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Title: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: blueth on Tuesday 05 September 06 17:50 BST (UK)
Has anyone information about Dugald Blue, believed to be born in Kilmun, Argyllshire in May 1852. His father's name was John. I have no more ideas, and am stuck!
Blueth
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Thrall on Tuesday 05 September 06 21:43 BST (UK)
Hi Blueth, where did you get this info. on Dugald Blue? He does not appear on Scotlandspeople, but there are two others:

28/08/1853 Blue Dugald, parents Donald Blue and Christina McLachlan, Barony.
21/05/1854 Blue Dugald, parents Donald Blue and Mary Townsend, Dalry.

The ´61 census has no Dugald Blue age 5-10 in Kilmun, but they appear as age 6 in Greenock and 7 in Dalry.

Something does not add up. Either the father´s name is wrong, or dates and location (or all!). Wildcards did not seem to help.

There is however a Dugald Blue born 26/02/1855 in Greenock (other side of the Firth) with father John Blue, mother Jane McNeill. Could this be your man?

Good hunting,

Thrall
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 September 06 10:13 BST (UK)
Hi Blueth

Not sure if there is a connection. Have you seen these posts on Ancestry.com forum? May be worthwhile  contacting them. Names seem similar.

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/an/surnames.blue/416

Regards.

Monica
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 September 06 13:10 BST (UK)
Did your Dugald remain in Scotland or did he (maybe with family) emigrate? In the 1881 Census in Scotland there are only 2 Dugald Blues with an age range of 25-35.  They are both showing as age 26 and born in either Daltry, Ayr or Greenock, Renfrew (these seem to tie in with the info posted by Thrall). There is only one entry for a Blue with a Dunoon (nothing Kilmun) birth place and that's a Donald in his 50s.

Regards.

Monica
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Thrall on Wednesday 06 September 06 14:46 BST (UK)
Hi Monica, I seem to remember that possibly Dunoon and Kilmun were sometime one registry district, but cannot find an instance just now.

Good hunting,

Thrall

Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 September 06 17:28 BST (UK)
Thrall, you're correct, they were previously one Registry. In the 1851 Census, there are only 3 entries in Dunoon and Kilmun, a couple John and Margaret aged 22 visitors in household. Also a Sarah Blue, aged 26 in a separate household. I've been trying to find them in the 1861 Census, but wonder if the surname has been mistranscribed, they are not jumping out as yet!

In the 1861 Census, there is one more entry apart from the two highlighted by Thrall, a 7yr old Dugale (oh those transcriptions!) Blue in Glasgow. But  his father is a Donald from Argyll, and this Dugald was born in Glasgow. This is the 1853 IGI entry shown by Thrall earlier.

Blueth, any more information on your Dugald that could help with searches?

Regards.

Monica
   
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 September 06 18:18 BST (UK)
Blueth

I think the couple in Dunoon and Kilmun in 1851 are relevant. I found this IGI entry:

John Blue  Birth:  23 MAR 1827   Christening:  26 MAR 1827  Ardpatrick, Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
Parents: Father:  Dugald Blue  Mother: Mary Bell    

Marriages: Spouse:  Margaret Ferguson    Marriage:  23 NOV 1850  (this marriage shows as both a submitted entry and an actual extract from the OPRs).

It would appear that post 1855, John and Margaret moved to Glasgow where they had the following children:

1. ARCHIBALD BLUE Birth: 19 APR 1856 Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
2. DENNIS BLUE Birth: 20 NOV 1865 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
3. DENIS BLUE Birth: 26 JUL 1873 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
4. JANE BLUE Birth: 11 JUN 1871 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
5. JOHN BLUE Birth: 06 AUG 1868 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
6. CATHERINE BLUE Birth: 30 SEP 1860 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
7. MARGARET BLUE Birth: 02 NOV 1863 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
8. DANIEL BLUE Birth: 31 DEC 1861 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
9. COLIN BLUE Birth: 24 MAY 1858 Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Now, these births are all post official registration in 1855. I am thinking that if we have the right couple, Dugald would have been born in Kilmun c. 1852whilst his parents were there (we have them there in 1851).

