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Can anyone help to identify where and how big Tullyorior is as I can't find it on any maps?
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here it is on Multimap
http://www.rootschat.com/links/055l/
Colette
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Hi,
Check "Ros Davies" County Down website under her placenames:
Tullyorier or Tullyoryor, Parish of Garvaghy, near Banbridge.
Best wishes,
Briege
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Thanks to you both Colette and Briege. As my ancestor Patrick McClory was a farmer it makes sense Tullyorior was a rural area.
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Interesting I could not find him as a leaseholder farmer see PRONI, but did find via Ros Davies website a Patrick McCLOREY . Drumgooland husband of Bridget Ward; father of Patrick bpt. 12 Sep 1838 & Patrick (sic) bpt. 12 Oct 1839 at Leitrim Catholic Church PR
Good fortune onwards, Jim
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Thanks BallyaltikilliganG - not sure if they connect at all.
Patrick McClory is on the 1863 Valuation Survey in Tullyorior (it is known in the family that this is where they came from). Patrick McClory married Margaret McShane. We don't know when Patrick was born but it would be earlier than 1838. He had sons Patrick (eldest son) and Hugh (born c1855 - the younger son) and also several daughters Brigit, Mary Catherine, Margaret, Annie, Agnes and Sophia. Hugh married at Banbridge RC church.
Kilmartin
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We had a distant relative Thomas Shaw of Shawstown who migrated to Australia in 1886 on the ship "Energia". Have been able to trace the family back to the 1700's. It was difficult as Registers for the area only started in 1834.
It was found that John Shaw and Ann Byrne were married on 24th February 1858. Our ancestor was born on 29th March 1862 and was one of 6 children.
When John Shaw died in 1866 he was 82
Good luck with your research
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If anyone is interested I live in Tullyorior Banbridge next door to Patrick Mc Clory and will give you any information you wish
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That is amazing mickwally. The difficulty in getting any information at all on this area has been really frustrating, and letters written to the various parishes and schools initiate no reply whatsoever. The family history goes back to Tullyorior in the 1850's. The exact area might have been called Shawstown!!!
Our relative Thomas Shaw left Tullyorior for Australia in 1886 on the ship “Energia”. Over the years we have found that John Shaw and Ann Byrne were married on 24th February 1858. The register does not name their parents, and civil registration of Roman Catholic marriages did not begin until 1864.
The following children appear in the register of baptisms:
John (baptised 27th September or 6th December 1858, the entry appears twice),
James (baptised 21st July 1860) and
an unnamed child (baptised 29th March 1862). This last child is almost certainly our ancestor Thomas. It is unfortunate that the register leaves a blank for the child’s name.
Since searching church registers was very time consuming, the researchers looked for the younger children, born post 1864, in the civil registers of births.
They found:
Mary Elizabeth (born 14th March 1866),
Hugh (born 12th June 1867) and
Matthew (born 23rd January 1871).
In addition was found:
Catherine (born 3rd January 1864) whose parents are listed as John Shaw and Jane Byrne of Tullyorior. As this couple do not appear in the Catholic registers, we can assume that Jane is a mistake for Anne.
From the extracts from the Registers of the Annaclone and Drumballyroney Roman Catholic Church, there is a record of a John Shaw who died on 9th March 1866 aged 82, so I need to be careful here. In the Civil Registers in the Banbridge Registrars Office, Banbridge District, there is a record of a another John Shaw who passed away on 31st October 1900 aged 76 years so he could also be associated with the above children
In Griffiths Valuation of Tenements there are two properties that were held by a John Shaw:
John Shaw Junior held 13 A and B. Ecclesiastical Commissioners House & Land 4a 3r 20p (about 7 acres)} £8
John Shaw senior held 14. Ecclesiastical Commissioners House, same house, offices & land 10a 3r 20p over 10 acres)} £11 5s.
There is so much information that I have, but best to start slowly. Do you know the area the family came from??
regards
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Thanks BallyaltikilliganG - not sure if they connect at all.
Patrick McClory is on the 1863 Valuation Survey in Tullyorior (it is known in the family that this is where they came from). Patrick McClory married Margaret McShane. We don't know when Patrick was born but it would be earlier than 1838. He had sons Patrick (eldest son) and Hugh (born c1855 - the younger son) and also several daughters Brigit, Mary Catherine, Margaret, Annie, Agnes and Sophia. Hugh married at Banbridge RC church.
Kilmartin
Kilmartin, my great great great grandmother and grandfather are Patrick McClory and Margaret McShane. Their daughter Agnes (b. 1865) is my great great grandmother, who moved to Scotland in the late 1880s. This thread doesn't look like it's been active in a while but I'd love to know if you found out more about Patrick and Margaret. Fingers crossed you get this message.
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If anyone is interested I live in Tullyorior Banbridge next door to Patrick Mc Clory and will give you any information you wish
Hi Mick,
That's amazing. Does Patrick know much about his family history? I've been looking at Griffith's Valuation and there are several pieces of land leased by Patrick(s) McClory on what is Tullyorior Road today so it's brilliant that there's still someone there all these years later.
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Hi sottonscotted,
Yes, we do have a bit of information about Patrick and Margaret McClory. Patrick 1822 - 1894 was the son of Patrick McClory and Sarah. Patrick and Margaret's daughter Agnes married William McCusker and moved to Scotland. Another daughter Catherine married James McClorey and also moved to Scotland. Mary married James Costello and moved to the US. Hugh married Annabella Burns and moved to England. Margaret married John McAnearney. Patrick married Susan Hillen and has descendents still living in the Tullyorior area. The McClorys have lived there for many generations now. There were also three other daughters Brigid, Rose Anne and Sophia.
