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Title: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Saturday 02 September 06 17:21 BST (UK)
Hi, i am trying to find out how to start to find any information on this family:

HENRY J CLARK born 1829 in Bedminster, Somerset.

moved to Australia, but i have no idea when.

But i do know that he lived at :

Peacock Street,
East Maitland,
NSW

in 1902

He had 3 girls and 3 boys and married MARTHA

he was there in the 1893 flood

and was ill in 1904 so may have died around then.

Any ideas or help will be greatly appreciated.

Also,  very very little info , but due to surnamr thought id ask.

Eliza Anna ZUCKER alive in 1926 and living at:

Commercial Hotel,
Swan Street,
Morpeth,
NSW

Think her mother was Sarah.


Thanks.

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: genechaser on Saturday 02 September 06 18:20 BST (UK)
Hi

There are two possibles for you Henry Clark on the 1841 census. Would you know what his fathers name was. ?

genechaser
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: casalguidi on Saturday 02 September 06 18:51 BST (UK)
Hi Kev

You can search the NSW BMD here http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm :)

Casalguidi
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Saturday 02 September 06 19:08 BST (UK)
Hi Genechaser, his fathers name was Francis.


Hi Cas.

Thanks i will have a look now.

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Saturday 02 September 06 19:28 BST (UK)
Genechaser, sorry just realised he wouldn't be on that census he appears on the 1841 and 1851 england censuses.

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 02 September 06 22:56 BST (UK)
Hello there

Where does  the Zucker  fit in

regards jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Saturday 02 September 06 23:14 BST (UK)
Hi Jenn, i have been sent a load of letters from 1903 to 1926 and in them are various family members  writing about and trying to work out their cousin.

In one of them in has the address and says cousin ELIZA ANN ZUCKER daughter or your sister SARAH (letter to Henry Clark)

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: trish251 on Saturday 02 September 06 23:23 BST (UK)
Hi Kev

There is only one death for Henry Clark in NSW between 1900 and 1920 with a father Francis - was his mother Ann? Location is Boggabri - about 300km west of maitland.

Ref 8173/1907   -  from site given by Cas.

A transcript of the certificate ($15AU) should provide much useful information - parents, children, wife, time in Australia etc

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm#TranscriptionAgent

Trish

Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Saturday 02 September 06 23:27 BST (UK)
Hi Trish, saw it and his mother was Mary not Ann.

I think i may have found two nephews of his on it though.

Alfred Charles and Edward Thomas Clark, i know both went to Australia as he mentioned that they visited.


Thanks for looking  ;D

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 02 September 06 23:39 BST (UK)
Hello  there

Would  you please  tell us  what  his mothers  name  was  and  have  you  or  anyone found  him on  the census

and  do  you know  if he married  in england  or  oz

regards jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: trish251 on Saturday 02 September 06 23:44 BST (UK)
I assume the children born at Patrick's Plain were probably his Kev? The Newcastle/Maitland/Hunter area has some good family history societies and there world be cemetery records around for the district. (I think the Newcastle library also has much information). Google should provide  information.

His death should definitely be there, unless he went to another state.  He was quite old & I'm wondering if whoever gave the death details had his mother's name incorrect?

For a slightly lesser fee the transcription agents will check if the person is yours - if you find nothing else may be worth while.

Have you looked for marriages for the children? location may be of interest.

Trish
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: trish251 on Saturday 02 September 06 23:50 BST (UK)
I should have mentioned - I know there was an 1893 flood in  the Brisbane area - do not know about NSW. Did he mention where the flood was?

Trish
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Sunday 03 September 06 00:05 BST (UK)
Jenn i have , Mary and got him in 1841 and 1951 england censuses as i said above,

Wasn't married then, thank you for your help.

Trish i think the children must be his.

He says "we are getting plenty of rain, not had much since the 93 flood" in a letter dated 1902 with the same address as above.

I think it may well be the wrong mothers name listed also.


Thank you all for your help.

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Robert Coble on Sunday 03 September 06 09:03 BST (UK)
Hi there,
Could this be your Alferd Charles and Edward Thomas CLARK death.

18977/1951 Name: CLARK  ALFRED CHARLES Father: FRANCIS WILLIAM CLARK. Mother:  MARY ANN Place of Death: BALMAIN   

28884/1946 Name: CLARK.  EDWARD THOMAS  Father: JAMES  Mother:ANNIE  Place of Death:WEST WYALONG   
8168/1936  Name: CLARK.  EDWARD THOMAS   Mother:  MARY ANNA EVAN. Place of Death: NEWCASTLE 


Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: gennig on Sunday 03 September 06 12:10 BST (UK)
Hi All

Don't know if you have this.

Henry J CLARKE married Martha Susannah PANKHURST at Patrick's Plains Ref: 6995/1885

children:-
Jeanie C born West Maitland 1886
Edward A born West Maitland 1887
Mary W born Singleton 1888
Reginald H born Singleton 1890
John McK born Muswellbrook 1894 died 1894

Genni
 
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Sunday 03 September 06 14:34 BST (UK)
Hi all, thank you very much.

Ozybob, thats definately my Alfred Charles, mother and father spot on. But Edward Thomas was his brother so hes not one of the other two.

Thanks Genni

I think that could be him and his family, but he was born in 1829 so the kids might be a bit too late, depends how old Martha was i suppose?

The only reason i know his wife was Martha is from his letters, so i really have no idea or information about her at all.

