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Title: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 26 September 06 10:40 BST (UK)
Trying to find the bap of Arthur Biggs 1904 Wirral, would like to find his parents please.
also the marraige of Arthur to ellen DOBY, belived to be in Bebbington  Cheshire. 1922 to 1930c. although Ellen was from Glasgow, Scotland, she married in cheshire. I have nothing on the DOBY family as being from Glasgow i find that difficult!
The Children of the above Arthur and Ellen were all born Bebbington cheshire, they would be a help to know also.

Many thanks
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: JDGen on Tuesday 26 September 06 17:47 BST (UK)
Hi Sam-Ann,

I think that your best bet would be to obtain Arthur's birth certificate.  From www.freebmd.org.uk:

Arthur BIGGS, Mar 1904 Wirral 8a 430

With this information you can order the certificate online from the GRO for £7.

For the marriage you could use the free BMD indexes at www.ancestry.co.uk - you will need to search 4 quarters for each year - when you find a likely marriage you then need to check for the spouse's surname and make sure that the references match, then you can order a certificate as above.

The marriage certificate should give Ellen's age, then you can post on the Scotland Forum for help to find her birth record.

Jean
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 26 September 06 23:05 BST (UK)
Thank you Jean, this has helped me a great deal. i'll send for the certificate today.

Many thanks,
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Monday 09 October 06 13:35 BST (UK)
Arthur's parents are:
James Alfred biggs b. 1868 Bebington Cheshire and his mother was Harriet hughes b. 1869 Bebington cheshire. Would it be possible to try and find James Alfreds parents, who we think is a William henry Biggs also of the above places.
St Andrews is the parsih church for Bebington and would love to try and find the siblings of Arthur and his wife Ellen biggs, from what i can find out they were all born in Bebington Cheshire, St Andrews Parish. Although i don't have a marriage cert for Arthur and Ellen, which i think took place at Toxtith Liverpool, their children were all born in Bebington.

hope someone can help and that this is not confusing!
Many thanks
Sam-ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 13:46 BST (UK)
ok who is arthur and ellen?? are you not looking for james alfred?
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 13:52 BST (UK)
here is james alfred biggs with his parents in 1881-
living in lower bebington cheshire
william.h biggs 38yrs labourer born chester
hannah 38yrs wife born bebington
william.h 17yrs son born bebington
joseph 15yrs son born bebington
james.a 12yrs son born bebington
ann 10yrs daughter born bebington
mary.j 8yrs daughter born bebington
edward.a 6yrs son born bebington
alice 4yrs daughter born bebington
arthur 2yrs son born bebington
margaret 14months daughter born bebington
SOURCE INFO-3570
FOLIO-94
PAGE-2
REGARDS
ALLI
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Monday 09 October 06 13:57 BST (UK)
hi Alli,
THANK YOU SO MUCH !
Now i have a start AND James Alfreds parents.

Thank you sooooooo much.
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 13:59 BST (UK)
only the last 3 of william henry biggs and hannahs children are showing on the bivri .
all baptised bebington
margaret biggs bapt 18th feb 1881
elizabeth biggs bapt 25th june 1882
jessie biggs bapt 8th july 1884
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 14:01 BST (UK)
also found this-
james alfred biggs married harriet hughes 28th june 1891 tranmere cheshire.both aged 23yrs,brides father john hughes and grooms father william henry biggs.
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Monday 09 October 06 14:12 BST (UK)
Wow Alli,
you work faster than i can copy these down.

Maybe if we can got bac on the census from 1881 for William henry's family we may get some other info...

Thanks Alli.

Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 14:15 BST (UK)
have found this marriage also-
alice biggs married alfred richley 2nd oct 1899 new ferry cheshire.brides father william henry biggs and grooms father edward richley.brides age 23yrs and grooms age 25yrs.
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 14:18 BST (UK)
2 more sibling marriages for you-
elizabeth biggs married george bell 26th dec 1900 new ferry cheshire.brides father william henry biggs and grooms father william bell.brides age  21yrs and grooms age 24yrs.
margaret biggs married john guthrie 9th jan 1900 new ferry cheshire.brides father william henry biggs and grooms father john guthrie.brides age 21yrs and grooms age 24yrs
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 14:22 BST (UK)
here is your family in 1891-
living in PRIMROSE HILL,NEW FERRY,
lower bebington cheshire-
willaim.h biggs 49yrs candel maker
anna 49yrs
james 23yrs son labourer
albert 16yrs son labourer
alice 14yrs daughter
arthur 12yrs son
margaret 10yrs daughter
elizabeth 9yrs daughter
jessie 6yrs daughter
SOURCE INFO-RG12-2874
FOLIO-110
PAGE-72
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Monday 09 October 06 14:26 BST (UK)
Alli your wonderful!
This is ever so good.
thank you so much,
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 14:47 BST (UK)
wonder if this could be william henry biggs in 1861??
living in bromborough cheshire
joseph matthews 40yrs candle works labourer
isabella 42yrs wife
elizabeth 15yrs daughter
thomas 11yrs son
arabella 3yrs daughter
mary.a 1yr daughter
william henry biggs 15yrs boarder candle works labourer born liverpool lancashire.(maybe this is why i cant find the family in 1871??)
ralph briscoe 17yrs boarder candle works labourer
SOURCE INFO-RG9-2636
FOLIO-92
PAGE-22
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 14:48 BST (UK)
the 1891 also has william henrys place of birth as liverpool ancashire so iam guessing the 61 is your guy before his marriage.
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Monday 09 October 06 14:58 BST (UK)
Alli,
This sounds like my W H biggs doesn't it? and it gives his occ as a candle maker labourer and on the 1891 cen W H Biggs is a Candle maker.. umm I think you are right it does look like him Alli.
So now i don't suppose we could find his parents then, if he is with boarders on this census, agh.. shame.
Alli, his wife Hannah, who i think could be Hannah Archer, according to the census was born bebington cheshire 1843 wonder if we could find her with her parents before she married William Henry, which must have been around 1800-1869 at Bebington cheshire

Thank you
SAm-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 14:59 BST (UK)
william henry dead by 1901-
living in lower bebington
cheshire
hannah biggs 58yrs widow retired launderess
arthur 22yrs unmarried son packer at candle works
jessie 16yrs daughter
william moore 18yrs boarder joiner apprentice
SOURCE INFO-RG13-3383
FOLIO-90
PGE-46
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 15:06 BST (UK)
i see a hannah archer corect age and place of birth on the 1861 but she isnt with fmily.i cannot see her on the 51 neither can i fond william henry biggs as yet  :-[
frustrating ;D
havent given up yet.
here is hannah archer in 1861-
living in lower bebington
hannah archer 18yrs unmarried house servant born bebington in the household of robert woodcock and family
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 15:10 BST (UK)
 ;D this could be them in 1851-
living in bebington
primrose hill
james archer 40yrs dairy labourer
ann 39yrs wife charwoman
nancy 7yrs daughter
anna 9yrs daughter
james 4yrs son
SOURCE INFO-H0107-2173
FOLIO-?
PAGE-12
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 15:16 BST (UK)
william henry biggs died aged 54yrs dec 1897 wirral district vol 8a page -289
maybe his death certificate might have wifes maiden name on?? if she was the informant
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 15:18 BST (UK)
this looks like hannahs death-
hannah biggs aged 59yrs june qtr of 1901 wirral district vol 8a page - 294.this should have her maiden name on it and also details of maybe one of the children or whoever registered it
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Monday 09 October 06 15:24 BST (UK)
Thank you again Alli, i will send for both these certs. thank you.

Alli we can't get back past 1871 cen for William henry Biggs can we? He was a boarder on that census so maybe we won't find his parents then.

Boy, this is wonderful. Can't wait for that click to say i have email...

Sam-Ann.
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 15:28 BST (UK)
hmmmmmmm i have found this-
william henry biggs birth registered june qtr of 1842 liverpool district vol 20 page 448.
this could be him.i will keep trying the 51 cencus
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Monday 09 October 06 15:34 BST (UK)
ummmm.. the year is correct and the place is correct, fingers crossed this is him.  Hopefully the 51 cen brings something up to verify this and another cert to buy, wonderful...

