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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Kevwood on Saturday 02 September 06 17:21 BST (UK)
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Hi, i am trying to find out how to start to find any information on this family:
HENRY J CLARK born 1829 in Bedminster, Somerset.
moved to Australia, but i have no idea when.
But i do know that he lived at :
Peacock Street,
East Maitland,
NSW
in 1902
He had 3 girls and 3 boys and married MARTHA
he was there in the 1893 flood
and was ill in 1904 so may have died around then.
Any ideas or help will be greatly appreciated.
Also, very very little info , but due to surnamr thought id ask.
Eliza Anna ZUCKER alive in 1926 and living at:
Commercial Hotel,
Swan Street,
Morpeth,
NSW
Think her mother was Sarah.
Thanks.
Kev. ;D
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Hi
There are two possibles for you Henry Clark on the 1841 census. Would you know what his fathers name was. ?
genechaser
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Hi Kev
You can search the NSW BMD here http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm :)
Casalguidi
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Hi Genechaser, his fathers name was Francis.
Hi Cas.
Thanks i will have a look now.
Kev. ;D
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Genechaser, sorry just realised he wouldn't be on that census he appears on the 1841 and 1851 england censuses.
Kev.
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Hello there
Where does the Zucker fit in
regards jenn
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Hi Jenn, i have been sent a load of letters from 1903 to 1926 and in them are various family members writing about and trying to work out their cousin.
In one of them in has the address and says cousin ELIZA ANN ZUCKER daughter or your sister SARAH (letter to Henry Clark)
Kev. ;D
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Hi Kev
There is only one death for Henry Clark in NSW between 1900 and 1920 with a father Francis - was his mother Ann? Location is Boggabri - about 300km west of maitland.
Ref 8173/1907 - from site given by Cas.
A transcript of the certificate ($15AU) should provide much useful information - parents, children, wife, time in Australia etc
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm#TranscriptionAgent
Trish
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Hi Trish, saw it and his mother was Mary not Ann.
I think i may have found two nephews of his on it though.
Alfred Charles and Edward Thomas Clark, i know both went to Australia as he mentioned that they visited.
Thanks for looking ;D
Kev.
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Hello there
Would you please tell us what his mothers name was and have you or anyone found him on the census
and do you know if he married in england or oz
regards jenn
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I assume the children born at Patrick's Plain were probably his Kev? The Newcastle/Maitland/Hunter area has some good family history societies and there world be cemetery records around for the district. (I think the Newcastle library also has much information). Google should provide information.
His death should definitely be there, unless he went to another state. He was quite old & I'm wondering if whoever gave the death details had his mother's name incorrect?
For a slightly lesser fee the transcription agents will check if the person is yours - if you find nothing else may be worth while.
Have you looked for marriages for the children? location may be of interest.
Trish
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I should have mentioned - I know there was an 1893 flood in the Brisbane area - do not know about NSW. Did he mention where the flood was?
Trish
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Jenn i have , Mary and got him in 1841 and 1951 england censuses as i said above,
Wasn't married then, thank you for your help.
Trish i think the children must be his.
He says "we are getting plenty of rain, not had much since the 93 flood" in a letter dated 1902 with the same address as above.
I think it may well be the wrong mothers name listed also.
Thank you all for your help.
Kev. ;D
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Hi there,
Could this be your Alferd Charles and Edward Thomas CLARK death.
18977/1951 Name: CLARK ALFRED CHARLES Father: FRANCIS WILLIAM CLARK. Mother: MARY ANN Place of Death: BALMAIN
28884/1946 Name: CLARK. EDWARD THOMAS Father: JAMES Mother:ANNIE Place of Death:WEST WYALONG
8168/1936 Name: CLARK. EDWARD THOMAS Mother: MARY ANNA EVAN. Place of Death: NEWCASTLE
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Hi All
Don't know if you have this.
Henry J CLARKE married Martha Susannah PANKHURST at Patrick's Plains Ref: 6995/1885
children:-
Jeanie C born West Maitland 1886
Edward A born West Maitland 1887
Mary W born Singleton 1888
Reginald H born Singleton 1890
John McK born Muswellbrook 1894 died 1894
Genni
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Hi all, thank you very much.
Ozybob, thats definately my Alfred Charles, mother and father spot on. But Edward Thomas was his brother so hes not one of the other two.
Thanks Genni
I think that could be him and his family, but he was born in 1829 so the kids might be a bit too late, depends how old Martha was i suppose?
The only reason i know his wife was Martha is from his letters, so i really have no idea or information about her at all.
Anybody anything on Eliza Ann Zucker?
Thanks again.
Kev.
