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If anyone has clergy in their family there is an online database of appointents and postings for curates, priests, bishops and other clergy at:
Clergy of Church of England Database
http://theclergydatabase.org.uk (http://theclergydatabase.org.uk)
bless you!
Susan
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my child !
excellent research !
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;D
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Note this is an ongoing project
So if you can't find your ancestor, wait a while and try again
Bob
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Excellent resource but no good for me as it covers 1540 - 1835. I'll have to wait a while!! :o
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For later dates try Crockford's - local reference library or a secondhand copy
Bob
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Thanks. ;D
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We have a few old Crockfords in our library - anything I can look up for you?
RuthieB
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Hello RuthieB"
Would you mind looking for anyone with the surname GIOLMA
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Thanks RuthieB. I have William Henry Lewis, Vicar of Derwen 1938 - 1955. Where was he before this? S.Wales I think?
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Hello RuthieB"
Would you mind looking for anyone with the surname GIOLMA
Anne, could you give me an idea of dates please?
Cheers, RuthieBx
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From Crockfords 1951-2
Lewis; William Henry. Studied at St Michael's Theological College, Llandaff in 1929. Deacon in 1930, Malmesbury for Llandaff; Priested in 1931, Llandaff. Curate of St Fagan, Aberdare 1930-8. Rector of Derwen, Diocese of St Asaph from 1938.
Cheers, RuthieBx
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Hi Ruthie B
Can you have a look for Rev V H PATRICK vicar St Matthias Birmingham and his curate C A WOOD. I need the date that these two gentlemen served at St Matthias together. They are not related to me but I have a torn cover of a church magazine with their names and the Verger's name and address it is just possible the verger is an ancestor of mine the dates would tell me if it is worth pursuing further. My ancestor was the son of a parish clerk from Warwick and moved to Birmingham after 1871 He married aged 20 in St Matthias Dec 1879 and died in 1893 so I am hoping the clergy were in St Mathias some time 1879-1893
Many thanks
Trees
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Thanks RuthieB. Thats great. That ties in with all the other info found.
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Hi Ruthie B
Can you have a look for Rev V H PATRICK vicar St Matthias Birmingham and his curate C A WOOD. I need the date that these two gentlemen served at St Matthias together. They are not related to me but I have a torn cover of a church magazine with their names and the Verger's name and address it is just possible the verger is an ancestor of mine the dates would tell me if it is worth pursuing further. My ancestor was the son of a parish clerk from Warwick and moved to Birmingham after 1871 He married aged 20 in St Matthias Dec 1879 and died in 1893 so I am hoping the clergy were in St Mathias some time 1879-1893
Many thanks
Trees
Hi Trees!
Our oldest Crockfords is dated 1897 and doesn't have a listing for either of those two gentlemen. I checked the Parish of St Mathias which told me that the Incumbent was called Filleul, appointed 1894 and the Curate was Clease, appointed 1892. No names for their predecessors.
The church itself should have a list of previous vicars - if it's still active, perhaps you could write to the current vicar/parish clerk and see if they can help you further.
Sorry couldn't be of more help on this one
RuthieB
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Many thanks Ruthie B,
Sadly the church has been redundant for many years. I have e mailed Birmingham achieves with out a reply will try them again Will let you know if I find them :)
Trees
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Hello helpful lookuppers,
I have an Albert George Turner b1880 who I think was the Vicar at the wedding of his youngest sister Ruth Holland Turner (my grandmother) 6 Oct 1917. They were married in St Peter's Parkstone, Dorset.
Does he appear in any of these reference books please?
Thanks for your time. :)
Paul
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There are also the Ordination Records kept at Kew, these go back at least till the 1300's and of course are not listed under Church of England which didn't exist till old Henry's times in the 1500's.
I have some wonderful information from this source.
looking for such type of records you have to work out if they could have been any other belief.
Many welathy families were affected by this system.
There are also the recusancy Rolls which would also give clues as to the religion the family practiced. They could be fined for not attending the C of England or for daring to attend the Roman Catholic Church.
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Ordination records are not necessarily at Kew
My ancestors was at Wiltshire RO, as they were in the diocese of Salisbury
Bob
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The person I employ to go to Kew and other Records Offices in the South of England for me
found all of mine held in Kew.
