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Hi, I am looking for the birth details of my Grandmother Hilda Aylmore born 12/6/1891 in Whitstable, Kent. the details I have from her marriage certificate are that she was living at 2 Marmion Terrace, Whitstable, Kent in 1918. she was 27 years old. it states her father was Frederick Aylmore, occupation - Master Mariner, I don't have any details of her mother or any siblings. My Grandfather was William Fuller Milner aged 31 years old, occupation Corporal Royal Engineer service number 331620 it states that he was a widower but I have no other details of his former wife or if there were any siblings from this marriage. He was living at 6 Granby Terrace, Sowham. Cambridge. his father was Carlton Milner occupation master butcher. there is a Scottish connection as my father was born in troon,ayrshire. other brothers and sisters that I know of are Silvi Milner,my father William Fuller Milner, Margory Milner, Hazel Milner, Hilda Milner and Ronnie Milner.
My grandfather died of TB and my grandmother remarried a Harry Waite there were two children from this marriage James Waite and Harry Waite, any help would be most appreciated. Regards Pennielane
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Hi Pennielane
Welcome to Rootschat!
This is Hilda in 1901 with her mother & siblings; and her mother's Step-Father.
Has been indexed as AGLMORE , but is clearly AYLMORE on image
1901 - Whitstable Urban, Kent
Ecclesiastical parish: Whitstable All Saints
RD: Blean Sub-RD: Whitstable ED:5
ADDRESS: 88 Albert Street
Head: Ann AYLMORE 31, marr, Husband away at sea, b Whitstable Kent
Dau: Maud AYLMORE 13, b Whitstable Kent
Dau: Hilda AYLMORE 9, b Whitstable Kent
Son: Porter AYLMORE 7, b Whitstable Kent
SOn: William AYLMORE 5, b Whitstable Kent
Son: Edward H AYLMORE 2, b Herne, Kent
Dau: Ruby AYLMORE 1mnth, b Whitstable Kent
Step-Father: James MITTEN 49, wid, Domestic Gardener, b Brighton Sussex
Prior to that (1891, 1881) I don't think things are quite so straightforward!
I know you are after Hilda's birth.....and perhaps sorting her parents out first may help find it......
Cheers
AMBLY
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1891 - Seasalter, Whitstable Kent
RD: Blean Sub RD:Whitstable , ED: 10
ED, institution, or vessel:10
REF: Class: RG12; Piece: 711; Folio 127; Page 5
Address: Ship Yd - High Streeet
Head: John MITTEN 42, (Groom) Ostler, b Hawkhurst Kent
Wife: Emma MITTEN 50, b Whitstable Kent
Son: Edward MITTEN 15, b Whitstable Kent
Son: George KELSEY 25, General Labourer, b Whitstable Kent
Dau: Annie KELSEY 19, b Whitstable Kent
Son: Walter KELSEY 17, (Seas) Mariner, b Whitstable Kent
Dau: Maud KELSEY 3, b Whitstable Kent
1881 Whitstable Kent
RD:Blean Sub RD :Whitstable ED: 2
REF: Class: RG11; Piece: 964; Folio: 30; Page: 19
Address: 3 Horsebridge Road
Head: James MITTEN 30?*, Groom, b Hatfield, Sussex
Wife: Emma MITTEN 47, Groom's Wife, b Whitstable Kent
Dau: Minnie MITTEN 10, Scholar, b Ashurst Sussex
Son: Albert MITTEN 9, Scholar, b Ashurst Sussex
Son: Edward MITTEN 6, Scholar, b Whitstable Kent
StepSon: George KELSEY 14, Scholar, b Whitstable Kent
StepDau: Ellen KELSEY 9, Scholar, b Whitstable Kent
StepSon: Walter KELSEY 7, Scholar, b Whitstable Kent
* Enumerator has made a mark thru James' 1881 age - looks like 30, but could be other than 0.
The ages are all over the place for James/John MITTEN, and the birthplace is different when he is John - the children say this is the same family 1881/1891 but is John the same man as James??
