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I'm trying to trace my great grandfather, Daniel Alexander MacGregor, who was born in Resolis in 1853, the son of John MacGregor and Ann Ross. He was a blacksmith who later moved to the Shetland Islands and married Elizabeth Sinclair. Any info anyone might have would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Sheila
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hi pal,
i have had no luck with your daniel, can you post the census details you have for him, in the hope to trace him.
also in the igi's he does not show up with his 2 brothers, john and david?
john married ann ross inverness 15/9/1842
macgregor children:
john...24/8/1843
david...25/11/1856
can anyone find them on the 1861 census along with daniel?
always searching
Joe
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Thank you for replying. It's been so long, I'd forgotten I'd posted this query.
I haven't been able to find a marriage for John and Ann in ROC, but if they married in Inverness, that would explain it
I think I phrased my query badly (although I had only been doing research a few weeks at the time); it wasn't Daniel I was searching for, so much as his parents and siblings. My biggest stumbling block was their marriage, so thanks for the info on that. It fills in a blank spot.
They are on all of the censuses, in Jemimaville, on the Black Isle. Daniel was apparently known as Donald by everyone.
Are you researching the family as well?
Sheila
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hi pal,
good news you found what you are looking for, i am only trying to help my friend.
do you have the details of john macgregor to get back a litlle further in your research?
trying to help
Joe
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Thanks for your offer of help. Through Scotlands People, I found that John's parents were John McGregor and Margaret Munro, who married in Knockbain in 1816. I'm now trying to find the next generation back.
Sheila
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Hi Sheila44,
Have just seen your message and just registered with rootschat, so I hope you get this message.
I am doing family tree for John McGregor and I think we are connected to the same family.
This is the history of my John McGregor.
John McGregor (a blacksmith) married Ann Ross and lived in Jemimaville, Black Isle. They had children - John, George, Don, Jessie and David. (I see that the Daniel you are searching is also known as Donald). This information is from 1851 Census for Jemimaville.
They later moved to Upper Cullicudden.
John (son) left Scotland and moved to Australia where he married and lived in Gympie. I am related to this John McGregor.
I have been trying to search what happened to the rest of the family and if you are related to John McGregor and Ann Ross through Daniel (aka Donald) you may be able to fill in some gaps.
Through some other information obtained from family, it looks as though Jessie came out to Australia for a wedding as she was a witness to a marriage certificate. I cannot locate her after this time. She may have returned to Scotland. However my father recalls an Aunt Jess, who he thought was his pop's sister (this fits in) and he thought she married in Gympie. I am having trouble locating marriage certificate for this event but will keep searching.
Please respond and let me know if I can be of some help in letting you know all about the John McGregor ancestors.
Jan
PS. By the way my John McGregor's parents were married in Knockbain.
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Hi Sheila,
Thought I would let you know that I found information that John McGregor and Ann Ross were married in Rosemarkie.
Jan
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Hi Sheila,
Noticed that Joe had replied with a date for marriage of John and Ann McGregor for Inverness, 15th September, 1842. This date is more in keeping with John's birth in 1843. Thanks, did not find this entry in searches.
John and Ann McGregor are in the 1871 census but in the area for Cullicudden (Ross & Cromarty), west of Jemimaville.
Have you searched the 1851 census and noticed that Ann Ross' mother (Isabella Bain Ross) was living with them in Jemimaville?
Hoping to hear from you soon.
Jan
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Hi, Jan, it looks like we are definitely related. I'm at work, so I don't have access to my research, but I'll be in touch tonight with what I've got. Through Scotlands People and the census, I've been able to fill in some of the blanks. I did find Isabella Bain and I have some info on her family. I've only just started looking at the Australian connections. Did John marry a lady with the last name of Blaik? I have them as having a large family, and I've been trying to fill in the blanks there. I've been looking for Jessie as well, although I think her first name may have been Jemima. I've got death dates for both John and Ann, and some info on David, who stayed in the family home with his widowed father, then married later in life. He was a blacksmith as well. George is another mystery.