Copy Records were normally kept at three separate venues in case of fire the Church involved, the Diocese and the Main Records Office.
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Trees!
The County Record Office should have what you're looking for; they may even have copies of the parish magazine for that time. If you can get to Birmingham, ask to look at a Baptism register for that period and then you can check the ministers' names.
Happy hunting!
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If anyone has clergy in their family there is an online database of appointents and postings for curates, priests, bishops and other clergy at:
Clergy of Church of England Database
New link added Nov 2013
bless you!
Susan
Just wondering if anybody is having trouble opening this site? I've tried for 2 days, but can't open it. I've tried going through Google as well, finding the link on another site, but I can't open it by using that link either.
Les
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Yes seems to be down. This has happened before, perhaps more data being entered!
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:'( me too but hey maybe their adding the one who could be mine ;D
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You can still do a Google search
boyce site:eagle.cch.kcl.ac.uk
Substitue boyce for whatever search term appears
I have found searching this way gives more hits
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Hi,
does that website still exist ??? :-\ :-\
I have tried a few times, and it doesn't work for me ::)
Red :)
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Yes it was working during the week
Bob
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happy new year all
just found my partner ancestor on the web site phillip huling 1561
where else can i found out more information about him?
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Well you can try to get copies of the ordination website as above
My priest were mstly curates, who were also schoolmasters too.
I found some information in histories, even online, also the Victoria County History of the county concerned
Bob
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Ruthie,
I am a new member here, and wonder if you ever found out anything on the Giolma name. Dates would have been from about 1874 to 1877. At least that is the dates they were in Kent. Alfred Francis Giolma was an Anglican minister and died in Kent in 1877.
Before coming to England he was in various places, such as Belize, Puerto Rico and St. Lucia, first with the Methodist Church and then the Anglican Church.
Pat
Canada
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You need to refer to Crockfords, that is to late a date for the CCED
Bob
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Bob,
Since I live in Canada, I don't have access to it so was hoping Ruthie (who said she had them) could check for me.
Pat
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I am trying to find out more information about a chap called Eyre Gwynne born 1855 in Dublin. His mother died at his birth and his father who was a clergyman (James Gwynne) died in 1869 when he was 13 years. I was wondering if he might have followed in his father's profession? Apart from an appearance as a child in 1871 census the only other record I can find is a death in 1889.
Has anyone Crockfords to hand?
Thanks,
Anne
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hi along these lines i just found out yesterday that our ancestor was a vicar for C of E. so have read your posts here with keen interest. i emailed the web site you mentioned to do with htat last night and am eagerly awaiting a reply.
kas
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HI
I wondered if anyone with Crockfords could look up a Rev David Watson who died in 1981.
Many thanks
Carolyn
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Thanks for posting this site.
An excellant resource.
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Hi All, Is there a Data base for Welsh Clergy ? Cheers :)
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Welsh Anglican clergy (Church in Wales; on some marriage certificates you'll see 'married according to the rites of the Established Church' before 1925) can also be found in Crockfords. Not sure about a database for the non Conformists.
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Hi everyone,
I've been trying to find information to help at fellow rootschatter find information on two brothers who were CoE clergy. I tried the databse myself + Crockfords (telephoned a lady at my local reference library). The lady said she couldn't find any reference to either of the two brothers, which is strange.
This is what I have found:
Rev John Allen Parkinson
www elsworthvillage org uk opus173 html Website has new owners
Charles Luke Parkinson - graduate of Brasenose College, Oxford (c. 1826 - 1855) - formerly of Hursley, near Winchester, in
the county of Hants, but late of Purleigh, in the county of
Essex, Clerk
Sons of Luke Parkinson.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Paulene :)
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A 'possible' relative - who doesn't show up on the CCE website - may have been ordained in Wales. Would someone with access to Crockfords be able to look for William Bassett Powell, b. Merthyr Tydfil 1836, please?
He still might not show up; - apparently he travelled, ... may have married in South Africa, and in fact, may have been ordained there as well, ... subsequently returned with his family to the UK (by 1901, when he appears as Rev. William, in Somerset).