Anybody anything on Eliza Ann Zucker?

Thanks again.

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: gennig on Monday 04 September 06 04:25 BST (UK)
Hi All

Don't know if you have this.

Henry J CLARKE married Martha Susannah PANKHURST at Patrick's Plains Ref: 6995/1885

children:-
Jeanie C born West Maitland 1886
Edward A born West Maitland 1887
Mary W born Singleton 1888
Reginald H born Singleton 1890
John McK born Muswellbrook 1894 died 1894

Genni
 

Can rule this family out.  Henry & Martha died in Inverell.  Henry's parents: Edward Wiseman & Catherine.

Genni
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: trish251 on Monday 04 September 06 07:49 BST (UK)
Hi Kev and Genni

These were the children I was thinking would belong to Henry & Martha. The last one may be an error in transcription giving Martha's maiden name - or it might be her second name.

V18582003 160/1858  CLARK  ISAAC D Parents HENRY  MARTHA
An OPR - no location given.
These are all from Patrick's plain.
10884/1860    FRANCIS J   Parents Henry Martha
12145/1862    MARY E       Parents Henry Martha
13388/1865    MARTHA A   Parents Henry Martha G
14403/1867    SARAH E     Parents Henry Martha G
15463/1870    CONSTANCE Parents Henry Martha
15881/1871    WILLIAM S   Parents Henry Martha
15981/1872    UNNAMED    Parents Henry Martha G
16921/1873    EDWARD JOHN   Parents Henry Martha
17787/1875    HENRY ROBERT   Parents Henry Martha Green

You can probably follow the children through marriages / deaths.

I could find no sign of Eliza Ann Zucker. It seems a fairly unique name. Perhaps she came here for a visit & returned to UK? There is a Christian Zucker with wife Charlotte who seemed to start the NSW family of this name.

Trish



Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: gennig on Monday 04 September 06 09:01 BST (UK)
Hi

I was leaning towards these as well Trish.

You can add Isaac D he was born 1858 no place of birth.
Isaac died in Boggabri in 1933. 
I notice there is a Henry dying 1907 in Boggabri.

In the letter he refers to having 3 sons & 3 daughters. The unamed infant, Henry R, Constance & Edward J all die in infancy.  Leaving this Henry & Martha with 3 sons, Isaac, Francis & William and 3 daugthers Mary E, Martha A & Sarah E.

Genni
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: trish251 on Monday 04 September 06 09:39 BST (UK)
I also lean toward the 1907 death Genni - although the mother's name appears to be incorrect. Probably only a transcript would confirm it Kev.

Trish

Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: sparrett on Monday 04 September 06 09:41 BST (UK)

http://cemindex.arkangles.com/cemeteries.php

Has listings for Boggabri and Narrabri Cemeteris.
There are 'connections' and probable descendants of the family shown including Isaac Daniel and others.
Best of all there are LOVELY PICTURES of heaadstones to read and view and they will explain a lot of links between the Clarks in the area.
Wondeful site!!
Sue
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 04 September 06 10:13 BST (UK)
Hello  all

you are right  sue  that is a very good  site  have  used it  and recommended  lovely work in it

but  strange  that  henry  isnt  in  the boggabri  cemetery?

I wonder if  he is interned  with  martha?

regards jenn

Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 04 September 06 10:35 BST (UK)
18977/1951 Name: CLARK  ALFRED CHARLES Father: FRANCIS WILLIAM CLARK. Mother:  MARY ANN Place of Death: BALMAIN   

from  ozybobs post we see  that this  entry  list  the clark  brothers  mother  as mary  ann 

so  the one for henry  with  the father francis  and  the  mother ann  is  more  thatn  likey  yours kev

regards jenn

Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Monday 04 September 06 16:40 BST (UK)
Thank you all will have a good look through everything and let you all know what great work youve done ;D ;D


Jenn, Alfred Charles Clarks entry is spot on. But Henry J was Alberts fathers(Francis William) uncle so his parents were a different Francis (Francis Waters Clark) and Mary Pillyer, not Mary Ann. But i do think it is the correct death just there would have been no one that new Henrys mothers name. I would imagine they would never have met her as she was in Bristol and they were in Australia and she may have died around 1851/61(haven't found it yet!) which would probably be before he went to Australia.

Thanks again,

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: gennig on Wednesday 06 September 06 02:45 BST (UK)
Hi Kevwood

Found the following family arriving Assisted Passage to NSW.

Aboard the 'Hornet' 1859
Henry Clark 29
Martha Clark 26
Isaac D Clark Infant

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=4

Also found a marriage in England which could be a possible.
Sep Qtr 1856 Bristol 6a 73
Henry Clark
same page
Martha Green Fussell

Genni
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 06 September 06 03:05 BST (UK)
Hello  there
Wow  Genni
thats  excellent results  for rv

what a wonderfull inspiration  you are  to all of  us.

You are allways so  concise and spot on, makes  me strive to  do  more

regards Jenn

Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: trish251 on Wednesday 06 September 06 07:37 BST (UK)
It would be interesting to look at the baptism for Isaac - listed as 1858 - presumably he was born onboard or just before they left England - perhaps baptised when he arrived, but the birth date recorded.

The Hornet arrived March 1859 according to the following
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1859/03/5903.htm
seems to be an error in the transcription heading (1860 listed) and the list is the crew plus a summary of the passengers.
Hornet of London G GREIVES Master  1155 TONS
London to Sydney 3 March 1860 (error I think).