If Dugald was the first born son, he would have been called after John's father which fits Scottish naming patterns.

What is also notable, is that a sibling search for this John shows the following names for parents Dugald Blue and Mary Bell:

1. ARCHIBALD BLUE  Birth: 24 AUG 1825 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
2. CHRISTIAN BLUE Birth: 30 OCT 1831 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
3. MARGARET BLUE Birth: 15 SEP 1823 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
4. COLIN BLUE Birth: 17 MAY 1829 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland

As you can see, the names are very similar to those of John and Margaret's children. I've picked out above only the actual extracted births from the OPRs. There are other entries for this couple's children, including more marriage details and deaths.

The problem at the moment is finding the family, one would think in the Glasgow area in the 1861 Census. We need to do this to find your Dugald in the household. I'm thinking their surname Blue has been mistrascribed as I'm not finding them there under that name. The family seem to have lived in Glasgow for some years given that all the post 1855 births were registered there.

Monica


Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Thrall on Wednesday 06 September 06 19:00 BST (UK)
Hi Monica, you´re doing well - sorry not to have had more digging time. Do you think Blueth is following us? I´m still interested in where his info. is from!

Good hunting,

Thrall
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 September 06 19:24 BST (UK)
Me too!

I'm convinced the family is there in Glasgow in 1861 (and 1871 given the births of the children) but who knows how Blue has been indexed because nothing is coming up with lots of * in and around the spelling of Blue.

Can't move on without finding Dugald in the family and 1861 is the best bet! It would be worthwhile Blueth moving the 1861 census query to the Lanarkshire board (somebody like Liz who has access to the 1861 Census index might have a better chance of finding them under some spelling - not sure how flexible the cd is in respect of searches).

Soooooooo frustrating...and I've only been trying for a little while!

Regards.

Monica
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: gblue42 on Wednesday 06 September 06 21:02 BST (UK)
WOW!!

Thank you Monica for the private message and thank you to you and thrall for all of this documentation in the thread.  I'm sure blueth will respond with excitement soon.  This is looking very promising.  I've traded several private emails with Hilary (blueth) and don't have nearly as much as you have in the short time you've been working on it except that he's supposed to have emmigrated to Ireland around age 17 or 18.  I'm at work right at the moment but will have time to digest all of this when I get home.  I just hope I can concentrate on my work until then.  This is SO exciting!!

Gerry
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 September 06 22:52 BST (UK)
Ok, this is where it gets a bit more confusing!

The golden rule of genealogy........verify verify verify....

We have two couples, both John and Margaret nee Fersugon. The second couple married in Glasgow, from IGI:

JOHN BLUE  Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET FERGUSON    
Marriage:  31 AUG 1860  High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

So from the original list of IGI births showing for a John Blue and Margaret Ferguson:

First couple. John shows as seaman on birth certs:
1. ARCHIBALD BLUE Birth: 19 APR 1856 Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
2. COLIN BLUE Birth: 24 MAY 1858 Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Second couple. John shows as hammerman, and some certs show the wedding date of 1860. I've viewed the first three.
1. CATHERINE BLUE Birth: 30 SEP 1860 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
2. DANIEL BLUE Birth: 31 DEC 1861 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
3. MARGARET BLUE Birth: 02 NOV 1863 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
4. DENNIS BLUE Birth: 20 NOV 1865 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
5. JOHN BLUE Birth: 06 AUG 1868 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
6. DENIS BLUE Birth: 26 JUL 1873 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
7. JANE BLUE Birth: 11 JUN 1871 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland


Archibald and Colin don't show anywhere in Scotland in 1861 under Blue (never mind Dugald). Given the profession of John father in the children's birth certs. I can understand him missing the census, but not all the family. Aside from whether Blue may have been mis-indexed, I am now wondering whether the whole family left for Ireland (not just Dugald) sooner than you may have thought. There are no deaths showing for a Margaret Blue other name Ferguson with a birth year of 1825 +/- 10yrs (which would be well within the age range of the Margaret showing as age 22 in 1851 Kilmun).