Thanks Alli.
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 15:39 BST (UK)
 :o i think i might have found him
but it doesnt help with family as he and what looks like brother joseph are the only biggs in the household
mary ann bark  45yrs widow dressmaker
ann newman 40yrs widow charwoman
margaret 12yrs daughter
john james 7yrs son
mary 5yrs daughter
ann 5yrs daughter
william 1yr son
mary roberts 29yrs servant
willaim biggs 8yrs visitor born liverpool
joseph biggs 7yrs visitor born liverpool
SOURCE INFO-H0107-2178
FOLIO-191
PAGE-40
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Monday 09 October 06 15:47 BST (UK)
 ;) you never say never do you?
Alli, this looks like my William Henry and his sibling joseph, ooohh...
I notice the place is Bebington which doesn't surprise me at all because as far as this old rellie can rmember back, they have always belonged there. Now then, i wonder if my W H and brother joseph were the playmates of the lad that lived at that address, aged the same age as W. H biggs?  Just a thought if so, you'd think W H boggs family wouldn't be far away would you? Or is that my wishful thinking...

Alli, you haven't came across any marriage for Willian Henry and Hannah archer have you? Would have been about 18 60-1869 and in Bebington.

Just tell me when your sick of me please and i'll go away,hahahahahaa.

Thanks so much Alli
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Monday 09 October 06 16:17 BST (UK)
Alli, Can we please do a 1901 census check for James  Alfred Biggs  b. 1868 Bebington Cheshire (son of William henry Biggs and Hannah Archer) and his wife Harriet Hughes please.
James Alfred Biggs married 1891  Trnamere and i was wondering if we could get the 1901 cen for him and Harriet.
also i found a death fro a Harriet Biggs for 1894 at tranmere aged just 28yrs, i think this is my harriet. So the 1901 cen would prove if James Alfred is a widow or if he has remarried.

Thanks Alli.
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 16:24 BST (UK)
living in lower bebington in 1901-
james.a biggs 32yrs labourer
harriet 32yrs wife
james.a 4yrs son
harriet 1yr daughter
son james.a was born in birkinhead everyone else listed as bebington
SOURCE INFO-RG13-3313
FOLIO-23
PAGE-37
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Monday 09 October 06 16:33 BST (UK)
Excellent- well that explains that then. I guess my theory of Harriet being dead is out the window! Thank God for people like you!

thanks again Alli, its been a pleasure to work wiht you. would it be alright to come back if i need you later today?

thanks
SAm-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Monday 09 October 06 16:36 BST (UK)
feel free  ;D
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: celia on Monday 09 October 06 18:17 BST (UK)
Hi SamAnn
I cant remember if i sent you this or not,maybe not it's not here. Anyway when i was looking through the G.R.O reference book of Deaths in Bebbington 1892-1903(Saves time trawling through the births & Deaths when you dont know when they died ;) I found these deaths, i didnt take the P.V. i see you now have William Henry age 54 1897. there is also a
 Hanna Biggs age 59     1901
 Joseph Biggs         0     1879
William Henry         2     1898

Celia

Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Monday 09 October 06 18:21 BST (UK)
Hi Celia,
I din't have this, how very kind of you to bother sending me this. thank you so much. Every little helps

Many thanks,
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 07:56 BST (UK)
i have these baptisms for children of james.alfred biggs and harriet all at bebington-
william henry born 11th dec 1895 bapt 9th feb 1896
grace bapt 4th may 1902
arthur bapt 21st feb 1904
elizabeth bella bapt 27th aug 1905
hope these help?
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 09:01 BST (UK)
 ;D Alli, EXCELLENT.

Really, this is amazing... Now then these certainly help because the Arthur bap 1904 is MY Arthur who marrried Ellen Dobbie at toxteth Liverpool. OOh Alli, now Arthur was born 1904 he must have married about 1922-1930ish.... liverpool, toxteth Park Liverpool i think..

Alli can i work with you today with help for the Dobbies along with the Biggs, mind you these Dobbies are  >:( difficult!

Can't thank you enough
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 10:34 BST (UK)
of course you can.fire away i love a challenge  ;D
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 10:36 BST (UK)
there is a birth registered for an ellen dobbie toxteth district june 1904 vol 8b page 218
could this be your ellen?
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 10:43 BST (UK)
YES Alli thats her[/ ;Dcolor]
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 10:46 BST (UK)
Alli,
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 10:52 BST (UK)
had some spare units on 1837 so looked for your marriage.
found them  ;D
ellen dobbie married arthur  biggs march 1925 wirral district vol 8a page 666
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 10:58 BST (UK)
do you know who ellens parents were? maybe i can look on the 1901 see if i can find them?
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 11:01 BST (UK)
 :o :o :o :o

Oooooh Alli, Alli, this is  WONDERFUL, oh dear this is amazing!
Can i pay you for the credits.

