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I am wondering if there is a connection between Charles G. Winter's grandfather William Winter, and my own Winter family. I suspect that his grandfather is the same William Winter as my 3xGgrandfather.
If anyone has further information about this family, I'd love to hear :)
Leigh
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Hi Leigh,
Many of us may not know the details of the man whose info you are seeking in Aust.
Could you cross reference your theads from other boards if relevant or provide a bit more informmation so we can help.
Thanks
sue
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Sorry Sue, I didn't want to bombard the board with unnecessary details, but probably better too many than too few?
I've read about Charles Gideon Winter in a chapter of an online book 'The Golden Falcon' http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pillagoda/ch16-03.htm (Editting to add that I've tried emailing the author but email address seems to be out of use).
According to a letter he wrote in 1949, from his home in Bussleton, W.A. to a Rev. Chalres Henry Winter back in England:
He came to Australia with his parents (unnamed) in about 1879 (I've picked up an error here, he says he was born 1867 and came out when he was 2 so I assume they travelled in 1869). He had a brother William, who ended up going to Johannesburg. He lived in Tasmania for several years, where he met his wife (unnamed). He had three sons and a daughter. He fought in the Boer War, and he and his sons in WW1, I've been able to find them on the nominal rolls. He also had a daughter, he lived in South Africa for a while, and he settled in Western Australia.
This is what I'm most interested in:
In this letter he speaks of his grandfather William Winter, back in England, a poulterer, who moved with his young wife Sarah from Somerset to Wales, first Tenby then Narberth.
Now as it happens, my GGGrandfather William Winter was born in Tenby (abt 1840). According to his marriage cert. his father was also William, a poulterer.
I'm suspect Charles's grandfather William is the same as my 3xGgf William, and I'm trying to make that link.
I wondered if there are any of his children's descendents who may have further information about the family. I have also asked about my Winter side of this story in this thread if you're interested: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,173926.msg828639.html#msg828639
Thanks for reading!
Leigh
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hello there
charles gideon winter was born in 1867 in narbeth pembrokshire
he is on the 1871 census so they came to aus after that time
his father was john winter born 1836 Tenby pembrokshire wales
his parents were william and sarah winter
now they did have several children one was
WILLIAM born 1840 tenby
by the census this father william was a poultreer
so you could very well presume that they are indeed brothers I cannot find another william born 1840 at tenby by the census
also charles gideon married ADA SLEIGHTHOLM in tasmania 1873
I am having a look to see where john and his wife francis ended up
charles talks about his faher dying aged 67 but dosent say where i will try vicotira cause he states he went to school there
regards jenn
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Hi Leigh,
NAA has done it again for us
Charles Gideon Winter actually enlisted for ww1 aged 45
His next of kin was wife ADA and her address was 16 Bennett Street E. Perth
A Charles Robert Winter also enlisted and his NOK was Charles Edian Winter, This turns out to be a bad mis spelling of Gideon and his father's address is 16 Bennett Street E, Perth.
Both are digitised. It shows a few moves around Aust. including Tas..
Sue
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Just found another son.Noel Stephen Winter.
This lovely file contains hand-written consent to joiin from Charles Gideon because the boy was underage. S.
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Thanks so much ladies
I just typed a response and got timed out and lost it. I was saying that that is indeed the information about Charles Gideon and his sons. He also had a younger son again, John, who fought in the same battalion as he. I assume he would've had to write a letter for him too, being under age. I did find them on the nominal roll for the war, but didn't look much further, as I wasn't sure these were part of my Winters.
Thanks Jenn for confirming that Charles' father was John, as I suspected, he being the only of William and Sarah's sons not mentioned (besides William, the one I think might be mine, ironically enough), and saying there was always a John in the family. So John married a Francis.. hmm I'd guess her surname was Morris...
I wonder when they came out then, as in Charles' correspondance, he states they sailed out in 1879, but says he was 2 at the time... so perhaps he wrote 12 and someone's made a typo... hmm... school in Vic, lived in Tas and Perth... if you do find any information on the whereabouts of John's death or anything, I'd be most interested.
Is it too much of a conclusion to jump to, saying that William and Sarah's son William, b. 1840 in Tenby is the same as my William? Could there have been 2 Williams born that year, whos fathers were named William and were poulterers?? (Actually I think my William was born in late 1839...)
