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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: BAC3 on Thursday 28 September 06 16:21 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Hopefully someone will be able to help me.
During the years 1845-1849 five particular convict ships, "Thomas Arbuthnot", "Joseph Somes", "Maitland", "Marion" and the "Eden",
transported approximately 500 "Exiles" to Port Phillip who were ex-juvenile convicts from Parkhurst Prison on the Isle of Wight. If anyone has life history knowledge of any of these individuals after disembarking I would love to hear from you.
My interest is that I am researching for a PhD on Parkhurst Prison between 1838-1864 and am in a position to be able to exchange reasonable information for any of these 500.
In anticipation
Tony Cocks
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Hello
I would suggest ou would have allready scoured the internet but I will post this up for you anyhow
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/archivesvictoria/recordimages/00110/00110-P00001-viewer.html?00110-P0000-000001,300,2,S
regards jenn
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I have never come across this bit of history before. Great to be still learning!
http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/park12.html
This gave me a little bit of exra info as well as a few boy's names. Can't believe some were only 10 and 12.
Sue
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Jenn,
Thank you for the link below, but as you thought "been there and got the sweat shirt".
Sadly you will note the response has been disappointing which has been the story of my researches in Victoria......and especially as I lived for 6 years in Melbourne too, but in those days a PhD was the furthest thing from my thoughts!! Never mind.
Thanks once again
Tony
Hello
I would suggest ou would have allready scoured the internet but I will post this up for you anyhow
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/archivesvictoria/recordimages/00110/00110-P00001-viewer.html?00110-P0000-000001,300,2,S
regards jenn
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http://www.gsv.org.au/
hello there
this is a link to the Victoria Genealogy Society may be they might be of some help to you
regards Jenn
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Hello Jenn
I have advertised through various genealogical magazines and had limited success, but my sum total of completed Biographies is 35 out of the total 500 boys transported to Port Phillip. RootsChat was one of the last avenues I discovered.
My difficulty is that with similar advertising in WA I now have over 200 Biographies from 340 boys transported and am at loss to understand why there has been such a differing response between the two States.
Regards
Tony
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Hi Tony
As they weren't actually convicts, the "Exiles" are listed on the Assisted passenger Indexes which is online on the PROV website.
having a quick look at couple of those listed on DPS site. I checked Vic indexes and came up with the following, from the "Joseph Somes"
Francis RUSHBROOK died 1893 aged 65 in Geelong. Father listed as Jeremiah
He married first Frances WRAY in 1851 at Geelong and then Her sister Emily WRAY in 1876
Their children were born in and around Geelong.
William JERROME married Anne O'CONNOR in 1854.
William seems to have lost the "E" off the end, as most of their children are born under JERROM. William is possibly the William JERROM who died in Narrandra NSW in 1892. Father listed as William.
His wife Anne died in South Melbourne in 1889.
John CUNDELL married Eliza BRISBANE in 1854.
John CUNDILL died 1871 aged 42 birthplace: Scotland
Joseph PINE married Hughina MCKAY/MACKAY in 1862. Their children appear to be born in the HEXHAM
Samuel RAWLE (born: Bristol) married Ann BOSWELL registered in 1851 and 1874
George WORT (born: Birmingham) married Charlotte MORTON nee WILLMETT in 1864.
Regards
Genni
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Hello Genni,
"How did you do that"!!!!
I have had quite a lot of correspondence with the PROV over the past eighteen months and more or less been told that "my type of research will not produce results".........hence there have been no suggestions as to links etc. Now your posting proves that some headway can be made. Can you let me into the secret??
There are several sources I use to produce my Biographies and one of the most reliable has been Keith Clarke's "Convicts of the Port Phillip District" to give me some indication as to their initial whereabouts after disembarkation.......it is beyond that point I have difficulties, although I have documented Frank RUSHBROOK.
Oh to live in Melbourne again, to be able to visit the archives.........but it is 12,000 miles away!!
I am very grateful for you showing me a possible chink in the "research curtain".
For now
Tony
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Hello Genni,
Forgot to mention.........born in Glamorgan (my sister still lives there) and now live in Hampshire, two of the areas of interest to you. Anything I can research with either shall be delighted to help.
Regards
Tony
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Hi Tony
Glad I could give you some information. I make regular visits to the State Library and less regular visits to the PROV.
I have the Vic Indexes as do many of the other rootschatters. I was not sure what actual information you are seeking or already had. We can search the indexes for you but need the list of names.
I will check the Passenger lists on Fiche when I go to the Library. Now days you can actually copy them on to CDrom, so I'll see how I go.
The trouble with the PROV is they don't do searches, you need to go there.
I found a Thomas TOSSOL marrying Barbara BARNWALL in 1864. Died 1868 aged 35, parents: Unknown. Wondered if that might be Thomas TOSSILL/TOSSELL who arrived aged 16 on "Joseph Somes"
If you wish information on any of the children of the couples i've posted let me know.
Regards
Genni
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Hello Genni,
All this is great detail, simply because I can begin to create at least 6 more Biographies (Francis RUSHBROOK was already partially finished). Names, ages (DOBs) for the children would be extremely helpful in making a more rounded, personalised life history........I have tried using the IGI online facility, and the CD-ROM "Australian Vital Records Index", but because ages etc. are rarely cited it is difficult to be certain you have the correct person. The other major area of research is to ascertain whether or not they re-offended but where there is "family picture" it is not necessarily so important.
The names of those transported from Parkhurst Prison are specifically recorded on the Convicts to Australia website under the appropriate ship:
(1) "Thomas Arbuthnot"
http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/park8.html ;
(2) "Eden" change park8 to park12;
(3) "Maitland" change park8 to park7;
(4) "Marion" change park8 to park10;
(5) "Joseph Somes" change park8 to park9.
I wonder whether it would useful for me to take, say for example George WORT, and draft a standard formatted Biography for him which would then allow me more opportunity to show you exactly how much information I have and explain what I am trying to do. This would probably best be achieved if we could correspond directly by email....mine is ..........at Southampton University........and (time for confessional) I am not absolutely sure how to pass such detail via RootsChat!!!
Anyway, do please let me know......I am quite excited, for with your help today I have increased my Port Phillip BIography portfolio by approximately 15%!!!
I can only thank you
My regards
Tony
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hello there Tony
please remove your personal email address you are leaving your self open to scammers and such ask folk to PM you and then give them your persanol email
a suggestion from me might be that we rc's could at least do lookups when time allows for the names of the lads and give you info ie when married and died etc but that info would only be from the indexs of course and a lot of suppositions would occur. It might be best to save doubling up that maybe a volunteer could do each ship
I will put my hand up to do one of them for you
regards jenn
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Hello again Tony
there is a site in Australia called "first Families"
I was looking at the boys who came on the "Marion" the very first one
Robert Archman one of his family has him on this site it is soemthing for you to follow on with
I hope this link will work for you
http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/10421/20041220/www.firstfamilies2001.net.au/firstfamilyc249.html?id=Archman1682224379
i have traced him on the indexs so have reference numbers if you need them
regards jenn
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Hello Jenn
Just a quick note......how do I remove my email address please?