Trish
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: gennig on Wednesday 06 September 06 09:18 BST (UK)

I have found a birth in June Qtr 1858

Isaac Daniel CLARK Bedminster 5c 773

I'm thinking the NSW entry refers to a christening, it's definitely a Church record and has no district.

A Martha G CLARKE died in Patircks Plain in 1878 parents listed as Robert & Betsy

I have found a Martha FUSSELL aged 6 living with parents Robert & Betty in Bedminster on the 1841 census.

Of course, this is all supposition without a certificate to confirm anything.

Genni
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Wednesday 06 September 06 17:28 BST (UK)
Genni, you star you may have cracked it!!!!!! ;D ;D

One of Henrys letters is to a Robert Fussell and it doesn't say who he was, i have been trying to find him.


All looks good to me.




Fantastic ;D Thank you very much.

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 06 September 06 23:22 BST (UK)
Hello  there Kev


how about posting  the names  of peoples  you  have  letters  to and fro  that would be of great help 

regards jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 06 September 06 23:37 BST (UK)
Hello  there Kev


Going  by  this info  that Genni  has  supplied  one of  the headstone in  the Boggabri cemetery  (in  the  link  that Sue has  added)

you will see a headstone for
FUSSELL SNELL CLARK died in 1976 aged 77

he  was  the sone  of Isaac D Clark and wife Jane Snell
born 1898/24798 at Quirindi, NSW

this  couple  also  had  the following children

Henry James born 1887/35363 at Tenterfield
died 1964/10784 at Burwood

Mabel J born 1890/34064 at Tenterfield

Isaac V born 1892/30121 at Quirindi
Died 1898/15600 at Quirindi

Elsie born 30404/1893 Quirindi

William Vincent born 1896/15734 Quirindi 
Died 1962/37617 at Wyong


NO doubt  one  of  yours!
regards Jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 07 September 06 01:44 BST (UK)
Hello  there Kev

by  your  posts  you have  given  us  this  information

Quote"
Eliza Anna ZUCKER alive in 1926 and living at:

Commercial Hotel,
Swan Street,
Morpeth,
NSW

In one of them in has the address and says cousin ELIZA ANN ZUCKER daughter or your sister SARAH (letter to Henry Clark)"unquote

So  just trying to  put this information together 
when  Henry  was alive  he  had a letter about  Eliza Ann Zucker?
and  then  there was aonther letter  from  her with  the address on  or  did someone else send  it to whom regarding her?

regards jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 07 September 06 07:38 BST (UK)
Hello  there Kev

on the nsw bdm

there is  a death for

Eliza Ann Sucker 1938/874  at morpeth nsw
father John mother Sarah

this  is  the  same place  as the letter 

regards jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: gennig on Thursday 07 September 06 12:38 BST (UK)
Hi

The some of the Sucker family are buried at Morpeth.

http://www.huntervalleygenealogy.com/cemeteries/moranglic2.php

I have not been able to find the marriage between Eliza Ann & Henry William SUCKER.  But there were a number of children born to them, beginning 1877 to 1890's.

Do you have any idea of Sarah's married name?

Genni
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Thursday 07 September 06 18:35 BST (UK)
Hi, Jenn and Genni, nice work yet again ;D

Eliza Ann Sucker looks like the one.

I did see the Fussell Clark one, but couldn't work out who he was, now i know ;D

There are 37 pages of letters and a lot of the names are mentioned in them, most of them are to people i know, the ones that mention Eliza Anna Z/Sucker are from Ida May Fetterman in the USA, with a lot of work from Liverpool Annie i now know all her siblings and worked out who her parents were.

I will have a look to see if there are any more realting to Oz.

I have no idea of Sarah Clarks married name, really annoying!!

Jenn, off the top of my head one letter from Ida May mentions having a letter from Eliza Anna and another letter from her just says heres the address if you want to contact her.

Thank you both for your help again.

Kev. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 08 September 06 10:40 BST (UK)
Hello  all

you are right  sue  that is a very good  site  have  used it  and recommended  lovely work in it

but  strange  that  henry  isnt  in  the boggabri  cemetery?

I wonder if  he is interned  with  martha?

regards jenn

(quote]

just  reading  through  the posts  and realised this was a dumb  thing  to say  he  may  of  course  be  in  the boggabri  cemetery  but no  headstone  but  then  he could be interned elsewhere  his death certificate would  show where
regards jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Friday 08 September 06 18:00 BST (UK)
Transcription of Henry Clarks death cert just ordered.

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: trish251 on Friday 08 September 06 22:23 BST (UK)
Hi Kev

If this is your first venture into Australian certificates you should be  pleased with the result - Our death certificates are rather like a one person census, with a little extra thrown in.  This site gives the information for each state
http://www.sag.org.au/ozsources/civil.htm

Trish
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Friday 08 September 06 23:57 BST (UK)
Hi Trish, it is and i wish the Uk death certs were as good!!

I have very little cash at the minute and didn't know how much 15 ausd was, when i worked out about £6 i thought it was well worth it,knowing my luck i worked it out wrong and its £20. Hope not anyway ;D ;D

With all this wonderful info people are giving me it says me a fortune.

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 09 September 06 01:06 BST (UK)
No, No need to worry about that mate, you are right in your conversion.
British pounds 6 for our  $15 ..

It is quite a difference and one of the reassons that people outside uk like to be fairly certain about a  ancestor before they order a certificate from your gro.gov.uk.  This is where the census site and helpful UK searchers really are so appreciated.

