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Hi cant find a SAMUEL BRUZE on 1881 census.I dont know much about him at all - sorry but he links with IGI to my family of Bruce's.
In 1899 samuel Bruze married an Eliza Jones his father was callled Thomas .
Samuel was age 49 when he wed Eliza age 47.So Samuel was born around 1850 , Eliza around 1852.
I cannot find anything about samuel surely he must be on a census in 1851 with his father
Any help appreciated cheers
sue
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Hi Sue,
To be perfectly honest, not only can't I find him on the
'81 or '01, with the exception of the IGI marriage he doesn't
appear to exist at all?
All the applicable census returns have been tried - using Bruze, Bruse, Bruce, Brews etc. inc. the wild card ???.
BMD - nothing!
I am sure I can't be the only person who is exhausting all
the options either :-\.
I will keep looking and in the meantime hopefully someone
might find the answer :)
Good luck,
Pels
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Hi Sue,
Here we are: BMD Stockton, Jun qtr. 1899
Samuel Breeze married Eliza Jones :D
Pels
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Hi again,
I've checked the 1901 census and Samuel and Eliza
are there with 5 children + the mother in law - Mary
Evans.
This ties in with the IGI - Eliza Jones's father
being listed as William Evans!
Both husband and wife were born in Wales - would you still
like this following up?
Regards,
Pels
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Hi again,
I've checked the 1901 census and Samuel and Eliza
are there with 5 children + the mother in law - Mary
Evans.
This ties in with the IGI - Eliza Jones's father
being listed as William Evans!
Both husband and wife were born in Wales - would you still
like this following up?
Regards,
Pels
Hi,
yes as for some reason they link to my Bruce's and i am puzzled.
sue
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Hi Sue,
1901 census, RG 13/4627, district 37, page 3.
Durham, Stockton on Tees.
1, Edith Place.
Samuel Breeze, head. mar. 51, occ. Puddler, Ironworks, b. Wales, Abbavale. /CNS
Eliza, wife, mar. 48, b. Wales, Stefroesl. /CNS
Mary, dau. single, 18, b. Stockton on Tees, /Deaf
William, son, single, 16, occ. Fireman, Rivet Furnace Bolt,
b. Stockton on Tees
Cassy, dau. 12, b. Wales, Caven. /CNS
Christopher, son, 10, b. Stockton
Lilly, dau. 2, b. Stockton
Mary Evans, mother in law, widow, 74, b. Wales, Methyr Tid Vill, Brecon
The transcription of Eliza's birthplace is Stefroest and Cassy's
birthplace is transcribed as Cavea?
Best wishes,
Pels :)
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Was having a poke around on this one and uncovered something a little strange
1891 wales
RG12/4619
folio 144
page 31
Mill House, Bersham, Denbighshire. (Surname transcribed as Brege)
Thomas Breeze, head, widow, 60, bn Llanfair, Montgomery.
Alfred Breeze, son, single, 22, printers composite, bn Owestry, Salop.
John Lewis Breeze, son, single, 18, scholar, bn Abenbury, Flint (I think)
Sarah A James, servant, single, 13, general servant domestic, bn Afn, Denbigh.
RG12/4619
folio 119
page 41
Every thing is the same, address etc and family living next door except they are transcribed and on the image as Bruze.
I have never come accross two copies of the same family in the same census. Hand wriiting is different and on the second census that page is the last of that set Dendighshire, Bersham, district 18. First image was Denbighshire, Bersham, district 38.
Not sure if this is your guys family but it seems to explain the possible name mix up of Breeze and Bruze.
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Hi Sue,
1901 census, RG 13/4627, district 37, page 3.
Durham, Stockton on Tees.
1, Edith Place.
Samuel Breeze, head. mar. 51, occ. Puddler, Ironworks, b. Wales, Abbavale. /CNS
Eliza, wife, mar. 48, b. Wales, Stefroesl. /CNS
Mary, dau. single, 18, b. Stockton on Tees, /Deaf
William, son, single, 16, occ. Fireman, Rivet Furnace Bolt,
b. Stockton on Tees
Cassy, dau. 12, b. Wales, Caven. /CNS
Christopher, son, 10, b. Stockton
Lilly, dau. 2, b. Stockton
Mary Evans, mother in law, widow, 74, b. Wales, Methyr Tid Vill, Brecon
The transcription of Eliza's birthplace is Stefroest and Cassy's
birthplace is transcribed as Cavea?
Best wishes,
Pels :)
Hi,
Is this SAMUEL BREEZE the same person as SAMUEL BRUZE ?
I am confused ! I know with some of my families the surnames are always mispelt.However they are linked on IGI on www.familysearch.org to my BRUCE side .The batch number is M162411.Will he be related if he is on the same batch number??
I have come across many different spellings of BRUCE ! i know people spelt my name wrong.
I cant seem to get further back and im hoping SAMUEL is a cousin however all my Bruce side originate Stockton.
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Hello again!
1861 census: RG 9/3706 District 9, page 45
Durham, Escomb, Railway Row.
