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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: AndrewMartin on Sunday 24 September 06 18:11 BST (UK)
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Hello, I've kind of kept my HOWLETT family research on the back burner for a while as it has been in a different county than the majority of my research but I've decided now to start it.
The oldest ancestor i can track is John Howlett, who appears aged 65 on the Mildenhall census of 1851. He is listed with his wife Elizabeth (56), his son Thomas (16 - my Gt Gt Gt Grandfather) and his daughter Elizabeth (14).
The census lists them as born in Ashfield - NFK, Sutton - CAM, Mindham - NFK and Neathersom, SFK respectively.
Now, i'm happy to re-read that as Ashfield SUFFOLK, Sutton CAMBS and possibly Mendham SUFFOLK but i'm stuck with the last one.
Also, these are all guesses and actually, i'd like to get some more information on the family.
I know that in 1855, Thomas married Caroline Clark at Mildenhall and at the time, his father was a labourer.
I know that Thomas and Caroline had a daughter, Elizabeth in 1856 who was my Gt Gt Grandmother (and i've followed her tracks, so i'm okay there) but i have no idea whether she had any siblings or any further aunts or uncles.
Thomas died a few years later and then widow Caroline Howlett remarried to Robert Coe of Prickwillow - that bit is also well covered.
Any info on the HOWLETT family of Suffolk is greatly appreciated.
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Heres a possible in 1841 Burnt Fen ,Lakenheath,Mildenhall Suffolk.
H0107 EN District 8 Page 8 Line 7.
John Howlett,50,Ag Lab.
Elizabeth Howlett,40.
James Howlett,15.
Robert Howlett,10.
Ellen Howlett,10.
Honora?Howlett,8.
Thomas Howlett,6.
Elizabeth Howlett,4.
All born in County (Remember ages are rounded down sometimes in 1841)
Best Wishes Welsh Lady
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Heres a possible in 1841 Burnt Fen ,Lakenheath,Mildenhall Suffolk.
H0107 EN District 8 Page 8 Line 7.
John Howlett,50,Ag Lab.
Elizabeth Howlett,40.
James Howlett,15.
Robert Howlett,10.
Ellen Howlett,10.
Honora?Howlett,8.
Thomas Howlett,6.
Elizabeth Howlett,4.
All born in County (Remember ages are rounded down sometimes in 1841)
Best Wishes Welsh Lady
Actually that's perfect as the family that Elizabeth Howlett (the grand-daughter of the head of the above family) married into was the Gilbert family and they owned/own a farm at Burnt Fen, Littleport. No wonder then that Thomas' widow Caroline (now Coe) turns up living next to her daughter.
thank you very much for that!
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From the Suffolk Burials Index:
John HOWLETT
age 76
bur 28 Feb 1861 in Mildenhall
Elizabeth HOWLETT
age 76
bur 28 Jan 1871 in Mildenhall
Notes: "Poplar Farm, Littleport Road"
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Thanks dave, that is great news!
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Hi Andrew
You don't seem to have the "complete" family from 1851, so just in case ...
1851 Mildenhall, Suffolk
HO107/1793 folio 150 pp25-26
Address: "Burnt Fen"
(several households)
John Howlett, head, 65, ag lab, Ashfield Norfolk
Eliz do., wife, 56, Suffon Norfolk
Thos do., son, 16, Windham(?) Norfolk
Eliz do., daur, 14, Neathersom(?) Suffolk
Jas Woods, son in law, 30, ag lab, Windham(?) Norfolk
H(?) do., <daur?>, 24, Prickwillow Camb
Jas do., grandson, 5, Prickwillow Camb
C(something) do., grandson, 4, Mildenhall Suffolk
May (or Mary) do., granddaughter, 6m, Mildenhall Suffolk
I'm not sure of the birthplaces of Thomas, Elizabeth (daughter) or James (son-in-law)
It definitely looks more like Windham than Mendham. (The "i" is clearly dotted and there other Ms on the page.) But I assume you have Thomas's birthplace from other sources. "Neathersom" actually looks like "Neatherwin" but I can't find either place!
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Dave, once again thanks for this.
Thomas Howlett (the son of John Howlett) married Caroline Clark and her father was noted as "Alfred Woods, deceased" on their marriage certificate in 1855. This was a bit of a surprise as i was expecting a Mr Clark noted as Caroline's father.
So it's interesting to see the Woods family noted here.... but a generation too early... so that's even more puzzling as the Woods family should have been Thomas Howlett's father-in-law's family... yet here they are being son-in-law to Thomas' father.
As for Windham, that's okay.. because that could easily be Wymondham (pronounced Windham) in Norfolk.