 At about $35 it is a noticable chunk.

A girlfriend of mine says she spends more on certs from UK than on clothes.  Easy to do.
Anyhow,  We all hope you will keep us informed when it arrives as the Clarks are starting to feel like family !!!
I wonder why the Eliza S/Zucker was living in a hotel in1926.
Mmm...Not finished yet really.
Sue
 
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Saturday 09 September 06 01:10 BST (UK)
Thanks Sue, glad to know the maths part of my brain is still working , i will try and scan some of the transcrips of the letters over the weekend and post them.

When i first started doing this i spent a fortune on certs, as it happened probably worth it, but thats not always the case!!

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 09 September 06 02:08 BST (UK)
Hello All

Hey Sue  I did  wonder the same  thing,  maybe  she  was  the licenssee  of  the pub, or  the family owned the pub.

You  have  a lot  of knowledge  'bout cemeteries,  and  you could tell me this the Sucker Family  have  quite a few headtsones is  this  an inidication  of being well off?
regards jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 09 September 06 03:20 BST (UK)
Hi Jenn and All
Well, yes there are a lot of Suckers at the Morphett Cemetery, but when you really study the Births, Marriages and Deaths available on them through bdm.nsw. you see that there are are 3 generations of them.  You have to tie the inscriptions to the bdms
Anyhow this is the approximate picture.
There were 3 Eliza Suckers, [2 of them Eliza Ann]
1. Eliza [nee Stace] married to John.
Parents of HENRY WILIAM [among others]
2. Eliza Ann  [our suspect!]who married HENRY WILLIAM and died 1938
3. Eliza Ann daughter of HENRY WILLIAM.d. 1952

The 2 listings for Suckel in the cemetery are misprints of Sucker.  They are sons of Eliza Ann (2)

I have just about got the ins & outs unravelled and agree that the 1938 death is the one of interest and Henry William died 1915
It gets hard when they just keep using the same name over & over.
EXCEPT for Ernest RECORD [most unusual!!] which made me laugh because I think he was child number 10 or 11 or 12 for Eliza and probably a RECORD for the area.
Sue
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 09 September 06 03:59 BST (UK)
Hello  all

I haven't been able  to find a marriage for  Henry W Sucker and Eliza Ann????? either

have  tried  the neighboring states  nothing at all, could  they  have been married  and  it  not been "regisitered"

I Guess if  Kev  gets a death  certificate or three it  may  un ravel  the mystery a bit  more

The  only  way of knowing  if Eliza Ann Sucker is  related  is  to get the death certificate  and hope  like hell  that the  informant  knew  the correct details, but  then Kev, you don't know  her maiden  name as yet either, do you?

I just got  in the mail  yesterday  a NSW  marriage certificate for my ggp's  and wouldn't  you know  the information  that I really wanted  was blank  no  parents details or place of birth no occupations  nothing  filled in, Bugger!!!!, but  nil desperandum as they say  it  does say  the church  they  were married at in Coota so  I still have an avenue to search 8)

It is a  risk  we all take :o


regards Jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: gennig on Saturday 09 September 06 05:11 BST (UK)
Hi all

According to "Greville's Post Office Directory" of 1872, John Sucker was an Innkeeper, Swan Street, Morpeth.

In 1888 John Sucker was the Publican of the "Crown & Anchor Hotel" in Morpeth.
In 1892 Mrs Sucker had repairs done to the "Crown & Anchor Hotel"

The "Crown & Anchor" doesn't appear exist in present day, but possibly renamed the "Commercial Hotel" given the street location.

The following are some pictures of the "Commercial Hotel" Morpeth

http://www.mq.com.au/commercial_hotel_morpeth.htm

This link maybe b helpful.

http://www.huntervalleygenealogy.com/

Genni
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 09 September 06 05:26 BST (UK)
Hello  there

Tthe NSW State Record Office  has a listing  under desceased estates  for J Sucker 1906  this  is  Henry  and Eliza's Son the One who  was  the publican.

This  document  may  throw further  light  on the  family
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/quicksearch.aspx?k=sucker&scope=2
Also  a very  interesting  entry for James Sucker a convict
regards Jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 09 September 06 05:50 BST (UK)
Fantastic searching jenn and genni.
I think I will pm Kev with a couple of modern-day snippets.
the phone number  of the Commercial Hotel.

And the name address and phone number of a Sucker who lives in a street very nearby to Swan Street., Morpeth ( sorry about my awful spelling of it before, Just got it now)

I wonder if he is by any wonderful chance. a publican.?
Sue
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 09 September 06 07:11 BST (UK)
Hi Jenn,
The John you refer to married Margaret Partridge in 1903.
As you say he died 1906.  Bit sad.
It makes it look like the Mrs Sucker [repairs] that Genni found could be his mother,
For general interest, the parents of John who was the father of Henry William were Robert and mother was Frances.
John married his Eliza in 1848 and he died 1890.  Henry's brother Robert J. erected a monument to him in the cemetery.
Don't know where that puts the convict James, but would LOVE to fit him somewhere.
Sue
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: gennig on Saturday 09 September 06 08:06 BST (UK)
Hi All

I believe the John SUCKER who married Eliza STACE (Henry W's parents) arrived in Australia as a convict in 1837 on the "Mangles".

