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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: Bikers Moll on Saturday 30 September 06 17:51 BST (UK)
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The above are the parents of my great grandfather, William Laurie who I think was born in 1837 in Gatehouse of Fleet. Other than the date of marriage of Robert and Janet (also know as Jane) which took place in 1834 in the Parish of Girthon, I've been very unlucky (so far) of finding out much more about the pair of them. Both Robert and Jane(t) were shown as deceased on William's marriage certificate in 1882 - Robert's occupation was shown as Mine Manager
Would appreciate anyone else searching for these two getting in touch.
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Hi Bikers Moll
Welcome to RootsChat!
The family is showing in the 1851 Census available to view free on line at www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx. It would seem that Janet wife and mother of William may have died by this date, given the ages of most of the children and Robert may have remarried a lady called Agnes?
LAURIE Agness, wife of Robert Laurie, 28, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Anne, daughter of Robert Laurie, WEAVER cotton, 14, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Elizabeth, daughter of Robert Laurie, 9, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE John, son of Robert Laurie, MINER 16, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Margaret, daughter of Robert Laurie, 1, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Robert, head, MINER, 38, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE William, son of Robert Laurie, 12, born Girthon Kbt
Address: 4 Swan Street, Village of Gatehouse(866)
Parish: Girthon Household No: 4/57
I also noticed there were Laurie families living at No.1 and No.3 Swan Street who may be related to Robert.
On IGI, there are only two children showing for Robert Laurie and Janet Lyons and the names and ages would correspond with the 1851 Census entry:
1. ANN LOURIE Christening: 20 MAR 1836 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
2. ELIZABETH LAWRIE Christening: 28 NOV 1841 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Regards.
Monica
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Also welcome :)
I see that you've been here since 2004 so you're and old hand ;)
The IGI had a possible baptism for Robert. It is a wee bit earlier than the 1851 suggests but census ages are not always accurate:
9 June 1808, Gatehouse. Parents John Laurie and Catherine Porter.
It is a patron submission so this would have to be checked against the Scotland's People site.
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
It would also be worth following up the family that Monica has foundin 1851 in later censuses. You would then be able to get a better approximation of Roberts death and obtain his death cert. This would show his parents.
All this is available on the SP site. It is pay to view but very reasonable and, unlike the Eng & Wales certs, the Scottish ones can be viewed and downloaded for about 6 units (1 unit = 20p).
Gadget
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Also welcome :)
I see that you've been here since 2004 so you're and old hand ;)
The IGI had a possible baptism for Robert. It is a wee bit earlier than the 1851 suggests but census ages are not always accurate:
9 June 1808, Gatehouse. Parents John Laurie and Catherine Porter.
It is a patron submission so this would have to be checked against the Scotland's People site.
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
It would also be worth following up the family that Monica has foundin 1851 in later censuses. You would then be able to get a better approximation of Roberts death and obtain his death cert. This would show his parents.
All this is available on the SP site. It is pay to view but very reasonable and, unlike the Eng & Wales certs, the Scottish ones can be viewed and downloaded for about 6 units (1 unit = 20p).
Gadget
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Oh dear, I screwed up. Gadget, I did join a couple of years ago then lost the thread. Today decided to "join" rootschat and discovered that my email address was current (I'm not a blonde - honest) but am rapidly becoming more and more "senior). So had to ask for a password reset
Excuse me, but how do I reply to two messages? The earlier one from yours makes sense but I don't know how to reply to two messages (or am I asking the impossible)?
I'm impressed at the very fast response - and have been offline for a wee while because OH took me out for a very nice dinner!
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Hi Bikers Moll
Welcome to RootsChat!
The family is showing in the 1851 Census available to view free on line at www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx. It would seem that Janet wife and mother of William may have died by this date, given the ages of most of the children and Robert may have remarried a lady called Agnes?
LAURIE Agness, wife of Robert Laurie, 28, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Anne, daughter of Robert Laurie, WEAVER cotton, 14, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Elizabeth, daughter of Robert Laurie, 9, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE John, son of Robert Laurie, MINER 16, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Margaret, daughter of Robert Laurie, 1, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Robert, head, MINER, 38, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE William, son of Robert Laurie, 12, born Girthon Kbt
Address: 4 Swan Street, Village of Gatehouse(866)
Parish: Girthon Household No: 4/57
I also noticed there were Laurie families living at No.1 and No.3 Swan Street who may be related to Robert.
On IGI, there are only two children showing for Robert Laurie and Janet Lyons and the names and ages would correspond with the 1851 Census entry:
1. ANN LOURIE Christening: 20 MAR 1836 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
2. ELIZABETH LAWRIE Christening: 28 NOV 1841 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Regards.
Monica
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Lucky old Liz. Nearest up here is an hour's drive away :D
You could just reply as one message, e.g.
Monica ----- xyz
Gadget ---- xyz
If you want to quote, you will see under the reply message box a list of previous messages, with an 'insert quote' in the top right corner - just click that and type your reply. Then, before pressing send, insert the other quote and reply to that. Then press 'send'
You can also edit out bits of the quote but I think we're getting into the 'How to use Rootschat'. Try that board for lots of tips :)
Gadget
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Got a "warning" that while I was typing there was a reply - totally flummoxed - at least for a while. I do hope I'm not doing this totally wrongly.