{** Added: just re-read ... apparently he was in India, as well; daughter born there about 1868**}
Any help or ideas much appreciated.
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Just found this reference and was able to get details about a distant relative Rev. Peter Bulmer.
Can't say as I understand how he came to be in Liverpool as a curate in his latter years but nevertheless the reference is there.
Thank you for posting
Regards
Olly
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Dear All
Have just become (at the major outlay of 50p) the proud owner of The Church Directory and Almanack 1929 - great fun - even has details of stipends. Would be happy to do look ups. I didn't realise there were other directories than Crockford's.
Regards
Derby Girl
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I've been working as a reasearch assistant for this project transcribing records from the Diocese of Exeter (which included Cornwall as well as Devon). Just to clarify that the records on this database are those that were made in various forms before the records were put into standard form. In my experience I've found some very interesting anecdotal descriptions. Well worth a look.
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I have just dropped in to this thread and did not see any reference to two publications which can help in finding about Church of England clergy: up to late 19th century, most but not all of them had a degree from Oxford or Cambridge and so should be listed in either
"Alumni Oxonienses : The Members of the University of Oxford 1500-1886. Their parentage, birthplace and year of birth, with a record of their degrees. Being the Matriculation Register of the University. Alphabetically arranged, revised and annotated by Joseph Foster." or
"Alumni Cantabrigenses" - similar to the Oxford alumni, this one covers those attending Cambridge University.
These sets of volumes can usually be found in major libraries.
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Oooooh, thanks, ainslie; - would our Welsh fellows be there, too?
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Deb
They should be if they attended & got their degree at one of those universities.
A
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Would it be possible for someone to see if they can find a Bertram Turner in Crockfords please? He was born in Liverpool c1907, so guess he went into the ministry around 1930-50. Probably stayed in Liverpool but not sure. Any info would be appreciated. Many thanks. R.
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Thankyou for that, I found both my ancestors straightaway, with all their appointments as well,
All the best
Roofy
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:) I have just logged in to ask the question"How would I find out if an ancestor was a clergyman" and here is this wonderful post!What a great database - however not much luck for me.
My oldest Aunt who is supplying me with loads of wonderful memories and info said that she is certain that we had a Vicar in the family,she said she can remember her Aunts saying things like"make sure your face is clean because Uncle Joe is coming"and he used to come in a funny shaped cart.
My Aunt was born in 1927,and the name of the Uncle is Joseph Southwick.
If anyone could help out with that I would be grateful,thank you :)
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Hi Bagpuss, hopefully someone will look in Crockfords for you, but I think you can access this clerical directory in some libraries. Also try googling for him because you never know what may turn up!
An afterthought.......you could possibly contact the dioceson office of which ever area you think he served in....but, have you considered the possibility that he may not have been an anglican but maybe methodist???? Regards. R.
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:)Hello Royd,
Thanks for that,because no I wouldn't have considered that maybe he was a methodist!I just presumed Anglican - I'm still learning!!
I am due in the library next week so I will certainly ask about Crockfords.
Thank you again!
bagpuss :)
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Would it be possible for someone to see if they can find a Bertram Turner in Crockfords please? He was born in Liverpool c1907, so guess he went into the ministry around 1930-50. Probably stayed in Liverpool but not sure. Any info would be appreciated. Many thanks. R.
I can't ascertain it's the same person, but I'm told by an older member of the congregation of St. John the Evangelist Ravenhead (Church of England) that Rev. Bertram Turner was a Curate at the church. Unfortunately I don't know any dates, but again Crockfords can help with that. I know he doesn't appear in a 1998 copy of the publication.
Did you manage to find any information on him?
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Hi dkr, no I didn't find any info but thank you for that. I don't live too far from Ravenhead so will make some enquiries. Thanks very much. Regards. R.
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Help We are reseaching a Rev Henry EBBEN
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,462875.0.html
but it is in dispute if he was Cof E or not can anyone here help please
1881 Student of Theology and from the newspaper "assisting the vicar of the church and parish of St. Luke's, Hackney."
1887 newspaper sys he was Curate of the new church
1891 address Boscombe Parsonage RG12/903 fo 34 p 14 Area Church of Eng Mintr (what is the significance ot the word Area?