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Hi All
Don't know if you have this.
Henry J CLARKE married Martha Susannah PANKHURST at Patrick's Plains Ref: 6995/1885
children:-
Jeanie C born West Maitland 1886
Edward A born West Maitland 1887
Mary W born Singleton 1888
Reginald H born Singleton 1890
John McK born Muswellbrook 1894 died 1894
Genni
Can rule this family out. Henry & Martha died in Inverell. Henry's parents: Edward Wiseman & Catherine.
Genni
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Hi Kev and Genni
These were the children I was thinking would belong to Henry & Martha. The last one may be an error in transcription giving Martha's maiden name - or it might be her second name.
V18582003 160/1858 CLARK ISAAC D Parents HENRY MARTHA
An OPR - no location given.
These are all from Patrick's plain.
10884/1860 FRANCIS J Parents Henry Martha
12145/1862 MARY E Parents Henry Martha
13388/1865 MARTHA A Parents Henry Martha G
14403/1867 SARAH E Parents Henry Martha G
15463/1870 CONSTANCE Parents Henry Martha
15881/1871 WILLIAM S Parents Henry Martha
15981/1872 UNNAMED Parents Henry Martha G
16921/1873 EDWARD JOHN Parents Henry Martha
17787/1875 HENRY ROBERT Parents Henry Martha Green
You can probably follow the children through marriages / deaths.
I could find no sign of Eliza Ann Zucker. It seems a fairly unique name. Perhaps she came here for a visit & returned to UK? There is a Christian Zucker with wife Charlotte who seemed to start the NSW family of this name.
Trish
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Hi
I was leaning towards these as well Trish.
You can add Isaac D he was born 1858 no place of birth.
Isaac died in Boggabri in 1933.
I notice there is a Henry dying 1907 in Boggabri.
In the letter he refers to having 3 sons & 3 daughters. The unamed infant, Henry R, Constance & Edward J all die in infancy. Leaving this Henry & Martha with 3 sons, Isaac, Francis & William and 3 daugthers Mary E, Martha A & Sarah E.
Genni
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I also lean toward the 1907 death Genni - although the mother's name appears to be incorrect. Probably only a transcript would confirm it Kev.
Trish
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http://cemindex.arkangles.com/cemeteries.php
Has listings for Boggabri and Narrabri Cemeteris.
There are 'connections' and probable descendants of the family shown including Isaac Daniel and others.
Best of all there are LOVELY PICTURES of heaadstones to read and view and they will explain a lot of links between the Clarks in the area.
Wondeful site!!
Sue
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Hello all
you are right sue that is a very good site have used it and recommended lovely work in it
but strange that henry isnt in the boggabri cemetery?
I wonder if he is interned with martha?
regards jenn
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18977/1951 Name: CLARK ALFRED CHARLES Father: FRANCIS WILLIAM CLARK. Mother: MARY ANN Place of Death: BALMAIN
from ozybobs post we see that this entry list the clark brothers mother as mary ann
so the one for henry with the father francis and the mother ann is more thatn likey yours kev
regards jenn
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Thank you all will have a good look through everything and let you all know what great work youve done ;D ;D
Jenn, Alfred Charles Clarks entry is spot on. But Henry J was Alberts fathers(Francis William) uncle so his parents were a different Francis (Francis Waters Clark) and Mary Pillyer, not Mary Ann. But i do think it is the correct death just there would have been no one that new Henrys mothers name. I would imagine they would never have met her as she was in Bristol and they were in Australia and she may have died around 1851/61(haven't found it yet!) which would probably be before he went to Australia.
Thanks again,
Kev.
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Hi Kevwood
Found the following family arriving Assisted Passage to NSW.
Aboard the 'Hornet' 1859
Henry Clark 29
Martha Clark 26
Isaac D Clark Infant
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=4
Also found a marriage in England which could be a possible.
Sep Qtr 1856 Bristol 6a 73
Henry Clark
same page
Martha Green Fussell
Genni
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Hello there
Wow Genni
thats excellent results for rv
what a wonderfull inspiration you are to all of us.
You are allways so concise and spot on, makes me strive to do more
regards Jenn
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It would be interesting to look at the baptism for Isaac - listed as 1858 - presumably he was born onboard or just before they left England - perhaps baptised when he arrived, but the birth date recorded.
The Hornet arrived March 1859 according to the following
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1859/03/5903.htm
seems to be an error in the transcription heading (1860 listed) and the list is the crew plus a summary of the passengers.
Hornet of London G GREIVES Master 1155 TONS
London to Sydney 3 March 1860 (error I think).