Emma also has a very fluid age - this looks like her death, which would match her age 50 in 1891 - yet in 1881 she is definitely enumerated as 47, not 40 or 41....
Deaths Mar Qtr 1899 - RD: Blean, Ref: 2a 578
Mitten Emma Elizabeth age 69
As to Annie KELSEY 1891 - this looks like the one who is Ann AYLMORE on 1901 - but is she also "Ellen" KELSEY on 1881 (a misheard name?) And Maud KELSEY , on 1891 is she more than likely Annie's daughter, not Emma's, and is the same Maud AYLMORE on 1901 as Hilda's sister.....?
So, given it looks like Hilda's mother maybe still unmarried as Annie KELSEY in Census in April 1891, it is possible Hilda was named KELSEY or maybe even MITTEN, on her birth records for June that same year, not AYLMORE.
Cheers
AMBLY
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And here she is ;D ;D
Births Sep Quarter 1891
KELSEY Hilda Aylmore
RD: Blean
REF: Vol: 2a page 836
Looks like the lot of them will take some sorting!
As for a marriage betwixt Ann KELSEY and Frederick AYLMORE - look for it between 1891 and 1893 - but nothing coming up - Hilda's younger siblings are all registered as AYLMORE:
Births Sep Q 1893 Aylmore Porter RD: Blean 2a853
Births Sep Q 1895 Aylmore William RD: Blean 2a865
Births Dec Q 1898 Aylmore Edward Herbert RD Blean 2a847
Births Mar Q 1901 Aylmore Ruby RD Blean 2a905
Cheers
AMBLY
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Arghh! I said there'd be some sorting needing doing ::)
I checked marriages images June Quarter 1891, and got to June Quarter 1892:
Porter AYLMORE
Ann KELSEY
RD: Blean
REF: Vol 20, Page 1399
Noting, Ann AYLMORE's son Porter on 1901 - born 1893.
No Frederick getting wed same page (thinking 2 brothers marrying same day....)
Cheers
AMBLY
Going Bonkers - just looking at Porter AYLMORE's in Census ...coming up....
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This is Porter AYLMORE's family in 1871:
1871 - Bosham Sussex
RD :Westbourne Sub-RD :Westbourne ED2
REF: Class: RG10; Piece: 1124; Folio: 21; Page: 6
Address: Mariners Ter.
Head: Porter H AYLMORE 37, Mariner. b West Wittering Susses
Wife: Caroline AYLMORE 41, b West Wittering Sussex
Son: William T AYLMORE 11, Scholar, b Itchenor Sussex
Son: Porter AYLMORE 10, Scholar, b Itchenor Sussex
Son: Frederick AYLMORE 8, Scholar, b Itchenor Sussex
Dau: Letitia AYLMORE 7, Scholar, b Itchenor Sussex
Son: Willis AYLMORE 2, b Itchenor Sussex
Father is Porter Hero AYLMORE, Mother is Caroline TOWES, Married Jun Qtr 1852 Westhampnett Sussex. They are quite identifiable on Census,
Note the little brother Frederick.
Now we are getiing back to the the part of Sussex in which Tazzie found a birth record of another Hilda AYLMORE in STeyning Sussex 1891 (as it happens, there was a Maud Alice AYLMORE in born 1888 Qtr Westhampnett Sussex too, but I am not sure this is your Hilda's sister - maybe related thought as the AYLMORE's seem to come from that part of Sussex).
AND here is a link:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=afulsang&id=I1173
Someone is actively researching this exact AYLMORE family and has a current tree posted on Rootsweb (with an email address) . She hasn't much listed for the 2 brothers, but may have informatuion note on the web-tree.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Ambly....
Frederick is on vessels in 1881 as a seaman....could be frederick is the dad but she married Porter...stranger things happen..