There has been some wonderful information posted this morning and I shall come back later today once I have had the chance to read it all and digest the contents.
Thank you so much for all your help
Regards
Tony
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hey there Tony
go to that message and click on modify then delete the address
regards jenn
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Hello there
when I had a quick look for some of the lads of the "Marion"
i noted a John Creswell Hood so with his full name given tried the index and have found a James Creswell Hood do you have access your end to the boys names or a you also working of the "link" you have posted
regards Jenn
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Thanks Jenn
I have modified the message and deleted my email address.
John Cresswell HOOD is definitely ex-Parkhurst. I have a copy of the Parkhurst Prison Register for the period 1838-1864 which is my "Bible" for basic information, then I check against the Convicts to Australia website and also Keith Clarke's "Convicts of the Port Phillip District"......this enables me to gather up as much detail as I can, such as "aka". Very often I find christian names wrongly quoted, but in this case "Cresswell" is so unusual the 99% probability is that "James" is actually "John".
Another one traced......all my birthdays are coming in one!!
Once again my thanks
Tony
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Hello Tony
with your records of the boys does it include their parents names? that will help with knowing for sure it is the right bloke if his death does list parenets names.
Also note that some of their ages may be incorrect as some have married very young indeed
regards jenn
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Hello Jenn,
This the biggest problem I have come across. Positive identification without parents' names and very often the ages not consistent (the latter is the worst because a lot of these boys did not even know their DOBs).
However, with the "Marion" there is a possible solution. I have a copy of the Parkhurst Governor's Log for 1844 (no other years exist unfortunately as they were destroyed in a fire at the prison) and this does sometimes contain parents' names, for example, an unusual surname William UDLE, his Mother's name is Hannah UDLE, a Weaver living in Frome, Somerset........or John McCORMACH, his Father is Martin McCORMACH, a Shoemaker living at St Hellens Walk, Derby.
And, for any descendants of these two boys that I could contact, they possibly could be very interested in that the Log does contain a brief description of their lives up until the time they were imprisoned........of course, my major difficulty, contacting descendants. Let me know if you would like an example of these "descriptions".
For now
Tony
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Hi Tony
On the First Families website jenn posted you will also find Henry ANSCOMBE. He married Elizabeth HARVEY nee PERT in 1868. Died 1873 aged 43 (listed as being born London) Parents listed as William & Frances GILES. Children born Melbourne, Maryborough & Redc (possibly Redcliffe).
George Downing ALSTON died in Warrnambool in 1893 aged 65 Parents listed as Charles & Matilda CROSS.
married Emma TAYLOR in 1853. Children all born in Warrnambool.
The PROV has him as George P ALSTON (I will check this on Sunday)
There is also an Alexander AGAR died Brunswick E aged 78 in 1904 Parents listed as Edward & Sarah (Unknown)
Also Charles VENNELL died Longwarry aged 78 in 1906 Parents listed as Charles & Mary HENRY. He married Bridget DWYER in 1858. children born Woodend area.
Regards
Genni
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Hello Jenn,
I am now busy composing Biographies for all the names mentioned in recent postings........the only slight doubt is Charles VENNEL that Genni unearthed., and he is being "investigated".
I am really grateful for all the leads because I was beginning to despair that Port Phillip was a closed book. The difficulty, compared to Tasmania, for instance, is that as "Exiles" with Conditional Pardons no Conduct Records were maintained and a tracing tool is lost. Never mind, the last couple of days have increased my Port Phillip Biographies considerably and gives me hope that they can be found with a little bit of creative researching.
Once again, thank you for helping.
Regards
Tony
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hello there Tony
well that is cool you are now making a bit more headway due to Genni's marvellous insight into the workings of the Provic site
all the boys are there on the ships a lovely bit of history
anything else you want just ask away
regards jenn
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Hello Jenn,
When I did my National Service I was told never to "volunteer" but I am glad you said "just ask away".
An interesting feature is that two ships were not allowed to disembark their "Exiles" at Port Phillip but were turned away and headed for Sydney......some went on to Moreton Bay. The ships were the "Hashemy" and the "Randolph", and they carried over 100 ex-Parkhurst juveniles. One of those on the "Hashemy", W.H. GROOM, became a prominent politician in Qld and also the Father of the First Federal Parliament in Melbourne......his son became a Knight of the Realm.....not bad for a boy convict!!! The links to the ships are:
http://members.iinet.au/~perthdps/convicts/park14.html for the "Hashemy" and park15. for the "Randolph"
GROOM is the only one I know about so if you could unearth any of the others that would be marvellous.....I think that those on the "Randolph" went mostly to Port Jackson.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend.
Tony
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Hi Tony
The following link is to the State records office in NSW. It is regarding the Exiles. The indexes searchable. The reels themselves, I would have thought would be available at the National Archives in Kew.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/convict_exiles_1849-50_338.asp
I don't know if you aware but Victoria & Queensland were still under NSW in the 1840's, Victoria didn't become seperated until 1852.
Regards
Genni
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Hello there Tony and Genni
on the site you tony have supplied there is only about 25 lads listed on the "Hasmeny"
Now tony says there was about 100 and by checking the NSW state records that Genni informed you about there are quite a good deal of names that don"t have an age against their names.
Would I be right in assuming that these are younger lads?
Now I picked one of the lads simply cause his last name is the same as in my family tree( a small twig an aunts husband grand parents names no connection on checking)
Josiah MOSELEY/MOSELY
now checking the on line BDM's and taking into account that these actual records are not sighted and only an assumption on my part, no other Josiah Mosely on the records for that time frame
in 1859 at TUMUT Josiah Mosely married Julia ADRAY REG NO 1224/1859
children born to the couple
13030/1859 MOSELY JOSIAH BORN TUMUT
died 8/3/1863 in Queensland 1863/000443
13467/1861 ROBERT F BORN TUMUT
died 3/3/1863 in Queensland 1863/000436
11366/1874 JULIA BORN GRAFTON
JULIA DIED IN 1883 AT MACLEAN NSW parents given as John A and Mary 1883/6613
JOSIAH DIED AGED 77 at Marrickville NSW no parents given on the on line record 2244/1911
Also please note that on two of children deaths it says father Josiah Redfern Mosely/Moseley
I cannot find any history on this lad.