Trish
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I have found a birth in June Qtr 1858
Isaac Daniel CLARK Bedminster 5c 773
I'm thinking the NSW entry refers to a christening, it's definitely a Church record and has no district.
A Martha G CLARKE died in Patircks Plain in 1878 parents listed as Robert & Betsy
I have found a Martha FUSSELL aged 6 living with parents Robert & Betty in Bedminster on the 1841 census.
Of course, this is all supposition without a certificate to confirm anything.
Genni
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Genni, you star you may have cracked it!!!!!! ;D ;D
One of Henrys letters is to a Robert Fussell and it doesn't say who he was, i have been trying to find him.
All looks good to me.
Fantastic ;D Thank you very much.
Kev.
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Hello there Kev
how about posting the names of peoples you have letters to and fro that would be of great help
regards jenn
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Hello there Kev
Going by this info that Genni has supplied one of the headstone in the Boggabri cemetery (in the link that Sue has added)
you will see a headstone for
FUSSELL SNELL CLARK died in 1976 aged 77
he was the sone of Isaac D Clark and wife Jane Snell
born 1898/24798 at Quirindi, NSW
this couple also had the following children
Henry James born 1887/35363 at Tenterfield
died 1964/10784 at Burwood
Mabel J born 1890/34064 at Tenterfield
Isaac V born 1892/30121 at Quirindi
Died 1898/15600 at Quirindi
Elsie born 30404/1893 Quirindi
William Vincent born 1896/15734 Quirindi
Died 1962/37617 at Wyong
NO doubt one of yours!
regards Jenn
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Hello there Kev
by your posts you have given us this information
Quote"
Eliza Anna ZUCKER alive in 1926 and living at:
Commercial Hotel,
Swan Street,
Morpeth,
NSW
In one of them in has the address and says cousin ELIZA ANN ZUCKER daughter or your sister SARAH (letter to Henry Clark)"unquote
So just trying to put this information together
when Henry was alive he had a letter about Eliza Ann Zucker?
and then there was aonther letter from her with the address on or did someone else send it to whom regarding her?
regards jenn
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Hello there Kev
on the nsw bdm
there is a death for
Eliza Ann Sucker 1938/874 at morpeth nsw
father John mother Sarah
this is the same place as the letter
regards jenn
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Hi
The some of the Sucker family are buried at Morpeth.
http://www.huntervalleygenealogy.com/cemeteries/moranglic2.php
I have not been able to find the marriage between Eliza Ann & Henry William SUCKER. But there were a number of children born to them, beginning 1877 to 1890's.
Do you have any idea of Sarah's married name?
Genni
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Hi, Jenn and Genni, nice work yet again ;D
Eliza Ann Sucker looks like the one.
I did see the Fussell Clark one, but couldn't work out who he was, now i know ;D
There are 37 pages of letters and a lot of the names are mentioned in them, most of them are to people i know, the ones that mention Eliza Anna Z/Sucker are from Ida May Fetterman in the USA, with a lot of work from Liverpool Annie i now know all her siblings and worked out who her parents were.
I will have a look to see if there are any more realting to Oz.
I have no idea of Sarah Clarks married name, really annoying!!
Jenn, off the top of my head one letter from Ida May mentions having a letter from Eliza Anna and another letter from her just says heres the address if you want to contact her.
Thank you both for your help again.
Kev. ;D ;D
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Hello all
you are right sue that is a very good site have used it and recommended lovely work in it
but strange that henry isnt in the boggabri cemetery?
I wonder if he is interned with martha?
regards jenn
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just reading through the posts and realised this was a dumb thing to say he may of course be in the boggabri cemetery but no headstone but then he could be interned elsewhere his death certificate would show where
regards jenn
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Transcription of Henry Clarks death cert just ordered.
Kev. ;D
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Hi Kev
If this is your first venture into Australian certificates you should be pleased with the result - Our death certificates are rather like a one person census, with a little extra thrown in. This site gives the information for each state
http://www.sag.org.au/ozsources/civil.htm
Trish
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Hi Trish, it is and i wish the Uk death certs were as good!!
I have very little cash at the minute and didn't know how much 15 ausd was, when i worked out about £6 i thought it was well worth it,knowing my luck i worked it out wrong and its £20. Hope not anyway ;D ;D
With all this wonderful info people are giving me it says me a fortune.
Kev. ;D
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No, No need to worry about that mate, you are right in your conversion.
British pounds 6 for our $15 ..
It is quite a difference and one of the reassons that people outside uk like to be fairly certain about a ancestor before they order a certificate from your gro.gov.uk. This is where the census site and helpful UK searchers really are so appreciated.
