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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: Cog on Saturday 12 August 06 23:41 BST (UK)
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I have just found out that my Grandfather was born in Borris in Ossory. Now...I was always told that he was born in Tipperary and recently a cousin says he was born in Co Laois. This probably sounds dim, but where is Borris in Ossory - Tipp. or Laois ? This is something I have just started as I have been concentrating on other branches in Clare. My Grandfather was James O'Grady and there are family connections to the names Dooley of Roscrea and Ryan. Any tips on the town would be gratefully received !!!! help !
Carol
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Hi Carol,
Type in
shanboe-Borris-in- 0ssery for and excellent site.
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Thanks for the reply, I will try it now, I think I have
sorted out where it is PARISH Aghaboe TOWNLAND
Borris in Ossory, BARONY (still blank) COUNTY Tippp
if anyone can tell me if I am still barking up the wrong tree please feel free !
Off to try this site - thankyou
Carol
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Hi Carol,
I have in my maternal line the Grady family of Ballaghmore... its a shot in the dark but I thought I would write to you as my grandfather Thomas O' Grady had a cousin James Grady who was known as Jim. From what I have learned from my mother our Jim Grady was probably born on the Grady farm located in Ballaghmore, County Laois. The closest town to Ballaghmore was Roscrea and Jim ended up marrying a town girl from Roscrea named Chrissy? They lived and raised their children in Roscrea one of whom was a son Thomas who moved to Clare and ran a carpet business (we think) If any of this sounds familiar I would love to exchange more information.
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Hi Mike
thanks for the reply and sorry for the delay have been away.
All I know of my Dads family was his father was named James aka "Jim" he was born in Borris in Ossory around 1898. They were farmers and also their cousins the Dooleys their farm being in Roscrea. My James married Anastacia Furlong from Wexford and they moved to Dublin where they raised their children. I have never known any of my dads side of the family only his siblings my aunts and uncles. Unfortunately my dad died 10 years ago and none of his brothers and sisters are living. My mum tells me that my dad used to go and stay on a farm as a teenager with his brother Brian in Roscrea (the Dooley farm) but they didn't like it there as it was so isolated, this would have been around early 1940's. I am also told that one of Jims sisters married a Ryan and they ran a pub in this area. One of Jims relatives emigrated to america, I am told by a cousin to Conneticut. So you can see I have my work cut out for me with such a lack of information, so every little helps, thanks again
Carol
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Hi Mike
Did you receive my PM, reason I ask is I have had a returned failed e-mail from an address I dont recognise, so I dont want to open it and was wondering if it was the mail I sent you on Tuesday.
Another snippet while I am about it, you are right about the name Ned Dooley, my mom confirmed it today, I previously said it was Dan, she also says that she is not 100% the Dooleys were cousins of the O'Gradys and that they may have been related by marriage. The plot thickens as my mom tells me she thinks my Dads Grandfathers name was Thomas ! I am desperately trying to get my grandfathers birth/baptism details to see who the parents were, I am still trying to find out which church it could have been, I have to be careful because I could end up with your "Jim". I will await your reply before I try your mail address again i case I have it wrong somehow
Carol
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PM sent offlist.
Mike
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hi Mike
did you receive my last pm, I received your new mail address and sent you a message on that new address. Realise you have been real busy with moving and but just wondered what had happened to you. Best wishes to my distant relatives for Christmas
Carol
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Hello
I am descended from John Ryan and Eleanor Dooley. I only recently found out this info, they were my G grand parents. They lived in Scotland when my Grandfather James was born. What intrigues me is where my name Anastasia comes from i know i am of Irish decent and that the name is a family name - could any one have information to share.
Thanks
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Hi Stasia
The name is in my family also. I am told that I have connections with Ryan and Dooley, my family name is O'Grady. The Ryan and Dooleys I am connected with are from Laois and Tipperary, but how we are connected I dont know for sure yet. My grandmother was Stasia, by aunt and I also have a cousin with the same name. I have found although it is an unusual name in looking through census pages have found it to be quite a popular name during the early 1800's. Will keep you in mind as I the search goes on ! best of luck
Carol
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Hello Carol
Pleased to meet you. Thank you for your reply I also had an Aunt Stasia (my mothers sister) and i believe 2 cousins in the USA called Stasia but i have never had any contact with them. As names are passed down and around in Irish families i would take a guess that we have a connection - I'll keep looking.
Kind Regards
Stasia
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Just browsing through the archives and found this old thread.
I have an Aunt (my Mother's sister) who was married to a Patrick (Paddy) O'Grady from Ballaghmore. She still lives on the family farm with one of her sons. She would now be in her mid-80's, her maiden name was Maureen Seymour, from Cloncully, which is about 3 miles from Ballaghmore. The Seymour family were also related to "Dooleys".
My Mother also had an Aunt Stasia, who lived in the U.S.!!!
