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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: Beckey on Wednesday 23 August 06 12:31 BST (UK)
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Am looking for any details on the following family.
1841 Gourdon,Bervie,Kinkardineshire.
Alexander Lownie 30 Whitefisher, Ann 30 (nee Gowan), David 12, Margaret 10, Ann 8, Christina 6, Andrew 4 Hugh 1. and Elizabeth b.1847.
Elizabeth married a Roderick Forsyth in 1867 at Benholm.
Any information appreciated.
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Hi Beckey,
Could you give me an idea of what you are trying to find ?
Marriages of Alexander & Ann's children ?
I have access to the Bervie Census for every ten years after 1841, and also the Bervie Parish Register.
Bervonian.
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Hi Bervonian,
Thanks for replying, what I am after is any info on Elizabeth Lownie and Roderick Forsyth.
Roderick was shown born Benholm ca.1843, parents John Forsyth & Mary Bain, they were shown 1841 in Cromarty and could have moved after that date.
Elizabeth shown born (IGI) ca.1847 Bervie, parents Alexander Lownie & Ann Gowan.
On Marriage cert. 9/11/1867 Johnsaven, Roderick age 24 Sacking Weaver living Johnsaven, Benholm (father dec.).
Elizabeth, Domestic age 20 living Gourdon, Bervie.
In 1881 the family (6 children) living Queen St. Bervie and that is as far as I have got at the moment, cost mounting up with "scotlandspeople".
The Forsyth side goes down through John 1868 to a marriage with Elizabeth Wait, my wife's aunt.
So any thing would be a help thank you.
Beckey
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alexander lownie born 2/5/1806 (son of alexander and ann gowan!!!)
ann gowan born 19/1/1807 (daughter of Alexander and Helen Kemlo)
married october 1827
lownie children from marriage:
margaret- 15/4/1831
annabella- 31/3/1832
andrew- 5/12/1836
hugh- 30/9/1840
twins- alexander & jane- 31/7/1843
elizabeth- 1847
john-1851
alexander lownie was born 12/8/1776 (son of david and mary jamie)
ann gowan was born 27/9/1780 (dau of alexander and isabella allan)
they married 28/7/1801
lownie children from the marriage
david- 20/3/1803
andrew-6/4/1805
alexander(yours)
ann- 3/6/1809
isabel- 21/2/1812
alexander-24/8/1813 (why 2 alexander's)
david(1803) married christian stewart and had a son david born 1/6/1825
alexander gowan married isabel allan on the 26/12/1767
gowan children from the marriage
james-1768
isabel-1770
lileas-1771
robert-1773
john-1775
john-1776
elizabeth-1778
anne-1780
margargret-1784
alexander gowan married helen kemlo
gowan children from the marriage
robert-24/3/1801
alexander-21/4/1803
helen-14/12/1804
ann-yours
david-8/9/1808
james-12/8/1810
hugh-12/1/1814
isobella-11/11/1817
margaret- 1820
Joe
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Hi Joe again,
That has filled a few more holes, thanks.
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Dear Joekar
While browsing through the Bervie stuff I came across your reply and was wondering if the Hugh Lownie 30/9/1840 might be the same Hugh that I have that married Isabel Grieve Mowat 2/12/1864. Although I have his birth date as 11/101840 that might in fact be his christening date. If this where the case I can see a lot more of this family linking to mine.
Donovan
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Hi Donovan.
I trawled through ScotlandsPeople and found that there were 5 Hugh Lownie deaths between 1866 and 1915. They are:
d. 1876 Bervie aged 1
d. 1886 Angus aged less than 1 year
d. 1899 aged less than 1 year
d. 1907 aged 25
d. 1915 Benholm aged 74
The last one may be the Hugh who married Isobel Grieve Mowatt.
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This is the Hugh that married Isabel Grieve Mowatt. I feel confident that the Hugh Lownie that you had as 30/9/1840 born to Alexander Lownie and Ann Gowan is in fact the same as mine and that my date of 11/10/ 1840 is rather the baptism date and not the birth date. It came off a piece of paper that was handed down through the family.
Donovan
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I am looking for the birth information of a William Lownie, who emigrated to the United States sometime around 1855-56. In the 1860 US census it states that he is age 29 (b 1931). In the 1870 census he is 43 (b 1827). The only information I have is the he came from Scotland.
His children were:
William Alexander
Elizabeth
Christina
Mary Ann
Michael
Ellen
Carrie
William Alexander's son was named Chester Alexander, causing me to think that Alexander may have been a family name, perhaps the father of William who emigrated??