I don't know if this is off any help to you
regards Jenn
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Hello
I was thinking there was a fair gap between the birth of the Moseley children so did some further investigations and discovered some births and deaths in Qld
Digger- Queensland Pioneers Index 1829 -1189
1862/000951
Julia Mosely born 16/7/1862 to Josiah Mosely and Julia Ardrey died 12/3/1868 (1868/001073)
1862/000952
John Mosely born 16/7/1862 to Joshiah /Mosely and Julia Ardrey died 28/2/1863 (1863/000428)
1865/27/5/1865
Josiah Moseley born 27/5/1865 to Josiah Moseley and Julia Ardrey
1866/002072
Robert Fererick Mosely born 7/7/1866 to Josiah Moseley and Julia Audrey
1868 /002726
Mary Mosely born 2/9/1867 to Josiah Mosely and Julia Andrey
1869/003191
John Moseley born 9/9/1869 to Josiah Moseley and Julia Ardrey
I have put the names spellings as appears on the index, this couple didn't have a lot of luck with their children loosing their first two little boys within days of each other and then losing a set of twins in queensland.
Unfortunately the Qld indexs do not give a birth or death place but do have the Letter "B" beside the registration number to denote born in Brisbane.
regards jenn
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Hello Jenn
Josiah MOSELEY is an unusual name and possibly this one is from the "Hashemy"..........I have only two pieces of information about him:
(1) In the "Moreton Bay Courier" for the 20th October 1849, p.3. he is recorded as receiving a Conditional Pardon; and from another source which I have not recorded:
(2) He is supposed to have gone to Yass, but no date specified, although it is a long way from Moreton Bay (I have assumed there is only the NSW Yass). I have no idea where Marrickville is in NSW, where he died, but McLean, where his wife died, is about 500 miles NW of Yass on the coast. So all a little bit confusing geographically.
However, I am fairly convinced that they are one and the same person.
Regards
Tony
PS: The "firstfamilies 2001", which I had not heard of previously, is proving quite helpful......I have unearthed 3 more leads, besides the ones you and Genni mentioned ARCHMAN and ANSCOMBE, and there are a few names yet to be researched.
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Hello
If Josiah Moseley was reported as going to Yass, Tumut where he has married is just down the road a bit ie about 200ks so he has maried in Tumut and went back to Qld for a period of time and then moved back to McLean in northern NSW and the down to Marickville( an inner suburb of Sydney).
To put that journey into perpective for you my own great grandfather was born in 1864 in ADelaide was married in 1887 in Maryborough Qld and moved to Ryde in Sydney in 1889 and died there in 1957, a hell of a trip without frequent flyer points ;D
It doesn't seem to have been a problem travelling many thousands of miles across our wonderfull country, remeber this was a time of Gold Fever everywhere.
Do you have anything on Pollard Otley and William Udle two very unusual names but I cannot find either of them?
Do you still want help looking up the BDM's of any of these lads?
regards Jenn
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Hello Jenn,
Pollard Otley......he was also referred to in the "Moreton Bay Courier" on 20/10/1849, p.3 as being granted a Conditional Pardon and the only other detail being "Went to Wellington; hired by Miss Boulton - Molong, Wellington".
William Udle I mentioned to you with regard to his mother's names. If you can turn up anything on the BDM indexes I would be delighted.........as with Josiah Moseley I shall now create a Biography for him with all the details you unearthed.
I remember flying to Sydney from Melbourne via TAA a couple of times just to go to a party........daft, but happy, days!!!
Regards
Tony
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Hello there Tony
heavens above mate you must be as old as me to remember flying "TAA" "up up and away with TAA the friendly way" ;D
now with a name like pollard otley you would think now worries mate but yes you have guessed it not in nsw or qld could have changed his name but will keep looking same as Udle not an Udle to behold
regards Jenn
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G'day Jenn
I'll let you into a little secret........I also remember Reg Ansett coming to work by helicopter and landing on the roof of the ANSETT ANA Building in Melbourne..........those were in the days of IMT on TV!!!
For now
Tony
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Hello There Tony
would it be possible for you to list the boys names that went to Moreton Bay, the ones you have some info on that will give us something to work with
regards Jenn
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Hello Jenn,
These below were quoted in the "Moreton Bay Courier" as being granted Conditional Pardons.......
William LAWSON Robert ALLCOCK
George MASON Henry KENT
Pollard OTLEY Joseph BENDLE
James BARROW John DILLON
William JACKSON John MAHONEY
Thomas JONES Josiah MOSELEY
Joseph RIGBY George STONE
Joseph TURNER John SALISBURY
William HARRINGTON John HAYWOOD
William Henry GROOM (I know all about this one)
Hopefully you can unearth some details, but please don't worry too much.
Regards
Tony
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hello Tony
just to finalise your file for Josiah Mosely
He remarried Emily Smith at Sydney 1892/1651
His wife emily died 1919 father edward mother ann marrickville 1919/9772
will have to pm the rest of the info in case of copyright
regards jenn
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Hello Tony
Josiah Redfern is buried at Rookwood Cemetery
Age 77 death date 12thmarch1911
denomination Anglican Details Sect 2 south row 22 grave 2339
inscription "my Husband" so there is a grave stone
nothing for the wife Emily
from the 1903 electoral rolls for NSW
at 3 Pyrmont Bridge Road, Pyrmont,West Sydney
Josiah is a Storekeeper Emily is a grocer
incidently his son is also on it
Jessie Moseley domestic duties Joshiah Mosely fisherman
At Eden Monaro Merimbula NSW
regards jenn
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Hello Jenn,
I think Josiah Moseley is now pretty well documented and the Biography looks excellent, complete with citations etc. It is more than pleasing because the boys on the "Randolph" and "Hashemy" have proved so difficult to track down except, unfortunately, those that died before they reached Australia.
My thanks for all your help.......and Genni, too, has been keeping me busy with some great details.
I envy you both moving into Spring and Summer......Autumn/Winter are now just around the corner for us.
Talk to you soon.
Tony
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Hi Tony
I have been following these posts with great interest. Like many others I had no knowledge of these Exiles until now.
I have just received a notice from my local Genealogical Society with a list of lectures etc for November, and amongst them is a talk to be given by a Scott Brown. The details for Scott state, in part, that he is compiling a genealogical data base of convict transportees plus he is researching and writing a history of the Victorian Exiles.
I thought you would be interested to hear of this, as he seems to be carrying out very similar research to yourself.
Noells
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Hi Tony
The following is a link to the site run by Scott Brown.
http://www.historyaustralia.org.au/ifhaa/index.html
Regards
Genni
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Hello Noells,
I was "introduced" to Scott Brown, so to speak, about 18 months ago by a lady from the AIGS who had contact with him when he was working at the PROV. We had an exchange of emails and he sent me some copies of slides of the talks he gave to genealogical groups. These were very interesting and I imagine anyone attending his talks would find them entertaining.
Thank you for thinking of me.......if you would like to know a little more of the "Exiles" a book I find more than helpful is "Convicts of the Port Phillip District" by Keith M. Clarke.