Kilmartin
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I couldn’t resist a factual reply to include the Tithe Applotment books my past favourite census sbstitute, in case something is useful on Tullyorier or some of the last names mentioned,
1796 Flax Growers
https://www.failteromhat.com/flax/down.php
there are over 40 entries for Garvaghy no entry for Shaw, they do include
Byrne Edward Garvaghy Down
Byrne Valentine Garvaghy Down
1834 Tithe Applotment books
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/garvaghy-parish.php
these are just one liners name and size of land or value of building or both. originals in PRONI to have 8 entries in one townland.
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Byrne, Art.-Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, Bernard-Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, Danl.-Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, Edward-Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, Felix-Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, Henery-Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, Hugh-Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, Ilica-Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, James-Townland: Corbally Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, Jno.-Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, John-Townland: Corbally Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, Patt.-Townland: Kilkinamurry Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, Patt.-Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Byrne, Widow Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Maclory, Hugh Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834
Maclory, Manus Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834
McClory, Hugh Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834
McClory, Pat. Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834
McShane none found
McShean, Hugh-Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
McShean, Rodger-Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834-Garvaghy-Down
Shaw, Hugh Townland: Carnew Year: 1834
Shaw, John Townland: Enogh Year: 1834
Shaw, Mark Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834
Shaw, Mathew Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834
Shaw, Matt. Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834
Shaw, Michl. Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834
Shaw, Mick. Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834
Shaw, Thomas Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834
Shaw, Thos. Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834
Shaw, Widow Townland: Tullyorier Year: 1834
Griffiths valuation
using quick index https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php I didn’t have time to check other last names
Shaw, Anne L: Tullyorior
Shaw, Edward L: Tullyorior
Shaw, Elizabeth L: Carnew
Shaw, John L: Tullinisky
Shaw, John, Jr. L: Tullyorior
Shaw, John, Sr. L: Tullyorior
Shaw, Michael L: Killaney
Shaw, Michael L: Tullyorior N: Irish
Shaw, Michl. L: Tullyorior N: English
Shaw, Wm. L: Kilkinamurry N: and Another f
details including boundaries of homesteads see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
eg Anne Shaw in 1863 in tullyorior has map ref 16 ABA in townland, has 5 acres and house valued at ten shillings pa
while looking up the reference I I realized there is a place named Shawstown the buildings are at the southern end of map ref 20B with blgs marked a&b, also in 19a its ~400ft from the river Bann. the properties starting with map area 16 are not visible to me there isa square block of blank space soory ran out of time
Ros Davies great Co down website has
Shawstown Garvaghy . a house cluster in Tullyorior townland ; 5km SE of Banbridge; the last Shaw died in 1939 old b/w map G7; PNNI V6 p 207
hoping something of interest to you all and I can look up anything for mickwally with his kind offer, then I find out im patronizing him, he knows far more than I including garvaghy and Annaclone have shared blurry borders in the past. I noticed many of my listing had the same last name in Annaclone but ignored in my haste. then also AussieGaz research, I must slowup & read everything sent already before jumping to answer
Good luck to you all onwards
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Patrick and Margaret's daughter Agnes married William McCusker and moved to Scotland. Another daughter Catherine married James McClorey and also moved to Scotland.
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Margaret married John McAnearney. Patrick married Susan Hillen and has descendents still living in the Tullyorior area.
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Links to the marriages in Banbridge SRD.
Marriage 1888
William McCusker to Agnes McClory
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10754/5921982.pdf
Marriage 1873
James McClory to Catherine McClory
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11269/8132788.pdf
Marriage 1874
John McNarney to Margaret McClory
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11250/8125840.pdf
Marriage 1885
Patrick McClory to Susan (Susana) Hillan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10855/5963659.pdf
Tullyorior townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-upper-lower-half/garvaghy/balloolymore/tullyorior/
KG
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Hugh married at Banbridge RC church.
Hugh married Annabella Burns and moved to England.
Marriage 1875. His brother Patrick was one of the witnesses.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11216/8111549.pdf
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Thanks for all the help. Any ideas about Annabella Burns? On the 1911 Census she gives her place of birth as Newtownards and on her marriage her father is named as Peter Burns a miner. But there are also lots of Burns families in the Tullyorior/Annaclone area too.
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Annabella born c1854 so before the start of civil registration of births in 1864. You'll need to find baptism records.
Seapatrick RC records https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0456
Baptisms in Newtownards only start in 1864.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0422
Sophia McClory born 1877, Bridge Street Banbridge. MMN Burns
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03026/2108890.pdf
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Thank you Kiltaglassan. The SeaPatrick RC records is a fresh data source and will give me something to follow up.
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Just logged into RootsChat after an hiatus of many years and was intrigued by the information shared on Tullyorior that has resurrected my delving into our families past and links to the Townland.
Thanks to all the contributors.
Still trying to identify the exact location of the family burying ground at Annaclone Chapel yard.
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Still trying to identify the exact location of the family burying ground at Annaclone Chapel yard.
Here's St. Colman's Church, 17 Monteith Road, Annaclone.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6454630#map=17/54.30074/-6.19684
Google Maps
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3007378,-6.1974368,146m/data=!3m1!1e3?authuser=0&entry=ttu
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Catherine (born 3rd January 1864) whose parents are listed as John Shaw and Jane Byrne of Tullyorior. As this couple do not appear in the Catholic registers, we can assume that Jane is a mistake for Anne.
Civil registration record gives the mother's first name as Anne.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03629/2339897.pdf
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Thanks once again Kiltaglassan for your help to me in playing this game of hide and seek with our family and their origins in Tullyorior.
Much appreciated.
Wishing you and your family a peaceful and relaxing Christmas and the best in all that 2024 has to offer.