Not much to go on, but wondered if anyone had access to census for perhaps the 1830s and 40s.
Christine
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Hi Christine. The 1841 Census of Forfar, Piece: SCT1841/288 has this:
Duke's Wood
George Lownie 34 Linen Hand Loom Weaver born Angus
Mary " 33 "
George " 6 "
David " 3 "
William " 10 months "
Agnes " 40 "
Bell Wood 10 Female Servant "
The Agnes Lownie aged 40 looks to be George's sister. The IGI has an extracted entry showing that a David Lownie and an Agnes Shepherd
had a son George Lownie born 24 Nov 1805, Forfar. I cannot find his parents marriage. Unfortunately I cannot follow them up in the 1851 Census as the ScotlandsPeople website is down at the moment.
Regards,
Isles.
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Thanks so much for the quick reply. That might be a bit late for William - his first son was born in 1856 in Philadelphia, but thena again, he might have married young.
Christine
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I have a Robert Lownie who married an Annie Munro and they would be born around the 1850s or 60s I think
Robert had a brother John and their Mother was Margaret Lownie
I can find no information on Margaret on who she was married to or if she was married.
She was from Gourdon or Bervie
If you can shed any light on the above I would be grateful
Perhaps the Bervonian can help ....how do I get in touch with him ?
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Hi Jamesgee
Welcome to RootsChat :)
This looks a possible for Robert's birth:
ROBERT LOWNIE Birth: 16 JUL 1858 in Bervie, Kincardine
Parents: MARGARET LOWNIE
JOHN CRUICKSHANK OR LOWNIE Birth: 29 OCT 1864 Bervie, Kincardine
Parents:JOHN CRUICKSHANK and MARGARET LOWNIE - the way John's entry has been written up would normally imply parents were not married.
There is a marriage showing for them later on 21 JAN 1865 in Bervie, Kincardine.
This looks like them in 1871:
John Cruickshank 37, farm servant, b. Glenbervie, Kincardine
Margaret Cruickshank 39, b. Bervie
John Cruickshank 6, b. Bervie
Isabella Simpson 7, daughter ? b. Fetteresso, Kincardine
William Simpson 6, son b. Fetteresso, Kincardine
Man Lees 34, servant b. Fetteresso, Kincardine
James S Lees 7, b. Montrose, Forfarshire
Address: Cottar House On Townhead, Arbuthnott, Kincardineshire
Where would Robert be I wonder?
Monica
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There is a birth of a Margaret Lownie at Bervie on 15 April 1831, the parents being Alexander Lownie and Ann Gowan.
Isles.
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Thanks Monica & Isles
I think this is probably the correct Robert Lownie although I have him as born 1855 but I can't remember where I got that from ....probably the marriage details ...he married an Annie Munro and I do not have a date for that either.
Perhaps I got the DOB from his son's birth details ( my Grandfather James Lownie ) ....that's more likely.
Monica, 1831 I assume is a census year and Robert would be 13 so perhaps he had left to work elsewhere ?
Thanks for the info on Margaret Isles ....is that as far back as records go ?
James
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one more detail ....I have in my documents a DOB for Robert Lownie as 17 Jul 1855...but this is so close I have to assume you have hit on the right one !
J
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Hi James. I downloaded the following marriage from ScotlandsPeople:
19 Jul 1871 at Paradise Road, Dundee. After banns according to the Forms of the U.P. (United Presbyterian) Church.
Robert Lownie, Seaman, M.S.(Merchant Service) aged 29 of Dudhope Road, Dundee. His parents, James Lownie, Iron Moulder (deceased) and Mary Webster (deceased).
Ann Munro, Cop Winder aged 27 of No.10 Dudhope Crescent, Dundee. Her parents, John Munro, Iron Moulder (deceased) and Catherine McGregor (deceased). Just to add -
Robert's parents were married 18 Sep 1842, Monifieth, Angus, and they also had children Mary McLeish Lownie 24 Sep 1844, Monifieth, and James Lownie 21 Aug 1846, Monifieth.
Isles (aka Bervonian)
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Thanks for that Isles
I may have been following back the wrong Robert Lownie
Perhaps I need to revisit starting with my father James Munro Lownie born 4/12/1909 in Dundee ...he had 2 brothers and 1 sister ( she died quite young )
Their Father was James Lownie and he married Mathilda May
J
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I can't have the correct Robert as born 1858. His marriage to Ann Munro shows in Dundee on 19 July 1871.