My regards
Tony
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good morning Tony
interesting death in NSW
Notley B Pollard died 1894 ref 7167at Leicchardt parents James and Sarah
could this be the elusive Pollard Otley
regards jenn
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Good Evening Jenn,
Where be or not where be?.......that is the question for Mr Otley or Mr Pollard.
If he died in 1894 he would have been about 60 years of age and born probably in Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk. Sadly, I have no idea who his parents were. After disembarkation he apparently went to Wellington to work for a Miss Boulton - Molong.......which means that he did not go to Moreton Bay but Sydney. So why was he reported in the "Moreton Bay Courier" as having been granted a Conditional Pardon. It is all so confusing, no wonder nobody wants to deal with the convicts from the "Hashemy"!!!!!
Incidentally, did you get all the "movements" for the other boys after disembarkation?
For now
Tony
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hello there
tony
yes got the list working on it bit hard without parents
it is a pity the Nsw Bdms dont put the age at death would be helpfull
now oonly one James Barrow in the NSW BDM
2714/1858 Barrow James died parents john and charlotte at Bathurst
regard jenn
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Notley B Pollard died 1894 ref 7167at Leicchardt parents James and Sarah
could this be the elusive Pollard Otley
Hi Jenn
Notley B Pollard's family are from South Aus. Arrived 1853 so no not Pollard OTLEY.
Have found Pollard OTLEY on the 1841 Census - Father is William OTLEY. Pollard was 9 and the family lived in Ixworth Suffolk Ref: HO107/1013/16 Page 7 & 8
regards
Genni
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hello there gennie
well that blows that wild theory of mine
but at least we know that it is not him he is an eluisive bugger isn't he
regards jenn
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Hello Jenn and Genni,
Genni has uncovered the correct Pollard OTLEY, in that Ixworth is a mere 5 miles from Bury St. Edmunds where he was tried at the Quarter Sessions on 13/06/1846 aged 14.
All the details tie together, so what did Miss Boulton of Molong near Wellington, NSW do with him???
Regards
Tony
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Just came across this site while searching for information about my g-g-grandfather Josiah Redfern Moseley. Is there any information about his family in England? All I know, from marriage and death certificates, is that he said he was born about 1833 in Macclesfield, Cheshire, and his parents were Robert Moseley, Storekeeper, and Mary Redfern.
Julia Ardrey was a domestic servant, born in Dublin, Ireland, who came to Australia as an assisted immigrant in 1856. Josiah and Julia had two sons born in Adelong (near Tumut), Josiah in August 1859 and Robert Frederick in December 1860. At the time of his marriage in Adelong Josiah gave his occupation as Gold Miner. They moved to Queensland about 1861; at the time free settlers were being sent there to replace convicts as labourers on farm properties. They had six more children in Queensland before moving back to northern NSW where their last child was born in 1874. Their first two sons and one of the twins (John) died in a diphtheria epidemic and the other twin (Julia) died several years later. The names of the first four children were recycled for the last four.
I would be most grateful for any information about Josiah's family in England. One of my aunts told me Josiah was related to the Moseley silverware people in Sheffield, but then she also said Josiah was a Remittance Man - she likes to paint the family as better than they really were.
Wendy
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Hello Wendy,
Thank you for the posting on your GGGrandfather Josiah Redfern MOSELEY.
I do have some pre-transportation information.......not a huge amount......which covers his "Parkhurst Prison" experience which I shall be delighted to let you have.
I am now totally out of touch with how RootsChat operates but is it possible that you can forward a Personal Message with your email address and I can then send you the details.
Regards
Tony Cocks
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hello there Tony
How is your research going or have you finished it
regard jenn
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It is only recently that I finally traced the arrival into Victoria of
WILLIAM OSBORNE b Leek Staffordshire 1819-1821.
COnvicted in Staffordshire Quatersessions 1842 of stealing tools. Received into PArkhurst Prison 15/9/1842 where he was taught the trade of Carpentry.
He was sentenecd to 7 years transportation
and arrived in Williamstown Port Phillip on teh Maitland 9/11/1847.
SOURCE Keith Clarke's Convicts of teh Port Phillip.
He disposition was not stated. I have been unable to find any reference to him or his life prior to his marriage. I assume he led a blameless life working hard as his skills would have been i high demand.
In 1852 he married Maria GOODWIN daughter of convict Charles/Thomas Godwin and Sarah Harrington.
I have not found any records of children born to them prior to 1857. Again a five year period for which I can find no evidence of eith party.
Between 1857 and 1876 they had 11 children. William, John, Sarah, Elizabeth, Mary Ann, George, James, Richard, Hannah, Lucy, ans Anne Maria. All duly listed on Maria's death certificate.
The eldest son William went to New Zealand.
Sarah married Frederick Marriott.
Elizabeth married Spencer Clarke my great grandfather.
Mary Ann also married Spencer after her sister died in childbirth.
James married Eliza Hosking
Richard Married Rosina Hore.
source VICTORIAN BDM
They lived in the Western District of Victoria in TERANG. The sons were involved in Newspaper business in Terang nad CAMPERDOWN.
Other researchers have sent me a lot of information on their descendants if you are interested.
I hope this has helped you.
One of the reasons many Victorian may not have responded is that whilst the index is online to actually get a copy of theinformation one must personally visit the Records Office which when like myself I live 3 hours away is not easily achieved. There is no indication in the index that the MAitland carried convict exiles.
Robyn in Wodonga Australia.
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Hello Jenn,
Nice to hear from you again..... hope you are keepng well.
My research carries along at a fair pace but I have still quite some distance to go before it is finished. I started writing the "Dissertation" towards the end of 2006 and probably the next 18 months will more or less see it completed (I am a supreme optimist!!). Having said that any further help I can get in terms of finding descendants and writing up Biogaphies is more than welcome.
Good to see two posted this week for which I am extremely grateful.
For the moment take care of yourself.
My regards
Tony
hello there Tony
How is your research going or have you finished it
regard jenn
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Hallo Tony,
This is my first post - I have been researching and building my husband's family tree for nearly a year now and have recently discovered that his GGG Uncle was a "Parkhurst Boy". He was CHARLES (CHAS) HESKETH, born c1826/7 in Westminster, London. My father-in-law Christopher will be 94 on 7 December and I am trying to add Charles' story to my present to him.
Charles was convicted of "stealing pork" on 27th Dec 1843 at Westminster Quarter Sessions and sentenced to 7 years. He was transferred to Parkhurst Prison on the Isle of Wight and subsequently "sent" to Australia - sailing on the "Maitland" from the IoW on 24th June 1846 and arriving at Williamstown, Victoria on 24th Nov 1846. He is listed a being retrained as a Blacksmith (coincidence? his father George and eldest brother were both Blacksmiths (farriers) all their lives).
From my research I gather that these boys were "pardoned" as long as they served the rest of their sentence as "apprentice" and did not return to England during that period. This is where I am stuck!
