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Can anyone help me find George Smallmans parents?
George was born c1861 in Crow Hill, Herefordshire or Upton Bishop, Herefordshire.
The 1881 census shows him in Pembridge, Herefordshire (Head of household William Fletcher). George is a blacksmith, also with him is Edwin Smallman b c1856 also Crow Hill. Poss brother???
1891 finds him in Fishpool,Herefordshire,still a blacksmith married to Caroline (Caroline Esther Bubb) with 3 children.
I believe they had more children than that though.
Can anyone trace them on the 1901 census?
What happened to Edwin?
Can anyone trace George Smallman on any of the earlier censuses, 1841/51/61 or 1871? I'm desperate to find his parents.
Beverley
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Just realised what I've written doesn't make sense! Of course George will only appear on the 1871 (and poss 1861) census having been b c1861!! ::)
However if anyone does find him on those can they see if they can find his parents on the earlier censuses?
Many thanks.
Beverley
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Well... this will require more digging...
1861
RG9/1812 79 23
Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
Crow Hill
William Smallman, head, 48, Cordwinder, b. Upton Bishop
Elizabeth, wife, 48, Boot Binder, b. Gloucestershire Mitcheldean
Mariann, dau, unm, 20, House servant, b. Upton Bishop
James, son, 15, Cordwinder, b. do.
Edwin A Gould do., son,6, scholar, b. do.
Martha H, dau, 3, b. do.
George, grandson, 1, b. Glostershire Abinhall
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1871
RG10/2865 77 19
Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
Clowhill Village
William Smallman, head, 57, Shoemaker, b. Upton Bishop
Elizabeth, wife, 57, b. do.
Edwin, son, 16, b. do.
Martha, dau, 12, scholar, b. do.
George, grandson, 11, b. Glostershire Dean Forest
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1861 RG9/1812 folio 79 page 23 Upton Bishop Herefordshire
William Smallman age 48 born Upton Bishop
Elizabeth Smallman age 48 born Mitcheldean Gloucestershire
Mariann dau age 20 born Upton Bishop
James age 15 son born Upton Bishop
Edwin A Smallman son age 6 born Upton Bishop Herefordshire
Martha M dau age 3 born Upton Bishop
George Smallman age 1 Grandson born Abinhall Gloucestershire
Pam
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Grandfather William back in 1851:
HO107/1976 82 8
Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
Crowhill (or similar) Village
William Smallman, head, 38, Cordwinder, b. upton Bishop
Charlotte, wife, 39, b. Mitchel Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza, dau, 14, b. (can't read) Gloucestershire
John, son, 12, scholar, b. East Dean
Margeanna, dau, 10?, scholar, b. Upton Bishop
Lydia, dau, 7, scholar, b. do.
James, son, 5, b. do.
Catherine?, dau, 1, b. do.
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and 1841
HO107/421/21 4 3
Upton Bishop
Crow Hill
John Smalman, 70, Shoe m, no
Mary, 60, no
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William, 25, Shoe m, yes
Elizabeth, 25, no
William, 6, yes
Eliza, 4, no
John, 2, no
Mary Ann, 4months, yes
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Tati and Down Under,
Thanks so much for the info. I've had George and a few other Smallmans hanging around for ages, fairly sure they belonged to my tree (most Herefords/Glos Smallmans seem to belong!) but not quite sure where. You've solved part of the mystery....George definately belongs as William and Elizabeth, HIS grandparents,are my 3x greats! Just got to find Georges parents now......hmmmm
Beverley
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1860 George Smallman Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
6a 202
Lydia Smallman Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
1864 June quarter 6a 380 Richard Trigg
1871 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire RG10/2604 folio 37 page 2
Richd Trigg age 26 born Westbury on Severn
Lydia Trigg age 26 born Upton Bishop Herefordshire
Willm J son age 6 born Westbury
Richd son age 5 born Westbury
Fredk H son age 2
1861 RG9/1812 folio 82 page 29 Upton Bishop Herefordshire
Baches House Crow Hill is Just down the page
Francis H Adams Banker at Ross and Hereford
Mary A Powell servant age 25
John Smallman age 22 ag lab born Drybrook Forest of Dean
Benjamin Baldwin Carter
Pam
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1861 Lea Herefordshire reg district Ross RG9/1814 folio 25 page 1
4 Lea Village
William Smallman age 26 Blacksmith born Upton Bishop Herefordshire
Eldina? Smallman sister age 17 born Upton Bishop Housekeeper
might be worth getting the 1860 birth of George Smallman to see who his mother was??