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Hi Blackbird
Have not had a look at my O'Gradys for a while, but now have a renewed interest ! I will be taking out my "stuff" this weekend and will take a look at what I have collected, will report back my findings of anything new, need to get stuck into this one :)
Carol
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Well whaddayaknow ... like Stasia, my great great grandmother was Eleanor Dooley, and my great great grandfather was John Ryan. They were married in Kill, Co Waterford, a bit further away from Tipperary. They were married in 1860, and a few years thereafter moved to England, ending up in Greenock, Scotland. He had as occupation Copper miner.
Any leads or any bells??
All info GREATLY appreciated, as I am facing a brick wall here in trying to trace them :)
Kathy
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I have just found out that my Grandfather was born in Borris in Ossory. Now...I was always told that he was born in Tipperary and recently a cousin says he was born in Co Laois. This probably sounds dim, but where is Borris in Ossory - Tipp. or Laois ? This is something I have just started as I have been concentrating on other branches in Clare. My Grandfather was James O'Grady and there are family connections to the names Dooley of Roscrea and Ryan. Any tips on the town would be gratefully received !!!! help !
Carol
Borris in ossory is a parish in Laois on the border with Tipperary .it has not been part of Aghaboe parish since the 1850s.
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Hi JJ
Thanks for information on the parish. Recently on the 1901 census I found a family in which the son Patrick is the right age. The address is Ossory, Roscrea, house No 7 Cloonagh. Im wondering if this could be the right family.
Carol
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Hi to everyone in this thread ....its been some time !
On the eve of the anniversary of my Dads passing I realise that I have not made enough effort in my research of his family. We all seem to have a connection and just wondered if I posted it coud re-awaken our iterests and see if any other information has come to light since our last postings. I did find out from my Grandfathers marriage certificate that his Dads name was Patrick O'Grady/Grady and he was a farmer. I am at the moment going through my notes and will post anything else I come across later tonight. Hope your all still around as I really would love to move on a little further with this . Happy New Year ;)
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A couple of headstone records from Ballaghmore graveyard. Do not go back far enough, but there might be a connection somewhere along the line;
Joseph O Grady; Ballaghmore
28/12/1969 (73) (1896)
son-William;
27/10/1987 (55) (1912)
his wife-Lena;
30/11/1995 (81) (1914)
his grandson-Joseph;
27/4/1996 (23) (1973)
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Denis Dooley; Cloncourse Ballybrophy
12/7/1976 (59) (1917)
wife-Margaret;
19/10/1979 (64) (1915)
his bro-Thomas;
28/10/2003 (91) (1912)
erected by dtr-Elizabeth
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Michael Dooley; Green Roads Ballybrophy
9/9/1969 (69) (1900)
wife-Elizabeth; 10/6/1988 (85) (1903)
their grand-dtr-Mon...?
erected by their son Patrick
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Anne Dooley; The Park
14/6/1952
hus-James Edward;
Interred in Kyle
their family;
Julia; 29/12/1968
Patrick; 24/4/1972
Edward; Cloononaugh;
16/4/1973
James; 20/2/1986
Mary;
11/1/2004
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Kyle Graveyard Borris-in-Ossory
Margaret Dooley; Neilstown
20/9/1972
hus-James;
8/9/1922
dtr-Maureen;
18/12/1932
her bros-in-law;
Timothy & Pierce Dooley
his sis-in-law; Johanna & Bridget Dooley
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John Dooley; Rock Road
23/11/1940 (78) (1862)
wife-Margaret (nee Doyle)
14/10/1940 (77) (1863)
their family;
Margaret Quill;
2/5/1940 (39) (1901)
her son-Oliver;
13/9/1970 (50) (1920)
his dtr-Susan;
13/5/1949 (7) (1942)
John Dooley;
15/11/1980 (89) (1891)
wife-Mary (nee Reidy);
14/5/1983 (76) (1907)
their son-Sean;
22/10/1982 (50) (1930)
wife-Mollie (nee Yates)
5/8/2009 (71) (1938)
erected by Mary Dooley Townspark Borris-in-Ossery
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Thomas O Grady; Clonoonaugh
12/2/1955 (80) (1875)
wife-Sarah;
13/10/1959 (84) (1875)
dtr-in-law; Margaret
27/8/1947 (32) (1915)
her hus-Thomas O Grady;
3/5/1991 (88) (1903)
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Jack
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Thank you Jack :) some really interesting names there, Margaret keeps coming up time and time again....My Mom said that my Dad and his youngest brother used to visit the farm of the Dooleys when they were teenagers from Dublin, he fondly talked of Peg Dooley which Im guessing would be the shortend name of Margaret . I will take all these names down as they are all in the right area. I have just spent an hour travelling along the google maps of Borris up to Ballaghmore and Roscrea and passed a few buildings that could be connected, I remember my Dad telling me that they got bored when visiting there as it was only one road ....I can see what he means now, so different when you can just hop into a car ! I may have found something on the 1901 census , a Patrick Grady aged 71 , a farmer with wife Margaret aged 56 , children Anna, Patrick John and Daniel aged between 14 - 24 . The address on the cenus is Ossory , Roscrea, House 7 in Cloonagh....this could possibly be my Great Grandfather ....if I could be sure of the wifes name ....being my Grandads Mom ! I have sent for a birth cert. which may or may not be my Grandads born in 1884 borris in ossory but registered in Roscrea, will have to wait and see when it arrives. Thanks again Jack :)
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Ooh Jack ! just noticed one of the addresses says cloonagh !!