Your research is facinating and I wonder if you can point me in the right direction to try and find out what happened to Charles, if he married, had children, where he lived and if there are any descendants.
I hope you can help.
Chris Hesketh
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Hello there Chris
Welcome to Rootschat. You will find a lot of helpfull Ladies and Gentlemen on this site.
Now a little bit more from you
can we have his parents names please, this often helps with the deaths.
I have had a look at Victoria and NSW but no luck just yet.
Have you checked later census to see if he did return to England at all.
kind regards Jenn
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Hallo Jenn,
CHARLES was born in 1826 - in Ireland according to the 1841 Census. He was also known as CHAS.
Parents were GEORGE Hesketh - born 1799, died 24 Dec 1846 in Westminster Hospital - age 47 of Bronchitis - MARY Hesketh (nee ???) born Westminster c1809.
There is no trace of Charles ever returning to the UK - have been through Census records: 1851/61/71/81/91 and 1901.
I know what happened to his brothers and sisters, but he just disappeared after the 1841 Census. Only recently discovered that he was a Parkhurst Boy shipped out to Australia.
If you can help, would be much appreciated.
Chris
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Chris,
Have you been able to check the ship's manifest to see if he survived the voyage? I spent ages looking for one son of one of my ancestors whom I knew from three different sources, had left Ireland with his family but could find no trace of him in Australia. When I finally visited the State Records in Melbourne and actually looked at the original documents I discovered he had died shortly after leaving the UK!!!!
Keith Clark's "Convicts of Port Phillip " may be in your local history association library or your state library. That is where I found my exile listed also on the Maitland but the year following your Charles Heskith.
He may also have changed his name, many did to escape their histories.
Robyn in Wodonga
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Hi Robyn,
He definitely did survive, as another chap on this site has passed me a Bibliography he has written on Charles for the PhD he is doing.
I have PRO Victoria index records for the birth of his children and death records as well. So now I am trying to research the area they were born and died in. Unfortunately, none of his children lived very long, so it looks like we don't have any decendants to find. Such a shame, but at least I can fill in details for Charles now on the family tree.
Thanks for your help and good luck with your research.
Chris :D
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Hello there
you say you have records for his childrens births?
Now can you pass on these details and also was he married in victoria . There is a possible death for him but would like you to give us a bit more information please.
also was it always spelt Hesketh
He definitely did survive, as another chap on this site has passed me a Bibliography he has written on Charles for the PhD he is doing.
re this statement Tony who started this thread is doing his Phd on the Parkhurst boys!
kind regards Jenn
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OK Jenn - here goes:
Chas Hesketh (the many Charles in the Westminster Hesketh line are call "Chas")
Death: 1899
Place: Apsley
Reg # 11780
Victoria Fed Index 1889-1901
George Hesketh
Born: 1856
Place: BYONG (Buninyong)
Reg # 1680
Victoria Pioneer Index 1836-1888
Father: Charles
Mother: Ellen
George Hesketh
Death: 1856
Place: VIC
Reg # 1045
Father: Charles
Mother: Ellen
Age 7 days
Victoria Pioneer Index 1836-1888
Charles Henry Hesketh
Borne: 1858
Place: Pleasant C (Creek) - now Stanwell
Reg # 8139
Father: Charles
Mother: Ellen
Victoria Pioneer Index 1836-1888
Charles Henry Hesketh
Death: 1858
Age 1 day
Reg # 4727
Father: Charles
Mother: Ellen
Victoria Pioneer Index 1836-1888
Ellen Hesketh - Birth Place: Ireland
Death: 1858
Age 26
Reg # 4726
Father: James Hughes
Mother: Bridget
Victoria Pioneer Index 1836-1888
Elizabeth Hesketh
Death: 1870
Age 16
Place: VICT
Reg # 8040
Father: Charles
Mother: Ellen
Victoria Pioneer Index 1836-1888
I cannot find a marriage record for Charles & Ellen, or a birth record for Elizabeth (born c 1854).
From research I understand that "The State of Victoria was known as the Port Phillip District of New South Wales prior to separation on 1 July 1851." Charles would have finished his "term" as an apprentice to a local employer around December 1850, so I think my next port of call is the NSW early records.
What do you think?
Chris
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Yo
ur research is facinating and I wonder if you can point me in the right direction to try and find out what happened to Charles, if he married, had children, where he lived and if there are any descendants.
I hope you can help.
Hello there Chris
I am now a bit confused with this. Re your orginal request. It would seem you did have most of the information to hand by your latest reply.
A download for one of the children's births may include where and when the parents married also if this particular Charles Hesketh is you man because it should say where he is from etc. Charles is abbreviated to Chas on the federation index.
regards Jenn
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Yes, it looks like it, but had a private e-mail from "annie" in the common room who sent me these extracts as she has the CD-ROMs just after I posted, but did not get round to looking at this info in detail until UK Tuesday pm.
I hope I haven't wasted any of your time :-\, but everything has happened so fast over the last 2 days.
Tony's info has been great, as it has confirmed what I have seen on the index and he also filled in some holes about Charles before he set sail for Australia. Tried to buy images of all the certs, but only index images available.
Am still searching for Charles and Ellen marriage and birth of daughter Elizabeth. Have traced Charles on a map from arrival at Port Phillip 1846 - to Buninyong (just south of Ballarat) in 1856 - next to Pleasant Creek (now Stawell) in 1858 - to finally Aspley where he died in 1899. I think Charles might have been chasing the gold strikes, but after reading some stuff on the I/Net it was very tough in these places at that time.
:'( Sorry again, hope I haven't cheesed you off, but thank you anyway.
Chris
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Hello there
Chris no I am not cheessed off only too happy to help
you buy the images from the Victoria BDMs on line and download from it for 17.50 a copy
Victorian BDM index online
long link to
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA256C7100199CBE/OrigDoc/~1542E3A9C6B6BE3DCA256C72001CAE6E?OpenDocument&1=13-Index+Search~&2=10-Index+Categories~&3=~
(free to search, AUS$0.99 to view each page)
regards Jenn
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:D Hallo Jenn,
Went to the site to try and get images of all the certificates, but only images of the index available. Message displayed:
"Original record is missing from the register. No image or certificate can be issued."
So looks like I'm out of luck.
Chris
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Chris,
I have only been able to locate the same Hesket etc.) individuals as yourself on the BDM CD's using all types of wild card searches.
I have also looked at both NSW and Tasmania without success.
On the IGI I found a maraige for a George Heskith to an Ann about 1824 in Lancashire. Would be worth you looking at it.
It is not unusaul to find that many early records for Victoria are missing. Perhaps lost in fires and floods before they could be centralised for compilation by the officials. (several in my lines of research alone all have death records though!!!! no births and often no paents maraiges pre 1857)
good luck Robyn in Wodonga
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Chris,
Ooops, my aplogoes the marriage was George Hesketh b c 1799 to Mary Appleton on 22 February 1824.