Another 'coincidence' is the property at Narberth is named Redstone... and my GGrandfather came to Aust. and built a home in the 1930s, and it was named Redstone. I'm told it was named after the home they'd moved from, but I wonder if THAT home had been named after the original one back in Wales... AND there's a John in that family as well! lol
Thanks again for the information, I will keep looking for links! I wonder if I can find any descendants of Charles Gideons children...
Leigh
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hello there leigh
now tell us more
when did your william come out to australia and where?
regards jenn
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OhYes
I see John Alexander now. there is a summary of his Will so that his mother is beneficiary. She is [sure enough] at 16 Bennett St. . There is a form signed by CharlesGideon, [but no lovely letter ]to let him join at 18 yrs and 7 months.
S
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Jenn, My William didn't really come out here, well he did but not to live... I don't think...
He was a draper in Portobello Road, London. His second son Edward, my GGf, came out here and settled. I still haven't been able to find when and from where he came, but he appears in london on the 1891 census, age 14, after his mother had passed away. Next I know of him is his marriage here in Sydney in 1910. Family story has it that he didn't get along with his father's 2nd wife (who'd been their life-long housekeeper), or maybe it was his father he didn't get on with, and that he was sent off to school in France, and then given the choice to start a new life in Australia or somewhere else, maybe South America? africa?... something like that.
Anyway, he came here, set up a gentleman's outfitter shop in Sydney, married, started a family, and had historical 'Redstone' or 'the Winter house' designed by Burleigh Griffin and built in Dundas.
He brought his father William out here during the war apparently I still dont' know if William went back to England or lived out his days here. I just had a brainwave and checked the BDM and there is a William Winter dying here, with the parents William and Sarah. I wonder if it's him, I will check with my grandaunt when I next speak with her! That would confirm this link too. Sorry to babble on so much - sorry you asked? :D
Leigh x
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hello there
leigh
oh no not sorry I asked after all it got you thinking and you may have found william death
keep us posted please it is a very interesting trail
regards jenn
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hello there leigh
i see that william has died at ryde which may not be your william seeing as how william was married at chatswood and he seems to be fairly well off ryde was a rather poor suburb back around the 1910 mainly working class etc
hard to say
regards jenn
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It was Edward who was married here, in 1910, in Lindfield (where his bride Greta lived). By 1929, when this William on the index died, my Edward was living in Dundas, even though he hadn't build The Winter house yet (I think that was in the 1930s...) that's relatively close to Ryde... They had land and orchards there back then. But who knows... can't wait to find out more!
Leigh
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hello there Leigh
I have found a death for FRANCES WINTER in Tasmania in 1890 at Launceston aged 65 which ties in with the letter of Charles Gideon Winter where he says his mother died when he was about 24.
The Tasmanian index only goes to 1899, thats the one I have so cannot pick up on the death of John Winter but still looking.
Also in the letter he says his Father died aged 96 but this was more like 86 and the mother Sarah I found on the 1901 census living with one of the married daughters in BRISTOL
She died that year aged 87 thats Sarah Matilda Winter who was born in Wilver.Somerset
Another thing that is true was a JOHN WINTER did win gold in the 1948 Olympics in england but I could not find anything on him the rev Charles Wwinter says that John junior had come to visit
but it also says he thought he was one of his brothers Daly??? 13 children I have only found two but that doesn't mean anything.
Some of this information may have been incorrectly typed in
on transcribing the letters typo errors we all make them
plus Charles Gideon wrote this letter in 1949 so he was 82 but i cannot find him or the wife ADA resting place.
When the letter was written he was in Busselton WA
I know Sue loves a good cemetery chase ::) ;D
I hope this may help in you search for the relo of Charles Gideon Winter
still delving deep
regards Jenn
ps do you belong to Genes Reunited there are three people there who have listed william born at brompton ralph somerset in their tree
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Wow Jenn, what a bunch of info! Thanks so much! It's wonderful to have someone able to look things up.
That's interesting about Sarah M living in Bristol, because there's a bit of a connection there with my William, who I am presuming to be one of William and Sarah's sons for the time being, spent some time with an aunt in Bristol as a youngster, being apprentice. Also, in a later census,he's with another aunt/uncle with a cousin who was born in Bristol. Does it say the daughter's name?