I'd love to share information with you on the family.
Sheila
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This is what I have found so far for John and Ann:
John McGregor (the oldest records often spell the name as McGrigor): b.25 Jan 1817, Knockbain, d.8 April 1904, Resolis, the son of John McGregor and Margaret Munro.
He married Ann Ross 15 September 1842, in Inverness. (Thank you Joe!) (Inverness is a short ferry ride from North Kessock, where I believe John's parents and siblings were living. There is a family with names that fit, in the various censuses).
Ann was born about 1815 (based on her death certificate. I have not found a birth or baptismal record for her), and died 23 February 1899, Resolis. She was the daughter of Isabella Bain and Donald Ross.
David McGregor lived with his widowed father at Fearn Cottage, Cullicudden and he was a blacksmith as well. He married Harriet McDonald on 4 June 1909, Resolis, and died 22 August 1933, Resolis.
Donald McGregor moved to the Shetland Isles, then to Glasgow, finally retiring in Kilmarnock, where he died 26 Aug 1929. His wife, Elizabeth Sinclair, d. 17 September 1926.
The challenge now is to keep tracing the generations back.
Isabella Bain's parents were Donald Bain and Janet Davidson, but I have no definitive info on who her husband's parents were.
John McGregor's maternal grandparents were John Munro and Isabella Davidson, but I haven't found his father's parents. With a name like John McGregor, there are just too many options.
Hope this helps.
Sheila
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Hello Sheila44
I believe we share great-grandparents. Iam currently having my geatgrandparents' headstone re-lettered and was searching for dates of birth when I saw your merssage.
Donald and Elizabeth were the parents of Sheila (my grandmother). Jermima Ann (named after Jemimaville ) and, I believe, a son called Tom who emigrated to Canada. I was named Sheila MacGregor after my grandmother and perhaps you were named after her too, if you are the grandaughter of the missing Uncle Tom!
If you would like further info., just contact me. In particular if you have Elizabeth Sinclair's year of birth, this would be helpful. I attach a picture of the headstone in Kilmaurs
Sheila33
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Here is the attachment.
Sheila33
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Third time lucky!
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Another Sheila! How wonderful. Yes, I was named after my Grandmother, Sheila MacGregor. I haven't come across any Toms yet, but Sheila and Jemima (who was known as Minnie) had a brother named John who was still alive as of the 1901 census. But I haven't been able to track him down. It was my father who emigrated to Canada, and I know that Jemima and Charles had a son that emigrated to South Africa, both in the 1950"s, but I've lost touch with them as well.
Thank you for the picture of the headstone. I remember being taken to see it while on a holiday in Scotland about 25 years ago. I'm glad that it is being looked after now.
I have Elizabeth Sinclair's birth date as 23 Nov 1857 in Setter, Shetland.
Thanks for getting in touch. Genealogy is a great way to connect with family you didn't even know you had.
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My husband John Macleod (formerly of Inverness) is descended from Malcolm McDonald, sibling to Henrietta (Honey/Harriet) McDonald, who married David McGregor in Cullicudden, Resolis, R. & C. I have information about this generation and below -but am actually seeking further information re at least previous two generations.
Henrietta's parents were Murdoch McDonald, House Carpenter/cartwright, b. 1821 of Glen Urquhart, and Christina (Christy) Urquhart, of Ferrintosh, b. 1822.
Murdoch also had a brother WILLIAM HUGHIN MCDONALD, b. 1826 Urquhart.
Murdoch's parents were MALCOLM MCDONALD b. 1795 House Carpenter (Lewiston?) (deceased by 1874), marr. as Widower on 1 Jan. 1820 to MARY MCKENZIE b. 1799, Urquhart, Killearnan Parish, R. & C. Unable to find any further knowledge of these two generations. Can anyone help please? Ruth Macleod, in Australia :D
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Hi Ruth and Sheila!