Gadget, I have a feeling that you're either psychic or psychotic - I do need to check out what I'm doing and thank you for the tip to the "how to".
I am, honestly, totally a newbie to this board - my forays in the past have been via Rootsweb email boards and my one time try at this was - not aborted so much as didn't get back to trying again. I won't be so shy in the future - nothing ventured, nothing gained and Monica has certainly given me food for thought.
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Well I'm not psychotic ::) ::) ::) ::) I have been told by many that I am psychic, so we'll agree to that, eh ;)
You'll get used to RC and all the messages. it's really very logical.
Think you should register with Scotlands People though - if you haven't already.
Gadget
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Thank you Gadget, I'll settle for psychic too. I have registered with Scotland's people (but haven't yet found the deaths of either Jane(t) or Robert).
No doubt when I get to my father's maternal side that will be more of a problem - they're Wallaces - and yes, dad does (or did, he is still alive but now suffering from Alzheimer's) say he was descended from Sir William and that it had been proven - he couldn't though give me documented proof. Oh, by the way, the claim was before the Alzheimer's - he did say that one of the family who had come "back from Canada" had traced the family - way, way back. I'll wait for my own proof first but when I told my son (who also now lives in Canada) that father said he was descended from Sir William, my son told his boss about the theory and she said to him "oh how great, you're a relative of Mel Gibson" - hmmnnnn - if Gibson were his real name it might be possible BUT ....
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As Jane/Janet - probably Jean as well - possibly died before 1855, you won't find a death reg for her. Scottish Registration began in 1855 not 1837. Forgive me if you knew that. It might be worth your while looking at Pam's postings at the top of the Scotland - General board:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
I do have the Girthon MIs but if there was no tombstone then she won't be listed. I'll have a look.
If you post the names, dates, etc. of the KKD ancestors then we'll all be happy to help you find them. I've got masses of stuff and there are some good online resources as well.
How close are you to an LDS Family History Centre?
Gadget
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I believe there is an LDS FHS in Carlisle but I also believe that it's only open when I'm at work - although I could, hopefully, sort something out for my holidays.
I have to say, I'm totally impressed at the amount of pointers offered and the welcome - thank you very much, I really do feel wecome and no-one has made me feel as though I'm "butting in"
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I don't think anyone is regarded as 'butting in' on Rootschat. You might have felt that on other fora but here we're mostly a happy, friendly bunch who try to help each other when we can :)
Incidentally - I found about your date of joining by clicking on the small box with the profile face in it under your name - it's a shortcut to your profile, which gives the date of joining, your user name, posting info, etc., etc.
See - I'm not even psychic ;)
Gadget
PS - checked the Girthon and Kelton MIs - no sign of Laurie or Lyon(s)
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Ha - clicking on small boxes is not really psychic is it - however, I'll still go with the psychic.
Yes, have had a bit of bad experience on other boards (not totally traumatic by any means and besides which, too long in the tooth for "trauma" in this context) but some boards can make you feel like an outsider. This one certainly hasn't, I already know that I won't be asking "stupid questions" - not knowing the answer doesn't make a question stupid.
My research, mostly, has been on my mother's English side - relatively new to Scottish research. However, am learning and hopefully, with pointers, will learn more and more. I have a fair bit on the Wallace side (thanks to research by family /recently still in Scotland - although I haven't met them in person, and nowhere near tracing dad's "related to Sir William" ). Granda's Laurie's though, at this point, seem elusive but after tonight, maybe they're not.
I believe I have committed the cardinal sin of pooh poohing what was before my own eye (or at least, I may have done) I had seen the census information that Monica pointed out but I did say to myself "wrong wife" - can't be mine. It really didn't occur to me that Jane(t) could have died earlier and those children were to a second wife - doh!!!
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Hi
I've had a look on SP for the death of a Robert Laurie (with variations) between 1855 and 1882. And then on the 1861 census. Nothing comes very close except a namesake in New Abbey who was a farmer with wife Isobel :(
So it looks like your Robert died 1851 -1855.
Gadget
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So it looks like your Robert died 1851 -1855.
Thanks for that Gadget, I guess it's Scotland's people and the OPR's ;D
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Problem is that there are no deaths on the OPRs. There are a few burial records for some parishes. There is a link to them on Pam's thread.
I did check the MIs and couldn't find any mention.
Gadget
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There is a Robert Lowrie listed in Girthon on the 1841 Census, aged 30 -34. Also with the same GROS ref are:
Jannet, 25 -29
John, 7
Ann, 4
William, 2
GROS Ref 866 - 36- 19
This is from 1 unit's info (20p). It would be worth your while viewing the census image itself.
Gadget
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Just found out for myself that there are no deaths listed on the OPR's (guess that gives me a good excuse to go to Edinburgh though at some point in the near future).
Just about to have a look at the census info.
I've found a marriage between Robert Laurie (Lawrie) and Agnes McNeil in Girthon on 5th April 1846 so it looks as though I'm getting somewhere (at least I hope I am).