At about $35 it is a noticable chunk.
A girlfriend of mine says she spends more on certs from UK than on clothes. Easy to do.
Anyhow, We all hope you will keep us informed when it arrives as the Clarks are starting to feel like family !!!
I wonder why the Eliza S/Zucker was living in a hotel in1926.
Mmm...Not finished yet really.
Sue
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Thanks Sue, glad to know the maths part of my brain is still working , i will try and scan some of the transcrips of the letters over the weekend and post them.
When i first started doing this i spent a fortune on certs, as it happened probably worth it, but thats not always the case!!
Kev.
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Hello All
Hey Sue I did wonder the same thing, maybe she was the licenssee of the pub, or the family owned the pub.
You have a lot of knowledge 'bout cemeteries, and you could tell me this the Sucker Family have quite a few headtsones is this an inidication of being well off?
regards jenn
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Hi Jenn and All
Well, yes there are a lot of Suckers at the Morphett Cemetery, but when you really study the Births, Marriages and Deaths available on them through bdm.nsw. you see that there are are 3 generations of them. You have to tie the inscriptions to the bdms
Anyhow this is the approximate picture.
There were 3 Eliza Suckers, [2 of them Eliza Ann]
1. Eliza [nee Stace] married to John.
Parents of HENRY WILIAM [among others]
2. Eliza Ann [our suspect!]who married HENRY WILLIAM and died 1938
3. Eliza Ann daughter of HENRY WILLIAM.d. 1952
The 2 listings for Suckel in the cemetery are misprints of Sucker. They are sons of Eliza Ann (2)
I have just about got the ins & outs unravelled and agree that the 1938 death is the one of interest and Henry William died 1915
It gets hard when they just keep using the same name over & over.
EXCEPT for Ernest RECORD [most unusual!!] which made me laugh because I think he was child number 10 or 11 or 12 for Eliza and probably a RECORD for the area.
Sue
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Hello all
I haven't been able to find a marriage for Henry W Sucker and Eliza Ann????? either
have tried the neighboring states nothing at all, could they have been married and it not been "regisitered"
I Guess if Kev gets a death certificate or three it may un ravel the mystery a bit more
The only way of knowing if Eliza Ann Sucker is related is to get the death certificate and hope like hell that the informant knew the correct details, but then Kev, you don't know her maiden name as yet either, do you?
I just got in the mail yesterday a NSW marriage certificate for my ggp's and wouldn't you know the information that I really wanted was blank no parents details or place of birth no occupations nothing filled in, Bugger!!!!, but nil desperandum as they say it does say the church they were married at in Coota so I still have an avenue to search 8)
It is a risk we all take :o
regards Jenn
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Hi all
According to "Greville's Post Office Directory" of 1872, John Sucker was an Innkeeper, Swan Street, Morpeth.
In 1888 John Sucker was the Publican of the "Crown & Anchor Hotel" in Morpeth.
In 1892 Mrs Sucker had repairs done to the "Crown & Anchor Hotel"
The "Crown & Anchor" doesn't appear exist in present day, but possibly renamed the "Commercial Hotel" given the street location.
The following are some pictures of the "Commercial Hotel" Morpeth
http://www.mq.com.au/commercial_hotel_morpeth.htm
This link maybe b helpful.
http://www.huntervalleygenealogy.com/
Genni
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Hello there
Tthe NSW State Record Office has a listing under desceased estates for J Sucker 1906 this is Henry and Eliza's Son the One who was the publican.
This document may throw further light on the family
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/quicksearch.aspx?k=sucker&scope=2
Also a very interesting entry for James Sucker a convict
regards Jenn
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Fantastic searching jenn and genni.
I think I will pm Kev with a couple of modern-day snippets.
the phone number of the Commercial Hotel.
And the name address and phone number of a Sucker who lives in a street very nearby to Swan Street., Morpeth ( sorry about my awful spelling of it before, Just got it now)
I wonder if he is by any wonderful chance. a publican.?
Sue
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Hi Jenn,
The John you refer to married Margaret Partridge in 1903.
As you say he died 1906. Bit sad.
It makes it look like the Mrs Sucker [repairs] that Genni found could be his mother,
For general interest, the parents of John who was the father of Henry William were Robert and mother was Frances.
John married his Eliza in 1848 and he died 1890. Henry's brother Robert J. erected a monument to him in the cemetery.
Don't know where that puts the convict James, but would LOVE to fit him somewhere.
Sue
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Hi All
I believe the John SUCKER who married Eliza STACE (Henry W's parents) arrived in Australia as a convict in 1837 on the "Mangles".
