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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: custard_pot on Wednesday 30 August 06 22:47 BST (UK)
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I am hoping someone can help me get further with this family. I do have quite a bit but I want to do an in depth research on this family. The bits concerning Nottingham are
John Gent c 1794 Bulwell Nottingham
Ann Stafford c1794 Nottingham
Their children were
Thomas Gent c1814 Bulwell Nottingham
Jacob Stafford Gent 1826 Bulwell Nottingham
Henry Gent 1828 Bulwell Nottingham
Eliza Gent 1830 Bulwell Nottingham
Samuel Gent 1832 Bulwell Nottingham
Jacob married Anne Alsop born 1830 Clowne Derbyshire, they married 1849.
Any help would be appreciated
Christine
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Hi Christine
Thanks for the Email. Just managed to find my Gent lot but really need to go to bed now.
I don't recognise those names I'm afraid.
I have got back as far as William Gent born 1806 Bulwell but don't know a thing his past or even his wife's name. My Gent line is descended from his son George born 1825 Bulwell who married Ruth Everley.
There may well be a link between your John and my William but reckon it would take a trip to the Parish Records to find out.
I live in Surrey now and have no relatives left in Nottinghamshire since my brother died so no longer visit up there. I think I have a wad of notes somewhere that I will try and find just in case something is noted on there.
Any help would be appreciated - do you need help to trace John's ancestry or help on the various census since 1841 - I can obviously help with the latter.
Will come back to this tomorrow
Tricia
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Hi Christine, Notts FHS indexes has a few more possible baptisms for this couple at Bulwell. I'll list them all...for the first three entries, father is listed as frameworker knitter. For the rest he is either butcher or farmer.
Sarah 11/07/1813
Thomas 27/11/1814
William 12/05/1816
Elizabeth 05/04/1818
Ann 18/06/1820
Mary 02/06/1822
Jacob Stafford 18/06/1826
Henry 04/04/1828
Eliza 25/04/1830
Charles 14/10/1832
Samuel 14/10/1832
Selina 18/01/1835
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1841 HO107 856 9 26
Main Street Bulwell
John Gent 55 butcher Y
Elizabeth 22 Y
Ann 20 Y
Mary 18 Y
James 16 Y
Henry 16 Y
Eliza 10 Y
Samuel 8 Y
Eliza 1 Y
Chas. 8 Y
1851 HO107 2127 525 43/526 44
Main Street Bulwell, all born Bulwell
John Gent head wid 66 glovemaker
James son 26 glovemaker
Henry son 22 glovemaker
Eliza dau 20 glove stitcher
Charles son 18 glove maker
Samuel son 18 glove maker
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Bulwell marriages 1635 - 1812 are available online on this site:
http://www.aros.net/~chefdave092053/british/nottinghamparishes/Bulwell.html
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One extra baptism!
James Ghent baptised 29/04/1824 to John and Ann, father a butcher
Heather
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Burials from Notts FHS burial transcriptions
Ann Ghent buried 12/07/1838 age 44
Selina Gent buried 03/12/1839 age 4
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Bulwell marriages 1635 - 1812 are available online on this site:
http://www.aros.net/~chefdave092053/british/nottinghamparishes/Bulwell.html
Thanks for that bearkat! it usefully tells us that the 1812 marriage was by licence and the University of Nottingham has some marriage bonds and allegations online.
If you go to
http://longford.nottingham.ac.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Roles&dsqCmd=NottSearchForm.tcl
and search Stafford, Ann in the name field, their marriage is the first entry up. You can look for yourself but it says that Ann's father was Jacob Stafford and she was 19 at the time of marriage. So we have a birth approx for Ann of about 1792-1794 from the marriage and burial records.
Heather
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There are a couple of baptisms that might interest you, although I can't see Ann.
20/05/1791 John Stafford to Jacob and Elisabeth, Bulwell
26/09/1796 Sarah Stafford to Jacob and Elisth, Bulwell
There is a marriage at Bulwell 06/08/1789 of Jacob Stafford and Elizabeth Walker.
Interestingly 06/07/1808 Nottingham St Mary, a Jacob Stafford married a Martha Walker and they had at least two children in Bulwell.
James 29/07/1809
John 11/02/1821
Son or second marriage do you think?