Tazzie
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Hi tazzie ;D
Yeah, I saw that too
The 2 Brothers -
Porter AYLMORE born abt 1861 Itchenor
Frederick AYLMORE born abt 1862 Itchenor
In 1881: Frederick
In Port at Stranton, Co.Durham
Frederick AYLMORE, 19, single, Seaman, b Itchinor Sussex - crew on the vessel "Busy Bee".
I's a small ship - there is 4 crew including the master.
In 1891: Frederick ??
In 1881: Porter
I believe he is visiting a family named MOUNTFIELD in Alverstoke Hampshire, and has been mis-enumerated as Peter:
Visitor: Peter AYLMORE 20, single, Mariner, b Bosham Sussex
In 1891: Porter
Porter AYLMORE 28, single, Mate, b Chichester Sussex, crew on the vessell "Guide".
It's a small vessel - 9 crew in all including the master.
(has been indexed as age 23 but it is clearly 28!!. POB is a o bit out too, but still think this is him.
As a note, in 1901 their father Porter Hero AYLMORE is on a small vessell two (2 of the crew are also AYLMORE's) and is on the Lincolnshire Census as a vessel in port on the Humber. He is similar in 1881, as P H AYLMORE,
This seems to indicate these men were perhaps not sailors on the High Seas (ie not going back and forth to America or Australia etc). and therefore if Frederick died btw 1881 and 1893 it should be on the local BDM records and not a "Marine Death abroad"....??
I think it's very possible too, that Ann was first Fred's girl, with whom she had Hilda out of Wedlock. Then something happened to poor Fred before he could make an honest woman of her (and a death could have occurred any time in the 9 months prior to Hilda's birth). Later, Porter became more than her "brother and law" and Hilda's uncle, and became her husband. Romantic I'd say! (And all supposition too!).
Cheers
AMBLY
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Dear Ambly, this is wonderful stuff and now that you have found Frederick what you say makes good sence, do you know when Frederick died?. and have you managed to find out who was living in Hilda house when she got married or can you tell me how to search this?. although you seem to enjoy helping people with their searching, and from what I have just read about Frederick and Porter I think I will send for Hilda Aylmore Kelsey's birth certificate to see what it might reveal.
Kind regards Pennielane
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See also
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,183292.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,182923.0.html
Casalguidi
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Goodness!!
So many people onto the same family!! And we are all coming round to the same conclusions....
It is wise to be cautious... However, AYLMORE was not a common name in Whitstable area - In 1901 Census, your Hilda's family were the only ones. There is certainly not another possible Hilda AYLMORE, anywhere in the UK in fact - unless the name is again wildly mistranscribed, or the age is - and I doubt it, I searched just under "Hilda" as it was to find your one.
And - the Hilda Annie AYLMORE born in Steyning, Sussex 1891 - she died :'( in 1893 (FREEBMD) So she is not a contender.
Also FREEBMD is not a complete source - but even given that, if I search AYLMORE in Blean Registration District, there is :
1 Marriage - Porter to Ann KELSEY
0 Deaths
8 births - the first 4 of which are Hilda's younger siblings as per the 1901 Census - and I'm betting the rest of them are too.
You mention Hilda was supposed to have a sister named Polly and yet there is no mention of her in this family we have all found. "Polly" may simply have not been born by 1901 - 1908 and Polly may well be a nickname that bears no resemblance to her birth name. In 1901 Ann the mother, was only 31. She has 10-15 good child bearing years left. Indeed, I think it may prove that the other 4 Blean births after Ruby in 1901, may also prove to be siblings:
1902 - AYLMORE Ethel Colley L Blean 2a 922
1905 - AYLMORE Raymond Blean 2a 999
1906 - AYLMORE Ronald Pout Blean 2a 947
1908 - Aylmore Daphne Blean 2a 1031
The first thing is to establish whether or not the 1901 family is yours, and odds are that it is the correct one, and Hilda's birth was registered as KELSEY. I don't think there will be any better match. Luckily, you already have a family sourced DOB to check against it. If Hilda was illigitimate her birth certificate is probably not going to have any mention of her birth father - but it will confirm her mother's name....
Once that is done, that leaves the question open as to who Frederick was.