The more snippets of information I get, the more I think this is one and the same...
Oh, I haven't quite gotten my head around the Olympics John. I found some info on him, but I'm wondering which John it was... I'm thinking it couldn't have been Charles Gideon's son John, he would've been far too old in 1948... so maybe it was a grandson of Charles G.?? I haven't delved into that as yet, I'm still working on making too many connections to be coincidence between William and Sarah's family and my William. I've emailed some of my family to see what they know, one doesn't know and the other hasn't replied yet.
And no I don't think I am a Genes Reunited member, it rings a bell tho, I'll go check up - thanks for the tip!
Thanks again for the info about Frances (I tried finding their marriage, and found one John Winter on the same page as a Frances Oriel, in Narberth, 1864... I'll keep digging)
Leigh x
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hello there
well now i did also find frances oriel when i put in just frances in the 1861 census she came up widow grocer
now on the 1871 census when john winter is married he is a grocer and a cabinet maker and she is a grocer so I did think that it wasa bit more than a coincidence she is bit older than him I will dig it out again and give you the details
but I did draw a blank trying to find the marriage.
Yes I do agree that John Winter has to be Charles Gideon's grandson.
William Winter born 1813 died 1895 narbeth.
children born to this couple incidently William (1814) is not with the family in 1841
Edward born 1834 not in wales
Benjamin 1835 not in wales
John 1836 wales
William 1840 tenby wales birth last qtr 1839
on the 1851 wales census neither john or william jnr are
there
Caroline born 1851
Joseph born 1850 middle name rogers
Sarah born 1844 becomes thomas mrd1881
Timothy born 1841
Eliza born 1846
Elizabeth born 1841 born elizabeth rogers winter
on the 1861 wales census
Charles born 1855
Eva born 1859
Julia born 1847
Sophia born 1853
John is back home but not william
Another interesting thing is timothy is at home till 1891 wales census but he ups and marries and changes occupation to a draper in 1901
regards jenn
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Hello there Leigh
Sarah Matilda Winter was living at 82 Stokes Croft, St.Paul, Bristol, Gloucterhsire not spelt right with her daughter SaraH Thomas and husband and family he is a druggist employer son is a druggist also damn should have added them all for you no matter will do that later
regards Jenn
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Well all of those folks belong to Charles Gideon I'm certain. I have those census returns from my other post on teh Somerset board Jenn, and yep they're the same... the only thing I don't know for sure is if the William on the 1841 census b. Tenby is in fact MY William - I think it's too much of a coincidence for there to be two William Winters b. abt 1840 in Tenby with father's name William...
The other thing of interest with some of the gaps in the census - I have the places where my William was in 1851 (he was with his aunt Sophie Rogers in Bristol) and in 1861 he was with his Aunt and Uncle Rossetter (sic) in Hammersmith. My theory is that Sophie/a and Ruth Rossiter, are Sarah's sisters and that would mean that my William is Sarah's daughter. I found a Sarah Matilda Rogers b. in Wiveliscombe... if I can somehow come across a marriage between Sarah Matilda Rogers and William Winter, I'll be set; lots adds up to this all being the same family.
If I'm right, I have no idea where Edward and Benjamin were born, I've tried looking in Somerset but haven't turned anything up yet (CGW says 'Uncle Edward ran away to the army and Uncle Ben ran away to the sea, so that's probably where they were on later censuses). I have no idea at all what became of Caroline. I see that Sarah married William Park Thomas in 1870, and is on the 1881 census visiting her parents with some of her children. Timothy's the one who stayed home and became partner with his father - CGW talks of him in his letter too, saying that when he finally 'fell prey' to marriage, his wife took control of both he and his father and they both died not long after!
You noted that Elizabeth wasn't on the 1841 census, and I'm wondering about that, neither was her father. Sarah and the 4 boys were at Crackwell St, St Mary Within, and I'm now wondering if they were just lodging there or something. Where were Elizabeth and her dad that year?
I'm thinking John might have been off doing an apprenticeship somewhere in cabinetmaking in 1851 census... also with regards to John and Frances.. do you mean that Frances had been married before she married John? I wonder then if Oriel's her maiden name... I was thinking she might have been a Morris since her relatives already in Australia were named Morris and a Wallace...
A few leads to keep me busy here! If only the dishes and cooking and shopping and schoolwork and gardening and errands didn't need doing!