Oh Alli now i can find Arthur and Ellens children, they were all brought up in Bebington. I know one was called Christine, there was a Robert All Bedington.
Oh Alli thank you so very much, thank you

A very happy
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 11:03 BST (UK)
 ;D its my pleasure.are we feeling lucky?
lets see how many i can find before my credits run out  ;D
then it will be a day well spent
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 11:07 BST (UK)
Alli, i'm feeling luckky! ;D ;D

If we can touch on these Dobbies we are more than lucky believe me dear! they are hard people to find....
Can i send you the money for the credits, you have been a tremendous help to me

Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 11:10 BST (UK)
thomas a biggs mothers maiden name dobbie wirral district vol 8a page 619 dec 1926
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 11:13 BST (UK)
leonard.a biggs mothers maiden name dobbie wirral district march 1929 vol 8a page 604
we're on a roll now
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 11:18 BST (UK)
WE're rolling, we're rolling...

Come on christine you have to be there.....


Alli its brilliant ;D

Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 11:30 BST (UK)
I think Christine is being a bit naughty hiding away from you..

This is like paradise Alli.

Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 11:43 BST (UK)
Yes Alli,
ellen's parents were John Dobbie b. abt 1857 Scotland and his wife we think ..... was Elizabeth Gibbons born Wales.
We know nothing more of John dobbie.

Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 11:45 BST (UK)
ok had to go backwards lol
looks like christine was concieved before marriage lol
christina.j biggs mothers maiden name dobbie
wirral vol 8a page 667 sept 1925
have gone up to 1937 no other children showing
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 11:49 BST (UK)
Alli,
This is brilliant, how can you ever know how much this info means... Brilliant Alli.
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 11:50 BST (UK)
here is your couple in 1901-
toxteth park
john dobbie 44yrs sheet metal worker born scotland
elizabeth 42yrs wife born liverpool
jane 6yrs daughter
judith ellis 20yrs married daughter born liverpool
elizabeth dobie 14yrs daughter born liverpool
william 9yrs son born liverpool
SOURCE INFO-RG13-3429
FOLIO-101
PAGE-5
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 11:51 BST (UK)
 ;D trust me i know took me years of not being able to find some of mine and still havent but one day i will
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 12:03 BST (UK)
Well Alli u r a brilliant person u are really because this is them!
I know from what that old lady said, john Dobbie was b. Scotland, his wife was b. Wales but that it was never talked abt her coming from Wales they always told people Liverpool!
This old lady thinks she can remember the surname of gibbons or Gutton from Wales!
Ellen Dobbie had sister's Jane, elizabeth and she thinks Primrose! Brothers William, Bob( Robert) Jack (John).
So this seems like our family

Ooooh Alli u star.
Sam-Ann

Oh Alli, that brother Bob ( Robert Dobbie) of Ellens, he married in Liverpool and never divorced and went to Australia, she thinks Yarrowville Melbourne and married and lived there!

Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 12:12 BST (UK)
lol the cheek of some ancestors  ;D
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 12:15 BST (UK)
cant seem to find them in 1891 or 1881 yet although i found a birth reg for judith
judith dobbie dec 1880 west derby district 8b page 184
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 12:20 BST (UK)
john dobbie married elizabeth gibbons march 1878 liverpool district vol 8b page 249
there is your gibbons connection  ;D
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 12:23 BST (UK)
Alli, how easy r u making these Dobbies seems? Well the old lady was right abt the Gibbons connection then, this is brilliant. YOU are brilliant.

Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 12:32 BST (UK)
wonder if this could be john dobbie with parents in 1871 liverpool?
living in liverpool
john dobbie 35yrs tinsmith born scotland
jane 33yrs wife born scotland
john 13yrs son tinsmith born scotland
ellen 22yrs daughter born scotland
margaret 8yrs daughter born scotland
robert 6yrs son born scotland
annie 1yr daughter born liverpool
SOURCE INFO-RG10-3775
FOLIO-53
PAGE-43
so looks like we can narrow down when they came to liverppol to between 1865 and 1870
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 12:36 BST (UK)
here is the same family in 1881-
toxteth park
74 star street
john dobbie 44yrs tinsmith born scotland
jane 42yrs wife born scotland
robert 17yrs son born scotland
william 9yrs son born liverpool
isac 3yrs son born liverpool
andrew/andre 10 months son born liverpool
SOURCE INFO-RG12-3638
FOLIO-115
PAGE-5
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 12:40 BST (UK)
living in st thomas,liverpool in 1891-
john dobbie 52yrs tinsmith born scotland
jane 52yrs wife now says born liverpool
william 19yrs son shop porter born liverpool
isaac 13yrs son born liverpool
andrew 11yrs son born liverpool
robert lyons 22yrs son in law shop porter born liverpool
annie lyons 24yrs daughter born liverpool
jane lyons 6 months grandaughter
SOURCE INFO-RG12-2911
FOLIO-54
PAGE-33
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 12:43 BST (UK)
still in st thomas liverpool in 1901-
john dobbie 60yrs tinman born glasgow scotland
jane 58yrs wife born glasgow scotland
jane lyons 10yrs grandaughter born liverpool
SOURCE INFO-RG13-3415
FOLIO-22
PAGE-35
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 12:46 BST (UK)
ann dobbie married robert lyon sept 1890 liverpool district vol 8b page 244
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 12:49 BST (UK)
Alli THATS THEM! It has to be because that must be the uncle Andrew that this old lady talks about then, at Liverpool.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Brilliant
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 12:56 BST (UK)
This IS them because that old woman talks about Glasgow, just the name Glasgow and how they got all the way to Liverpool!

Oh Alli this is brilliant.
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 13:08 BST (UK)
Alli, r we able to look for a marriage from the Glasgow area?
Because we know John Dobbie married Jan? and they were both from Glasgow. Jane was b. 1839 and john 1836 so the marriage must have been about 1850s...
what do u think Alli?

sam-ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 13:09 BST (UK)
how frustrating cannot find john and elizabeth dobbie with daughter judith on the 1881 or the 1991 they must be there somewhere  :-\
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 13:12 BST (UK)
unfortunately i dont have access to scottish marriages but iam sure if you post a request on the scottish board someone might be able to help.
so to put all the info together you are looking for a marriage of john dobbie and jane ? sometime before 1857 as that is when john jnr was born .judging by john snrs age we could be looking at between 1853 and 1857.
hope this helps some?
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 13:20 BST (UK)
boy Alli you never give up do you?

u amaze me, knowing u you will find them

sam-ann

Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 13:24 BST (UK)
All i'll do that. u r briiliant

do u think we could go any further with elizabeth gibbons b, 1859 Wales?

sam-ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 14:10 BST (UK)
Alli,
On the 1871 cen for john / Jane Dobbie it states their daug as Ellen aged 22yrs! Would that be correct when John and Jane are both in their 30s.. or is it me reading this the wrong way!

Sorry to be a pest..
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: Daisypetal on Tuesday 10 October 06 14:32 BST (UK)
Hi,

From the message I left on your request here...

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,188611.msg924403.html#msg924403

...could this be the family in 1881, the daughter is transcribed as Nulte  ::), I'm not sure what it really says,

RG11/3638  f.115  p.6  Toxteth Park
68 Star St

John DOBBIE  Head   23  Tin Smith             Scotland
Elizth            Wife   20   "  "    "  "  wife      Liverpool
John              Son    2                                "  "
Lutle ???         Daur   8mo                            "  "


and in 1891 transcribed (and looks like) as POBBNE (Judith as Ludek ::))

RG9/2930 f.66  p.9&10  Toxteth Park
7 in 65 Court, Upper Manor St

John POBBNS?    Head   32  Tin Smith  Scotland
Elizabeth           Wife    25                  Liverpool
John                 Son    12   Scholar       "  "
Judith               Daur     9       "  "          "  "
Jane                 Daur     8       "  "           "  "
Elizabeth            Daur    3                      "  "
William               Son     9months             "  "


Hopefully Alli or someone else can take a look and see what they think.