Genni
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 09 September 06 08:13 BST (UK)
Hi Jenn,
The John you refer to married Margaret Partridge in 1903.
As you say he died 1906.  Bit sad.
It makes it look like the Mrs Sucker [repairs] that Genni found could be his mother,
For general interest, the parents of John who was the father of Henry William were Robert and mother was Frances.
John married his Eliza in 1848 and he died 1890.  Henry's brother Robert J. erected a monument to him in the cemetery.
Don't know where that puts the convict James, but would LOVE to fit him somewhere.
Sue

Hey  there
wouldn't be  so nice if  we could  see these headstone/ monuments. 

regards Jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 09 September 06 08:14 BST (UK)
Hi All

I believe the John SUCKER who married Eliza STACE (Henry W's parents) arrived in Australia as a convict in 1837 on the "Mangles".

Genni

So Gennie  that is  not the same one  on the NSW State Records? it is a different Sucker ::)

jenn

Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 09 September 06 08:31 BST (UK)
OOOooo!
Maybe brothers or some such.
The name James does come up as a second name in the family.
JohnSenior's death cert. might make intersting reading.
Sue
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Sunday 10 September 06 18:34 BST (UK)
Hi all, sorry been busy with cricket and football past few days!!

So i am correct in this:

Robert Sucker = Frances
------ John Sucker = Eliza Stace
---------------Henry William Sucker = Eliza Ann ??(Mine)
-------------------12 children.

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 10 September 06 22:22 BST (UK)
Hello  there Keb

Henry  Clark's sister Sarah  the  mother of eliza ann  you say  you dont  know  her married name  but when  was she  born  and  where please


regards jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Sunday 10 September 06 22:48 BST (UK)
Hi Jenn, born c1819 in Bedminster,Bristol, Somerset/Gloucestershire,England.

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 10 September 06 22:54 BST (UK)
Hello  there Kev

thanks  have  you not had any record of  her since then  is  it possible  her and  her husband  may  have come  to australia as well?

regards Jenn


Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Sunday 10 September 06 23:05 BST (UK)
Sorry Jenn, yes she was in Australia, possibly for a long while.

Doesn't seem to appear in the censuses, but may already be married by then so i wouldn't know if it was her, the only marriage i can find thats looks possible is to John Vowles, but no evidence of this being correct.

She is in one of Henys letters says to his Nephew Francis(father Edward) " ask him my age and his sister SARAH age, she says she is 10 years older than me and she looks 20, she can get about very well at times"

And in the letter about Eliza Anna S/Zucker says "I have been corresponding with Cousin Eliza Anna Zucker, that is your cousin and Aunt Sarahs daughter, that is your aunt the one uncle henry thought so much about that lives in Australia"

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 16 September 06 12:57 BST (UK)
Hello there

Kev  I have been  doing a bit of sluething about  and  through a contat have found  that the Suckers still own  the Commercial Hotel  in Morpeth!!!!!

I shall pm  you  with an email  address.  The lady  is  related  through  the Stace  families  which  married  into  the Suckers and  the Duck  families  which I think  were part of the Stace family

Let us know  of  any further developements, we are all very interested :P

Also  she tells me  that she couldn't find  the marriage of Eliza Ann  daughter of your Sarah Clark and  Henry William Sucker (he was the son of  John Sucker and Eliza Stace.)
but believes Eliza maiden name was Smith( bugger it

The only was  is to get eliza ann suckers death certificate and hope who ever filled it out  knew her paretns details.

hope this helps  a little

regards Jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Saturday 16 September 06 16:07 BST (UK)
Hi Jenn, thats great i will get a transcription of elizas death cert next week, still waiting for Henry Clarks.

Smith!!!! would you believe it.

Thanks for all your hard work.

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Thursday 21 September 06 13:22 BST (UK)
Hi all, got the transcription of henrys death.

Date 19/09/1907 (got it on 19/09/2006 how spooky!!!)

place Neatesfield, Boggabri

Laborer

age 84(close)

POB Bristol
Time in Aus 46 years NSW(actually 48)

Father Francis (correct)
Hotelkeeper (possible)
Mother Ann (incorrect, but none of them were likely to know)

Marriage Bristol (correct)
age at marriage 36 (close)
spouse Martha ANN Fussell (Green not Ann)

Children : Isaac 47(actually 49), James 45, Mary 43, Martha 41, Sarah 39,William 37 all living.

Informant Isaac Clark

Cause influenza, Bronchitis

length of illness 10 days

date of burial 20/9/1907
at CofE cemetery Boggabri


I have also contacted Cherie to see if she can help.

Kev. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Thursday 21 September 06 16:09 BST (UK)
Also  ;D

In one of the letters he says his youngest is married to a master builder in wolverhampton.

So i reaslised Sarah is the youngest born 1867, i then checked in 1901 census for any sarahs born c1867 in Australia, 1 living in Wolverhampton with husband John BREVITT, went to NSW BMDs and checked and YES!!! marriage in Singleton 1889 to Sarah Clark, so it all ties in.

They had a son William John Brevitt born Melbourne 1891 according to census.
Then must have gone to England.

I have gone through all the relatives on the NSW BDMs and found their marraiges, kids and deaths, thank you all for your help.

Still trying with Eliza Anna Sucker :P :P

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: gennig on Thursday 21 September 06 16:22 BST (UK)
Hi Kev

The following from Vic indexes

Parents: John BREVITT & Sarah CLARK
William John BREVITT born Hawthorn 1890 Reg: 13755
Ursula Winifred BREVITT born Camberwell 1891 Reg: 20576 died Aged 3days 1891 Reg: 9495

Genni
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Thursday 21 September 06 18:36 BST (UK)
Thanks Genni. ;D

Is there anyway i can find out when they came to England or when he went to Australia as he was born in Staffordshire?