Leigh
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"Another interesting thing is timothy is at home till 1891 wales census but he ups and marries and changes occupation to a draper in 1901 ''
hi there I have made a mistake here TIMOTHY WINTER died 1895 in narbeth
have also corrected te birth year for elizabeth she was born 1841 midle name is rogers als0
sorry dont know where I was when I put this there
regards jenn
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"I'm thinking John might have been off doing an apprenticeship somewhere in cabinetmaking in 1851 census... also with regards to John and Frances.. do you mean that Frances had been married before she married John? I wonder then if Oriel's her maiden name... I was thinking she might have been a Morris since her relatives already in Australia were named Morris and a Wallace... "
on the 1861 census frances oriel is a widow and guess what!! living with her is her neice sarah wallace born 1846 narbeth this ties in to what CGW says about his mothers ie frances family being an aunt elizabeth wallace this is this lass's mother by the 1851 census
Also I have found that another of the children born to william and sarah matilda Joseph's iddle name is RODGERS
a coincidence maybe not
also on one the those census your william is with an elizabeth or is it eliza at the same address she is their neice birth place is pembrokshire will recheck to let you know
regards jenn
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Hello there Leigh
well pretty sure you are on the right track
on the 1861 census where your william is
also in ELIZA born 1846 COLD BLOW NARBETH PEMBROKESHIRE
You would assume that it is his sister eliza cold blow appears quite frequently in conjunction with narbeth
What do you reckon on this
also another neice is with them a MARY WALSH bor bristol 1842 ? will check this out
regards jenn
yes i know there are household dutiies to be attended too but boring ::) I am having to much fun gives me a sense of achievement to help someone else out ;D
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Yes that 1861 census, where William and Eliza are with uncle and Aunt Henry and Ruth 'Rossetter' is what got me checking for Somerset connections in the first place. And the other neice, Mary Walsh, being from Bristol, meant that the Rogers aunty William was with in 1851 got my attention. I've linked to this thread I think, but here's the link again:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,173926.0.html
I should try to find out more about 'Cold Blow' as I'm thinking this might be a property or house name, rather than a locality in Narberth??
I'm verging on concluding this is one and the same William Winter, there seem to be far too many coincidences... and nothing yet to show that it can't be...
Oh and Joseph's middle name being Rodgers is interesting - I came across a baptism index for an Elizabeth Rogers Winter in Pembroke on the LDS site... the year was a bit out (it gave a year and then said age at christening - 1, which didn't add up for the Elizabeth I have, but the Rogers stood out).
If I knew where William and Sarah were married, perhaps I could try asking for a parish register look up, but without knowing the year or the parish, it's a bit hard.
Leigh x
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http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&GridE=-4.72340&GridN=51.78290&lon=-4.72340&lat=51.78290&search_result=Cold%20Blow%2C%20Pembrokeshire&db=freegaz&lang=&keepicon=true&place=Cold%20Blow%2C%20Pembrokeshire&pc=&advanced=&client=public&addr2=&quicksearch=cold%20blow&addr3=&scale=100000&addr1=
this is a link to a map of where cold blow narbeth is it is actually narberth!!
regards jenn
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My word you have been busy while I was sleeping!
(I am just posting to keep up to date: don't want to duplicate any effort here on the other thread: Leigh can you make sure that any developments are noted there, please?)
Will ba back to check on progress later
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi friends,
No immediate luck with the burials of Charles Gid. & Ada, Will keep trawling.
However this of interest.
In the 1949 PO Directory for West Aust.
Region, Busselton
Winter C. G.
ALSO
Winter, Wm. J. dairy Farmer -Jindong
Sue
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Hmm, that's interesting Sue, I wonder who that William J is? At first I thought it might have been his brotehr William but then I remembered he went to Sth Africa, and I *think* died there, leaving his pressed cement business to his son.
Perhaps he's a grandson of Charles G's.