And I've just noticed that on Ann's 1812 marriage, the first proxy was George walker, blacksmith of Bulwell. I think we're along the right lines here ;)
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Quite a lot of Stafford burials at Bulwell, but I've picked out some that seem relevant.
07/11/1829 Jacob Stafford age 66
06/08/1805 Elisabeth, wife of Jacob, no age given
27/05/1800 John, son of Jacob, no age given
26/09/1852 Martha age 70
12/02/1880 John age 60
22/03/1882 James age 72
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First of all thank you all very much for your replies. :)
Tricia: I have census returns for Jacob Stafford Gent up to 1841 but none for John Gent.
I am after any information I can get on this family. It is my Husband's family on his Dad's side. I was carer for my Husband's Dad until he died in 2004 and he was a better Dad to me than my own Dad was so I want to do an in depth research to find everything I can about the family.
I am now my Husband's carer.
Christine
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To Heather B: the first list of names you gave me does it give the Mother and Father as John & Ann.
I got the cristenings of from IGI records from Mormon site but I dismissed some of the list because the parents were listed as John & Anne and I thought they were different people but I know someone on Genes Reunited has put them in his tree. What do you think???
Then looking at 1841 census you sent it looks right and they are their children. Everything you have sent looks as if it fits in thank you very much.
Christine
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Thank you to Bearkat and Heather B for the web sites I will have a look at them.
Christine
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Christine,
Sometime ago while researching some of my Dakin family, I found a several times removed cousin who also had Gent connections from your area. I did have a gedcom of his Gent family but it has become corrupt so you may want to try to contact him through rootschat. His user name is Trevor Paul.
Denn
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Hi again Christine,
I think you were absolutely right to be cautious (and notice I only said "possible" baptisms myself!), but on balance I suspect it's just the one couple.
If you'd like to send me a personal mail with your email address, I will send you the baptisms exactly as transcribed.
Heather
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Thank you Denn I will try to get in touch with him.
Heather B I will send you a message.
Christine
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Hi Christine
This looks like John with son Samuel on the 1861. Although age is a bit out there don't seem to be any other Samuel's born Bulwell
1861
Town Street Bulwell age 76 Widower
John Gent 76 Widower Framework Knitter(Silk) b Bulwell - Blind
Samuel Gent son 24 Glove Maker Silk b bulwell
RG9;/ 2441 Folio 5 Page 3
Just in case anyone else looks at this entry they have been transcribed as living with another family. This is not correct as there is a double slash on the image indicating a seperate property.
My Gents were also Glove Makers
Tricia
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1871
18 Main Street Bulwell
William Smith Head 43 Glove maker b Bulwell
Eliza wife 40 Seamtress b Bulwell
Samuel Gent Boarder Unmar 38 Coal Miner b Bulwell
James Bexon Boarder 22 Mar Trimmer Bleach Works b Basford
Ann Bexon Boarder 19 Mar MenderBleach Works b Bulwell
Elizabeth Bexon Boarder 3 weeks b Bulwell
RG10/3490 Folio 29 Page 50.
Tricia
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Hi Christine - forgot to mention - one of my Gents married a Bowskill as you can see by the picture of my Aunt.
Re your Email:If it is ok with you can we leave the Bowskills until we have sorted out your Gents. Do you have any more information about your Bowskill connection - is there any one you can ask about them? The one you mentioned only has birthplace of Nottinghamshire - can you be more specific. Having said that the Bowskill family is huge and many are connected and have been extensively researched by a colleague. So we should strike lucky
Tricia
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Haven't picked up Samuel on the 1881 site. Perhaps you could have a look yourself Update- found in 1881 with the Bexons in a later posting
There is a death registration for a Samuel Gent
Qrt ending June 1882 Basford age 49. Vol 7b Page 93
There is another Samuel Gent of same age dying in Basford 1898 but he appears to be born Selston and is with his wife in Pinxton on the 1871 1881 and 1891 so he isn't your death registration.
No issue from young Sam, then - that we know :'(
Tricia
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Hi Tricia sorry not replied before have been busy looking at those websites and had district nurse in for my husband.
Thank you for those census bits looks right to me and gives me more to do some searching.
