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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: FeeJay on Thursday 14 September 06 14:30 BST (UK)
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I hope someone with Jaffrays or Davidsons can help me with this.
I'm (pretty) certain my great great grandparents were John Davidson and Isabella Birnie, who lived Peterhead and married 1 Dec 1882 in Lonmay. My problem is with his parents. On John's marriage cert they are described as William Davidson and Jessie Davidson (M.S. Jaffray), both deceased. I've found a birth cert from 1859 that matches John's details. This describes William as a ship's carpenter. Unfortunately there was no info on the parent's wedding.
Next I found William Davidson's death cert in 1870 - the details matched, ship's carpenter, married to Jessie Jaffray.
I also found a marriage OPR on Scotland's People showing a marriage between a Jessie Jaffray and A WM Davidson in 1854, in Fraserburgh.
On censuses Jessie's birthplace is given as Kincardine O'Neill but I can find nothing of her birth either on SP or the IGIs.
To confuse matters there is another couple with the same names as William and Jessie (including M.S. of Jaffray!) This means I've found 13 children on the IGIs with the same parents' names.
I cannot find anything more on Jessie, no birth or death record. (I also looked on SP to see if she remarried - no luck.) I found her as a widowed washerwoman, along with her children in the 1881 census. She must have died between 1881 and 1882.
Also, just using census records, I guess William's birth to be around 1828ish. On SP there are 2 Williams born 1827 and one in 1828. No idea which is which!
I'm beginning to think this is brick wall time. I hope someone can give me some ideas on where to search next.
FeeJay ??? ???
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Hi Feejay,
Also, just using census records, I guess William's birth to be around 1828ish. On SP there are 2 Williams born 1827 and one in 1828. No idea which is which
Did William's 1870 death cert not indicate who his parents were?
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Feejay
These are the two marriages showing on IGI for a William Davidson and Jessie Jaffray:
1. WM. DAVIDSON Marriage: 15 OCT 1854 Fraserburgh, Aberdeen, Scotland
2. WILLIAM DAVIDSON Marriage: 01 JUN 1865 Saint Fergus, Banff, Scotland
This will help you when trying to figure out who had which children! You also have a number of children's births showing post 1870, after your William Snr died.
I also cannot see any obvious deaths of a J* J*f*r /Davi*s* female any place/age that fits your Jessie who shows as age 46 in 1881 (I assume the death by year 1882 comes from John's marriage cert). I can only think that her name have been mis-indexed. If you have a complete list of their children and with William's parents' names confirmed, you could check to see if they followed Scottish naming patterns. If so, whether you could find a set of parents with those names in the 1841 census including a Janet/Jessie in the household - it's a start until you figure out how Jessie's death has been indexed.
Regards.
Monica
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Thank you Grothenwell and Monica for your replies.
The death certificate information I got from Scotland's people is very poor quality reproduction, with parts of it unreadable. (I really think they should change 2 and 1/2 credits for it rather than the full 5.) Because of this I didn't think to look at William's parents' names.
After much scrutiny I think William's father was John/James/or possibly Iain. And his mother's name is most likely Elizabeth. Hopefully this will narrow it down a bit. I'm going back to the IGIs right now.
This can be such a frustrating hobby. After watching 'Who Do you think you are?' I really wish I could get someone else to do this for me - they make it look so easy on the telly!
Thanks
FeeJay
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Feejay
You can contact SP re an illegible image and they will send out in most cases a paper copy which can make a huge difference to legibility, see http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=1202 Quote the name and the GROS ref for the cert you viewed when contacting them. Hopefully the paper copy will be much clearer.
Regards.
Monica
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My starter for 10! From William's death cert. I would guess the mother to be Elizabeth Booth. This would also fit in with the birth from IGI for:
ELIZABETH BOOTH DAVIDSON Birth: 22 MAY 1856 Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Parents: Father: WILLIAM DAVIDSON Mother:JESSIE JAFFREY
There is a marriage on IGI for Elizabeth Booth and a John Davidson:
ELIZABETH BOOTH Marriages: Spouse: JOHN DAVIDSON
Marriage: 26 DEC 1815 Monquhitter, Aberdeen, Scotland
And a possible birth entry for your William:
WILLIAM DAVIDSON Birth: 07 OCT 1829 Fraserburgh, Aberdeen, Scotland
Parents: JOHN DAVIDSON and BETTY BOOTH
Monica
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Elizabeth Booth was the mother of William I believe. She died two months before him, age 77, in Peterhead. Robert Thomson reported the death, the same Robert Thomson that reported William's death two months later (nephew/neighbour?).
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I wonder if this is the family in 1841, from FreeCen:
DAVIDSON John 40 Flesher b.Aberdeenshire
DAVIDSON Elizabeth 45 b. Aberdeenshire
DAVIDSON Alexander 15 b. Aberdeenshire
DAVIDSON William 13 b. Aberdeenshire
DAVIDSON Ann 11 b.Aberdeenshire
DAVIDSON Mary 9 b.Aberdeenshire
BAIN David 20 Apprentice Carrier b. Aberdeenshire
Address: Ugie Street, Peterhead-Aberdeenshire
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Found Jessie! She didn't die between 1881-2, she went on to live another another 26 years, death in 1908.
From her death cert. details, this looks to be her family in 1841, from FreeCen:
JAFFREY John 30 Wright b. Aberdeenshire
JAFFREY Augness 30 b. Aberdeenshire
JAFFREY Jannet 5 b. Aberdeenshire
JAFFREY Andrew 3 b. Aberdeenshire
Address: New Leeds, Strichen-Aberdeenshire
And, from IGI, her parents' marriage:
JOHN JAFFREY Marriages: Spouse: AGNES ROGER
Marriage: 28 AUG 1832 Strichen, Aberdeen, Scotland
There are no details on IGI for John and Agnes's children. Nor can I see any reference to Kirkardine O'Neil as yet.
Monica
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Monica
You are an absolute genius. Thank you so much for finding that information. I was looking and looking and I think after a while you can't see what you're looking for.
I'm really pleased to find some information about Jessie Jaffray, especially as there were two ladies of that name, I was beginning to think I was imagining mine.
I'm also pleased that I have an ancestor with a different occupation. That's the first flesher and one of the minority of my family who were not ag labs.
I've contacted Scotland's People about my unreadable downloads. Thanks for telling me about that.
FeeJay :)
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Alexander KELMAN m Ann DAVIDSON 12 October 1857 Fraserburgh
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Hmm this has confused me as i have Jessie Jaffray died 1926 peterhead age 84 married to William Davidson
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Hmm this has confused me as i have Jessie Jaffray died 1926 peterhead age 84 married to William Davidson
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These are the two marriages showing on IGI for a William Davidson and Jessie Jaffray:
1. WM. DAVIDSON Marriage: 15 OCT 1854 Fraserburgh, Aberdeen, Scotland
2. WILLIAM DAVIDSON Marriage: 01 JUN 1865 Saint Fergus, Banff, Scotland
Looks like yours is the latter?
Annie