Thanks so much by the way for doing all this digging and looking for me, I'm very appreciative of your time and energy, especially as it's not your research. :)
Leigh
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Hello there Leigh
Ah yes found the marriage of john winter and frances oriel in 1864
on the 1871 census Amroth Narberth Pembrokeshire Wales
John Winter born 1836 Tenby Wales cabinet maker and grocer
Frances Winter born 1827 Narberth Wales grocer
Charles Gideon Winter born 1867 scholar
William Stephen Winter born 1868 scholar
John & Frances WINTER arrived in 1871 on ship Stonehouse as unassisted immigrants with two children Charles & William into Melbourne
so they would have left after the census they have stayed in melbourne for a while cause
frances has died in launceston tasmanina in 1890 and Charles Gideon has married there and had two boys by the index it only goes to 1899
CHARLES ROBERT born 13/7/1894 449/1894 rdg 33
NOEL STEPHEN born 26/1/1897 98/1897 rdg 33
BOTH BORN IN LAUNCESTON
The other Son John would have been born around 1900
regards jenn
ps link to Olympics games for John Winter born 1924 WA
http://www.olympics.com.au/games.cfm?GamesID=129
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WOW You've found their ship!! That's very cool... Old Charles' memory must've been a bit hazy by the time he wrote that letter, because it wasn't 1879 and nor was he 2 in 1871, he would've been 3-4 by then... but anyway, that sounds like them, how exciting!! And he went to school in Victoria.
I had estimated from his letter his mother died about 1891 (he being 24), and you've found her death in 1890 - interesting that they were already in Tas., it says he 'cut town life and took up land in Tasmania'... so they've moved out of Launceston onto the land probably.
It's making more sense, but I'm yet to confirm my William connection.
Leigh x
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hello there Leigh
yes the only way to definately know is to get his birth certificate from 1839 in TEnby will that have his mother and fathers name on it? do you know?
you would have to beleive it is the same family the sister eliza living with him and the aunt and uncle just about seals it ?
on the golden falcon site it has that bit about james william winter dying in south africa in 1867 well that can't be charles gideons brother William Stephen death because in the letter he justs says his brother William was in South AFrica when he John went there and then he also states that his brother William was a Quaker and that he died but dosent say whether it was South Africa or where?.
Anyhow I have got a bit more to add for the boys of Charles Gideon Winter which I will post up later
regards jenn
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Hi Jenn... yes I agree with you about the james william winter in Sth Africa, that doesn't really match up...
I know that MY William's father's name was William from his marriage certificate, but I don't know his mother's name, to confirm if it was Sarah, and I've still not found William and Sarah Matilda's marriage anywhere (would've been pre-1837) to check her surname, to see if it was Rogers... going round in circles a bit, I will have to try and order a certificate of some kind and wait... meanwhile I'm waiting to hear back from my relo's about William's death. Will update when I find out more. Thanks for your efforts!
L
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Well,
back to NAA we go for John's details and there they are.
He was born in launceston about Feb 1901
His mother liked ,at that time, to be known as Mary Ada and she lives at 16 Bennett St. Perth
Being underage, there is in the file a permission form signed by both parents on Jan 22nd 1917
He went to France and was discharged in 1919.
Sue
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It is interesting to see that John Alexander was a farm laborer.
That william J. I found living near Charles Gideon at Busselton, was a farmer,
It makes the 'grandson of Charles' idea a possibility???William John????
Sue
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Mmm..
Now I think maybe not.
Look at this
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran.asp?ServiceID=A&VeteranID=831801
Dates and birth places wrong
Sue
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Hey there Sue
maybe this chap is on the 12 turned into 13 on the vogae that the Rev Charles Herny Winter talks about?
or a descendant from that area? of Wales
regards jenn
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I haven't looked into the William J story at all but, from that service record Sue, you'd think it likely they'd be somehow related, maybe a cousin or soemthing of Charles? I haven't traced Joseph's path yet, I wonder if he might be William J's father... I'm just bearing in mind that Charles' grandfather wasnt' originally from Wales, so unless he had brothers and sisters move there too (which is possible, I haven't looked into that yet), most of his father John's cousins would've probably been born in Somerset?? Just a guess really...
Hope to find more time to look further down all these trails...