Submitted by a LDS memeber in fact there are two different entries for this marriage.
bye
Robyn in Wodonga
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Chris,
It seems really weird that every image would be missing when there's such a spread of years and places:
George b (Byong) and d, both 1856
Charles Henry b (Pleasant C) and d, both 1858
Ellen d 1858
Elizabeth d 1870
Charles d 1899 (Apsley)
Especially the 1899 death ...
Might it be worth contacting the Vic BDM people for any further explanation they can give?
Though, even if you are able to get the 1899 death, the information in it will depend on what the informant knew ...
JAP
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My 3xGt Grandfather George SMITH (b1811) was found guilty at Aylesbury Quarter Sessions of stealing a horse on 15th October 1844 and transported as an "Exile" on board the Maitland. He arrived at Williamstown on 9th November 1846 and apparently settled there initially.
He appears to have been quite skilled, working as both plumber/ glazier and painter/ engraver as well as being taught the trade of Tinman whilst incarcerated in Pentonville.
George had a wife and four sons back in England, but I've found no trace of him returning once his sentence (10 years) had been served. In fact, upon being sentenced to transportation to Australia, he turned to the judge and said "thankyou sir- I have been there before and shall be glad to get out of this country", so it would seem that he wouldn't have wanted to come back anyway!
Unfortunately, the trail has now run cold and with a name like George Smith I wouldn't imagine it'd be easy to find out what happened to him once he arrived in Victoria. His trade might narrow the search down a bit though, as there can't have been that many plumbers/ painters in Williamstown in the 1840s.
Does anyone have any suggestions how I can find out more about George? He may even have remarried and had more children out there, but again with a name like Smith, it wouldn't be easy to determine this.
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Hello there
I would suggest you start a new thread or query of your own on Emmigrants to Australia of course
try and give his parents names if possible
lots of folk will try and help you
kind regards Jenn
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Thanks Jenn,
I'll give that option a go.
Daz
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Has anyone heard from Tony Cocks lately?
Several emails and PM recently unanswered.
My interest Thomas Knight,Parkhurst Boy,transported as an "Exile" aboard "Eden",disembarked Geelong 4 Feb 1849.
Rex
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Hi,
I saw a post on <AUS-CONVICTS[at]rootsweb.com> on June 1st from Tony.
Would be worth checking their archives.
Robyn in Australia
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Still no luck in contacting Tony Cocks.
Rex
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Rex
I have sent you a PM re an email adress for Tony.
Robyn in Wodonga
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Hello Robyn in Wodonga.
This is my first post. I am interested in Osborne Leek Staffordshire in early 1800s. Can you tell me the names of the Parents of the William Osborne transported to Port Phillip on the Maitland 1847. Or anything about his life in England. There appears to have been more than one William Osborne born in Leek at that time..
Regards Ivan
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Good morning Ivan.
I noticed your posting regarding a William Osborn who came to Australia on "Maitland".
I have a reference book which mentions this person.You may already have this information:
William Osborne b1826 was sentenced to 7 years transportation 6.4.1842 at STS Stafford Quarter Sessions.He was convicted of stealing tools and received Parkhurst Prison 15.9.1842 where he was taught the trade of carpenter.He was single,"reads and writes".
He was shipped to Williamstown arriving 9.11.1846.He was granted a conditional pardon on arrival.
I hope this helps.
Rex
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Hi Navi,
I have George Osborne and Sarah (?Spilsbury?) as William's parents. Source, descendants of his eldest child William Osborne who moved to NZ.
No details on his marriage in 1852 in Geelong #23788 Death has mother's maiden name as Spilsbury. #784 for1905 place of birthLeek Staffordshhire informant son George Osborne,
regards
Robyn
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Hello Robyn.
Hello Rex.
Thank you both for replies that are welcome and helpful.
I was hoping for Parent names a little different, the Osborne and Sarah parts are fine. the George and Spilbury parts are not what I hoped for.
I thank you again.
Ivan
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This is my first post. I am interested in Osborne Leek Staffordshire in early 1800s. Can you tell me the names of the Parents of the William Osborne transported to Port Phillip on the Maitland 1847. Or anything about his life in England. There appears to have been more than one William Osborne born in Leek at that time..
Regards Ivan
Hello there Ivan Navi,
perhaps if you are not convinced this is your William Osborne, I would suggest that you start off a new topic seeking information on your William Osborne,
please include as much information as you do know,
his year of birth, and where
his parent names including his mother's maiden name
and when you last "found" him in England
We have a lot of willing informed rootschatters with a lot of resources at their fingertips ready and willing to help you in your research
kind thoughts Jenn
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Navi,
I am only relying on others information for his father's name. Other sources have suggested it might also be William his mother's maiden name was all that was in that field on his death certificate again I am relying on other for her name as Sarah.
I have contacted the local archives in Leek and they were unable to help other than the following information he had nothing else to add.
I have had a look at the Staffordshire Advertiser newspaper for 9 April 1842 and found a very brief mention of the case. William Osborne was charged at the Staffordshire Quarter Sessions on 6 April 1842 along with Joseph Worthington of stealing a pair of cloth boots from Henry Plant at Leek. They both pleaded guilty so I would assume there was no formal trial. Other than this there was no other information given about the case.
Again the victim or the accomplices name may help you.
He is the exile referred to above and he reoffended after his marriage and spent a further 4 years in prison in Victoria.
Children's names which if he and his wife Maria followed traditional practices may help you clarify things:
William, John, Sarah, Elizabeth, Mary Ann, George, James, Richard, Hannah, Lucy, Anne Maria.
His wife was Maria Go(o)dwin. Maria's parents were Charles Go(o)dwin and Sarah Harrington.
Daghters Elizabeth (my gg garandmother ) and Mary Ann were married to the same man. Mary Ann married him after Elizabeth died and was step mother to the two surviving children and a fostered daughter. She had no children herself.
regards
Robyn
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Hello,
I have an 1841 census reference for William Osborne from another decendent in NZ:
#HO107, Piece,1005, in Folio 5\18, on page 28 for the Registration District of Leek in the Civil Parish: Leek and the address in the Borough: Church Lane, Leek, Leek & Lowe.
Thsi should help identify his parents. The same researcher gave me George and Sarah as his parents names, I assume from this census entry.
regards
Robyn
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Hi Tony,
You may like to take a look at this thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,462414.msg3231114.html#msg3231114
Cheers Kris :)
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Hello Kris,
Thank you for the "lead".
Strangely the Lister has not mentioned her ancestor's name, unless of course he happens to be one of those she has highlighted. Most of them I have substantial information for, including full Biographies, although for the latter cases not all can be released without prior approval of the family researchers who helped with BDM details etc.
It will be interesting to find out why the Lister has indicated these specific Parkhurst Boys.