As for the Bowskills yes it is ok to leave until we get the Gent's sorted. There is no one I can ask but I did have a connection on Genes Reunited that also had Gent's and Bowskill/Bouskill in their tree but did not know where the connection came in. Mine are spelt Bouskill but on census 1891 and 1881 it is spelt Bowskill and that other than 1901 is the only census I have found them on.
I will do some more searching on the Gent's thank you very much
Christine
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I can't find any sight of Henry and James on the census after 1851 when they are at home.
However I did find these entries on Notts Burial Index
Henry Gent 8/12/1859 Bulwell
Age 31
James Gent 31/3/1857 Bulwell
Age 32
This is really disappointing as all my Gents except George also died young. Well - George's mum and 2 siblings. From what I can remember these deaths were round about the same time and the cause of death was consumption for all of them so wouldn't be surprised if that is what James and Henry had.
Tricia
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Fingers crossed for Thomas :-\
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Yes I know makesyou wonder when you see all these young Gent's what gets me more is like Edwin Gent's first wife Martha Richardson born c1845 died 1881 and under her in the register is a Female Gent 0 years. So it looks as if Martha died in childbirth.
Christine
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Hello Heather - could I have your opinion, please :)
These are the only Thomas' I can find in Bulwell
1841 Thomas Gent b 1821 single
1851 born 1819 single
1861 b 1815 married to Mary age 34 no children
1871 b1817 widowed
I would say that these are all the same person but don't have access to the births that you do.
What do you think? Would value your opinion
Yet again, very disappointing as there are no children and I thought my Gents were the only ones a bit thin on the ground!
Tricia - thanks
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Christine - this is dreadful - can't trace Charles Gent 1833 Bulwell on the census but did find this on the Burial Index
Charles Gent 19/8/1854 Bulwell
Age 21
Tricia
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And again, can't find William Gent born 1816 Bulwell on the census but did find this on Notts Burials
William Gent 27/12/ 1818 Bulwell
Age 2
Tricia
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It is sad isn't it then when you know that David's (my husband) Dad was 84 and his Grandfather was 94 when they died. It just shows how things have changed.
Christine
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We'll try one of the Girls
Eliza Gent born 1830/31 is last seen on the 1851 census at home(re Heather's posting).
There is no Eliza Gent b 1830/1 Bulwell on the 1861 census.
There is an Eliza Smith born 1831 Bulwell living Bulwell and is the only possible match. She is married to William Smith.
On the Notts Marriage Index we have a marriage of Eliza Gent to William Smith 21/10/1852 Bulwell
On the 1861 census she is living next door to dad John Gent and brother Samuel Gent as seen in my previous posting
I have just noticed that John Gent on the 1861 is recorded as Blind -will add that to the previous posting
1861 census
William Smith Head 33 Glove Maker b Bulwell
Eliza Smith wife 30 Glove Stitcher b Bulwell
Ann Smith dau 9 b Bulwell * named after mum?*
RG9/2441 Folio 5 Page 3.
Tricia
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1871
18 Main Street Bulwell
William Smith Head 43 Glove maker b Bulwell
Eliza wife 40 Seamtress b Bulwell
Samuel Gent Boarder Unmar 38 Coal Miner b Bulwell
James Bexon Boarder 22 Mar Trimmer Bleach Works b Basford
Ann Bexon Boarder 19 Mar MenderBleach Works b Bulwell
Elizabeth Bexon Boarder 3 weeks b Bulwell
RG10/3490 Folio 29 Page 50.
Tricia
Look at this - we had them all the time in 1871 and brother Samuel is with them. I do like Jig Saw Puzzles ;D Why couldn't he be recorded as Brother :-\
And that Ann Bexon will turn out to be the daughter, I expect. No other children for William and Eliza though.
Do you want me to chase up the Bexon family?
Tricia
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Oh Tricia you have done so much how can I ever thank you. It would be great if we could find a connection between families. :D
If you don't mind chasing the Bexon family but I don't want you to think I am letting you do all the work it is just with one thing and another I have not had time today but will be looking tonight.
Christine
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That's ok Christine - that's why I come on this site - to help people, hopefully :).
Now a little mystery. I think that Ann Smith was illegitimate because I can only find a marriage between James Bexon and Ann Gent Qrt ending December 1868 Basford 7b 165.