Leigh
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"Another interesting thing is timothy is at home till 1891 wales census but he ups and marries and changes occupation to a draper in 1901 ''
hi there I have made a mistake here TIMOTHY WINTER died 1895 in narbeth
have also corrected te birth year for elizabeth she was born 1841 midle name is rogers als0
sorry dont know where I was when I put this there
regards jenn
Hi Jenn... I've had another look at this - I think perhaps you may have had it right in the first place about Timothy - William and Sarah's Timothy did marry quite late in life and died not too long afterwards according to CGW's letter. The Timothy who died in 1895 *may* have been him, but I'm thinking it more likely that it was another Timothy, possibly William's brother. There was a Timothy born in 1829 in Brompton Ralph, Somerset, I don't know if he also went to Wales, but he has the same parents as a William Winter born there in 1815.... sorry, *baptised* in 1815 and 1829, not necessarily born then.
Do you have the original info that made you think he upped and married and changed his profession? What was the wife's name? Where did they go? Just that *MY* William (who we think/hope is Timothy's older brother) was a draper.
Which brings me to Elizabeth Rogers Winter... I don't think she was born in 1841. I think she's the one listed on the 1851 census as being 15, b. abt 1836, and that she was baptised later, at the age of 5 or 6. Of course I don't know what happened to her after 1851, I assume she'd have been married by the next census but to whom I have no idea.
What do you think?
L
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Hello there
"hi there I have made a mistake here TIMOTHY WINTER died 1895 in narbeth "
this chaps details have him born in 1848 so I feel sure it is him still cannot find the alledged marriage
on the 1851 census there was two daughters with a smiliar name
ELIZA WINTER aged 5
ELIZABETH WINTER aged 10 i think this ones middle name was rogers from the bdm
on the 1861 census eliza is 15 with the brother william
regards jenn
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Hmm, that's interesting... the information I've been given by 'Arranroots' on the Somerset board, from the 1851 census, is that Elizabeth was 15, not 10. I recall reading something about the ages in earlier censuses being rounded up or down to the nearest 5 with adults... not sure about at what age roughly that starts... I wonder if this would account for the discrepancy? If she was only born in 1841, it might explain why she wasn't on the census then! Not having seen the original scan of the 1851 record, I can't make up my own mind whether she's 10 or 15.
???
Leigh
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Hi All
I have searched most available cemetery info for Charles and Ada to no avail
However, here is some info re. John Alex. and Noel Stephen
John A Winter married Mabel P Carse in 1923 in Perth
Noel S. married Vera B Hennon in 1926 in Perth
John Alexander died 15/7/1986 and was cremated at Karrakata. He was from Subiaco
Wife Mabel died 1980. Is also cremated Karrakata. She was 80 yrs,
Noel Stephen died 1970 aged 73. He is at Fremantle Also there is Vera who died 1978. She was living at Como.
On my search I noted the following burial Winter William Sextus DALY from Belmont
Winter Robert Molaja Warner DALY from Rossmoyne.
Hope this is of interest.
Sue
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Hmm, that's interesting... the information I've been given by 'Arranroots' on the Somerset board, from the 1851 census, is that Elizabeth was 15, not 10. I recall reading something about the ages in earlier censuses being rounded up or down to the nearest 5 with adults... not sure about at what age roughly that starts... I wonder if this would account for the discrepancy? If she was only born in 1841, it might explain why she wasn't on the census then! Not having seen the original scan of the 1851 record, I can't make up my own mind whether she's 10 or 15.
???
Leigh
hello there Leigh
i must admit i have not seen that about rounding ages down or up it would not make sense at all you would think?
regards jenn
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Here's something I quickly found about rounding ages (down it says here), this is from scotland and about 1841 census:
(Bear in mind that enumerators in 1841 were instructed to round down all given ages of 15 and above to the nearest five (e.g. 28 should have been recorded as 25), If a person were lying about their age this, combined with the rounding down, can severely distort the actual age and send you off on a wild goose chase! Conversely, you may find that the rounding down instruction was not always strictly adhered to). http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?1260
but by 1851, they recorded the exact age:
"Each individual's exact age was also recorded (to the nearest year) rather than rounding adult ages down to the nearest five years" http://www.answers.com/topic/united-kingdom-census-1851
L
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hello there L
very interesting glad to see it was changed for the 1851 onwards what confusion
regards jenn
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Hi All
I have searched most available cemetery info for Charles and Ada to no avail
However, here is some info re. John Alex. and Noel Stephen
John A Winter married Mabel P Carse in 1923 in Perth
Noel S. married Vera B Hennon in 1926 in Perth
John Alexander died 15/7/1986 and was cremated at Karrakata. He was from Subiaco
Wife Mabel died 1980. Is also cremated Karrakata. She was 80 yrs,
Noel Stephen died 1970 aged 73. He is at Fremantle Also there is Vera who died 1978. She was living at Como.