Regards
Daisy
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 14:36 BST (UK)
nice one daisy ill look now  :)
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 14:38 BST (UK)
is that the corrct source info for 1891??
RG9 is usually 1861 1891 is RG12
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 14:43 BST (UK)
i agree with 1881 and as it is star street i would say that this family is definately yours.
now lets look at 1891  ;D
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 14:48 BST (UK)
although the 1891 cencus does not state dobbie and doesnt evan look much like dobbie looking at the family i would still say that it is the correct family.if we can confirm with a birth for a john dobbie c 1878 and the same with the others i would say we were on to a winner
regards
alli
p.s well sone daisy  ;D
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 14:52 BST (UK)
I agree to, they are the family, but wonder what Nulte means?...

Alli would you check that 1871 cen for me please? For John and JANE Dobbie i'm wondering if i got it right as it says thier daug Ellen is 22 and her parents john and Jane are 33 and 35!

Thanks Alli
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: Daisypetal on Tuesday 10 October 06 15:09 BST (UK)

Whoops! sorry Alli, of course it should have been RG12.

I don't think it says Nulte on the image of the 1881 census, it's just transcribed as that, to me it looks like Lutle or Litle, maybe the enumerator couldn't read the original or maybe Judith was nicknamed Little  :-\ ;D

Daisy

Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 15:53 BST (UK)
Alli or Daisy
Could you please do me a 1871 cen look up for Flintshire Wales for an elizabeth GIBBONS she was b 1859.

Thank you

Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: celia on Tuesday 10 October 06 15:56 BST (UK)
John Dobbie Married Jane McIndoe 18th August 1854 in Barony Lanarkshire. (same place my ancesters married)

From the I.G.I.

Cheers
Celia
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 16:00 BST (UK)
Cheers Celia..
how lucky was that? the same place ...wow.

i don't understand the IGI is it available online?

sorry to be ignorant!

Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 16:51 BST (UK)
yes it is available at ancestry.will check the 71 after tea i just noticed that 22yrs? hmmmmm maybe i had a blonde moment will re check and let you know  ;D
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: Daisypetal on Tuesday 10 October 06 16:54 BST (UK)

You can search the IGI (International Genealogical Index) online here,

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp


There are other threads about the IGI here, amongst others,

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,4684.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,125709.msg557565.html


I'm a bit lost  :) why are we looking for Elizabeth GIBBONS b.1859 in Wales? All the censuses we have so far show her POB as Liverpool  ???

Daisy
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 16:59 BST (UK)
Daisy, according to this old lady i got this info from, she remembers Elizabeth being born in Wales, well been talked about being born in Wales! It was said she never talked used Wales as her birth place always used Liverpool.
I have checked with Freebmd for her birth in Liverpool and nothing but... there was one Elizabeth Gibbons born 1859 Flintshire Wales... could this be her?

According to this old dear this elizabeth she thinks was adopted but when and where this falls into place i don't know

thanks Daisy
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: celia on Tuesday 10 October 06 17:07 BST (UK)
You beat me to it Daisy ;D

Sam Ann the I.G.I is easy to use you will be able to look for your Scots ancestors on there. If you want Census lookups for Wales/Scotland you need to put a request on the relevant board. not the Cheshire one. They are more likely to have access to the census you require.

Celia
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 17:20 BST (UK)
Celia, i'm sorry. I'm not much good at this unlike Alli and you who are wonderful...
I will indeed give the IGI a look over and post the Gibbons on the Welsh board.

thank you again
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 18:51 BST (UK)
with reference to ellen dobbies age in 1871 i have rechecked the image and the age is 11yrs not 22 .i can only apologise and say it must have been a blonde moment..... ;D
oh wait  :o iam not blonde  ;D
then it must be my age having kids faddles your brain  :P
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 10 October 06 18:57 BST (UK)
also have been looking at the 1891 again.
jane who is listed as 8yrs in 1891 has a match for this birth- jane dobbie sept qtr 1882 toxteth park
but i do not see an obvious match for 3yr old elizabeth or baby william.
regards
alli
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Tuesday 10 October 06 20:03 BST (UK)
well Alli, if Kids faddle your brain then this faddles mines,haahahaha
Don't you apologise your brilliant, where would i be today without your help?