Genni
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Hi Jenn,
The John you refer to married Margaret Partridge in 1903.
As you say he died 1906. Bit sad.
It makes it look like the Mrs Sucker [repairs] that Genni found could be his mother,
For general interest, the parents of John who was the father of Henry William were Robert and mother was Frances.
John married his Eliza in 1848 and he died 1890. Henry's brother Robert J. erected a monument to him in the cemetery.
Don't know where that puts the convict James, but would LOVE to fit him somewhere.
Sue
Hey there
wouldn't be so nice if we could see these headstone/ monuments.
regards Jenn
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Hi All
I believe the John SUCKER who married Eliza STACE (Henry W's parents) arrived in Australia as a convict in 1837 on the "Mangles".
Genni
So Gennie that is not the same one on the NSW State Records? it is a different Sucker ::)
jenn
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OOOooo!
Maybe brothers or some such.
The name James does come up as a second name in the family.
JohnSenior's death cert. might make intersting reading.
Sue
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Hi all, sorry been busy with cricket and football past few days!!
So i am correct in this:
Robert Sucker = Frances
------ John Sucker = Eliza Stace
---------------Henry William Sucker = Eliza Ann ??(Mine)
-------------------12 children.
Kev.
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Hello there Keb
Henry Clark's sister Sarah the mother of eliza ann you say you dont know her married name but when was she born and where please
regards jenn
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Hi Jenn, born c1819 in Bedminster,Bristol, Somerset/Gloucestershire,England.
Kev.
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Hello there Kev
thanks have you not had any record of her since then is it possible her and her husband may have come to australia as well?
regards Jenn
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Sorry Jenn, yes she was in Australia, possibly for a long while.
Doesn't seem to appear in the censuses, but may already be married by then so i wouldn't know if it was her, the only marriage i can find thats looks possible is to John Vowles, but no evidence of this being correct.
She is in one of Henys letters says to his Nephew Francis(father Edward) " ask him my age and his sister SARAH age, she says she is 10 years older than me and she looks 20, she can get about very well at times"
And in the letter about Eliza Anna S/Zucker says "I have been corresponding with Cousin Eliza Anna Zucker, that is your cousin and Aunt Sarahs daughter, that is your aunt the one uncle henry thought so much about that lives in Australia"
Kev.
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Hello there
Kev I have been doing a bit of sluething about and through a contat have found that the Suckers still own the Commercial Hotel in Morpeth!!!!!
I shall pm you with an email address. The lady is related through the Stace families which married into the Suckers and the Duck families which I think were part of the Stace family
Let us know of any further developements, we are all very interested :P
Also she tells me that she couldn't find the marriage of Eliza Ann daughter of your Sarah Clark and Henry William Sucker (he was the son of John Sucker and Eliza Stace.)
but believes Eliza maiden name was Smith( bugger it
The only was is to get eliza ann suckers death certificate and hope who ever filled it out knew her paretns details.
hope this helps a little
regards Jenn
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Hi Jenn, thats great i will get a transcription of elizas death cert next week, still waiting for Henry Clarks.
Smith!!!! would you believe it.
Thanks for all your hard work.
Kev.
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Hi all, got the transcription of henrys death.
Date 19/09/1907 (got it on 19/09/2006 how spooky!!!)
place Neatesfield, Boggabri
Laborer
age 84(close)
POB Bristol
Time in Aus 46 years NSW(actually 48)
Father Francis (correct)
Hotelkeeper (possible)
Mother Ann (incorrect, but none of them were likely to know)
Marriage Bristol (correct)
age at marriage 36 (close)
spouse Martha ANN Fussell (Green not Ann)
Children : Isaac 47(actually 49), James 45, Mary 43, Martha 41, Sarah 39,William 37 all living.
Informant Isaac Clark
Cause influenza, Bronchitis
length of illness 10 days
date of burial 20/9/1907
at CofE cemetery Boggabri
I have also contacted Cherie to see if she can help.
Kev. ;D ;D
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Also ;D
In one of the letters he says his youngest is married to a master builder in wolverhampton.
So i reaslised Sarah is the youngest born 1867, i then checked in 1901 census for any sarahs born c1867 in Australia, 1 living in Wolverhampton with husband John BREVITT, went to NSW BMDs and checked and YES!!! marriage in Singleton 1889 to Sarah Clark, so it all ties in.
They had a son William John Brevitt born Melbourne 1891 according to census.
Then must have gone to England.
I have gone through all the relatives on the NSW BDMs and found their marraiges, kids and deaths, thank you all for your help.