1918 his son's marriage certificate has father Henry "Clerk in Holy Orders"
Don't these terms indicate Church of England?
but :
He
does not appear in Crockford's clerical directory.
"Victorian Boscombe" by J A. Young, Mr Ebben was a member
of the Free Church of England
1901 census RG13/1044 fo156 p41
Minister of the Gospel Free Church of England
The Hampshire Advertiser (Southampton, England), Saturday, February 26, 1887; pg. 7; Issue 4247. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
Christ Church. - This new church, situated in the Drummond Road, Boscombe, was formally opened on Monday by religious services, conducted by the curate in charge, the Rev. Henry Ebben, who for nine years has been assisting the vicar of the church and parish of St. Luke's, Hackney.
But the Record Office tell me "our archive catalogue and found no reference to Henry
Ebben. "
"iFurther searches of the Hampshire Advertiser revealed that the iron church was Christ Church, of which we have no records. " but then "Christ Church is listed as a place of worship in the 1895 Hampshire directory - with the Rev Henry Ebben"
I am confused ??? Have they any record of him or not the email is contradictory to say the least can any one help please
Trees
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Hi, if you google Free Church of England, this may help to explain some things to you. It rather looks as though some clergy of a more evangelical persuasion became disenchanged with the C of E. and set up on their own. It may well be that your relation was originally ordained into the C of E and then moved to the Free C of E. Hope this helps. R.
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This time I am trying to find something about a father and son in law please Neither appear in the name list on the site first mentioned here :'(
Edward ELLARD on the 1891 and 1901 censuses is listed as;"Church of England Evangelist Preacher" in Stoke on Trent his address is not much help 64 Wood Street in 1891 and 16 Bath St in 1901 neither seem particularly attatched to a Church. up to 1882 he was a baker and locksmith in Willenhall Staffs. So what happened was he suddenly converted by an evangelist did he have training somewhere how long did such training take was it the Church that sent him to Stoke? One tree on An..ry has two photos of him in clerical garb so was he ordained? If so where can I find out where and when?
He had a daughter who married another interesting man described in 1911 as Clerk in Holy Orders in Huddersfield and in 1901 he was with several other s all evangelists in rooms of the Church Army above five shops in Marylebone. Was he studying to become ordained? Again how can I find anything about him
Hope you can help they seem interesting
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There are some Crockfords on Ancestry and I have not found him there
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Thanks for trying Stone chat,I have so far failed to find either of them I can't find any mention in the on line news papers either I wonder if it would be worth contacting the RO in Litchfield for Edward and for Huddersfield for Thomas. But where would they have been ordained did the Church Army train people for Ordination in Marylebone or for Christian social work
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And another
Charles Alfred Augustus ELLARD Evangelist Established Church 1911 Halifax
Help can anyone help with these Evangelists are they Ordained priests of the Cof E or lay preachers I am really confused why can't I find them on the Church data sites?
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The Church Army probably has a web site. Try googling. They certainly train evangelists for work within the C of E.
A
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First thing I did ainslie but I can't find anything about training for ordination or records of past members :'(
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It seems most likely in this case that this is a offshoot or breakaway from the C of E
So normal ideas for chasing priest will not apply
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CA evangelists were/are not necessarily ordained.
A
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But surely using the term In Holy Orders is pushing us towards an ordained chap It is interesting that they seem to stress the Cof E connection on the censuses too. I now am curious and want to find out more about them. Will start with letters to the Church Army and the Ros where they end up I'll update if I find anything useful
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I have a 'doctor' in my tree
The Censusses record himas such and even mention where he studied - University of Philadelphia
However he was not a qualified doctor and was prosecuted fpr practising without registering as a doctor
The warning from this is that the enumerator and registrar may get the wording in a standard form but not necessarily factually correct
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;D ;D have you readmy saga of ETO he was a supposed Dr! http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,378617.0.html
take care if you haven't its an adictive tale.