Pam
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Pam,
Thanks for the info. I think you're right about Georges birth cert....
I have a letter(2001) from one of Georges grandsons (didn't know they were connected then). He said George was believed to be the illegitimate son of a man named Smallman from the area.....!
My Smallman tree is huge and getting bigger by the day. It is very satisfying when you can add a loose Smallman to the tree though!
Beverley
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Could George be Lydias child?
1871 Upton Bishop Herefordshire RG10/2685 folio 78 page 22
Blacksmithshop Crowhill
William Smallman age 36 born Dean Forest Gloucester Blacksmith Master
Matilda Smallman wife age 35 born St Johns Worcester
James Smallman brother age 25 born Upton Bishop Journeyman
Samuel Wilkes appr
William still at Crowhill Blacksmith with wife Matilda 1881
1891 Upton Bishop Phode Green Herefordshire RG12/2054 folio 66 page 13
Crowhill
William Smallman age 56 blacksmith and local postmaster born Forest of Dean Gloucestershire
Matilda wife age 55 born St Johns Worcestershire
Ann Mountford age 88 mother in law widow born Bodenham herefordshire
James Winter Blacksmith Appr
Rosa M Morgan Niece age 16 born Walsworth London
Mabel A Smallman niece age 8 born Linton Herefordshire
1901 Upton Bishop Herefordshire RG13/2473 folio 53 page 5
William Smallman age 66 born Drybrook Gloucestershire
Matilda wife age 65 born St Johns
Mabel A Smallman niece age 18 born Linton Herefordshire
1881 Westbury on Severn
Hunt Hill Road
James Trigg head age 47 Westbury on Severn
Hannah Trigg wife age 55 born Abbenhall Gloucestershire
James Trigg son age 20 born Westbury on Severn
Fred Web visitor age 4 born Yorkshire
2 doors up
Richard Trigg Westbury on Severn age 36
Lidia Trigg Upton Bishop age 36
William age 16 all children Westbury on Severn
Richard age 15
Frederick age 12
Henry age 9
Edith age 7
Rose age 4
Arthur age 2
Infant dau age 2 weeks
1891 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire RG12/2007 folio 27 page 3
Denmark Road?
Lydia Trigg head age 47 born Upton Bishop Herefordshire widow
William Jonathon Trigg age 26 son Engine driver tractor all born Westbury on Severn
Henry son age 19 lab
Edith Milda dau age 16
Rose May dau age 14
Arthur age 12 son
Florence age 10 dau
1901 Gloucester Gloucestershire RG13/2430 folio 75 page 24
(Vauxhall Hotel Stanley Cottages) Barton Street
Lydia Trigg age 57 born Ross Herefordshire widow
Arthur son age 22 son Railway Stoker engine born Westbury on Severn
Edith age 20 dau
Ethel Trigg grandaughter age 4 born
Jonathon Trigg Nephew age 25 Born Westbury Railway plate layer
plus 3 boarders
Pam
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On the 1901 census are George Smallman aged 40 born at at Hedge Hills Glos, living in Upton Bishop.
with wife Caroline aged 37 born Allwod Green Glos.
with children George 14
James 11
William 8
Ethel 9
Richard 2
Albert 10 months
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EBN,
Thank you for the 1901 census on George Smallman and family.
Beverley :)
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Pam,
It does look like Lydia is a possibility for Georges mum doesn't it?
Thanks for all the lovely census info, especially that on Lydia. :) I have another Smallman marrying into the Trigg family a generation or so back.
Interesting about Lydias daughter in 1891, Edith MILDA. My grandmother was a Smallman and she had a sister called MILDA. I always thought it was a form of Matilda, but her daughter says she was just Milda, wonder if this is where it came from?
Best wishes,
Beverley
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You may be interested
Edith Milda is correct - she is my wife's grandmother
My wife is also named Milda