Bexon isn't that common a name I reckon so these must be your people.
Tricia
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1881 - now we have Samuel a year before he dies :)
22 Main Street Bulwell
James Bexon Head 32 Agric Lab b Basford
Ann Bexon wife 29 b Bulwell
Eliza Ann Bexon dau 10 b Bulwell
Arthur Bexon son 8 b Bulwell
Polly Bexon dau 5 b Bulwell
Willie Bexon son 3 b Bulwell
Samuel Gent Uncle 48 Labourer b Bulwell (not indexed as Gent >:()
RG11/ 3333 Folio 99 Page 14
Tricia
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Eliza Smith does not appear on the 1881 census.
There are 2 death references in Bulwell. One is for Eliza Smith born 1831 registered in 1873 Bulwell. The other is for Elizabeth Smith born 1831 registered 1873
As Eliza always appeared as Eliza I would think the first one is correct. Don't know if you will be sending for certs but this is the reference
Eliza Smith
Death registered qrt ending March 1873
Basford
Volume 7b
Page 97
Age at death: 42
Tricia
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William Smith is a bit more tricky. Can't see a William Smith born 1828 Bulwell on the 1881 census.
What I can see is a William Smith born 1828 Nottinghamhire
Widower
Boarding at 29 Bridge Street, Derby Derbyshire with lots of other Boarders. He is an umbrella Maker.
Can't verify that this is your man, though.
RG11/ 3404 Folio 134 Page 11
Tricia
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1891
11 Davis Lane Nottingham
James Bexon Head 40 Coal miner b Basford
Ann Bexon wife 39 Hose mender b Bulwell
Arthur Bexon son 18 Basket Maker b Bulwell
Polly Bexon dau 15 Lace mender b Bulwell
William Bexon son 12 Pit lad b Bulwell
Mabel Bexon dau 9 b Bulwell
Ernest Bexon son 6 b Basford
RG12/ 2668 Folio 146 Page 48.
Tricia
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1901
40 Lincoln Street Nottingham
James Bexon Head 50 Coal Hewer b Nottingham
Ann Bexon wife 49 b Nottingham
William Bexon son 22 Single Basket Maker b Nottingham
Mabel Bexon dau 19 Upholstress b Nottingham
Ernest Bexon son 16 ....(?) assistant b Nottingham
Charles Stirland, S in Law 24 Basket Work b Nottingham
Mary Stirland dau 25 b Nottingham
RG13/ 3188 Folio 187 Page 33.
Tricia
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Looking at the names I would think that the Mary who is married to Charles Stirland in 1901 will be Polly on the other census.
My Aunt Mary was called called Polly and this was quite common. I'll have a look for the marriage ref.l
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Here we go
Charles Cauldwell Stirland married Mary Bexon qrt ending June 1899 Basford 7b 499
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Son Arthur
1901
11 David's Lane Nottingham
Arthur Bexon Head 28 Manager Wickerworker(Bask)
Mary A wife 27
Eliza A Bexon dau 6
Ralph W Bexon son 3
Gladys L Bexon dau 1
All born Nottingham
RG13/ 3189 Folio 83 Page 14.
Tricia
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Hi Tricia
I have printed out all the replies so I can go through them and read them easier.
Thank you very much for all you have done.
That website bearkat gave us is great.
Christine
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Can't trace whereabouts of Eliza Ann Bexon in 1901
There is a marriage reference for Eliza Ann Bexon qrt ending December 1889 Basford 7b 208
The 2 possible spouses are Harry Hooks and John William West but can't match these up in 1901. There is an Eliza A West with a John but birthplace is Lenton Notts :-\
If you are keen to find out you would have to send for the marriage cert.
Tricia
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Yes I will look into that it looks as if I will have to send for a few certificates to make sure of things. I don't mind sending for birth and marriage certificates but death certificates don't give enough information.
Christine
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Well, they give cause of death and informant and that can be quite revealing I think.
I have never bought a death cert for verification - by the time I am at that stage I know who they are and want to know how they died.
For instance I was quite upset to discover one of my line(not Gent or Bowskill) in an asylum recorded as a lunatic - quite distressing.