And - did he come before or after Porter?
And - was or was he not Porter's brother?
And - what became of him
Hilda's 1918 marriage says her father was Frederick.
All romanticising about a lost beau who meets an untimely death on the seas and a brother stepping in as 'protector' to a young and bereft "widow" aside..... we must not assume Frederick was her birth father!! He may have been the man who brought her up . It is just as possible that Porter was her birth father and HE was the one who later disappeared or died and Frederick stepped in as the father figure to the family!
It would be interesting, therefore to see who Hilda's sister Maud names as her father on her marriage records, if she married.
I cannot say if Porter's brother Frederick is the one mentioned on Hilda's marriage, maybe it was another relative, but not a brother - nor can I say if Frederick died btween 1881 and 1893 - I can find no FREEBMD death anyway.
Once establishing Hilda's mother was Ann Kelsey, I think could be an idea to get a birth cert of one the latest children you can get a record of - maybe Ruby, or take a bigger risk and get Daphne's and see who the father is named as - was it Porter?
Who were the witness' when Hilda married William Fuller MILNER?
Question:
Where can one obtain Electoral Roll details for Whitestable 1918, to see who was at Hilda's marriage address.
Cheers
AMBLY
Later PS: Witness at Hilda's 1918 wedding were:
Ann POUT & E S HIGHSTEAD
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=183292.new;topicseen#new
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I have found reference to1918 Absent Voters List
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=37064&st=0&p=302197&#entry302197
"Local 1918 Absent Voters Register will give some military information and the home address of every man over 21 who was still alive when the register was compiled"
"Parents and/or any wives over the age of 30 will be on the 1918 Electoral Roll for the same address"
"Some old Almanacs that contain information, although the dates in them are not always accurate ........worth asking about at your local library"
This looks like a place to start? And since that specific quest is buried in this topic about Hilda's birth, I would perhaps place a new message on the Kent board asking about the 1918 Register.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Frederick AYLMORE
Trying to narrow down possibilities.
On FREEBMD I search for Frederick AYLMORE 1838 to 1876 and have 4 results:
1) 1862 AYLMORE Frederick Westhampnett 2b268
2) 1867 Aylmore Frederick George Chichester 2b346
3) 1873 AYLMORE Frederick Alfred Westhampnett 2b324
4) 1875 - AYLMORE Frederick John R Stoke D. 5b323
The last born 1875, died in 1878, so that leaves just the top 3. Any one of them is of an age to be Hilda's father, albiet the 1873 is a bit young! And all Sussex born.
As said prior, FREEBMD is incomplete. It can give a good indication of where more unusual names appear to be clustered though.
In Census - I search in each case just for Fred* Ayl*m*r* born anywhere, anytime, living anyplace. On occasion a surname is mistranscribed for one or the other of them - but over all Census these 3 found on FREEBMD are the only ones coming up 1871 to 1901 - with the exception of an extra soldier in 1891 who may well be misnamed or using a middle name. One would suppose, if there were many more than the 3 FREEBMD ones, that they'd appear on at least one of the 4 Census as another "candidate" to consider. Apart from the soldier, not so. There are a few Frederick AYLMER's but as this is a distincly seperate name I won't go there at the moment.
1871:
1) Frederick 8, b 1863 Ichenor, with his parents, Porter Hero & Caroline in Bosham.
2) Frederick 3, b 1868 (misindexed as AGHNORE) is in Sub Deanery Chichester, with his parents Samuel & Emily
1881:
1) Frederick 19, b 1862 Itchenor, Mariner on the Vessel "Busy Bee" in Durham.
2) Frederick 13, b 1868 Chichester, Scholar in SubDeanery Sussex with parents Samuel & Emily
3) Frederick 8, b 1873 Sidlesham (RD Westhampnett) , Scholar in Sidlesham. with parents Vine & Hannah.
