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Title: Turner
Post by: Koo Koo on Wednesday 27 September 06 11:13 BST (UK)

Looking for Walter Turner from Wrexham abt 1800-1860s

Title: Re: Turner
Post by: Tati on Wednesday 27 September 06 11:22 BST (UK)

Hi U3,

I'd be very happy to try and help ...

Does the time frame 1800-1860s mean he was born in 1800 and dies in the 60s (can't see a match at first sight), or would he have been born anytime between 1800 and 1860? Is there anything else you know about him? Wife's name, children's details?

Tanja  :) 

Title: Re: Turner
Post by: Koo Koo on Wednesday 27 September 06 11:54 BST (UK)

I am sorry it is most misleading I think I should be looking around 1700s for M aggage I know he had a son called Walter if that helps  :)

Title: Re: Turner
Post by: wrjones on Wednesday 27 September 06 11:57 BST (UK)

There is a Walter Turner listed in the 1851 Census for Wrexham,the son of Robert and Mary Turner.He is listed as born in Wrexham in c 1839.

Regards
William Russell jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

Title: Re: Turner
Post by: Koo Koo on Wednesday 27 September 06 12:02 BST (UK)

Thank you so much I think you have found the one I am looking for His fathers name was Robert I just now need to find any more children  :-*

Title: Re: Turner
Post by: Tati on Wednesday 27 September 06 12:52 BST (UK)

Hi U3,

This is the 1851 entry:
HO107/2503 460 9
Wrexham Regis, Denbighshire
Wrexham Fechan
Robert Turner, head, 48, Spanish Leather Dresser, b. Middlesex London
Mary, wife, 49, b. Denbighshire Denbigh
Catherine, dau, 16, b. Wrexham
Walter, son, 12, scholar, b. do.
Sarah, dau, 9, scholar, b. do.
Rachel, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.
David Baker, nephew, 6, scholar, b. Denbigh Slan**

Try as I might, I can't seem to see them in 1841.

Interestingly, father Robert seems to be called Henry R in 1881 when he's in Lancashire
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=9206123

Edit: I think the above 1881 isn't right - sorry.
This one looks better, doesn't he?
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881wales&indiv=try&h=2474580

Title: Re: Turner
Post by: D ap D on Wednesday 27 September 06 12:57 BST (UK)

In my tree I have a few Turnors, who were surveyors and land agents for Lord Bagot on his estates in Denbighshire. A couple of whom are also named Walter.

From Pigots directory of the Midlands, 1835
Ruthin
Nobility, Gentry & Clergy
Turnor, Walter, esq. Pool Park
Turnor, Thomas, esq. Pool Park

Worth checking out. If we are talking about the same Walter, I have his ancestors going back to the 1600s, and family to the present day.

D

Title: Re: Turner
Post by: Tati on Wednesday 27 September 06 17:28 BST (UK)

Hi again U3,

Thanks for PMs - this is getting a little complicated so I think it's easier if we keep it all on the thread.

Could you just tell us what you already have and what you are looking for?
Do you have Robert's Walter's marriage cert?

Here is the family in 1871:
RG10/3826 46 28
Kirkdale, Lancashire
11 Selwyn Street
Walter Turner, head, 30, Passenger Broker's Clerk, b. Denbighshire Wrexham
Ellen, wife, 29, b. Flintshire **lock
Evelyn M, dau, 5, scholar, b. United States
Arthur C?, son, 3, scholar, b. do.
Robert E, son, 2, b. Cheshire Rock Ferry
Emma E Hampson, sister in law, unm, 19, b. Denbighshire Wrexham

You were asking for the marriage Robert Turner to Mary. A birth cert for one of the children born after 1837 would confirm it, but I think this one, found on the IGI at www.familysearch.org looks like a possible, given that Mary was from Denbigh:
ROBERT TURNER 
Spouse MARY WILLIAMS 
Marriage 09 MAR 1826   Denbigh, Denbighshire

Edit: This looks like the marriage Walter/Helena:
June quarter 1864
Wrexham 11b 580
Helena Hampson - Walter Turner 

Title: Re: Turner
Post by: Tati on Thursday 28 September 06 12:05 BST (UK)

I can't see the family after 1871... Did they move away?

I think I can trace Emma Elizabeth Hampson back to 1851. However, Ellen/Helena doesn't seem to be at home with her parents on any census  :-\

Title: Re: Turner
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 28 September 06 12:26 BST (UK)

Hi

Not sure if this helps -

I've checked the N Wales BMD for the birth Registration of Walter.

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/births.html

And have found the following LOCAL reference:

1839  Turner, Walter, Wrexham County Borough Ref - WM-001- 76

To obtain the cert for this ref, you would have to contact the local Reg Office in Wrexham (info given in the link). Alternatively, a search on FreeBMD/Ancestry would probably get you the GRO Ref.

Re 1841 Census info - if they were in Wrexham, the records would not show up. The Wrexham area EDs are missing.

Someone on RC does have access to some of them though.

Gadget

Title: Re: Turner
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 28 September 06 15:51 BST (UK)

It's not on FreeBMD.

GRO Birth REf is:

Wrexham, 1839, June Q, vol 17, page 293.

Gadget