I also wondered if you had the death cert for Dugald in Ireland and whether it showed his father's occupation. Is there any history of his brothers (and any other siblings) also living in Ireland.

Regards.

Monica









Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 September 06 23:13 BST (UK)
My last one before I snap shut my laptop!

Is this relevant or is it just wishful thinking on my part! From IGI Ireland to parents John Blue and Margaret Ferguson:

1. ROBINA BLUE  Birth: 17 APR 1869 , Limerick, Ireland
2. JESSIE BLUE Birth: 16 MAY 1867 , Cork, Ireland
3. HUGH BLUE Birth: 24 SEP 1864 0260, Shanagolden, Limerick, Ireland
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Merryb on Wednesday 06 September 06 23:27 BST (UK)
I am so excited!!  I am Gerry's sister Merry and written down by family members is that John Blue was a steam ship master (listed on Dugald's marriage registry in Limerick) and he (John) had 7 sons, no mention of daughters.  They were reported to have left Scotland for all parts of the world.  There was an Archibald for sure as he is listed on the marriage registry as witness.  The birthdate I have for Dugald is May 24, 1852.  Thanks for all of your time.  Merry - California
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: gblue42 on Thursday 07 September 06 00:19 BST (UK)
Also, another BLUE researcher who read this thread suggested an alternate surname search on "McGuirmin" which apparently somewhere prior to 1820 became "Blue".  It's a long shot but probably worth a query.

Gerry
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: LA.Blue on Thursday 07 September 06 07:48 BST (UK)
Hi ! Just joining the discussion but unfortunately don't have anything to add of use.
I have heard of this name change but so far it hasn't helped me find connections to my Mary Blue who died in 1868 aged 81 in Kilcalmonell & Kilberry.  Her parents were given as Dugald Blue, Cotter, and Christine Graham. 
I will be keeping a keen eye on this thread in the hope of finding siblings for her.  I have her own family.
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 07 September 06 10:20 BST (UK)
Hi LA.Blue

Welcome to Rootschat!

There is one entry on IGI for the birth of a Mary Blue to father Dugald. Only father's name is given, no mother's details. This is an actual extract from the Old Parish Registers (OPRs):

MARY BLUE  Christening:  24 JUN 1789   Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
Parents:Father: DUGALD BLUE

These are all the entries for births for that period in Kilcalmonell and Kilberry from IGI. So happens, they all have father showing as Dugald and no mother's details. I can't tell you whether they were siblings to Mary (or indeed, if the entry above is Mary's) but it might provide you with some clues. You might be able to trace them through to official registration from 1855 and verify through their death certs, if available, who their mother was:

1. DUGALD BLUE  Christening: 26 FEB 1784 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
2. DUGALD BLUE Birth: 1811 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
3. FLORY BLUE Christening: 16 OCT 1796 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
5. MARY BLUE Birth: 18 NOV 1802 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
6. ANGUS BLUE Christening: 29 JUL 1786 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
7. ANGUS BLUE Birth: 20 OCT 1800 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland

Where Christening dates are given, remember that christenings were sometimes days/months/years after their birth year and should be used as a guide re birth year only.

There are no marriage entries showing for Dugald and Christina Graham. Looking at the batch codes for IGI, it may be that OPRs are not available before certain dates for Kilcalmonell and Kilberry (see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyArgyll.htm#K:

C115161     1855-1875     M115161     1855-1875     
C115162     1777-1820     M115162     1784-1820     
C115164     1820-1854     M115164     1820-1855     
                                     M115165   -1823/-1832



The C codes are births/christenings and the M codes are marriages.

Regards.

Monica
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 07 September 06 11:28 BST (UK)
Hi Gerry, Merry and Blueth

Boy, am I relieved there is some ref to the sea for John's occupation from Dugald's marriage cert in Ireland!

