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Title: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: paulbarrett1984 on Monday 14 August 06 12:27 BST (UK)
I've got these two certificates, of Siblings George & Jane Cushing.
Just need a second set of eyes reading Mothers maiden surname. I thought it was 'Couzins', when I got Janes cert, but on George's it looks like 'Caufiens?'

Can anyone give me their opinion on what it says? Ta.
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: paulbarrett1984 on Monday 14 August 06 12:29 BST (UK)
Don't know WHY i'm talking about Jane! Jane doesn't exsist! It's Anna i'm on about!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: yn9man on Monday 14 August 06 18:14 BST (UK)
My eyes plus bifocal glasses would guess "Coussins" on the cert for Anna. Would guess "Caussins" on the cert for George.

yn9man
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: avm228 on Monday 14 August 06 18:18 BST (UK)
They look like variant spellings of Cousins to me.  FreeBMD has a marriage of a Francis Cushing, Greenwich Jun 1846 - and on the same page is a Phoebe Cousins.

Anna :)
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 14 August 06 18:20 BST (UK)
Marriages Jun 1846
Cousins  Phoebe    Greenwich  5 318   
Cushing  Francis      Greenwich  5 318   
Magill  Elizabeth     Greenwich  5 318   
Pope  William     Greenwich  5 318   
SURRIDGE  Sarah     Greenwich  5 318   
TAYLOR  Thomas     Greenwich  5 318   
TOMKINS  Margaret     Greenwich  5 318   
WILLIAMS  George     Greenwich  5 318



whoops - all behind  :-[
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: paulbarrett1984 on Monday 14 August 06 18:23 BST (UK)
Thanks everyone.

I wonder if that is their marriage. :-s

Wonder why they got married in Greenwich??
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 14 August 06 18:58 BST (UK)
cant find them in 1851 ?
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: paulbarrett1984 on Monday 14 August 06 19:02 BST (UK)
Nope, although I found what I presumed to be Francis's first wife in Blakeney.

Not so sure it is his first wife though.
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 14 August 06 19:07 BST (UK)
nor 1841 !

There are a small tribe of Cushings in Greenwich in 1851 ... headed by a Norwich born Robert ...
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: paulbarrett1984 on Monday 14 August 06 19:09 BST (UK)
Hmmm..

Is there a Susan living with them?
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 14 August 06 19:14 BST (UK)
No ..... wife Elizabeth, kids Robert, Caroline & Emma - it might be CushingS or CushingE
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: paulbarrett1984 on Monday 14 August 06 19:18 BST (UK)
Think I'll order that certificate to see if it leads anywhere. Hopefully occupation will be pilot or mariner.
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: teddybear1843 on Monday 14 August 06 22:41 BST (UK)
Hi there

I have been looking at this and found one or two things, which you probably already have but here goes anyway:




In 1851 there was a 58 year old widow, Phoebe Cousins who was living with Joseph & Jane Easthill.  She was his sister in law.

In 1832 Joseph Easthill married Jane Hinson
In 1822 Stephen Cousens married Phoebe Hinson


In 1881 we see;
Blakeney, Francis Cushing  60  Pilot
                Ellen                    34
                Anna                    16

Wells,Joseph Easthill     75
         Jane                      72





In 1851 we see, in Blakeney
Elizabeth Cushing 29
Ellen                      4
Harriet                   3
Phoebe                  10 (I suggest perhaps 10 months)





In 1861 we see, in Blakeney;
Francis Cushing 40
Phoebe              39
Ellen                   14
Harriett               12
William                5
Henry                  2
George                2 months

We also see a Sarah Cushing who is put down as "Mistress" to John Wordingham and there are children too!






In 1871 we see, in Blakeney;
Francis Cushing  49
Phoebe               49
Ellen                   24
William               15
Henry                 13
Walter                 7
Anna                    6
Susan                 81 (Mother)


This all makes a lot of sense to me and suggests a few more avenues to follow.


The marriage of 1846 doesn't seem to fit as Francis & Phoebe appear to have married between
1851 and 1856.

Well worth a look at the Blakeney Parish Registers for the marriage and for the burial of Elizabeth and the young Phoebe too.


Best of luck

Teddy
In good old Norfolk. ;)
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: Necromancer on Tuesday 15 August 06 08:40 BST (UK)
Are you suggesting that Elizabeth Cushing in 1851:-

In 1851 we see, in Blakeney
Elizabeth Cushing 29
Ellen                      4
Harriet                   3


has morphed into Phoebe by 1861, and brought her daughters Ellen & Harriet to the relationship with Francis Cushing ?

In 1861 we see, in Blakeney;
Francis Cushing 40
Phoebe              39
Ellen                   14
Harriett               12



Given the age of the next child - William (5) in 1861, this suggests Francis & Phoebe 'started' no later than 1856 ?

I see your logic; would be happier if Francis could be found in 1851 and 1841 (his mother Susan should be the clue ...)

Dont follow the highlighting of the 58 year old Phoebe Cousins from the 1851 (sis-in-law) tho ? Are you suggesting a link from her to the 29 year old Elizabeth Cushing ?

Good stuff tho, as you say - food for thought !
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: teddybear1843 on Tuesday 15 August 06 19:49 BST (UK)
Hi

No, I suggest there is a distict possibility that Elizabeth died between 1851 and 1855 when it is quite possible that Francis & Phoebe married.

Francis was very likely at sea in 1851 as Elizabeth was married.

The highlighting of Phoebe Cousins and the fact that she was living with Jane, her sister, was simply that your Phoebe (Cushing) Cousins could, quite easily be this woman's daughter and if, when you find Phoebe and Francis's marriage, you find that Phobe's father is Stephen Cousins, you have a lot of extra information to go on.

I find this family history lark, a very complicated knot untying process.  The more branches you have, the tighter the knot, but at the end it is just sooooo satisfying!

Teddy
 ;)

Obviously these are just ideas that are well worth checking.  Try free BMD for burials of an Elizabeth and a Phoebe Cushing between 1851 and 1861. 
Title: Re: Second set of eyes need please
Post by: teddybear1843 on Tuesday 15 August 06 20:18 BST (UK)
Hi again

In 1841 there was a Susannah and William, aged about right but no son Francis.  the copy of the census that I have on cd is pretty bad!

Teddy
 ;)