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: trish251 on Friday 22 September 06 02:09 BST (UK)
Hi Kev

There is a lone John Brevitt arrived in 1886

BREVITT JOHN Age 26 Date MAY 1886 Ship GARONNE Port B  Fiche 467 009

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23

Genni is great at checking the fiche for any other details - I tried at our library last week & nearly went crazy trying to find the correct image (and now our library is closed for 3 months while everything moves).

There are very few records of people leaving  Australia. As is the custom now, it seems you are always allowed to leave without any concern, arriving is when you are recorded

Trish
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Friday 29 September 06 12:41 BST (UK)
Thanks Trish. Sorry i missed your post somehow!! :-[

I now have Eliza Ann Suckers death cert.

AND!!   mother is SARAH CLARK yeah ;D

BUT father is JOHN REED not John Smith as i was told.

Even better is i then managed to find them in the 1851 census and 1841 census.

So new marriage was before 1841 and managed to find it in Bristol 1839. ;D

Also says Eliza was born in Bristol not Aus. So managed to find her birth in March 1854.

It says that she was in Australia for 83 years so that would be 1855ish.

Can anyone find their arrival please?

It is also a dead cert its them as in the letters it says "John Read has been dead 10 months" and we ddn't know who he was, now i do ;D

Having read again the John Read bit in the letter it says his wife(sarah) wants to know about her son Frederick, he is in 1851 census but then they must go to Aus, i want to know if he went with them.

Thanks all nearly complete now.

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Friday 29 September 06 12:47 BST (UK)
Managed to find them myself ;D ;D


1855 on the Ebba Brahe:

John
Sarah

Frederick
John
Eliza (infant)

Can i get any more info?

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 29 September 06 13:17 BST (UK)
Hello  there Kev

Well  that  is  good  news is't it.

so  you  have  found  sarah  clark  and  the  death  for  eliza  sucker revealed all 

have  you  found  their  deaths as yet?  will have  alook  and see  what turns  up

regards Jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Friday 29 September 06 14:42 BST (UK)
Hi Jenn,

Well that bit i am confused about.

There is a Sarah Reed death 1904, father is correct, but mother is wrong again!! mother is as Sarah A and should be Mary, would Newcastle be the correct area?

I think the John Reed 1901 may be him parents John and Sarah, but that may be a child of theirs.

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 29 September 06 23:02 BST (UK)
Hello   there Kev

yes  Newcastle  is  the  right area  assuming  the  family stayed  in the same area

I saw  that death  and  thought   the same as you  mother wrong again!!

It  is  hard  to say  with  John  Reed  not  knowing  his parentage at all  by  the  letters  does  it  give  any  indication  as  to when  he  may  have died  there  is   john reed  dying  in Wallsend  (same area) in 1891
Also  there Is  a John  Reed  who marries  a Sarah in  the  1870's in Morpeth  just  to  addd a bit of  confusion  to  the mix!!

I will hve a  good look  through  the cemeteries  and see what  I might  find

also  you can order a copy  of   the shipping record  on  line  at  the NSW state Records Office  but  a  friend  of  mine  just  got  a copy  only  yesterday  and  it  didnt  reveal  anymore  than  what  the online index said!!! so  I dont  know  about  that maybe another RC  could advise you  there
regards Jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 29 September 06 23:28 BST (UK)
Hello  there Kev

You  went  and  brought  the death certificate  and  found out  who  was Elza Sucker.  I t is  a point  that so many Rootschatters  try  to  make  to  others that if  you  dont  know and  others  dont  know  either  then  the  only way  to get  more info  is to  get certificates.  The lady who  I had contact with  and  who  then  you had  contact  with, well   someone  in  the family  had  written  a book  but  though  that eliza name was Smith  they  couldn" t  find  the marriage of  eliza ana  and John Sucker  (neither can I)  but  the death certificate would  have reveled her parentage and  her  place  of Birth! ( Not  that  this  happens everytime but  it is a  great starting point)  So well done Kev  you  have solved a bit  of  that families  puzzle as  well as your own.

Now  in   the Morpeth Cemetery  I found  John Reed  died 27/3/1936 aged 85 So  might  that be  Sarah and John Reeds Son? the  age  would fit?  also  buried  with  his wife, yes Sarah  aged 71 died in 1927 .

Regards Jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Saturday 30 September 06 00:49 BST (UK)
Hi Jenn, i think the son may have married Sarah Mcduff/Macduff.

I agree with you i am always grateful for information from others but i need to know the source before it goes in my tree. ;D

According to the letters, the October 1902 letter states" John Read is dead about 10 months, his wife is living" so thats why i liked the 1901. Strange thing to write as "his wife" was actually his sister. But that seems the way he wrote, all the husbands seem to be the focus of the letters, as in when the family is mentioned it is always the males that take precendent.

I have sent a message to Cherie to tell her about the death cert, no reply as of yet, but i am unsure of the time in Aus?

I will send her all the details i found tomorrow.

Glad i didn't pay for the Eliza Ann smith birth though ;D

The John Reed you found looks likely to be the son.