1891:
1) Frederick 28, unm, b 1862 Ichenor, Seas Mariner, living in Bosham West Sussex.(details below)
2) Frederick G, 23, unm, b 1868 Chichester a Tailor(NOT a sailor!), living with his parents Samuel & Emily in Rumbolds Wake Sussex
3) Frederick A , 17, unm, b 1874 Sidlesham, an Ag Lab, living Sidlesham with parents Vine & Hannah.
And we have another popping up:
4) Fredk 20, unm, b 1871 Brighton Sussex., a Private in Army Barracks in Kensington.
1901:
1) Not finding Itchenor Frederick.
2) Frederick 33, b 1868 Chichester married to Ellen, living Wiltshire, a Tailor working from home, and also Baptist Local Preacher.
3) Frederick 27, unm, b 1874 Sidlesham, an Ag Lab, living with his widow mother "Harriet", in Sidlesham.
4) Not finding Army Fred. Couldn't find him 1881 either.
It's looking very very likely to me, that the Frederick AYLMORE, Mariner, on Hilda's marriage record was indeed Porter AYLMORE's brother.
We have this Fred in Census 1871 and 1881. Now, seeing the overall Census results - I feel this is him in 1891, not on the seas and not deceased - but very oddly enumerated. Coming next......
Cheers
AMBLY
PS: The 1930 US Census shows 2) Fred b 1868 Chischester and wife Ellen, are now in North Carolina USA - where he is a Congregational Minister.
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1891 - Bosham West Sussex,
RD Westbourne, REF: Class: RG12; Piece: 850; Folio 23; Page 12
Address: Bosham Terrace
Head* : Mary AYLMORE 38, b Freshwater, Isle of Wight
Son: Frederick AYLMORE 28, Seas Mariner, b Ichenor Sussex
Dau**: Annie BLANN 15, B Poole Dorset
Son**: Arthur BLANN 13, Telegraph Clerk, b Poole Dorset
Dau: Alice AYLMORE 9, Scholar, b Bosham Sussex
Dau: Beatrice AYLMORE 7, Scholar, b Bosham Sussex
Son: Percy AYLMORE 5, Scholar, b Bosham Sussex
Dau: Frederica AYLMORE 4, Scholar, b Bosham Sussex
Dau: Grace AYLMORE 1, b Bosham Sussex
Son: George AYLMORE 7 months, b Bosham Sussex
Patently, Frederick 28 is not Mary 38's 's natural born son!!
* Mary was originally entered as a "Wife" - this was crossed out and "Head" was written over it.
** These two indexed as AYLMORE - but on image, they are clearly not, and at first unsure, but now I can see: their surname is BLANN.
So now we have Porter & Frederick, I believe, in 1891.
And neither of them in 1901, though we assume - maybe incorreccly - that Porter is the "husband at sea" in Ann AYLMORE"s 1901 entry.
Here is Mary, of the 1891 above, in 1881:
1881 - Bosham Sussex
RD Westbourne, REF: Class: RG11; Piece: 1135; Folio: 27; Page: 15
Address: Seaside - Heathfield Str.
Head: Mary S AYLMORE 29, marr, Master Mariner's wife, b Freshwater Isle of Wight
Son: Willis AYLMORE 12, Scholar, b Itchenor, Sussex
Son: Alfred AYLMORE 10,m Scholar, b Bosham Susses
Dau: Annie AYLMORE 5, Scholar, b Poole Dorset
Son: Arthur H. S. AYLMORE, 3, b Poole Dorset
Dau: Louisa A. M. AYLMORE 7 months, b Bosham.
OK
I'm taking a BIG breath here becasue I gotta get this right.......this all goes back to Porter Hero AYLMORE - Porter Jnr and Frederick's father.
Cheers
AMBLY
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In 1881 Willis AYLMORE is age 12, and listed as Mary's son, above.
But, in 1871 Willis is age 2 and son of Porter Hero AYLMORE and wife Caroline (age 41). (see way above).
Porter Hero AYLMORE and Caroline TOWES were married in 1859.
Caroline AYLMORE age 49, died: Mar Quarter 1879 , RD Westbourne, Ref: 2b275.