If you could PM me with an email address, I'd be happy to send you further details of the certs. I have viewed.  My final contribution re John's parents, Dugald Blue and Mary Bell. This looks like them in the 1841 Census at http://www.freecen.org.uk/ (free census site)

Address: Achandiae,  Kilcalmonll-Kilberry-Argyllshire

BLUE       Dougald   43       Ag Labourer        Argyllshire    
BLUE       (Mrs)       44                  Argyllshire    
BLUE       Archibald    15                  Argyllshire    
BLUE       Colin       12                  Argyllshire    
BLUE       Christina    10                  Argyllshire    

I think this might be John working away from home:        

Address: Munichele, : Kilcalmonll-Kilberry-Argyllshire

MCNAIR   John    60       Farmer        Argyllshire        
MCNAIR   Christina   53               Argyllshire        
MCNAIR   Peter    20       Ag Labourer        Argyllshire        
MCNAIR   John    5                Argyllshire        
GALBRAITH    John    20       Ag Labourer        Argyllshire        
BLUE       John    14       Ag Labourer        Argyllshire    
MCMILLIAN    John    25       Shoemaker        Argyllshire
MCARTHUR    Bell    27       Female Servant    Argyllshire            
    
There is info on IGI re father Dougald Blue:
DUGALD BLUE     Marriages: Spouse: MARY BELL         
Marriage:  27 JAN 1821   Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
Christening:     22 MAY 1797   Lochkiarran, Kilcalmonell, Argyll, Scotland
Death:     21 OCT 1879   Ardpatrick, Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
Parents: Father:  Donald Blue   Mother: Margaret Brown

If you do a parent search on IGI (simply put in father Donald Blue and mother Margaret Brown and then click on British Isles/Scotland) you will see details of what looks like Donald Blue's siblings with submitted birth/christening/marriage/death details (luckily the family seem to have been well researched in this period).

This looks like details on Donald Snr:
Donald Blue  Birth: About 1767, Of Kilcalmonell, Argyll, Scotland
Death:  Before 1841      
Marriages: Spouse: Margaret Brown Marriage: 13 JAN 1792 

And Margaret Brown:
Margaret Brown  Birth: About 1771 Of Kilcalmonell, Argyll, Scotland
Death: Before 1851      
Marriages: Spouse: Donald Blue    


Mother Mary Bell died at the age of 89 in early 1881.    Parents David Bell and Elizabeth McMillan. Unfortunately, in Mary's case, I cannot easily see anything on IGI for her. If you search for her and husband Dugald in the 1851-71 censuses, it will give details of her birth place which at least will let you narrow down your research for her.
 

Regards to you all!

Monica
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: blueth on Saturday 09 September 06 11:08 BST (UK)
Hi Monica and Thrall, I am very much still with you, just rather overwhelmed by all this info! Takes a while to digest. I have a copy of Dugald's death cert. It states -DoD 3rd Feb 1928, age 75,Occup: commercial traveller, present at registration Dugald, place of death 3 Fairfield Park, Dublin.
I am going to try and get someone to investigate the few remaining census in Ireland. If they give place of birth there it'll probably just say Scotland, but it's worth a try.
Very many thanks for all your work, it'a amazing and so exciting. My e-mail is
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Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: catmac on Friday 20 October 06 21:55 BST (UK)
My Great-grandmother was Anne Blue
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: gblue42 on Saturday 21 October 06 02:44 BST (UK)
Hi Catmac,

I searched this thread and don't see any mention of Anne Blue other than yours.  Can you provide some more information on your Great Grandmother?  Does she have roots in Kilmun?

gblue42
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: catmac on Saturday 21 October 06 17:24 BST (UK)
I will need to look up the Family Tree. She was married to Hugh McLean in Campbeltown. My grandmother was the eldest daughter, Euphemia.
I have no idea where Anne came from, but she died and is buried in Glasgow.
Where is Kilmun?
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: gblue42 on Saturday 21 October 06 19:02 BST (UK)
Kilmun is in Argyll.  Here is a Google Maps link to Kilmun.  http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Kilmun,+Scotland&ie=UTF8&z=9&ll=55.991613,-4.928484&spn=0.67285,2.746582&om=1
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: LA.Blue on Saturday 21 October 06 20:08 BST (UK)
I will need to look up the Family Tree. She was married to Hugh McLean in Campbeltown. My grandmother was the eldest daughter, Euphemia.
I have no idea where Anne came from, but she died and is buried in Glasgow.
Where is Kilmun?