One part of the letters i don't get is in Feb 1903 Henry says" John Reed is dead the old woman is alive and well - someone has put a bit of paper in your letter to know about her son Fred wife and children - i dont know any Fred" Well according to all i have found Fred is Sarahs son, so surely Henry would know him? Unless he died, but he was with them when they went to Aus.

Thanks again for all your help.

Kev.

Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: trish251 on Saturday 30 September 06 02:20 BST (UK)
1855 on the Ebba Brahe:

John
Sarah

Frederick
John
Eliza (infant)

Can i get any more info?


Hi Kev

Being "assisted" immigrants there may be a little more information available. You can buy it online for $25AU - noting if you have other families on the indexes from NSW you can add another page for $6 -
Alternatively, I usually buy from my transcription agent who also goes to the NSW archives. I think he charges $AU12 per family per reel - & sends a transcript by email. He doesn't have online credit card facilities, so it means a phone call or snail mail if you wish to pay by credit card.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/lturtle/nsw_state_archives.htm

The second reel numbers tend to give more information (based on what I have received) - these seem to be the immigration records, rather than shipping records). - in your case 2469. The transcript I received for an 1864 record included parents and names of any relations in the Colony as well as name, age, calling, where born, religion, read/write, health & usefulness (mine was "good")  ;D

Trish

Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 30 September 06 10:54 BST (UK)
hello   there Ken

Trisha  I got a surpirse  my friend  who  I had been helping  out brought  me  down  a  copy  of  the  passenger stuff for my ggm she  got  it as a surprise  when  she  got  hers
I was  a bit  luckierr  with  the info  than  she was. The info   didnt give  me  her parents   names  but  she  came  out  with  her sister and  the  info  state  they  had a brother Michael they  had  a brother  living  in  the  colony  so  I found  him  without too much  trouble  said she  could  read and write but  I have her wedding  certificate  which  bore  an  X for her signature  so  that was a fib (unforntunatley  the wedding  certificate didnt  include parents and she  came  from Ireland) gave me her occupation  So  it  was  worth  it  for  suree.  Just  thought  I would  through  the  info  in  for good  measure, Kev

regards Jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Saturday 30 September 06 15:16 BST (UK)
Hi both, so that would be about £10 i think. I will wait till next week and order it then, and maybe ask for Henry Clarks as well.

Is there anyway to find out the ages of people in the death lists on the NSW site without buying the cert or transcriptions.

I ask because there is a Frederick Reed died 1861, so that may explain why Henry didn't know him, but he would have been 19 then so it would be relatively unusual (i don't need the death cert for anything so it seems a bit of a waste of cash).  Also Henry arrived 1859 so you would think he had contact with his sister then and Frederick would have been there!

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: trish251 on Saturday 30 September 06 15:44 BST (UK)
Hi Kev

If you are going to buy multiple transcriptions it is probably cheaper to buy through the archives site - as I think you can get up to 4 or 5 with the first at $25 and others only $6. I may have it wrong - I'll leave you to do the arithmetic. My man charged me $12 for each reel - so it was $24 for the one family. I have learnt just to ask for the immigration reel  ;D

I don't think there is any way of obtaining death ages in NSW apart from on the certificate. One way I have found is to find a newspaper death notice, but if you only know the year of death - it can be a very long, boring search - which may not give a result.

If you can find a cemetery record - this will also give an age at death.

Maitland is near to Newcastle and this Frederick has the right parents - so the odds seem to be that it could well be son Frederick.

Trish


Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 01 October 06 00:32 BST (UK)
Kev, I did have a quick look at what is available online for the cemetries of Morpeth, Maitland,Newcastle etc. and apart from what Jenn found, could see nothing helpful.
If he died at 19 it would be surprising that he was not buried at least in the vicinity of family.
the Hunter Valley Hist Soc. offers a look-up I think.  will find it and post link for you.
Sue

Here is the link
http://www.huntervalleygenealogy.com/

Maybe try their forum.  There will be a stack of local knowledge there
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Sunday 08 October 06 23:01 BST (UK)
Hi all, thanks for your help, i think i am pretty much sorted now, still haven't ordered the assisted immigrants transcriptions need to wait til i get paid.

When i do i will let you know what i find.

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: angelaleigh on Thursday 09 November 06 23:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Guys,

My name is Angela Sucker and I have just started looking into my family tree.  I came across this discussion and although it looks like no-one posts here anymore I thought I'd pop in and say G'day.

I was looking into Elisa Ann and Henry William Sucker and trying to find records of their marriage and children etc.  I wondered how much info you had found on them.  I am convinved that this is my family line as my grandfather was also Henry William. It is hard to get records for the last decade though, especially for births.

Hope to hear from someone soon.

Thanks,
Angela.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 10 November 06 04:36 GMT (UK)
hello  there Angela   a
and  welcome  to Roots chat

if  you  read all of  this  thread  you should  find  a  bit  on the suckers see reply 32 onwards

Kev  is  in  england  who  started  this all off

do  you  have  your  grandmothers  name

and also  do  you still  live  in  the same  areas  as  the  suckers in  this thread  morpeth nsw

the  reason  no  one  posts on  this  thread  is  because  it  is  just abut through  Kev  having  got all  his  info

so  you  may  be  better  off starting a  new topic but  that  may  not be  needed

regards jenn
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: angelaleigh on Friday 10 November 06 05:25 GMT (UK)
I have read through the thread and had most of the info posted here from BD&M records in NSW (Although I can't find record of Eliza and Henry's marriage and I believe that one of their children's birth was registered twice). I think the hard part now will be finding info on Eliza and Henry's grandchildren given that those records are still restricted.