She is hardly cold, when Porter Hero AYLMORE married again, to:
Mary Sophia BLANN in Jun Qtr 1879 in Chichester.
So....In 1881 and 1891 above: Mary S AYLMORE's absent husband is Porter Hero AYLMORE (he's P H AYLMORE on a Vessel in Sussex with Albert & Percy aboard too in 1901, Mary is found also in 1901 but no stepsons Frederick or Porter in the house).
And... Frederick AYLMORE in her house in 1891, is her technical stepson - Porter's Hero's son by Caroline and the brother to Porter Jnr who married Ann KELSEY 1892....
I am picking that:
Willis and Alfred in 1881 are Porter Hero's by Caroline.
Annie & Arthur in 1881 are Mary's (nee STARKE, by William BLANN)
Louisa in 1881 is theirs
Further:
Marriages Dec Qtr 1870 , RD: Isle of Wight: Ref: 2b 1005
William BLANN to Mary Sophia STARKE
Deaths Mar Qtr 1879, RD: Lymington Hampshire, Ref: 2b 415
BLANN William age 41 Lymington
(if this is Mary;'s husband - looks like both she and Porter Hero were both very newly widowed when they married 1879)
Still doesn't answer - where was Porter jnr & Fred in 1901
Still doesn't answer which one was Hilda's father.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Pennielane
Digressing a bit:
But of interest looks like Hilda's brother William (as on the 1901) was a seaman and in 1953 was on a ship into a USA port
Oregon Passenger and Crew Lists
Departed: Vancouver And Victoria, British Columbia
Arrived: Portland, Oregon 21 Mar 1953
Vessell: COULGORM
Crew Member: William AYLMORE age 57, born 27 Jul 1895 Whitstable (British)
Was not a Crew Member on last voyage to USA
Length of Service at Sea : 35 (Years)
Position: A.B. (Able Seaman)
Engaged (on the Coulgorm) 13 Nov 1952
Whether To be Discharged at Port of Arrival: No
Description: : 5'8", 154 Llbs, Tattooed both forearms.
He's also mentioned here:
http://oystertown.net/people/ww2men.html
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Pennielane!
On the other side, you were also asking about your Grandfather:
William Fuller MILNER age 31 in 1918 (so born approx 1887) and Corporal Royal Engineer service number 331620.
A widower when he married Hilda, in 1918 but no details known of his first wife or of any issue of that marriage. He was living at 6 Granby Terrace, Sowham. Cambridge. His father was Carlton Milner occupation master butcher.
Someone else, named Phil was looking for William - his Grandad too - a year ago (and said he was born in Sunderland)
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=42523
The exciting thing is, Phil is saying his father, son of William Fuller MILNER was born June 1914.
Therefore, it looks to me as if he a descendant of the first marriage you speak of ;D ;D
Phil had found him on the 1918 absent voters list for Cambridgeshire
as: William Fuller Milner WR/331620 Cpl., I.W. & D., R.E.
IW & D stands for "Inlands Waterways & Docks".
RE stands for "Royal Engineers"
A medal card was found:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...1&resultcount=1
Milner, William
Corps Regiment No Rank
Royal Army Medical Corps 37485 Private
Royal Army Medical Corps 37485 Corporal
Royal Navy Reserve Royal Engineers W R 331620 Serjeant
On the forum, you can read what Phil had transcribed as to what the medal card says.
So, I would perhaps be sending Phil a PM thru that forum and hope he is still getting notifications thru it!