Any of her parents mentioned ?
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: catmac on Saturday 21 October 06 21:04 BST (UK)
Now that is interesting. We know that my Great-Grandfather ran away from home (in Mull) to 'mid Argyll' as a boy, and moved to Campbeltown later.
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Thrall on Sunday 19 November 06 01:35 GMT (UK)
Hi all, I´ve just found the DC of a worthy cleric slightly related to me, on Jura. If anyone is interested, there is also the death of an Anne Blue  McKechnie age 2 3/4 years in 1876, Jura, daur. of Catherine Blue and Archibald McKechnie, shepherd. Both deceased.

PM me if interested.

Guid hunting,

Thrall
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: gblue42 on Sunday 19 November 06 01:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Thrall,

Do you think that is the same Catherine as the one (b.1860) mentioned on the first page of this topic?

Gerry
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Thrall on Sunday 19 November 06 02:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Gerry, I think its pushing it a bit to be born 1860 and have a 23/4 year old daughter die 1876. Good try though!

I would go for Catherine Blue b.21/09/1849 Jura, m. Archibald McEachern 04/06/1863, and there you see how good my eyesight is as I had him as McKechnie in my previous post......... :-\  The registrar did have a dot though above the third or second last letter both times he wrote McK***** , just to cloud the issue; maybe he was hard of hearing.......... ???

Thrall
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: catmac on Monday 20 November 06 12:29 GMT (UK)
I think I may have made a mistake about my Great-Grandmother's name. It may have been Anne LUKE.  I think Luke is a Campbeltown name as well. There are Blues there too.
I will check with a relative on my grandmother's side.
Catherine
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Joyce Brownell51 on Monday 08 June 09 15:49 BST (UK)
I am looking for any information on a Christina Blue who was born about 1795 in Scotland (Argyllshire) who married a Donald Cameron born abt 1793.  The couple immigrated to Ontario, Durham Co., Canada in about 1834.  Some of their family was born in Scotland.  On my great-grandmother's death registration it states she was born in Argyllshire in abt. 1819  - she was one of the daughter's of Donald Cameron and Christina ( we think her maiden name was Blue).  My great-grandmother's name was Mary Cameron.  I have had difficulty finding any information on this family.  Donald and Christina's children were as follows: Mary, Agnes, Barbara, Catherine, Christina,  Malcolm, Elizabeth, Jane and Margaret.  Any information would be helpfull.  Thank you Joyce Brownell
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Merryb on Monday 08 June 09 18:47 BST (UK)
Hi Joyce!  I have a Christiana Blue Christened March 23, 1795 who is the sister of my g.g. grandfather John Blue.  Their father and mother were Donald Blue and Margaret Brown.  My John Blue moved to Ireland.  I am guessing this is your Christiana.  Merry
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Merryb on Monday 08 June 09 19:01 BST (UK)
Hi,  I responded too quickly.  Christiana is sister to Dugald Blue who was my g.g. grandfather's father.  Dugald Blue was the third born to Donald Blue and Margaret Brown.  John was the first, Chrisitana second, Dugald third, Mary fourth, Alexander fifth, Flory sixth, Margaret seventh and Grizzel eigth.  Merry
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Joyce Brownell51 on Monday 08 June 09 20:54 BST (UK)
To : Merry B.