For the moment
Tony
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Dear Tony
Hi my name is Amanda and I have information on one of your parkhurst boys i think, i have information that my great great grandfather Thomas Matthews was a parkhurst boy. Although I don't have any information on him before he came to Australia on the Joseph Soames, I have extensive info on his life here in Australia. Here is what i know and if you have any info to give me on him before he got here ie parents and birthplace would greatly appreciate it.
Thomas Matthews was born in 1830 in Bath England and was convicted of stealing ? and was transported to Australia on the Joseph Soames and sailed from Spithead, Portsmouth, on 09/06/1847 for the Port Phillip District of New South Wales, finally disembarking at Point Henry, Geelong, Victoria on 24/09/1847. Thomas met an Irish girl named Mary O’Boyle who also appears to have been an
orphan born in Newry, Ireland, and came to Australia in 1844 when she was ten
years old with an Aunt, living in Melbourne. Thomas and Mary were married in St.
Francis Church, Melbourne, on the 10th July 1852. This was 20 months after Ned Kelly’s parents were
married there and with whom they were friends. Thomas and Mary’s son, John
Henry, rode with Ned Kelly until Ned found himself in trouble.
Thomas and Mary left Melbourne in a horse and wagon for the Tallangatta
Station, owned by James Wilson, in 1855. Prior to this they had lived on
Welergang Run. Their first child Charles was born on the Greg Greg Station and
Mary Ann their daughter at Colac Colac Station. They settled at a waterfall in Tallangatta
Valley and built their first home, where there is a creek named the Matthews
Creek. In 1868 Thomas, Mary and family (now 9 children) moved to a spot on
the Mitta River. There was no township of Tallangatta at that time, only very
thick bush. Their nearest neighbours were the Moore family of the Wagra Run.
They opened a public house, the first in the district, on Tallangatta Flat…….in
those days there was a punt on the Mitta River nearly in front of the hotel, making
it a good position for business, but flood waters forced them to move to higher
ground. Their son Joseph was born there with flood waters lapping around the
hotel. Later, the Victoria Hotel was built on that spot. About 1873 they sold the
hotel and shifted to Bullioh where he selected land and opened a hotel on the
Corryong Road. Later this hotel was shifted about ½ a mile away to the fork of
the Tallangatta Valley Road and Corryong Road, so as to get more trade. He
named it ‘The Travellers Rest’. In later years it became known as ‘The Rest’.
Ned Kelly was a customer at the hotel one night. Alice Matthews waitressed at
the table, his horse was fed and watered before he journeyed on. He was
described as a perfect gentleman.
Thomas and Mary owned 26 miles of land in 3 areas, 13 miles of Tallangatta
Run and the rest divided between Corryong and near Tumbarumba. They had 13
children. Mary was pregnant with Gideon her 13th child when Thomas was
drowned in the flooded Tallangatta Creek at the age of 45 years. He undertook to
pilot a traveller across the flooded creek into the township. There was no bridge
and they were able to ford the creek at the Cascade. After obtaining some
supplies, Thomas impatient to reach home, decided on a shortcut and crossed the
creek further up, but the current was too strong and horse and rider were swept
away. Next day searchers found his injured horse in James Wilson’s paddock but
it was two days before Thomas’s body was found in the reeds in Toal’s Swamp,
200 yards from where he attempted to cross. This was on 1 Sept 1875 he died in leaving his wife with 12 children and 1 on the way. She managed to raise the kids by herself and also run a hotel as well until her death in 1900. Here is a list of Thomas and Mary's 13 Children
Joseph Matthews b1871-1958
John Henry Matthews b1860-1949
Charles Matthews b1853-1921
Thomas Matthews b1856-?
William Matthews b1858-?
George Matthews b1865-?
Gideon Simon Matthews b1875-? She was pregnant with him when thomas died.
Mary Ann Matthews b1854-1933
Alice Matthews b1862-?
Emily Matthews b1864-?
Elizabeth Matthews b1867-?
Catherine Matthews b1869-?
Matilda Matthews b1873-1955
Hope that helps and if you have any more questions you can contact me.
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Hello Amanda,
Last week I completed a fairly comprehensive Biography for Thomas MATTHEWS with the help of several descendants, which includes both a history of his childhood and photographs.
Please send me a PERSONAL MESSAGE with your email address so that I can forward a copy of the Biography and, if you have no objections, pass your name, your relationship as a Great Great Granddaughter and email address to the descendants so that they can contact you and exchange possibly even later family details.
For the moment
Tony
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Hi Tony
I wonder if would find this of any help.
Fate of the Artful dodger : Parkhurst boys transported to Australia and New Zealand, 1842-1852
by Paul Buddee
Sorry re read the thread and you already have this information.
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Hello Tony,
I am descended from Thomas Matthews per "Joseph Soames" & although I have a bit of information on his life in Aust. I know nothing
about his life prior to his confinement in Parkhurst. Be really grateful for any information you could send me. Descended from his daughter
Alice, 1862-1952.
Alena
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Hello Alena,
I have sent you a Personal Message with my email address.
Please reply and I shall let you have a copy of the Biography for Thomas MATTHEWS.
For now
Tony
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Was Henry Matthews also on Joseph Somes arrived Geelong 24 Sep 1847 ex Parkhurst,disposal as general servant to David Mathewson,Campaspe from same family as Thomas Matthews?
Rex
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Francis Rushbrook (my great-great-grandfather) was one of the Parkhurst Boys, arriving at Geelong in September 1847.
My great-grandfather, Alexander Frederick Matthews, met and married Eliza Rushbrook (Frank's daughter) while visiting Australia on behalf of the Vestey family, and all but one of their seven children were born in Queensland.
He returned to Scotland after inheriting an estate from his uncle, David Frederick, who died in 1899 - a condition of the inheritance was that he must change his surname to Frederick, so he became Alexander Frederick Matthews-Frederick, and his children took that name too. My grandmother came back to Scotland with him, and this branch of the family has remained in Scotland since then.
Alexander sparked my father's interest in genealogy, and he spent much of his spare time building a family tree, which I have been extending since his death in 2002. A subset of the tree, which consists of Francis Rushbrook's descendants and their spouses, has 170 individuals in it, and I know I'm missing recently-added twigs on the tree!
The story told in the family was that Francis was studying law at Cambridge, but his father ran up huge gambling debts, and couldn't pay the fees. The young Francis then decided to seek his fortune in Australia. On going to Cambridge to investigate this part of the family, my father discovered that Frank's connection with the law arose from the wrong direction! He had been convicted of larceny (£10) at Cambridge Borough Court in 1844 at the age of 16.
I only discovered the Parkhurst connection today, and am somewhat relieved to find I'm not descended from a hardened criminal, but from a young offender who was trained as a baker in Parkhurst and who was presumably a free man when he arrived at Geelong (subject to his not returning to the UK for the rest of his sentence).