Meantime: I'll post up William and his family on the Census...coming up
Cheers
AMBLY
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1901: Sunderland Durham
Ecclesiastical parish:St Michael
RD :Sunderland Sub-RD :North Bishopwearmouth , ED 17
REF: Class: RG13; Piece: 4707; Folio: 187; Page: 23
Address; 32 Vale Street
Head: Carlton MILNER 38, Butcher (own account) , b So. Hylton Durham
Wife: Mary Jane MILNER 40, b Sunderland
Son: Carlton MILNER 15, Iron Manufacturers Clerk, b Sunderland
Son: Wm. Fuller MILNER 13, b Sunderland
Dau: Mary Alice MILNER 8, b Sunderland
Son: Frank MILNER 6, b Sunderland
Son: James Melvin MILNER 3, b Sunderland
Son: Harold F MILNER 1, b Sunderland
1891 - Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland Durham
Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch
RD :Sunderland Sub RD :South Bishop Wearmouth ED:6b
REF: Class: RG12; Piece: 4134; Folio 72; Page 40
Address: 8 Avenue Terrace
Head: Carlton MILNER 28, Butcher, b Sunderland Durham
Wife: Mary MILNER 30, b Sunderland Durham
Dau: Jenny MILNER 9, Scholar, b Sunderland Durham
Son: Samuel A MILNER 7, Scholar, b Sunderland Durham
Son: Carlton MILNER 5, Scholar, b Sunderland Durham
Son: William F MILNER, 3, b Sunderland Durham
Dau: Sarah MILNER 1 week, b Sunderland Durham
SisterInLaw: Sarah WILSON, 28, single, Nurse (sick), b Sheffield Yorkshire
Carlton MILNER married Mary Jane WILSON
RD Sunderland 10a 701, June Qtr 1881
Cheers
AMBLY
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And Carlton himself, with his parents (prior to marriage to Mary Jane)
1881 - Ford , Durham
RD :Sunderland Sub RD :North Bishop Wearmouth , ED 19
REF: Class: RG11; Piece: 4992; Folio: 22; Page: 38;
Address: 4 Frederick Street
Head: Joseph MILNER 73, Butcher, b London Middlesex
Wife: Elizabeth MILNER 49, b So. Stockton Yorkshire
Son: Carlton MILNER 18, unm, Assistant Butcher, b So Hylton, Durham
Dau: Thomasine MILNER 14, Scholar, b So Hylton, Durham
Son: Melvin MILNER 11, Scholar, b So Hylton, Durham
Servant: Sarah SNOWDON 17, unm, Domestic Servant, b So Hylton, Durham
1871 - South Hylton , Ford, Durham
RD Sunderland Sub-RD :North Bishop Wearmouth, ED 17
REF: Class: RG10; Piece: 5003; Folio: 5; Page: 4;
Address: Frederic Street
Head: Joseph MILNER 63, Butcher, b London Middlesex
Wife: Elizabeth MILNER 39, b Stockton Durham
Dau: Margaret MILNER 25, unm, b Hylton Durham
Dau: Sarah MILNER 16, unm, b Hylton Durham
Dau: Thomasine MILNER 5, Scholar, b Hylton Durham
Son: Carlton MILNER 8, Scholar, b Hylton Durham
Son: Melvin MILNER 21 months? Weeks?, b Hylton Durham
SonInLaw: Joshua PRINGLE 24, marr, Butcher, b Newcastle Northumberland
Dau: Mary H PRINGLE 22, marr, Butchers Wife, b Hylton Durham
Grandson: Joseph PRINGLE 7 months, b Jarrow Durham
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi All
Just seen this post and registered.
Pennielane, I have sent you a personal email via rootschat. Looks like we are related, I recognise all the Milner names. My grandfather's second wife was Hilda Aylmore (Waite), My father is son from first marriage. I remember meeting her in 1963. Lots to tell you...
Please reply to the PM.
Regards
Phil
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Welcome Phil!
Oooooh! How exciting for both of you!
Phil, you much be the fellow I found and posted about above ? (Just to put my mind at rest :P)
Best wishes and happy reunion to you both
Cheers
AMBLY
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TO PENNIELANE AND ALL MILNER-AYLMORE PEOPLE.
I'm sure many of you know me,but some of you have got your facts in a real
twist.
William Milner was my grandfather and Hilda Aylmore-Milner my grandmother.
After the tragic death of my mother Silvia Milner-Horrick in Canada, I was brought
up by my Gran Hilda. she spent hours telling me family history.