On my search I noted the following burial Winter William Sextus DALY from Belmont
Winter Robert Molaja Warner DALY from Rossmoyne.
Hope this is of interest.
Sue
Hi Sue, thanks for doing all that searching!! That's very interesting information about Noel and John, perhaps I can find some of their descendants! Although many of my questions seem to be getting answered right here on Rootschat which is wonderful, it might be nice to contact some distant relos :)
Leigh
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Re the rounding down.
Yes, it is true that 1941 in Eng, was taken down to the nearest 5 years for adults
Meaning if you were 34 you became 30
For children however it was precise[ in months too if under 1 year ]
In your case you should note it applied to people over 15
Look here
http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/topics/census_2.htm
Sue
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Thanks Sue, that's a much more concise informative site. As for Elizabeth... well if she was under 15, it would've stated her exact age and not rounded down to 10, so if it says 10, we can be sure it's 10. If she was over 15, it would've said 15, not 10. So thank you, that clarifies it :)
L
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Hello again
Sorry to be the cause of so much excitement while I was sleeping!
I have had another look at Elizabeth's age in 1851 and it could well be 10 (not 15). At first glance the long trailing edge looked like the 'cap' of the 5, but there is also a joining loop on the left, so 10 it is!
You are right that the 1851 did give precise ages (in theory!), so rounding should not be an issue.
Arranroots - off to the optician!!
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Hello all!
Jenn, I didn't see your part of the post about Timothy being b. in 1848 - it must be William's son then, and you're right about Elizabeth Rogers Winter as well, so thank you very much for finding all that info and clearing things up there. As for Timothy's marriage, well we've only got CGW's letter, who knows.
Arranroots, I'll update the other board with the new info - see what happens while you're sleeping! lol
L x
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hello there leigh
I have looked high and low for a marriage for timothy but no luck
he was single on the 1891 census then has deid in the first qtr of 1895 followed by his dad in the second qtr
regards jenn
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Hmm.. well it ties in with what CGW says about him and his father dying 'not long after' (the alledged marriage to this woman who supposedly takes over), but who knows... by then Charles was in Aust, maybe the story got mixed up somewhere along the line.
Thanks for having a look!
Leigh x
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I have just started looking into my family history and came across your post about Charles Gideon Winter. He was my great grandfather and Noel Stephen Winter was my grandfather.
You can find Charles and Adas burial details on
http://www.ozburials.com/CemsWA/Busselton/b_whisky.htm
I also have a pedigree and copies of other parts of the family tree , also photos that I can email copies of to you if you would like them.
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I am related to Ada Winter (nee Sleightholm), she was my great aunt. I would be interested to hear from anyone that has information about her and her husband Charles.
Ada was the 7th daughter of Robert and Jessie Sleightholm nee Laidlaw. Robert was a stone mason from Scarborough, he came to Tasmania, farmed and built bridges, a church and buildings. He married Jessie in Tasmania.
Ada came from a large family of 12. She was a school teacher as many of her siblings, she taught at St. Patricks River in Tasmania before her marrige to Charles. To my knowledge she was the only daughter to live in W.A.
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to Vallie: I have nothing at all about Ada, I'm sorry I can't help you there... but hopefully someone can, perhaps kelycarolynmac who is Ada's great grandchild has more info on that branch
to kelycarolynmac: I have tried contacting you via pm and email, I'd be happy to swap info :)
Leigh
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Thanks Leigh for your reply to my message.
Hope your research is going well.
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to Vallie: Charles and Ada were my great grandparents. I don't have a great deal of info on them but I do have some great pictures I can send you ::)
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The names outlined in this thread are very similar to a Winter family I have been looking at. Not directly the same family, but quite possibly related, so perhaps clues.
Charles Winter(1813-1894) married Emily Dorcas Gethin Norcott(1813-1902). She was of a landed gentry family from Buttevant, Cork, Ireland. These Norcott's had married in a few instances to Daly's of CastleDaly, Westmeath. Many of these Daly's went to Australia over time.
Most notably, there is a Noel Winter in this family. Noel was such a rare name in this time period that I think it is likely they are related to your Winter's.