Thank AGAIN for the info.

Cheers Alli ;)
Sam-ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: celia on Tuesday 10 October 06 23:22 BST (UK)
Sam.Ann
I have found Jane's Christening in Lanark,but will P.M it. My G.Grandmothers name was Jane as well ;D

Celia
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: Daisypetal on Wednesday 11 October 06 10:28 BST (UK)
How about these births for children Elizabeth and William,

Elizbeth DOBIE  Dec Q  1887  Toxteth Park  v.8b  p.207

William Henry DOBBIE  Jun Q  1890  Toxteth Park  v.8b  p.226


I see you've foud an Elizabeth GIBBONS in Flintshire here,

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,188872.msg926146.html#msg926146

but I wonder, if she was adopted her birth may not have been registered as GIBBONS, there is this Elizabeth in Liverpool 1871,

1871  RG10/3796  f.150  p.22  Liverpool
3 Court House No1, Combermere? St

William GIBBONS   44  Carter
Judith                50
William               16  Labourer
Thomas              14      "  "
Elizabeth              9                    All born Lancashire


I only really mention this one because of the mother's name Judith, it really is just a long shot. If you get the marriage cert. for John & Elizabeth hopefully it will give more clues  :)

Daisy
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Wednesday 11 October 06 11:35 BST (UK)
EEH DAISY, THIS REMINDS ME OF WORKING WITH MY SISTER... iTS SO MUCH EASEIER WITH SOMEONE TO TALK TO!
Well i'm only going off what my sister-in-law told me that i'm doing this for, but when i looked i couldn;t find Elizabeth G in Liverpool! well told u i am rubbish at this...ahahaha. What you have just sent me looks more than pleasing becaue the Dobbie family were in that same area! So that would make more sence.

Daisy we have a lot in commom with these names don't we. hahahaha

Loads of thanks
Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Wednesday 11 October 06 11:42 BST (UK)
Daisy, thats the Elizabeth i found to in flintshire, which made me think she was born there you see.
the court house area of Liverpoool is where  the Dobbies where at on some records so the plot is thickening. I will tell Christine and she will get the cert and then we can go further back.

The Elizabeth and william Dobbie info-BRILLAINT ! just poor genius..


Cheers
Daisy
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: sam-ann on Wednesday 11 October 06 11:50 BST (UK)
Daisy just ME again!
I've sat and looked at this info you sent, by gum your right i think.Yes, the Judtih is a good connection with Elizabeths daug of the same name also William her father is the same as her son's name..
I think your right AND i think my sister-in-law maybe on about another g grandmother possibly the ANN who married John Hughes, as John was born flintshire Wales and i don't have a marriage as yet for him and Ann. I think it could be these that the Welsh bit ites in with as for the adoption.... we'll see


Thanks Daisy  THANK YOU

Sam-Ann
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: Daisypetal on Wednesday 11 October 06 12:47 BST (UK)

Let us know when you get the marriage cert. it will be interesting to see if it helps show the 1871 family is the right one or not. This may not be her at all, or she could have been adopted by William & Judith GIBBONS  :-\ :)

What tangled webs they weaved  ;D

Daisy
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: Louenna Biggs on Saturday 16 September 17 04:02 BST (UK)
I too am researching my Biggs family......William Henry Biggs is my husbands great grandfather. His wife Hannah Archer. I have sources for them. William Henrys father and mother as on his birth registration are William Biggs and Ann Jones. I am stonewalled at this point. There are some family trees out there with info but seem to have 2 families joined together and no sources. Villages mentioned in records are Bebington, Chester, Wirral, (Lancashire)to Buckinghamshire to Old Dustin (in later years). Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :) thank you, L. Biggs
Title: Re: BIGGS family- Bebbington
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 16 September 17 07:27 BST (UK)
I too am researching my Biggs family......William Henry Biggs is my husbands great grandfather. His wife Hannah Archer. I have sources for them. William Henrys father and mother as on his birth registration are William Biggs and Ann Jones. I am stonewalled at this point. There are some family trees out there with info but seem to have 2 families joined together and no sources. Villages mentioned in records are Bebington, Chester, Wirral, (Lancashire)to Buckinghamshire to Old Dustin (in later years). Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :) thank you, L. Biggs

Lancashire parish records
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html