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Hi
son in law sometimes meant step son in those days
regards
yokel
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Hi
son in law sometimes meant step son in those days
regards
yokel
Indeed it did but that makes just as little sense as Son-in-Law.
Thomas Howlett didnt marry Caroline Clark (the noted daughter of Alfred Woods) until 1855. Therefore the appearance of related Woods, as related to Thomas is somewhat of a confusing surprise! :)
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Hi Andrew
I saw your post and don't know if this will help you or not, but here goes,
I have the name Howlettt in my tree.
Mary Ann Howlett married John Cocksedge in Rougham.
Mary Ann was born in 1769 and died in 1817.
John Cocksedge was my 4xg grandfather.
I don't have a marriage date but i have there first child's baptism as abt 9 sept 1798 ( Zachariah ) .
I also have an Ellen Elizabeth Howlett born in the sept 1/4 of 1883 in Woolpit Suffolk who married a John Rice 1904 in Woolpit.
John Rice was my 2xg uncle.
Hope this might be of help to you.
William James
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hi william
thanks for the info, i cant yet see where that would fit in but i'll keep in mind :)
i know that there were HOWLETTs in the Woolpit and Framlingham areas of Suffolk but at the moment i think that Mildenhall is my link to finding the rest.
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I had been keeping out of this discussion as it centred on the Lackford Hundred.
But ... if you are ever looking for Howlett's in Framlingham, that's where I can help, just a little bit ;D
SM ...
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I had been keeping out of this discussion as it centred on the Lackford Hundred.
But ... if you are ever looking for Howlett's in Framlingham, that's where I can help, just a little bit ;D
SM ...
well, i think, SM, for now, i have no sure leads with Framlingham.. but maybe i'll see what i can find in the WOODS tree (im sure there's a pun there somewhere) to see what's lurking there as it suggests in the 1851 census that they are connected.
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I've managed to stumble along a little further with this branch after looking at the Littleport 1861 Census.
On it, was
Robert Cole, 23, Ag Lab, b.Ely
Caroline Cole, 25, wife, b. Suffolk Backthen?
Elizabeth Howlett, 5, stepdaughter, b. Littleport.
Now these three appeared as expected, except that the Cole name is really COE. Robert COE was Caroline's second husband after Thomas Howlett died only a short while after their marriage in 1855 at Mildenhall.
There was no sign of the WOODS family or any other HOWLETTs apart from a widowed servant, Lydia Howlett, a 40yr old housekeeper born in New Buckenham, Norfolk.
Still not really any further forward, i decided to do a worthwhile search again using Google (if you've never searched Google by putting an ancestor's name in, it is worthwhile!) and this gave me the site belonging to Albert Browne http://albert.browne.me.uk and this led me to an Elizabeth Howlett born in 1835, daughter of John Howlett. Elizabeth's place of birth is noted as Wymondham, Norfolk... which matched the information given to me by the 1851 census of Mildenhall.
I scrolled a bit further down, noting that Elizabeth ("Betsy") married George Gipp at Ely Holy Trinity in 1854 and that they had 13 known children in Mildenhall. At the foot of the page was the evidence i wanted - the witnesses to Elizabeth and George's marriage...
Thomas (x) Howlett and Caroline (x) Clark.
This therefore accounts for the disappearance of Thomas' sister Elizabeth Howlett as she became Elizabeth Gipp. I am still yet to account for their parents and also for Caroline Clark's family.
Perhaps looking at the Mildenhall census for 1861 will provide me with the information i need as the COE family noted above were living at Mildenhall Road, Littleport, which must be on the borders of the county.
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I've just run a search on FreeBMD and found the following entries as potential deaths of Thomas Howlett.
* Downham 4b/233 - Sept 1855
* Ely 3b/330 - Jun 1858
* Downham 4b/286 - Mar 1860
Fortunately, the excellent CAMDEX (http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/community/bmd/Camdex/) reveals that Thomas' widow, Caroline, remarried to Robert Coe in 1859.
This then means that IF Thomas Howlett died in Cambridgeshire then it would have been either 1855 or 1858, as Thomas only married Caroline in 1855 and she remarries just a sliver under 4 years later. Thomas would have been in his 20s, so i am keen to find the right death date and obtain the certificate to find out why.
FreeBMD only lists one Thomas Howlett for Suffolk during the date range and he died miles away in Blything district, in North East Suffolk, so i'm discounting him.
FYI
The following discussion thread with potential crossover can be found at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,90516.0.html
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Although not really connected to mine, ive just found a few Norfolk and Suffolk HOWLETTs in Islington in 1851.