I notice someone mentioned David McGregor b.1856 who married Harriet (Henrietta) McDonald b.1855 in 1909.
Has anyone discovered if they had any children?
Stephen MacDonald
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Stephen, what a coincidence that this popped up shortly after our email exchanges. :) Given that Harriet and David were both in their mid 50's, I don't expect that there were any children.
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Duh! The obvious eluded me. But hey, you never know, they may have been frisky! No TV in those days.
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hi there,
just joined am amateur my grand father was john who emigrated to australia
married mary blaik had 8 children 4 boys 4 girls was a gold miner at gympie
my dad was the youngest boy we must be related the grandfather was a blacksmith in jemmimaville cant be just a coincedence grandfather is listed as a blacksmith in marriage cert. it cant be just a coincidence greatfather john was
buried at cullicudden by his son david in 1904 aged 92 i would just love to have apicture of his gravestone but i cant seem to get in touch with anyone there i think davids son is daniel resolis any further info would be welcome
hi second or third cousin wonderful isnt it the world is really a small place i am not young myself best wisheshope to hear from you
thomas mac
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Interested in your post.
I am interested in David McGregor who was married to Harriet McDonald in 1909 in Cullicudden. Do you have any information on this sibling? My husband is descended from these McDonalds of Resolis, Ross & Cromarty.
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Thomas, it sounds like your Grandfather was the older brother of my Great Grandfather, Donald McGregor. I was told that his wife's name was Elizabeth Blaik, and that they had 8 children who lived to adulthood, and another boy who died age 11. It definitely sounds like the same family. I've been trying to piece together what I can of this branch, mainly from Queensland records that are online, but I may have some errors.
John McGregor and Ann Ross had 6 children that I'm aware of: John James, George, Jemima, Donald, Jessie and David, although I only have info on John, Donald and David. The other 3 are a mystery. I can't help you with the gravestone, but I have traced the family back a few generations in Scotland if you are interested.
By my reckoning, we are 2nd cousins, once removed!
Sheila
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Been reading these messages since they started in 2006. It's great to see everyone working together and pieces of additional information added with each subsequent response. Wish I was having as much luck with my McDonald branch which my Cousin, Ruth (RSMACL) in Australia, asked about last week.
Was comparing the info on my tree as I read through each of your messages and not sure if I have names, dates, etc that might help but here goes anyway. A few questions too:
Daniel/Donald b.1853. What name is on the birth certificate?
John MCgregor and Margaret Munro. Married 5 Jul, 1816.
SHELIA44:
You had listed 5 kids for John M. and Ann Ross, thinking Jessie and Jemima were the same person. I have Jessie b.1854 and Jemima 1851.
John M. and Ann Ross are shown as married in Inverness AND Rosemarkie in different messages. Has anyone seen the marriage certificate to know for sure?
Elizabeth Sinclair middle name is Mary b.23 Nov 1857, Setter, Shetland Isles.
SHEILA33:
In your 10 Sep 2007 message you mention Donald and Elizabeth's kids. Sheila Margaret and Jemima Ann which I agree. I have no record of a Tom though. BUT I do have a John b.9 Oct 1881. But nothing other than that. AND I have the TWO William Sinclairs (1885-1895 and 1895-1896).
SHEILA33:
The Tom you thought emigrated to Canada, could this be the John b.1881 I can't find anything on?
SHEILA44:
In your 10 Sep, 2007 message. That's the John b.1881 I mentioned above. Any luck finding him yet?
Your Father - his name? When did he emigrate to Canada (195_)?
Jemima and Charle's Son, do you have a name (______ Thompson) and birthdate?
THOMAS MAC:
When did John emigrate? John James M. and Elizabeth Blaik I have with 9 kids. 5 Boys and 4 girls. Are you missing John James M 1881-1892?