I'd rather not publish the whole tree here, but the following surnames feature in it:
Rushbrook, Matthews-Frederick, McLaughlan, Barnewall, Lynch, Curley, Dickinson, Robinson, Cattanach.
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Hello,
The extract following is taken from the Parkhurst Prison Governor's Log for 1844 and describes some of Francis RUSHBROOK's escapades prior to his transportation:
Parent living in Cambridge. Father, Jeremiah Rushbrook, is a Bailiff, he was formerly an Innkeeper in Cambridge and subsequently at Wisbeach where he failed. Prisoner has one brother and four sisters. He attended Mr Reveley’s school & others in Cambridge before his Father moved to Wisbeach and again after his return to Cambridge, learnt to read tolerably. After he left school he was employed at a hosier’s shop as errand boy, lived there nearly 3 years, received 2/- a week. Was employed to carry letters to the Post and sometimes cheated his employer by asking for pence to pay postage and keeping them for his own use, had been for some time in the habit of pilfering from the rooms of members of the University when he was sent there with parcelsI have a reasonable Biography for him, including family details in Australia, and would be more than happy to let you have a copy of the WORD document if you will confirm your email address ........I have sent you a Private Message with my address to help you.
My interest in Francis RUSHBROOK is purely academic in that he was one of the Parkhurst Boys I am researching for a PhD.
For the moment,
Tony
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Many thanks, Tony.
My access to your private message has been blocked - I think this is because I haven't put up enough messages on the forum.
Will this one count? I wonder...
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Message for Tony Cocks,
I am also researching Parkhurst exiles for a PhD project - in particular Thomas Chapman who arrive on the 'Maitland' in November 1846 - and some related matters.
Could you get in touch by email please - I have sent you a personal message with the email address.
Thanks
Doug Wilkie
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Hello I have just joined Roots and wish to reply about the exiles My husband rescearched Thomas Matthews and passed the information on to the family But I notice someone was interested in how the boys were trained in Parkhurst I have among my vast information a diary about a boy that was there I am willing to pass it on as I was given it to How can I do this Curlie
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Hi Curlie,
Welcome to Rootschat
The various people who have posted on this thread will receive notifications in their email that there is a new post. I am sure that they will be along in the next little while to also welcome you and to ask further questions about the diary.
There's a Personal Message facility via RChat. You can then write private messages and send them to the interested RChatters. To use that PM facility you need to have made a minimum number of posts ... I think it is 3.
So just reply twice more on this thread .... eg "Hi" or "Thanks"
Cheers, JM
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Hello Curlie,
I was given some extremely invaluable help last year by two descendants of Thomas MATTHEWS in compiling his Biography as part of my research for a PhD on Parkhurst Prison 1838-1864 and the reform of juvenile offenders.
Your mention of a "diary" maintained by one of these offenders is interesting in that all the prison records for that period were destroyed by fire except for the year 1844, of which I have copies. Please let me know which particular boy and possibly we can take it from there.
For the moment,
Tony
PS: MAJM: Thank you for your PM
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Hi Curlie,
I am watching with interest, my wife is a descendant of Thomas Matthews ex Parkhurst Prison. Please keep me posted!
Hi Tony, I bet you are watching too!
Phil
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Hi Phil ... My husband was a descendant from William Matthews-and I think we were the first to research him ,started 1988 and was at a reunion in 1995? at the hall in Bullioh I know Carol and Malcom H. I live in Brisbane and husband Ross died last year
I know of no other Matthews that came on the same ship.
I think Amanda would be a desendant of Ruby and I have a photo of Alice and Jack Rapsey Most my later information came from Carol and includes letters about the school Mary started and also to the Education Department about stating a public school
Yes I must still have stories about the prison and how the boys were trained will take me a while to find it but I would not have thrown it out Happy to pass on any information and photo copy
I am new to this site so how do I go about sending my e-mail etc Happy to meet you all Curlie
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Hi all
Message for Tony Cocks,
I am also researching Parkhurst exiles for a PhD project - in particular Thomas Chapman who arrive on the 'Maitland' in November 1846 - and some related matters.
Could you get in touch by email please - I have sent you a personal message with the email address.
Thanks
Doug Wilkie
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Hello,
John MOTHERWAY, born 1833 in Gloucester to Irish parents William and Catherine, was transported to Port Phillip aboard the "Thomas Arbuthnot". He disembarked at Williamstown on 04/05/1847, disposal not known, and subsequently vanishes!!!
I have researched various BDM Indexes, TROVE, IGI etc. but the only MOTHERWAY entry uncovered was for a Mary Catherine born in Sydney sometime before 1890 (ex-IGI).
Any help appreciated.
BAC3
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Victorian Government Gazette October 28th 1856
List of unclaimed letters at the GPO at Melbourne, NOTING the list contains only letters received by ship from England, Foreign Countries and neighbouring Colonies, it does NOT contain letters posted in any part of the Colony of Victoria. .
Motherway, Margt.
Hope this helps somewhat ;)
Cheers, JM
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Hi Tony,
If you are still on this thread, I have just found out that my great great great grandfather is Francis Rushbrook!
Do you have his biography from your Phd available?
Kindest regards and thanks for your work,
Ben
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Hello Ben,
I noticed your entry on Convict Records of Australia for Francis RUSHBROOK but was unable to contact you except, presumably, through "Facebook" which I refuse to use. I do indeed have a Biography, which was originally prepared in November 2011 and contains three family photographs.
I am more than happy to send you a copy but will need your email address and that involves overcoming a slight problem of you confirming it through a confidential PERSONAL MESSAGE. First, you will need to satisfy the requirement of having a minimum three messages before the PERSONAL MESSAGE facility becomes available and I suggest you post 2 more messages merely saying, for instance, "Hello". That will then be the trigger. I hope this makes sense.
For the moment,
Tony
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Excellent, thanks Tony....
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Nice work Tony...
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Hi there, not sure if you are still interested in the Exiles but I am descended from Jonas Jennings who arrived on the Eden in 1849.
He was the 'maternal grandfather of the husband of my great-grandmother'.
I can send you some details via PM.
Just let me know
Regards
Rickey
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Hello Rickey,
Thank you for contacting me. I am very grateful.
Sadly, Jonas JENNINGS was not exiled from Parkhurst Prison, my especial interest, but Pentonville.
A pity in that tracing the "Parkhurst Boys" is such a difficult task.
For the moment,
Tony
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No worries - good luck with your continued research.
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Hello
Frederick Ward from The Thomas Arbuthnot is my interest.
Do you have anything? Such an interesting character. I followed his life here.
Maree
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Hello Maree,
I would love to be able to help but, unfortunately, Frederick WARD came from Pentonville Prison not Parkhurst Prison, which is my area of research. Maybe if you post a specific, individual message about him that could bring some interesting replies.
For now,
Tony