Still trying with Eliza Anna Sucker :P :P
Kev. ;D
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Hi Kev
The following from Vic indexes
Parents: John BREVITT & Sarah CLARK
William John BREVITT born Hawthorn 1890 Reg: 13755
Ursula Winifred BREVITT born Camberwell 1891 Reg: 20576 died Aged 3days 1891 Reg: 9495
Genni
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Thanks Genni. ;D
Is there anyway i can find out when they came to England or when he went to Australia as he was born in Staffordshire?
Kev.
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Hi Kev
There is a lone John Brevitt arrived in 1886
BREVITT JOHN Age 26 Date MAY 1886 Ship GARONNE Port B Fiche 467 009
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23
Genni is great at checking the fiche for any other details - I tried at our library last week & nearly went crazy trying to find the correct image (and now our library is closed for 3 months while everything moves).
There are very few records of people leaving Australia. As is the custom now, it seems you are always allowed to leave without any concern, arriving is when you are recorded
Trish
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Thanks Trish. Sorry i missed your post somehow!! :-[
I now have Eliza Ann Suckers death cert.
AND!! mother is SARAH CLARK yeah ;D
BUT father is JOHN REED not John Smith as i was told.
Even better is i then managed to find them in the 1851 census and 1841 census.
So new marriage was before 1841 and managed to find it in Bristol 1839. ;D
Also says Eliza was born in Bristol not Aus. So managed to find her birth in March 1854.
It says that she was in Australia for 83 years so that would be 1855ish.
Can anyone find their arrival please?
It is also a dead cert its them as in the letters it says "John Read has been dead 10 months" and we ddn't know who he was, now i do ;D
Having read again the John Read bit in the letter it says his wife(sarah) wants to know about her son Frederick, he is in 1851 census but then they must go to Aus, i want to know if he went with them.
Thanks all nearly complete now.
Kev. ;D
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Managed to find them myself ;D ;D
1855 on the Ebba Brahe:
John
Sarah
Frederick
John
Eliza (infant)
Can i get any more info?
Kev.
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Hello there Kev
Well that is good news is't it.
so you have found sarah clark and the death for eliza sucker revealed all
have you found their deaths as yet? will have alook and see what turns up
regards Jenn
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Hi Jenn,
Well that bit i am confused about.
There is a Sarah Reed death 1904, father is correct, but mother is wrong again!! mother is as Sarah A and should be Mary, would Newcastle be the correct area?
I think the John Reed 1901 may be him parents John and Sarah, but that may be a child of theirs.
Kev.
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Hello there Kev
yes Newcastle is the right area assuming the family stayed in the same area
I saw that death and thought the same as you mother wrong again!!
It is hard to say with John Reed not knowing his parentage at all by the letters does it give any indication as to when he may have died there is john reed dying in Wallsend (same area) in 1891
Also there Is a John Reed who marries a Sarah in the 1870's in Morpeth just to addd a bit of confusion to the mix!!
I will hve a good look through the cemeteries and see what I might find
also you can order a copy of the shipping record on line at the NSW state Records Office but a friend of mine just got a copy only yesterday and it didnt reveal anymore than what the online index said!!! so I dont know about that maybe another RC could advise you there
regards Jenn
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Hello there Kev
You went and brought the death certificate and found out who was Elza Sucker. I t is a point that so many Rootschatters try to make to others that if you dont know and others dont know either then the only way to get more info is to get certificates. The lady who I had contact with and who then you had contact with, well someone in the family had written a book but though that eliza name was Smith they couldn" t find the marriage of eliza ana and John Sucker (neither can I) but the death certificate would have reveled her parentage and her place of Birth! ( Not that this happens everytime but it is a great starting point) So well done Kev you have solved a bit of that families puzzle as well as your own.
Now in the Morpeth Cemetery I found John Reed died 27/3/1936 aged 85 So might that be Sarah and John Reeds Son? the age would fit? also buried with his wife, yes Sarah aged 71 died in 1927 .
Regards Jenn
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Hi Jenn, i think the son may have married Sarah Mcduff/Macduff.
I agree with you i am always grateful for information from others but i need to know the source before it goes in my tree. ;D
According to the letters, the October 1902 letter states" John Read is dead about 10 months, his wife is living" so thats why i liked the 1901. Strange thing to write as "his wife" was actually his sister. But that seems the way he wrote, all the husbands seem to be the focus of the letters, as in when the family is mentioned it is always the males that take precendent.
I have sent a message to Cherie to tell her about the death cert, no reply as of yet, but i am unsure of the time in Aus?
I will send her all the details i found tomorrow.
Glad i didn't pay for the Eliza Ann smith birth though ;D
The John Reed you found looks likely to be the son.