Thomas Breese, h. marr. 40, occ. Baller Iron Works
b. Montgomeryshire
Sarah, wife, m. 29, b. Glamorganshire
Samuel, son, unm. 14, occ. Puddler Iron Works,
b. Monmouthshire
Thomas, son, 6, scholar, b. Durham, Escomb
John, son, 5, b. Durham, Escomb
William, son, 2, b. Escomb
David, son, 2mths. Twin, b. Escomb
Mary Ann, dau. 2 mths. Twin, b. Escomb
Catherine Harris, serv. 18, House Servant, b. Merthyr
John Hughes, boarder, wdwer, 49, Baller Ironworks,
b. Monmouthshire
William Brocket, boarder, wdwer, 40, Baller, b. Monmouth
Newbridge
Regards,
Pels
I see there are replies but I will post this anyway and then read
them :)
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Phew!
The 1901 census is the same Samuel Breeze as
the Samuel Bruze on the IGI, I am certain about that,
there are too many similarities.
As for the relationship between your Bruce's I was
never convinced about that for some reason. Hence the
fact I wasn't sure whether you wanted me to post it?
I looked on the 1891 (Wales) because of the age of
Cassy, nothing that I could find - or in England either
for that matter.
You are right, it is a puzzle :-\
Pels
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hi
Thanks yes im puzzled regarding the relationship.I will look into it all , all my Bruces up until 1791 with a JOHN BRUCE who wed a JANE have been from Stockton on tees.But i cannot get beyond this 1791 date.However with JOHN BRUCE b 1791 he has prooved untracable !No death record nor birth !
However one thing is puzzling is SAMUEL didnt marry ELIZA until 1899 yet he has a daughter age 18 ?????
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Hi Sue,
I am wondering whether Eliza was Samuel's second
wife and visa versa.
That was my first thought when I saw the census and the IGI.
On the IGI the father of Eliza Jones was a William Evans,
that suggests that Samuel wasn't Eliza's first husband.
On the 1901 the name of Samuel's mother in law was Mary
Evans.
At a guess only Lily belonged to the couple. There is an
8 year gap between Christopher and Lily.
I'll have a look again to see if I can find a death for
Samuels first wife.
Pels :)
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Hi again,
Tees Valley Indexes:
Stockton Dec. qtr. 1879
Samuel Breeze married Mary A Williams
Phew, I'm going out again now, isn't the weather beautiful?
Pels 8)
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Here we go again:
1881 census, RG11/4896 District 24, page 50
Stockton, 38, Hill Street.
Samuel Bresse head, mar, 32, Puddler, b. Dur., Witton Park
Mary A, wife, m. 30, b. Wales
Jane, dau., 3, b. Stockton
Ann Williams, serv. unm. 60, Domestic Servant Ind., b. Wales
In another life you would wonder why I think this ties
in? I just do.. .. .. Why Samuel's place of birth is now Witton
Park I don't know! I think it is the occupation that keeps
swinging it - same one everytime so far!
Pels :)
Forgot to mention the other 5 boarders in the house! As far
as I can see none of their names even begin with a B so they can ruled out!
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Here we go again:
1881 census, RG11/4896 District 24, page 50
Stockton, 38, Hill Street.
Samuel Bresse head, mar, 32, Puddler, b. Dur., Witton Park
Mary A, wife, m. 30, b. Wales
Jane, dau., 3, b. Stockton
Ann Williams, serv. unm. 60, Domestic Servant Ind., b. Wales
In another life you would wonder why I think this ties
in? I just do.. .. .. Why Samuel's place of birth is now Witton
Park I don't know! I think it is the occupation that keeps
swinging it - same one everytime so far!
Pels :)
Forgot to mention the other 5 boarders in the house! As far
as I can see none of their names even begin with a B so they can ruled out!
Hi,
with this Samuel above the birth age tallies.Is this samuel the same Samuel with a father called Thomas ???witton park is Bishop Auckland i think.
So why does the other census say wales ????
by the way thanks for your help .
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Hi Sue,
I think we are going to have to assume that this
Samuel doesn't belong to you.
I've tried everything to try and bring him into your fold,
but nothing!
The batch numbers on the IGI are transcribed into
parishes and dates not families. I think Samuel really was called Breeze or an equivalent name and it is the IGI at
fault for the transcription in 1899!
Pels :'(
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Hi,
I thought as much but a BIG thanks for all your time.
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Sue,
It is a shame really I had grown quite attached to
Samuel and all his many names!
If any one out there would like to adopt him for
their very own .. .. I now know quite a lot about his
life and times!!
Pels 8)
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Hi,
Thought he may have been a BRUCE as believe it or not JOHN BRUCE b 1791 Stockton is just as much a Mystery !! ;D
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I'll claim Eliza Evans as my Great-Great Grandmother :) We have been trying to figure out Lilly for years.....
Sue,
It is a shame really I had grown quite attached to
Samuel and all his many names!
If any one out there would like to adopt him for
their very own .. .. I now know quite a lot about his
life and times!!
Pels 8)