My grandmother's name is Paula.  I am yet to get my hands on her birth certificate or my grandfather's.  I am not sure that she has these records anymore and they are also restricted.

My family are still in the Morpeth/Maitland area. 

I thought about starting a new thread but I wanted to get into contact with the people on this thread as I knew that you guys probably already have some info I was after.

I noticed on one post that you were interested in seeing the statue erected for Henry by his brother Robert.  I intend to visit the cemetry one day soon so I may be able to post a pic for you.

Thanks,
Ang
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Friday 10 November 06 10:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Angela.

This is what i have:

1.  JOHN REED was born 1819 in Bath, and died 1901 in West Maitland.  He married SARAH CLARK Dec 1839 in Bristol, daughter of FRANCIS CLARK and MARY PILLYER.  She was born 1819.

More About JOHN REED and SARAH CLARK:
Marriage: Dec 1839, Bristol
   
Children of JOHN REED and SARAH CLARK are:
2.   i.   ELIZA ANNA REED, b. 1854, Bristol; d. 08     Feb 1938, Morpeth.
   ii.   FREDERICK REED, b. 1842, Bedminster.
   iii.   JOHN REED, b. 1852, Bristol.


Click on the report below for the Sucker bit.

Looks like 4 of the daughters never married!!! A bit odd really.

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Friday 10 November 06 10:30 GMT (UK)
Angela there is a marriage listed

Henry William Sucker and Paula May Smith  (East Maitland)

ref:

14801/1945  is this your grandparents?

Kev.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Friday 10 November 06 10:37 GMT (UK)
Had an idea.

If your Henry William is related(which seems likely to me)

He would have to be the son of either Ernest Record Sucker(16985/1961)  or Harry William V Sucker(34171/1957) .

If you order transcriptions of their death certs(refs above) it should tell you all their childrens names. I would order Harrys first.

That should sort it out ;D

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 10 November 06 10:43 GMT (UK)
Heloo  there

If  your granmother is still alive  if so  ask her if  she has a copy of  her wedding certificate  it will list  her parents names

then  you  can get  either  their marriage  or birth certificates

marriages  are avialable  to 1955
one of  our rooters Ozzy Bob has  births in NSW till 1918  so  you can ask him  for any help

regards Jenn

Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: angelaleigh on Friday 10 November 06 11:24 GMT (UK)
Wow... Thanks heaps for all of that.

For your info Kev,  I have a marriage record that seems to indicate that John Sucker (1877-1906) Married Margaret J Partridge in West Maitland in 1903.

Yes, that is my grandparents who married in 1945. Having trouble getting certificates as Grandma is very sick atm bt I think she still has them.

Was thinking along the same lines though, that we must be decended from Harry WV or Ernest.  Should be interesting to find out.  I am fairly certain that this should be the generation before my grandparents since the times seem to fit.

I'll have to contact Ozzy Bob and see if he has any helpful info.

Thanks again,

Angela
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Friday 10 November 06 11:36 GMT (UK)
Angela i have LOADS on the Clarks. Been really researching them thoroughly.

Let me know if you get the certs. I use a transcription agent for mine. Recommended in this post. Really good service and quite cheap.

I also have some more Sucker info sent to me by Cherie in NSW. It is all her work.

Hi Jenn, hope you are well.

Just had contact from someone who is Isaac Daniel Clarks grandson!!

Didn't know about OzzyBob having Births to 1918 might see if there anything i need looking up ;D

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: angelaleigh on Friday 10 November 06 11:42 GMT (UK)
I would love to get any info that you have that may fit in, especially on the Suckers as that's what I am focusing on at the moment but everything else would probably come in handy further down the track.

As I said I am just starting out so I don't have alot to go on.

Thankx again and I'll let you know if I get those certs.

Ang.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 10 November 06 12:48 GMT (UK)
hello  there Kev

yes I am  well and  fit  except for a  visit to the denists  this week with a cracked tooth  yuckkk

glad  to see you  have  had success with  this family  no  pun  intended :o

if  you  have a look  at  the start of  emmigrants to  australia  you will see  a  listing by  states  as  to  what  sites  are about and  also  you will see Bobs  offer of lookups

happy  hunting
regards jenn

ps  cherie  is  no  doubt  a  cousin  or such  to angela
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Theyoungestone on Sunday 09 December 18 03:29 GMT (UK)
Hi! I am not sure where you are all up to with the search on Eliza Ann Sucker. But maybe I can help.

Happy to share what I know and have.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Theyoungestone on Sunday 09 December 18 03:39 GMT (UK)
Both John Sucker and his son (my great grandfather) married ladies called Eliza Ann. Do this could cause confusion. The younger of the two Eliza Ann's was Eliza Ann Reed and she was the daughter of Sarah Clark.
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: KitCarson on Sunday 09 December 18 13:47 GMT (UK)
Hello Theyoungestone and welcome to RootsChat,

Unfortunately, I can't help you with this topic, but Kevwood was last active in August and he will receive a notification that you have posted on this topic which he started.

If you post one more time, you will be able to Personal Message (PM) Kevwood or anyone else.

Good luck with your research,  Kit
Title: Re: Can anyone advise me how to start this line of research please
Post by: Kevwood on Saturday 29 December 18 11:29 GMT (UK)
Hi the youngestone, I'm still around, it's been a long time since I researched the Suckers but let me know if I can help in anyway