Ronnie Milner,ex chief of the London fire brigade was her step son.
Sadly her real son named after his father Billy,seems to go with out mention.
William Milner died of T.B in Wheatwood cottage,two miles outside of Wooler Northumberland.
Now stuck in alien territory with many mouths to feed Gran had it tough.
One day a Handsome man named Henry Waite,popped by,married her giving her
two sons James Roy Waite and Henry Wallace Waite.
In fact Gran was Born in 1897.
For more detailed info please make contact. LIZARD
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Hi;
I last saw my Uncle Billy in 1978 when I was over to visit Aunt Marjorie and my cousin, Michele Potter, nee Paulin. I did meet a son of Billy's, being my cousin. I don't remember his name. Might that have been you? How can I help? Michele and I have been in touch for years and have become great friends. I am also in touch with Sylvia's daughter, my cousin Jane. Just saw Jane and her husband, Dave last May in Vancouver, Canada. How can I help? There is lots of info already, isn't there? It seems that Grandma's mother's maiden name was Kelsey? Grandma's maiden name was Aylmore. Nothing new there. I found her marriage certificate to William Fuller Milner on Ancestry.com. They were married in County Durham. I know that a sister of Grandma moved to Australia. I really don't know much more except that Grandma told me she was born in June and it would have been 1891. She died at approx. 88 and a half in the latter half of 1989. Let me know if I can help any other way. I researched the Milners and nearly lost my mind with all the children and marriages/remarriages after the deaths of spouses. I have come to the conclusion that, anytime I meet someone with the last name of Milner, I figure that we must be related somewhere. All the best.
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Hi
William Fuller Milner was my grandfather. His first marriage was to Constance Fleet who died in 1918 in the spainish flu epidemic.
My father was the only son of that marriage. He had three full sisters, Olive born 1912-2006, Ronnie (my father) born 1914-2003, Vera born 1916-1945, and Phyillis born 1917-1920. William's second marriage was to Hilda Aylmore, they then had further children, Hilda, Marjorie, Hazel, Sylvia and William (Billy). These were my fathers half brothers and sisters.
Which child are you decended from ? I would be very interested in any information and photographs you have of the family.
Regards Phil Milner
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Hi, Phil;
I think that Michele and I were trying to find you. So lovely to meet you. I know about your father's family. I believe that your grandmother, Constance died of leukemia? I am Hazel's daughter.
Hilda and our grandfather, William also had a child that died in infancy among that brood. I don't know if it was a boy or girl, though.
I may have some pictures but probably not much that would help you. I only have one picture of our grandfather, William that Aunt Marjorie sent me over 30 years ago. Marjorie spoke of having ongoing contact over the years with your dad, Ronnie. She had lost touch with him by the time that she told me this. I would have to hunt for it but could get it scanned and emailed to you if you want? There are pictures of Hilda's and William's brood and also my half uncles from my grandma, Hilda's marriage to Mr. Waite. Those uncles, Harry and Jim are now gone, as are all of the other siblings/half-siblings to my knowledge. Marjorie was the last to go at age 94, only a few years ago. I had three brothers, all older. One was a still born. The other two are also gone now. Let me know if I can help you with anything specific. All the best, Pamela
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Hi Pam,
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Regards
Phil
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Problem using quick reply? ???
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Are you telling us that you are having a problem with the private message function ??? If so please describe the problem so that we can help you.
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This was a message that I got earlier and I don't understand it--
Something about not using the proper response function and message was deleted as it could be spam? Not sure if message was mind or a response from someone else.
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was it this one ?
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Yes, it was. Thx.
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That was the message earlier on the thread, the member had published his email address which is not a safe practice and it was removed.
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I see. I guess you will advise how he might provide it to me? I think that he may be looking for me to send a PDF of a family picture.
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Well he can reply to this topic with an image or he can send you a pm as i said earlier ;)
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K. Thx. I am sure that it will all shake out. After all, you were only trying to protect him.
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Hi Pam, I sent you a personal message, did you get it ok. Phil