I have a sheet here from the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and it says Christina Blue was christened on the 23 Mar 1795  Lochkiarran, Kilcalmonell, Argyll, Scotland and her parent's were Donald Blue and Margaret Brown.  I have a second sheet from them giving the marriage of Donald Cameron  - spouse Christy Blue  -  marriage 22 Dec 1818  Campbeltown, Argyl, Scotland.  On one of their daughter's death registrations (Barbara) it gives her father's name as Donald Cameron and a question mark with Blue beside her mother's maiden name.  I would love to know more about the family.  I think the family came with money from Scotland as when they arrived they sent back to Scotland to have stone masons come out and build their house (which still stands).  Donald put quite a bit of money into bulding one of the churches in Bowmanville and was on the harbor commossion as well.  Any information would be great.  Joyce Brownell
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: blueth on Wednesday 10 June 09 16:27 BST (UK)
Hi LA Blue,
It's ages since I've been on Rootschat, and have only just seen your post.
Although I can't help with your names, my Blues were born and married in Kilberry and Kilcalmonell. Dugald Blue married Mary Bell in 1821 and his children were Margaret, born 1823, Archibald 1825, John 1827, Colin 1829 and Christian (female) 1831. Anything familiar there?
Dugald's father was Donald, no details known.
Blueth
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Joyce Brownell51 on Saturday 13 June 09 10:22 BST (UK)
I think maybe my Christina Blue is the sister of your Duglad Blue.  Christina and her husband Donald Cameron immigrated to Ontario, Canada, in abt. 1833/34.  I wish I could find out more about Donald Cameron and his family as well.  I know some of the families which settled in the area came from Campbelton  -  such names as McMillan, Galbraith, Grey and Beith.  On my Great grandmother's death registration it mentions she was born in Argyllshire, Scotland.  Joyce Brownell
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Lorand on Sunday 14 June 09 09:41 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,

I have been browsing in your 'Blues' as I am interested in an ancestor, Ann Galloway who had an illegitimate son on 8 June 1865 and called him James Blue Galloway.  The name Blue must have some connection to her family, but I cannot find anything of her parents.  She was a farm servant in Cadder, Lanark. and I am trying to determine who the father of James was. She married in 1869 and the baby took on her husband's name of McCall, but there is no certainty that he was the father.  Does anyone have an Ann Galloway in their family with Blue connections?
Thanks
Lorraine
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: LA.Blue on Sunday 14 June 09 15:31 BST (UK)
Hi LA Blue,
It's ages since I've been on Rootschat, and have only just seen your post.
Although I can't help with your names, my Blues were born and married in Kilberry and Kilcalmonell. Dugald Blue married Mary Bell in 1821 and his children were Margaret, born 1823, Archibald 1825, John 1827, Colin 1829 and Christian (female) 1831. Anything familiar there?
Dugald's father was Donald, no details known.
Blueth