But then there are photos of Edward in clerical garb and in a large group of other Clergy all in robes http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/27976941/person/5106948603?ssrc=
I am sure they really were ordained ministers its strange they are not recorded in Crockfords
Still puzzled by this family
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If they were Church Army they wouldn't be in Crockfords's as Church Army officers weren't ordained. So I suggest you try getting in touch with the Church Army. There is the Wilson Carlisle College of Evangelism, 50 Cavendish Street, Sheffield, which is a Church Army training college. I imagine I'm not supposed to give you their telephone number here, but can't remember how to PM. If you want this would you send me a PM? Hopefully they could point you in the right direction.
Derby Girl
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Does this clergy list still work? Doesn't seem to be opening for me and its just what I'm after!!
Thanks
Sharon
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It works for me http://www.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp
Stan
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Mmm just checked that thanks but no sign of them. I have discovered a family member whose son then grandson also went into the church (all same surname) but none of them appear!
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What date and name? I have some Crockfords directories in book form.
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Hi!
I have Revd Richard Guest born 1757 Standish, Lancashire, died 1816 Eccles, Lancashire (think his church was St Mary's the Virgin in Eccles). And his son Wilbraham Bootle Guest born 1795 Eccles and died in Cheshire in 1863 (think his church was in High Leigh Cheshire but don't know the name of it). His son George William Guest also went into the church too as far as I can tell. Not sure where though as he travelled about - married in Islington in 1853 but also on census in Cheshire and Yorkshire. He was born in 1830 Cheshire but not sure yet when he died.
Thanks for any info you can provide.
Sharon
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Can't see the earlier two but in 1865 George William Guest seems to be in York. Address Heworth Rd.
St John's College, Cambridge BA in 1853, MA 1857 Deac 1854 Pr 1855 by Bishop of Manchester. Min. Can of York Cathedral 1862. R of All Saints, North St York, Formerly C of St Stepehns Salford 1854 and Sutton on the Hill 1856. P C of Derwent 1859
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Thanks for that :) really appreciate it. I've no idea how to get info on the others :/
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At later dates you are best consulting Crockfords
CCED is for earlier dates
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I can't find either of the earlier two on the CCED :( this most recent mention of a 'Guest' is 1790 so the first one falls under that but no mention of him and his son was only born 1795 so seems to fall inbetween!
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Have you tried googling? Wilbraham Bootle Guest shows up in various combinations of the name including a google book for Alumni Cantabrigienses.
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I thought I had (?) but maybe not if you've seen something I've not seen! Will get onto that one! ;)
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The webite the for Clergy database doesn't seem to be working at the moment (today at least). Does anyone know where else I can find info on members of the clergy in the 17th and 18th century (to early 19th)? I have found two ancestors on this database already and also found they were educated at Oxford so have info from the Oxford Alumni about them but I would like to know more if possible.
The names I am interest in are Huson (or Hewson) and Ryall in Dorset. I will post more info on exact dates etc tomorrow.
Thanks in adavance for any help
Matt
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It is working today
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Hello
Not sure if the services offered on this page are still available as it is quite some time since anyone seems to have posted here.
I am looking for any information on a Reverend J Jordan, presumed to be C of E clergyman, who had some contact with US servicemen of the 446th Bomb Group at Flixton near Bungay Suffolk around 1943. From a fuzzy photo of that time the Rev. appears to possibly be in his mid 50s to 60s.
Any information would be greatly appreciated!
Pete
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Crockford's of 1951- 52 is not very helpful. Two possible men but the biographical details do not show them as being in Suffolk. Julius Nelani Jordan who worked in S Africa and Canon James Henry Jordan, Hereford Cathedral.
An earlier edition might be more helpful as it is possible he had died by 1951.
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Thanks. I may be able to visit Record Office after WE
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Excellent resource but no good for me as it covers 1540 - 1835. I'll have to wait a while!! :o
Same here. I've posted a request along these lines elsewhere for two vicars called David Evans for the period 1880-1911:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=822361
Regards,
Howard
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For later Clergy, you need to Consult Crockfords directories, there are a selection at Ancestry and many reference libraries will have a year or two
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Specifically Tuam diocese, I think.
Thomas Abbott (1688-1762) was appointed curate of Athenry, Co. Galway, in 1715.
He was later vicar or rector of various parishes, of Moylough at the time of his death.
Does anyone have a reference book for the clergy of Tuam (or possibly Clonfert) and could look him up for me, please?