Do you know when John George and George James died and where?
What was your Father's name (George James b.1899)?
I have your GGF John's birthdate as 25 Jan 1817 and died at 87 (not 92) on 8 Apr, 1904 - do you concur?
Did I read right - you believe David b.1856 had a Son, Daniel? David and Harriett married in their mid-50's. Do you have any documentation of a birth to David?
Hope I have been of some help to you. Look forward to hearing back with anything you may have.
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I've been trying to fill in the gaps, but no luck with some of the branches. I haven't been able to track down John McGregor after the 1901 census; the name is just too common and brings up too many hits on Scotlands People. It is possible that he did emigrate. My father's name was Benjamin, and his cousin was Donald Thompson, but I have lost touch with that branch of the family. I believe Donald died about 10 years ago, but he may still have childten in South Africa.
As to Donald/Daniel McGregor, he is listed as Daniel on my Grandmother's marriage certificates, but Donald on his gravestone, so it might be that he was christened Daniel, but known as Donald to his family. I haven't found his birth registration yet.
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Hi everyone
Been following this thread with interest as many of my ancestors came from the Resolis area, although I don't think my family are connected to those in this thread.
However, I would like to offer one piece of info. I notice there's a bit of debate about the name Donald or Daniel. Several of my Easter Ross ancestors (and over the course of several generations) were christened Donald but were known to all as Danny.
Could this explain your Daniel/Donald confusion? I suppose it's conceivable that registrars could have recorded an individual's name as "Daniel" in official records when they were informed that the individual's name was "Danny". A possibility perhaps?
Best wishes
Lynn
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Hi Lynn,
Thanks for your suggestion. I think anything is possible when it comes to Registrars! Ruth (RSMACL), my Brothers and I have been having a discussion about the Mc/Mac flip flop for some time now. I think we've come to the following conclusion:
My Brother - So while the scribe may have been hired for his (always his) ‘supposed’ ability to write, the people that he was writing about may not have been in any position to agree that what was written was correct – as far as they understood correct. If an X would be acceptable for many people then (and some people now) then a missing (or added) ‘a’ here or there could hardly have made much difference to their acceptance of the document.
There is still a place to ‘put your mark’ on the tax return.
Ruth - As so many of the early people couldn't both read or write, they couldn't spell out to the Enumerator their name, or then even read it to see if it was correct after it was written. That is also why they put :"X -Their Mark" for signing a document. They obviously wouldn't know what was written, but the Registrar (weddings, deaths, births, etc.) must have probably read it out aloud, and then the person signed with their 'Mark' to signify their assent. Their name would sound the same, however spelt.
Me - The Registrars did what they wanted (and thought was right) to do - no matter what was correct.
With respect to Daniel/Donald/Danny. Whatever the Parents said first is what he put down - without asking what name he was born with. We see this lack of attention to detail throughout the decades.
How about: Christine/Christina/Christy/Cissy all for one person!
Stephen
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As regards Donald a/k/a Danny. I don't know your particular MacGregors, but in our MacGregor a/k/a McGregor family, we have had a Donald in every generation since no later than 1831, each of whom is nicknamed Dan or Danny. My line has kept it that way, except that in the modern US the 'Dan' nickname has been used only within the family because it's too confusing otherwise. Some of the collaterals who are descended from our ancestors who migrated from Lewis in 1842 to Ontario, and then across lake Huron to Northern and Upper Michigan were gradually converted into Daniels, probably by local officials filling out birth and death certs with what they thought 'Dan' meant. As of now, there are about 5 'Dan M(a)cGregors' within 100 miles of here, including me, but the rest of them all ended up being named Daniel, and have not had the opportunity or enthusiasm to discover that their names are the result of repetitive typos. I would submit that any record of a 'Daniel M(a)cGregor' living in the Highlands should be provisionally suspect....