When I received the death cert it said that he died from an epileptic fit in the asylum. Although horrible this was quite a relief as there was no other way of looking after epileptics at the time. He must have had a dreadful life and died in his 30's. I found his wife and child - my great grandfather - in lodgings near the asylum. At least she stayed nearby.
Tricia
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Bit perplexed by the 1841 posting. There are 2 Eliza's and 1 Elizabeth in the family.By 1851 there is just one Eliza.
Girls are often tricky to sort out unless they have unusual names and there must be other Gents with the same first names in Bulwell :-\
Tricia
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Hello Heather - could I have your opinion, please :)
These are the only Thomas' I can find in Bulwell
1841 Thomas Gent b 1821 single
1851 born 1819 single
1861 b 1815 married to Mary age 34 no children
1871 b1817 widowed
Sorry Tricia, I wasn't ignoring you on purpose ;D The thread moved so fast I missed it!
Well our Thomas 1814 is the only baptism showing on the Bulwell transcriptions, so it's hopeful. Possible marriage Mansfield St Peter 05/11/1860 to Mary Kerswell Hoskin. Not sure when i'll get to the Archives next but I can put it on my "to do" list!
Heather
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Thanks, Heather.
There's only the one showing up on the census but wanted to be sure.
Thought you might miss it so I went back and highlighted the first line ;D
Christine hopes we will have a connection. I am pretty sure we will because I should think all the Gents in Bulwell were related.
The only way is to prove that her John Gent and my William Gent(1806) were related so if you spot anything we would be really grateful.
Tricia
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I have been trying to find sites that do BMD before 1837 other than IGI but there are not many are there.
Yes I noticed that on the 1841 seemed a bit strange unless the youngest one is really a grandchild.
I got a death certificate for my grandmother to try and get some information and hopefully her date of birth but it does not even do that.
Christine
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I have been trying to find sites that do BMD before 1837 other than IGI but there are not many are there
Nope - Parish records I am afraid.
Which grandmother are you trying to trace?
Can we help?
Tricia
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Hi Tricia
Sorry I did not get back on last night. The Grandmother I am looking for seems impossible to find. I know very little about her. The things I know for definate is her name and her Fathers name which are.
Sarah Jeffery c1887, I think born in Devon and by 1901 census that we think is right born in Ilfracombe.
Thomas Jeffery c1867 (Bridport- this is from 1901census)
The only other things I have been told is that she had a brother called Tom and a sister named Susan but I believe there were more than that.
1901 census
Thomas W Jeffery c1867 Bridport, Head
Sarah Jeffery c1867 Exeter, Wife
Alice Jeffery c1884 Exeter, Dau
William Jeffery c1886 Tavistock, Son
Sarah Jeffery c1887 Ilfracombe, Dau
Nellie Jeffery c1890 Exeter, Dau
Susan Jeffery c1893 Bristol, Dau
Thomas Jeffery c1896 Plymouth, Son
Mary Jeffery c1900 Stonehouse, Dau
William Jeffery c1822 Bridport, Father
I seent for Mary birth certificate to get Mother's maiden name and it is Trim, but can't find marriage for Thomas and her.
I have both myGrandmother's wedding certificates thats how I found her Father's name. He was a Foreman in HM dockyard on them.
Her first marriage was in 1911 in Exeter and the second in 1916 in East Stonehouse Plymouth.
I cannot find her birth and I can't find herFather on any other census other than 1901 and possibly 1891.
There are a few people that have tried with this and can't get any further.
Christine
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Good morning, Christine
I'll have a little play with this but have to go to work shortly so if I disappear, don't worry, I'll be back later on.
Tricia
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Does your Grandmother have a middle name?
I think I have found the entry on 1891 that you have found.
We mustn't assume that Mary's mother is your Grandmother's mother or that everything is recorded correctly on the 1891 entry. I think that is the family
Tricia
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I'll post those 1891 details and then will have easy reference to it
1891
Cottage South Brent
Thomas Jeffery Head 28 Tunnel Miner(Plate) Birthplace difficult to read but looks as though Devon as been dittoed from previous entry(transcribed as Somerset - I would take issue with that) ;D
Susan Jeffery wife 26 b Brixham Devon
Allice Jeffery dau 6 b Exeter
William Jeffery son 3 b Tavistock
Sarah W(M)? Jeffery 1 b
William Jeffery Father 70 Widower Tunnel Miner
Sarah and father William transcribed as Exeter but the entry is very faded
RG12/ 1713 Folio 15 Page 24.