They are listed as 'strays' on the following webpage
http://freespace.virgin.net/annemarie.shuttle/1851norfolk.htm
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Hi Andrew, my name is Judy brodie from Aussie, think I have hd the connection before...found out a little more on the Elizabeth Gipp (nee Howlett) side if you would like it. Can you email me on Cheers Judy
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Hi Andrew
You don't seem to have the "complete" family from 1851, so just in case ...
1851 Mildenhall, Suffolk
HO107/1793 folio 150 pp25-26
Address: "Burnt Fen"
(several households)
John Howlett, head, 65, ag lab, Ashfield Norfolk
Eliz do., wife, 56, Suffon Norfolk
Thos do., son, 16, Windham(?) Norfolk
Eliz do., daur, 14, Neathersom(?) Suffolk
Jas Woods, son in law, 30, ag lab, Windham(?) Norfolk
H(?) do., <daur?>, 24, Prickwillow Camb
Jas do., grandson, 5, Prickwillow Camb
C(something) do., grandson, 4, Mildenhall Suffolk
May (or Mary) do., granddaughter, 6m, Mildenhall Suffolk
I'm not sure of the birthplaces of Thomas, Elizabeth (daughter) or James (son-in-law)
It definitely looks more like Windham than Mendham. (The "i" is clearly dotted and there other Ms on the page.) But I assume you have Thomas's birthplace from other sources. "Neathersom" actually looks like "Neatherwin" but I can't find either place!
Hi Andrew
" I can add some clarification to the above census.
Jas = James Woods. he was born about 1821 at Mendlesham, Suffolk ( The enumerator was obviously illiterate and he made a complete hash of the birth places as a look at this family in 1861 will show. They were by then resident in Hilgay, Norfolk RG 9 1260 )
H = Hannah nee Howlett She was born about 1825 in Wymondham and married James Woods in 1844 at Holy Trinity Church, Ely. One their marriage certificate both were resident in Prickwillow which is where their eldest son, James was born in 1846.
C = Charles
and the 4 month old daughter is Mary.
How do I know all this? Well James Woods born in Prickwillow in 1846 was my mother's paternal grandfather and thus was my great grandfather."
regards Deborah Woods
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Wymondham is of course pronounced in the way that the enumerator wrote it - we say Wind'am.
SM ...
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Thanks to everyone for their help on this one. It's been a while and i've made a little help with Deborah, Judy and Jo's help...
It seems that the Howlett family were from Wymondham and that the parents in the 1841 census were John Howlett and Elizabeth Gooding (née Poll).
The mystery remaining is who was Caroline Clark (my Gt Gt Gt Grandmother). After her 1855 marriage in Mildenhall to Thomas Howlett, I'm fine.. but prior to this, it's all a blur. Her marriage shows that her 'father' is "Alfred Woods (deceased)".
A step-father? No idea - there doesn't seem to be a suitable Alfred and Caroline on the 1841 census anywhere in the country.
Illegitimate? Maybe - but i'm struggling to find out to whom and where she was born.
An Emma Clark married Caroline's Howlett brother-in-law. Perhaps they were sisters? ... if so, then the family were living in a barn (yes, really!) in Isleham in 1841... but Caroline is missing.
bah... where's my wrecking ball?
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Hi, Andrew,
I note you are looking for HOWLETT's in Suffolk. My Grandmother was Caroline Priscilla HOWLETT (1868-1940) Fressingfield, Suffolk. Father: William Henry HOWLETT (1831-1903). He had sisters Caroline HOWLETT (b.1829 Fressingfield), Priscilla(b.1835), Elizabeth (b.1837) Ellen (b.1841) and Mary Ann(b1844) plus brothers Charles (b.1833) and Arthur (b.1839).
William Henry's father was Robert HOWLETT (b. 1796 Fressingfield) who had married Priscilla ETHERIDGE (b.1807 Wingfield, Suffolk), a member of the ETHERIDGE family who originated in the Low Countries as EDRICHE and came over to England in the 1500's as wealthy merchants escaping the ravages of the roaming bands of unemployed soldiery roaming the country.
Judging by the similarity of names in our two branches of the HOWLETT family I would suggest that they are possibly the same family - it just needs a little search to find the relevant person(s) and dates.
Hope this will be of interest - and possibly a help.
Regards,
Brian
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Hi,
Does anyone have information about an Elizabeth HOWLETT who married a William BRIGGS in Dunwich Suffolk? Elizabeth was born around 1765.
Thanks,
Pat
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Robert Howlett & Ann Self were married by licence at All Saints, Mendham, Suffolk on the 26th December 1800.
Robert was recorded as "of Pulham St Mary" in the marriage register.