Nothing yet.  I must devote some more time to this.  There are so many people called the same name and you can't be sure you have the right one.  There seems to have been a few Christina/ Christy about Kilcalmonell.  Just when I think I'm getting somewhere with my Whitehouse family, I hit another brick wall e.g. the death certificate won't state the parents' names
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Joyce Brownell51 on Sunday 14 June 09 19:49 BST (UK)
You are right about some death certificates not stating the parent's names.  One of Donald and Christina's children did state  - Donald Cameron as father and a ? Blue.  Today I have found the birthdates of their children born in Campbeltown, Argyle, Scotland.  Mary (my great grandmother) born 18 Feb 1820, Agness born 27 Jan 1830, Malcolm b. 19 Feb 1824, Barbra b. 20 Mar 1826, Margaret b. 22 Mar 1822.  Also found a son John b. 08 Mar 1828 (must of died young in Scotland?  Christina b. 1832,  Elizabeth b. 1827 and Jane born in Canada in 1838.  It is just like putting a great big puzzle together.  I think I will try to go the registry office and re read Donald Cameron's will  -  I read it years ago and it gives the names of his living children.  Joyce Brownell
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: markharrison1973 on Tuesday 19 July 11 20:20 BST (UK)
Just came across this thread and note a lot of relatives from my family tree.
Just wondering if anyone has made any further progress.
The following is my connection to the Blues -
Donald Blue (1767 - 1841) husband of Margaret Brown is my 5th great grandfather
John Blue (1793 - 1872) husband of Mary McIntyre Son of Donald - 4xGG
Dugald Blue (1821 - 1889) husband of Barbara Cochrane (or McEachran) Son of John - 3XGG
James Blue (1851 - ) husband of Catherine Sweeney & Son of Dugald - 2XGG
Barbara Sweeney Blue (1883 - ) wife of Michael Scully & Daughter of James - Great Grandmother
Agnes Theresa Scully wife of Joseph Fitzpatrick & Daughter of Barbara Sweeney - Grandmother
Eleanor Dowds Fitzpatrick (1946 - 2008) wife of Patrick Byrne Harrison & Daughter of Agnes Theresa - Mother
I have a certificate for a Donald Blue Birth in 26th Nov 1760 son of John Blue and Christian McLean but not 100% sure its the same Donald above. Regards Mark.
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Merryb on Friday 22 July 11 20:22 BST (UK)
Hi,  We do have Donald Blue (1767-1841) husband of Margaret Brown as a common ancestor.
Your John Blue (1793) is the first born of Donald and Margaret.  The third born, Dugald, (1797) is our ggg grandfather.  There were eight.  We have not gone back any farther than Donald and Margaret.
Dugald (1797) husband of Mary Bell was the father of our John Blue (1927) husband of Margaret Ferguson.
This John Blue with his wife and probably 3 sons moved from Kilmun to the Limerick area of Ireland.  His oldest son Dugald (1852) is our g grandfather or Grandfather in Hilary Blue's case.
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: markharrison1973 on Saturday 23 July 11 10:12 BST (UK)
Hi Merry,
Thanks for the reply. Wasn't sure if you guys were still online or not.
Couldn't get any further back than Donald and Margaret myself, so its good to know its not just me.
As I said, I have a certificate for a Donald Blue Birth in 26th Nov 1760 son of John Blue and Christian McLean but not 100% sure its the same Donald above.
If you would like a copy please PM me your email address.
Regards Mark
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: Merryb on Saturday 23 July 11 14:26 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: DonnaHearnden on Monday 25 May 20 01:13 BST (UK)
Hi there. I think the family may be connected. My father was Michael Scully Fitzpatrick, brother to Eleanor and son to Agnes Scully and Joe Fitzpatrick. Shortly before he died he talked about working as a stevedore at Greenock dock yards. We have never heard this story and wanted to see if anyone had info about this job, maybe even worked with him.
Thanks Donna
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 25 May 20 12:38 BST (UK)
Hi Donna

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

Have a read here for a description of stevedore www.iims.org.uk/the-role-of-stevedores-in-shipping/

Monica
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: DonnaHearnden on Monday 25 May 20 15:12 BST (UK)
Thank You. I will have a read. We had heard that the Fitzpatricks had originally came from Ireland and its interesting to see that it was likely Limerick. I will keep on exploring.
Thank You.
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: markharrison1973 on Tuesday 26 May 20 21:02 BST (UK)
Hi there. I think the family may be connected. My father was Michael Scully Fitzpatrick, brother to Eleanor and son to Agnes Scully and Joe Fitzpatrick. Shortly before he died he talked about working as a stevedore at Greenock dock yards. We have never heard this story and wanted to see if anyone had info about this job, maybe even worked with him.
Thanks Donna
Hi Donna, Ive sent you a PM. Regards Mark Harrison
Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: flickw on Wednesday 01 November 23 20:05 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: Blue family, Kilmun
Post by: flickw on Wednesday 01 November 23 20:25 GMT (UK)

'28/08/1853 Blue Dugald, parents Donald Blue and Christina McLachlan, Barony'

I do apologise for a tech error that I made. Its been a while.....
Dugald Blue(1853-1932) emigrated to South Africa and married Minnie Louisa Kidwell on 20 Aug 1891. He died in Durban, South Africa on 17 Feb 1932 Hope this is helpful. I do have a couple of other documents.
If anyone can help me with an earlier generation Dugald (born March 1787 in Killean, Argyleshire) , i'd be grateful. Dugald's wife's surname is a tad confusing. Born Sarah McLean - but all later records refer to her as Sarah McKinnon. Any documented explanation ? Second marriage? Rgds and thanks, Flick