Just as an aside I go down to South Brent quite regularly with friends for walikg trips over the moors
Tricia
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Has you have disappeared ;D we'll try and sort this out later on when I have a bit more time.
Then....on to those Bowskills perhaps
Tricia
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Sorry Tricia I was seeing to my Husband he needed my help to get washed and dressed and I had to tidy up.
That is the 1891 census and even though there are a couple of things different than the 1901 it is the only one that looks anything like right.
My Grandmother as far as I know did not have a middle name. It does not appear on any certificates I have and no one I have asked don't know of a middle name.
If you notice on that 1891 the Wife's name is Susan and on the 1901 it is Sarah.
Sorry for the delay in answering.
Christine
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Will be on later got to take car for mot :'( and go shopping
Christine
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If you notice on that 1891 the Wife's name is Susan and on the 1901 it is Sarah
Yes I did notice - hence my comments about Sarah and Mary maybe not having same mum. Alternatively it could just be an error on the 1891. Sometimes the enumerator's can't read their own writing when copying the collected information over.
I'll spend a bit of time on this
Tricia.
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ok Tricia I am back now for a little while don't worry if I seem to disappear its just that I have to sort my husband out.
Christine
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Here is that 1861 Bowskill entry as promised
1861
Seymour's Cottages, Staveley, Derbyshire
John Bouskil Head 43 Coal miner born Mansfield Nottinghamshire
Hannah Bouskil wife 50 b Clarborough,Nottinghamshire
John Bouskil son 14 Coal miner born Calow Derbyshire
George Bouskil son,13 Coal miner, b Redford Nottinghamshire
Charles Bouskil son 11 Coal miner b Redford Nottinghamshire
Betsey Bouskil dau 7 b Whitwell Derbyshire
Elizabeth Bouskil Mother 78, Widow Annuitant b Mansfield Notts
RG9/2535 Folio 92 Page 20.
Redford could be Retford
So, from practically nothing we now have Jack's/John's father and his father's mother
Also his father and grandmother were born in Mansfield and I haven't yet met a Bowskill that came from there and wasn't related. I'll try and show that at a later date because it will take a time to sort through my Bowskill stuff.
Tricia ;D
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1851
South Anston Nottinghamshire
Thomas Coates Head 36 Victualler b Exelby Yorkshire
Sarah wife 20 b Brancliff Yorkshire
Mary dau 1 born Anston Yorkshire
Ann Whitworth servant 15 born Yorkshire
Richard Jones Lodger 32 Quarryman birthplace unknown
John Bowskin Lodger 33 Mar Quarryman b Mansfield Notts
James Swift Lodger 36 Mar Quarryman b Notts
HO107/ 2122 Folio 400 Page 20
Bowskin is another common mis-spelling of Bowskill
Tricia
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1851
Sugden's Yard, East Retford Notts
Hannah Bowskin Head 37 Mar, Charwoman b Gringley Notts
John son 4 Chesterfield Notts(but we know it is Derbys ;))
George son 1 b East Retford Notts
HO107/2121 Folio 466 Page 17.
Tricia - what a merry mix of ages and birthplaces on the various census!
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Yes it is Tricia its nearly as bad as the Jeffery's but at least we can find something on these :D
Christine
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Tricia I think I have found 1851 & 1841 census what do you think ;D This is Elizabeth Bowskill who is down as Mother in 1861 census.
1851
Samuel Bowskill 74 Head Farm Lab b Woodhouse
Elizabeth Bowskill 69 Wife b. Mansfield
Pheobe Story 28 Dau b. Nottinghamshire
Stephen Story 27 Son in law Farm Lab b. Whitwell Derbyshire
George Story 4 Gnd Son b. Whitwell
Walter Story 3 Gnd Son b. Whitwell
Will put 1841 on later
Christine
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This is 1841 I found but I am not sure as ages are different but Samuel is a Ag Lab which fits in with 1851.
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What do you think
Christine