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My husband John Macleod (formerly of Inverness) is descended from Malcolm McDonald, sibling to Henrietta (Honey/Harriet) McDonald, who married David McGregor in Cullicudden, Resolis, R. & C. I have information about this generation and below -but am actually seeking further information re at least previous two generations.
Henrietta's parents were Murdoch McDonald, House Carpenter/cartwright, b. 1821 of Glen Urquhart, and Christina (Christy) Urquhart, of Ferrintosh, b. 1822.
Murdoch also had a brother WILLIAM HUGHIN MCDONALD, b. 1826 Urquhart.
Murdoch's parents were MALCOLM MCDONALD b. 1795 House Carpenter (Lewiston?) (deceased by 1874), marr. as Widower on 1 Jan. 1820 to MARY MCKENZIE b. 1799, Urquhart, Killearnan Parish, R. & C. Unable to find any further knowledge of these two generations. Can anyone help please? Ruth Macleod, in Australia :D
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I will commence this topic under new heading, in the hopes of catching someone's eye. Ruth
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Hi Sheila
Haven't had a chance to get back to the family tree for a while. We had a small reunion last weekend (the cousins from Archibald's side - John & Elizabeth McGregor's son) and I was wondering if you would possibly have any old photos of either your side of Daniel/Donald McGregor or any of his siblings.
I am still trying to track down Jessie/Jemima. There is a witness by the name of Jessie McGregor to my grandfather's (Archibald) wedding certificate (John & Elizabeth had Archibald who married Beatrice Maud Minnie Greentree).
If you have any old photos that would be great. I will send you shortly a photo of John McGregor & Elizabeth Blaik and children but I want to check that I have named the children in the correct order first.
Hoping to hear from you soon.
Janet
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Dear Janet,
I believe that your grandfather Archibald and my grandfather John were brothers, the sons of John McGregor and Elizabeth Blaik. Do you happen to have any information on when John arrived in Australia, and on what ship?
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Mary
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Hi Janet,
Great to hear from you. I'm unable to respond to you on page you sent your message. My grandfather was John George (three siblings in between him and your grandfather). I am in Queensland. Another means to share personal info would be very good.
Mary
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I'm trying to trace my great grandfather, Daniel Alexander MacGregor, who was born in Resolis in 1853, the son of John MacGregor and Ann Ross. He was a blacksmith who later moved to the Shetland Islands and married Elizabeth Sinclair. Any info anyone might have would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Sheila
sheila I know the person you know as your relative, my great grandfather lived with him at Culicudden where he died and was buried thereabouts, I know from my research that Daniel then moved to the shetlands but I cannot find where my greatgrandfather is buried, the name of where he lived in culicudden is in my records is as you state, my grandfather name is john mac cregor he came to Australia and worked the gold mimes at gympie, married had many children and I am one of the few ones left who is interested in the past. and of course they came from jemimaville further info would be appreciated please keep in touch George mc. they dropped the a thank you if you can help me.
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Hi George,
Welcome to RootsChat, hopefully Sheila will reply very soon.
Regards
Sarah
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sheila I know the person you know as your relative, my great grandfather lived with him at Culicudden where he died and was buried thereabouts, I know from my research that Daniel then moved to the shetlands but I cannot find where my greatgrandfather is buried, the name of where he lived in culicudden is in my records is as you state, my grandfather name is john mac cregor he came to Australia and worked the gold mimes at gympie, married had many children and I am one of the few ones left who is interested in the past. and of course they came from jemimaville further info would be appreciated please keep in touch George mc. they dropped the a thank you if you can help me.
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Hello, George,
My apologies for the delay, but this is not a board I have been on for years! Was your ancestor the John McGregor who married Elizabeth Blaik? I knew that one branch went to Australia, and mine went to Shetland. John and George's father, John, died in Cullicudden, so I assume he is buried in the local churchyard, but I can't say for sure. I checked his death certificate, but it doesn't provide any info on burial.
Kind regards,
Sheila