One part of the letters i don't get is in Feb 1903 Henry says" John Reed is dead the old woman is alive and well - someone has put a bit of paper in your letter to know about her son Fred wife and children - i dont know any Fred" Well according to all i have found Fred is Sarahs son, so surely Henry would know him? Unless he died, but he was with them when they went to Aus.
Thanks again for all your help.
Kev.
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1855 on the Ebba Brahe:
John
Sarah
Frederick
John
Eliza (infant)
Can i get any more info?
Hi Kev
Being "assisted" immigrants there may be a little more information available. You can buy it online for $25AU - noting if you have other families on the indexes from NSW you can add another page for $6 -
Alternatively, I usually buy from my transcription agent who also goes to the NSW archives. I think he charges $AU12 per family per reel - & sends a transcript by email. He doesn't have online credit card facilities, so it means a phone call or snail mail if you wish to pay by credit card.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/lturtle/nsw_state_archives.htm
The second reel numbers tend to give more information (based on what I have received) - these seem to be the immigration records, rather than shipping records). - in your case 2469. The transcript I received for an 1864 record included parents and names of any relations in the Colony as well as name, age, calling, where born, religion, read/write, health & usefulness (mine was "good") ;D
Trish
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hello there Ken
Trisha I got a surpirse my friend who I had been helping out brought me down a copy of the passenger stuff for my ggm she got it as a surprise when she got hers
I was a bit luckierr with the info than she was. The info didnt give me her parents names but she came out with her sister and the info state they had a brother Michael they had a brother living in the colony so I found him without too much trouble said she could read and write but I have her wedding certificate which bore an X for her signature so that was a fib (unforntunatley the wedding certificate didnt include parents and she came from Ireland) gave me her occupation So it was worth it for suree. Just thought I would through the info in for good measure, Kev
regards Jenn
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Hi both, so that would be about £10 i think. I will wait till next week and order it then, and maybe ask for Henry Clarks as well.
Is there anyway to find out the ages of people in the death lists on the NSW site without buying the cert or transcriptions.
I ask because there is a Frederick Reed died 1861, so that may explain why Henry didn't know him, but he would have been 19 then so it would be relatively unusual (i don't need the death cert for anything so it seems a bit of a waste of cash). Also Henry arrived 1859 so you would think he had contact with his sister then and Frederick would have been there!
Kev.
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Hi Kev
If you are going to buy multiple transcriptions it is probably cheaper to buy through the archives site - as I think you can get up to 4 or 5 with the first at $25 and others only $6. I may have it wrong - I'll leave you to do the arithmetic. My man charged me $12 for each reel - so it was $24 for the one family. I have learnt just to ask for the immigration reel ;D
I don't think there is any way of obtaining death ages in NSW apart from on the certificate. One way I have found is to find a newspaper death notice, but if you only know the year of death - it can be a very long, boring search - which may not give a result.
If you can find a cemetery record - this will also give an age at death.
Maitland is near to Newcastle and this Frederick has the right parents - so the odds seem to be that it could well be son Frederick.
Trish
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Kev, I did have a quick look at what is available online for the cemetries of Morpeth, Maitland,Newcastle etc. and apart from what Jenn found, could see nothing helpful.
If he died at 19 it would be surprising that he was not buried at least in the vicinity of family.
the Hunter Valley Hist Soc. offers a look-up I think. will find it and post link for you.
Sue
Here is the link
http://www.huntervalleygenealogy.com/
Maybe try their forum. There will be a stack of local knowledge there
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Hi all, thanks for your help, i think i am pretty much sorted now, still haven't ordered the assisted immigrants transcriptions need to wait til i get paid.
When i do i will let you know what i find.
Kev. ;D
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Hi Guys,
My name is Angela Sucker and I have just started looking into my family tree. I came across this discussion and although it looks like no-one posts here anymore I thought I'd pop in and say G'day.
I was looking into Elisa Ann and Henry William Sucker and trying to find records of their marriage and children etc. I wondered how much info you had found on them. I am convinved that this is my family line as my grandfather was also Henry William. It is hard to get records for the last decade though, especially for births.
Hope to hear from someone soon.
Thanks,
Angela.
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hello there Angela a
and welcome to Roots chat
if you read all of this thread you should find a bit on the suckers see reply 32 onwards
Kev is in england who started this all off
do you have your grandmothers name
and also do you still live in the same areas as the suckers in this thread morpeth nsw
the reason no one posts on this thread is because it is just abut through Kev having got all his info
so you may be better off starting a new topic but that may not be needed
regards jenn
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I have read through the thread and had most of the info posted here from BD&M records in NSW (Although I can't find record of Eliza and Henry's marriage and I believe that one of their children's birth was registered twice). I think the hard part now will be finding info on Eliza and Henry's grandchildren given that those records are still restricted.