James, I agree, I think you might be going off track. Maybe the point to start at is with the marriage of James and Matilda, and with those parents' details from their certificate, work back to their parents' marriage. With James' parents showing potentially as 1871 in Dundee, there is this entry for example in 1891, all the family showing as born in Dundee:
Robert Lownie 48, AB seaman
William Lownie 20, Printers Clerk
James Lownie 15, Sailmakers Apprentice
Charles Lownie 11
Alexander Lownie 9
John Lownie 7
Margaret Gray 54, housekeeper
Address: 7 St Matthew St, Dundee
Monica :)
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The marriage certificate of James Munro Lownie and Mathilda May reads :
19 June 1907 at 5 Park Place, Dundee after Banns according to the United Free Church. James Munro Lownie, Confection? Packer aged 32 living at 43 Constitution Road, Dundee. His parents - Robert Lownie, Seaman and Annie Munro (deceased).
Mathilda Hermina ?? May, Jute Spinner aged 30 of 1 Harriet Street, Dundee. Her parents - Carl May, Shoemaker (deceased) and Mathilda ????
The witnesses were John Munro Lownie and Isabella MacKenzie.
Isles.
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Isles, apologies, completely missed your reply on the details of the 1871 marriage :P With that information and that 1901 census entry, this looks like Ann with children in 1881 - likely father off to sea I would imagine:
Ann Lownie 35, Seaman'S Wife, b. Glasgow
William Lownie 11
James Lownie 8
Charles Lownie 2
Address: 3 St Matthew St., Dundee
And the 1901 entry:
Robert Lownie 58, AB seaman
William Lownie 28, bookbinder
James Lownie 23, Sawmill Labourer
John Lownie 17, Linen Calender Hand
Address: 7 St Matthew St., Dundee
Monica :)
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thanks to both Isles & Monica ...I think I am on the right track now
Have to start over with the whole family tree !
Jamesgee
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I am trying to research Williamina born 18.11.1888/1889 who was born illegitimate to Margaret Ann Taylor who later married Alexander Lownie. Williamina's grandmother was Margaret Ritchie who married Alexander Taylor - have you any information on the Taylor or Ritchie family. My email address is (*)
Thanks in anticipation
helen ross
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hi helen
welcome to rootschat :)
this looks like the family in 1881
catterline , kinneff & catterline , kincardine
alexander taylor 41 fisherman b. kinneff
margaret ann taylor 34 b. bervie
margaret ann taylor 10 b. bervie
joseph taylor 8 b. kinneff
andrew taylor 5 b. bervie
alexander taylor 2 b. kinneff
ev
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Hi Ev
Thanks for the information my grandmother was Margaret Ann Taylor's daughter but on birth certificate it stated she was illegitimate and although I have the information on the Lownie family tree it would appear she may not have in fact been related to them.
She had quite a hard time one son dying age 13 after an op husband died from an op when he was 37 and another son died in the war age 22.
Have you any other information on the Taylor side of the family?
Helen
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My G x4 grandfather in my maternal line was
Alexander Freeman m. Elizabeth LOWNIE 28 Sept 1797
(in Gourdon) they had six children recorded in the BERVIE OPR
1. David 22 Oct 1797
2. James 17 Aug 1799
3. Christian 16 May 1802
4. Alexander 22 Nov 1804
5 & 6. Walter & Andrew 14 March 1808
I have my FREEMAN line back to 1681, happy to share other FREEMAN data.
Sandy P.
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I have a chart showing that Elizabeth Lownie married Alex Freeman and her father was David who married Mary Jeamie 8.10.1768 he in turn was the son of Andrew Lownie who married Katherine Beattie on 25.1.1740 son of Andrew Lownie born 1678 Benholm son of Andrew Lownie living in Motehill around 1678. If you want any other information on siblings let me know. helen ross
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Sorry interupted I would love to have more information on the Freeman line. Thanks. Helen Ross
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I have details of theLownie familygoing back to Motehill. Does anyone want the details?
Having more trouble in finding the Taylor familyespecially my grandmother Williamina who was the daughter of Margaret Ann Taylor cannot trace where she went after her birth. I have found a Hellen Taylor who had a "daughter" of the right age living in Stonehaven but don't known if the information is correct. Has anyone got information on the Taylors?
Helen Ross
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hi helen
don't know if you have possible taylors going further back ?
the alexander taylor age 41 on the 1881 census was possibly the son of
alexander taylor and ann hampton(can't see birth on IGI)
the census for kinneff & catterline 1841 and 1851 is on freeCEN website
ev
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helen
just wondering if alexander taylor death 1882 catterline kincardineshire
born c1839 is your alexander taylor(scotlandspeople)
ev