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Hi There,
this is a stab in the dark, but my grtx3 Grandmother was a Hanorah Dooley. I cannot find a birth record for her but her census record whilst married in Dublin shows her as being born in Tipperary, I was wondering if you have any records of her in your files? she was supposed to be born in or around 1847.
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Sorry :( I don't have the name Hanora or Hanoria in any of my records. Did you try tracing through her marriage ?
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Hi!
Thanks for your quick reply,
I have delved a bit further, i got her marriage cert which states her father's name as Jerimiah, (sic) and so i have pinpointed them down to a family that lived in the Roscrea area, going from land records. I then found a census with Jerimiah living in a place called Cumber in Kinnitty, which is now called Ballybritt, Co. Offaly, but as you can see from the proximity from Roscrea to the county borders, my search is proving difficult! lol Jeremiah was born in 1812 and his father John is listed on the census as being born in 1781 and his wife Sarah (nee Carrol) was born in 1782. Sarah's mother is fortunately listed as the "mother in law" on the census giving the Carrol name. but Hanorah's birth record is still alluding me!
Mentioning the Carrol's, Have you seen the literature on the relationship between the Dooley's and Carrol's? its a very good read. If true, and all dooley's are related to Carrol's, our ancestor signed the declaration of independence!
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Hi
My Dooleys are also from Roscrea , I know they had property in Roscrea town one being a hotel type building and also a shop . I havnt read the literature on the Carrols would be interested , where did you find it ? I am going to try and send you a PM where you may find further help .
Carol
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Sam, what was Hanorahs married name ???
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Hi carol, her name would be sweetman, living in dublin married to peter
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Hi, at first I though you might be related but not. Thomas Dooley might of been related to your dooleys not sure but he married Frances Ryan, her first name really was Teresa but always called Frances. Lots of my cousins used the second name as their first so when you are searching try to just put in the last name you might get luck. Of course there are lots of dooleys and Ryans listed for Laos which is Queens county. Tipperary is in Kings county.
My cousin Marian Dooley owns the Birr House it is a Historic building she is married but not sure if she would want me to post her name here. I can see if she knows if the Dooleys you are searching is related. Roscre is the town where they live. Mary Martin
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Quote ...."Tipperary is the Kings County"
No Tipp is Tipp!
Kings County is now Offaly.
But I Know it can be very confusing when boundaries have changed. :)
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Thanks for the reply Mary, yes please if you wouldn't mind asking her any bit of information is appreciated . Thanks again :)
Carol
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Hi, I sent Marian a email not sure when she will reply she takes awhile to answer she is busy and takes care of our Aunt who is in nursing home. The Dooley could of been related to her father.
Dooley's could be related to Marian not sure but I emailed her, she takes awhile to answer as she is very busy. so it could take awhile.
the Ryan male might of been related to our grandfather.
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Thanks you Mary , very kind of you . Will wait and see . :)
Carol
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hi
I've just just been browsing this site and think that I've got answers to the O'Grady/Dooley/Ryan conundrum. My data generally fits with information provided by you and is as follows:
Back in the day, A Margaret Sweeney married Patrick O'Grady from Kyle, Ballaghmore. They had 9 children for which I have records, one being James born 1884. A sister, Margaret, born 1880 married James Ryan. Margaret Sweeney had a sister called Catherine who married John Dooley from Butterisland near Coolrain, Co Laois. Ballaghmore, Butterisland and Borris-in-Ossory are all quite near each other.
I hope this will be of assistance to you.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
A sister, Margaret, born 1880 married James Ryan.
Link to the marriage of Margaret O'Grady to James Ryan on 1st September 1909 in Ballaghmore RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10028/5647884.pdf
This presumably is the townland of Kyle in Kyle civil parish.
https://www.townlands.ie/laois/clandonagh/kyle/kyle/kyle/
KG
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yes,
that's Margaret O'Grady's and James Ryan's marriage cert.
This is the townland of Kyle in the parish of Kyle.
Indeed, I notice that a sister of Margaret and James married a James Dooley who was also from Ballaghmore in 1904. I haven't established a connection between this James and John Dooley from Butterisland who married Catherine Sweeney.