginald Howarth 24/2/1917
lists his next of kin as Milner Howarth
from the world war two nominal roll
regards Jenn