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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: MissM on Thursday 21 September 06 13:20 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
Having tried unsuccessfully to find the father of G G Grandad Mathew (dob 1809), I checked out a cousin who was staying with him on the 1851 census. Her name was Elizabeth and from her marriage certificate, I've found her father's name is Hiram. I believe this would make him my Mathew's uncle and brother to his father.
However, I am now having problems finding Hiram! But I have found Hyrich and wondered if this was an alternative way of recording it. I presume these are 'old' Irish names but I'd like it confirmed please if anyone can!
Any information on Hiram and/or Mathew's parents from before 1809 VERY gratefully received!
Thanks,
Lynne
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Lynne,
I know this is probably too late in the 1800s, but I came across a Hiram Moneypenny who leased warehouse rooms, 2nd floor, over 16/17 Dobbin Street, Armagh, circa 1863. I think it was in the ?land register. That part of my research was too far back for me to remember correctly. ???
Missy2
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Lynne
Hyrich sounds like an attempt to render Heinrich. Neither Heinrich nor Hiram are Irish names - Heinrich is German, Hiram is from the Old Testament of the bible.
Adrian
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I agree that Hiram is not an Irish name, but strangely I have come across the name a couple of times in my Co Armagh research so maybe some local connection.
Also I found mention of a Hiram Moneypenny here, may be your chap. http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Armagh/1859/18590813.html
terry
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From The National Archives catalogue
WO 97/1251/88 HIRAM MONEYPENNY Born KILMORE, Armagh Served in Royal Artillery Discharged aged 28 1803-1814
WO 97/1251/87 HENRY MONEYPENNY Born KILMORE, Armagh Served in Royal Artillery Discharged aged 35 1810-1826
Regards
Valda
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No idea of the possible connection but here is Hiram's marriage.
The Portadown Weekly News
Portadown, County Armagh
August 13, 1859
MARRIAGES.
On the 4th instant, in the Presbyterian Church, Clare,
by the Rev. John Bell, uncle to the bride, assisted by the
Rev. Andrew M’Caldin, Hiram Moneypenny, Esq., Laurel
Cottage, to Agnes, daughter to John Watson, Esq.,
Cornascribe, both of County Armagh.
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Gosh, my phone line was down for 24 hours and I've come back to all your replies! Thank you!
Missy2: Thanks, I'll make a note of that. It all helps bring the picture together.
Adrain: I had a feeling Hiram was Jewish. I can't figure out how that name came into the family yet, but I like diversity so an Irish Jew is great! Thanks.
Terry: That looks like him. I'll tuck it away in my files. I'm putting all my Moneypenny's together on a website so he'll fit in somewhere! Thanks.
Valda: Thanks for these records. I haven't come across Kilmore before so that might be helpful in narrowing down the area they came from.
Ayla: It's funny how easy it's been to find Hiram but no sign anywhere of Mathew! Thanks for the info!
Thanks everyone for all your efforts. Every time I come to Roots Chat I leave with something new!
Lynne
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Lynne
On reflection the Hiram Moneypenny who married Agnes Watson in 1859 may have been a a brother of your Elizabeth Lee (nee Moneyppenny) and both possibly children of the older Hiram Moneypenny who served in the Royal Artillery.
Hiram jnr and Agnes were presumably the owners of this Portadown Manufacturers (Slaters Directory 1881).
CAMBRIC & LINEN HANDKER CHIEF MANUFACTURERS.
Moneypenny & Watson, Cornascrebe
Ayla
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Hi,
I've just discovered that my 2nd great-grandmother was called Rosanna Moneypenny (born cerca 1831) and she married a David Burrell in Lurgan, Co. Armagh on 7 January 1855. Rosanna's father was also Hiram Moneypenny, whose occupation was given as tailor.
I'm just wondering if Rosanna had any siblings and does anyone know who her mother was?
Many thanks
Russell
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Hi,
I've just discovered that my 2nd great-grandmother was called Rosanna Moneypenny (born cerca 1831) and she married a David Burrell in Lurgan, Co. Armagh on 7 January 1855. Rosanna's father was also Hiram Moneypenny, whose occupation was given as tailor.
I'm just wondering if Rosanna had any siblings and does anyone know who her mother was?
Many thanks
Russell
All I can readily see are tithe applotment transcripts (ie. I haven't seen the originals) for Drumcree civil parish dated 1828 in respect of Hyram Moneypenny in 'Mahon' and 'Hyrick' Moneypenny in Annagh, maybe the same man:
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-west/drumcree/maghon/
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-west/drumcree/annagh/
The Hiram Moneypenny previously mentioned in this topic who married Agnes Watson in 1859 was the son of a Charles Moneypenny, probably related (it seems like an Armagh cluster), but I don't know how. You are entering challenging territory, for the existence of records online in this era (and indeed offline) is far from good, and where they exist, the content may not provide any conclusive answer.
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The only Moneypenny I have ever heard about is that she was M's secretary in the James Bond films.
Cannot discuss M's job.
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Any of those Moneypennys a blacksmith back then by any chance? The only Moneypenny that`s well known around Portadown is this place ->https://discovernorthernireland.com/things-to-do/moneypennys-lock-p675221
"Restored 18th Century lock-keeper's house, stables and bothy located on the Newry Canal. The stables contain a 'Life on the Canal' exhibition, which explores the history of the Newry Canal; the oldest summit level canal in the British Isles. Part of the lock-keeper's house, containing a typical early 1900s interior, is also open to the public (please note that the rest of the house is a private residence.
Moneypenny’s Lockhouse
Moneypenny’s lockhouse, stables and lock chamber are situated along the Newry Canal towpath (BT62 3RS). The lockhouse, named after the last lockkeepers to live in the house, has been beautifully restored. The gable end of the house includes a display on how the Moneypenny family would have lived in the 1800s.