My grandmother's name is Paula. I am yet to get my hands on her birth certificate or my grandfather's. I am not sure that she has these records anymore and they are also restricted.
My family are still in the Morpeth/Maitland area.
I thought about starting a new thread but I wanted to get into contact with the people on this thread as I knew that you guys probably already have some info I was after.
I noticed on one post that you were interested in seeing the statue erected for Henry by his brother Robert. I intend to visit the cemetry one day soon so I may be able to post a pic for you.
Thanks,
Ang
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Hi Angela.
This is what i have:
1. JOHN REED was born 1819 in Bath, and died 1901 in West Maitland. He married SARAH CLARK Dec 1839 in Bristol, daughter of FRANCIS CLARK and MARY PILLYER. She was born 1819.
More About JOHN REED and SARAH CLARK:
Marriage: Dec 1839, Bristol
Children of JOHN REED and SARAH CLARK are:
2. i. ELIZA ANNA REED, b. 1854, Bristol; d. 08 Feb 1938, Morpeth.
ii. FREDERICK REED, b. 1842, Bedminster.
iii. JOHN REED, b. 1852, Bristol.
Click on the report below for the Sucker bit.
Looks like 4 of the daughters never married!!! A bit odd really.
Kev. ;D
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Angela there is a marriage listed
Henry William Sucker and Paula May Smith (East Maitland)
ref:
14801/1945 is this your grandparents?
Kev.
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Had an idea.
If your Henry William is related(which seems likely to me)
He would have to be the son of either Ernest Record Sucker(16985/1961) or Harry William V Sucker(34171/1957) .
If you order transcriptions of their death certs(refs above) it should tell you all their childrens names. I would order Harrys first.
That should sort it out ;D
Kev. ;D
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Heloo there
If your granmother is still alive if so ask her if she has a copy of her wedding certificate it will list her parents names
then you can get either their marriage or birth certificates
marriages are avialable to 1955
one of our rooters Ozzy Bob has births in NSW till 1918 so you can ask him for any help
regards Jenn
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Wow... Thanks heaps for all of that.
For your info Kev, I have a marriage record that seems to indicate that John Sucker (1877-1906) Married Margaret J Partridge in West Maitland in 1903.
Yes, that is my grandparents who married in 1945. Having trouble getting certificates as Grandma is very sick atm bt I think she still has them.
Was thinking along the same lines though, that we must be decended from Harry WV or Ernest. Should be interesting to find out. I am fairly certain that this should be the generation before my grandparents since the times seem to fit.
I'll have to contact Ozzy Bob and see if he has any helpful info.
Thanks again,
Angela
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Angela i have LOADS on the Clarks. Been really researching them thoroughly.
Let me know if you get the certs. I use a transcription agent for mine. Recommended in this post. Really good service and quite cheap.
I also have some more Sucker info sent to me by Cherie in NSW. It is all her work.
Hi Jenn, hope you are well.
Just had contact from someone who is Isaac Daniel Clarks grandson!!
Didn't know about OzzyBob having Births to 1918 might see if there anything i need looking up ;D
Kev. ;D
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I would love to get any info that you have that may fit in, especially on the Suckers as that's what I am focusing on at the moment but everything else would probably come in handy further down the track.
As I said I am just starting out so I don't have alot to go on.
Thankx again and I'll let you know if I get those certs.
Ang.
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hello there Kev
yes I am well and fit except for a visit to the denists this week with a cracked tooth yuckkk
glad to see you have had success with this family no pun intended :o
if you have a look at the start of emmigrants to australia you will see a listing by states as to what sites are about and also you will see Bobs offer of lookups
happy hunting
regards jenn
ps cherie is no doubt a cousin or such to angela
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Hi! I am not sure where you are all up to with the search on Eliza Ann Sucker. But maybe I can help.
Happy to share what I know and have.
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Both John Sucker and his son (my great grandfather) married ladies called Eliza Ann. Do this could cause confusion. The younger of the two Eliza Ann's was Eliza Ann Reed and she was the daughter of Sarah Clark.
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Hello Theyoungestone and welcome to RootsChat,
Unfortunately, I can't help you with this topic, but Kevwood was last active in August and he will receive a notification that you have posted on this topic which he started.
If you post one more time, you will be able to Personal Message (PM) Kevwood or anyone else.
Good luck with your research, Kit
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Hi the youngestone, I'm still around, it's been a long time since I researched the Suckers but let me know if I can help in anyway