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Glad you're finding something. Obviously Janet died between Nov 1841 and April 1846.
Any burial records (lair books) will probably be in Castle Douglas for Kirkcudbrightshire rather than Edinburgh. I had the same problem and visited there. Unfortunately, they didn't have records going back as far as I wanted :(
You might be able to pick up something from the Kirk Sessions Minute Books but don't bank on it. They are in Edinburgh.
Gadget
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It looks possible that living in No.1 and 3, next to Robert and family in the 1851 Census could be Robert Laurie's brothers:
LAURIE Margaret, daughter of William Laurie, 4, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE William, head of household, MINER, 40, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE William, son of William Laurie, 7, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Catherine, daughter of William Laurie, 6, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE David, son of William Laurie, 2, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Grace, daughter of William Laurie, 1, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE John, son of William Laurie, 9, born Dalry Ayrshire
LAURIE Margaret, wife of William Laurie , 30, born Kirkcudbright K
Address: 3 Swan Street, Village of Gatehouse(866) Parish: Girthon
LAURIE Agnes, wife of John Laurie, 36, born Balmaclellan Kb
LAURIE Agnes, daughter of John Laurie, 1, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Edward, son of John Laurie, 5, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE John, head of household, LABOURER general, 41, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Robert, son of John Laurie, 7, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE William, son of John Laurie, 13, born Girthon Kbt
Address: 1 Swan Street, Village of Gatehouse(866) Parish: Girthon
I think that Gadget's find on IGI for Robert's parents looks good (although as a submitted entry, the christening date does seem slightly out):
There are the children showing on IGI for a John LAURIE and Catherine PORTER:
1. WILLIAM LAURIE Birth: 1811 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
2. NANCY THORBURN LAURIE Birth: 27 MAY 1822 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
3. Robert Laurie Birth: 09 JUN 1808 Gatehouse Of Fleet, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
4. CATHARINE LAURIE hristening: 22 SEP 1828 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
5. ANNE LAURIE Christening: 16 APR 1820 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
6. JEAN LOUREY Christening: 28 MAY 1804 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
The girls' entries are all actual extracts, the boys' are submitted entries (may be something to do with only girls' records being loaded onto IGI for this period perhaps?).
There is an actual extract for what looks like parents' marriage:
JOHN LOWRIE Marriages: Spouse: CATHARINE
Marriage: AUG 1803 Kirkcudbright, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
There is also a submitted entry for this John's death on IGI, perhaps something to follow up to see where the precise date comes from:
John Laurie Death: 20 FEB 1832
Regards.
Monica
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That would fit with the baptism entry I found on the IGI for Robert in 1808 Monica. Patron submission though. I think the reference is about the third message on this thread.
There were 6 other Lowries on the 1841 in Girthon.
Interestingly, I have Porters in Girthon :)
Gadget
Oops - see you'd seen it - got buried in everything you've found.
Now if it was Balmaclellan, I have a 1790s census :(
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Just found a site that may be worth investgating for your family:
http://www.gatehouse-of-fleet.co.uk/history.htm
Gadget
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Just found a site that may be worth investgating for your family:
http://www.gatehouse-of-fleet.co.uk/history.htm
Gadget
Wow - brilliant, I can see that I'm going to be doing some exploring both via this site and in person - after all, it's only really a hop skip and a jump from Cumbria to Scotland
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You could take a boat even - that's how my gang got from KKD to Liverpool and thence to Wales :D
So far I haven't found anything on Jannet - some possibles in Ayrshire but :-\
Gadget
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It looks possible that living in No.1 and 3, next to Robert and family in the 1851 Census could be Robert Laurie's brothers:
Monica, I did try to thank you earlier for this but it hasn't shown up - don't know what I did wrong but I'm extremely grateful for the help.
Bikers Moll
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The idea of Robert being a (small) mine owner, might not have been far from the truth. I've just found this in Andrew McCulloch's Galloway, A Land Apart, Birlinn, Edinburgh (2000), page 467:
Lead, and to a certain extent copper, was also mined in the hills around Gatehouse, but the ores were soon exhausted, and the abandoned and waterlogged mines which are visible today bear silent testimony to the financial losses incured by a number of local people...
Might be worth doing a bit of scouting around the industrial history of the area.
Gadget - must go watch the football :)
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Hi Bikers Moll,
I tried to reply last week, but see that it must have disappeared into the ether ???
I am not researching the Laurie family, but through my McMurrays from Anwoth/Gatehouse of Fleet, do know something about an Elizabeth Laurie/Lawrie b. abt.1826 Tongland, d. 26 Apr 1898 at Killeron Mill, Anwoth. I do not know who her parents were, but perhaps you have an Elizabeth that fits the bill?
This Elizabeth married abt. 1847 to John McMurray, son of James McMurray and Margaret Sproat. Old James was a weaver and grave-digger in Anwoth, and although it is still a mystery as to how he was related to my McMurrays, I have followed this family and their children as far as possible on Scotlandspeople.
If you're interested, let me know!
Scatza
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Hi Scatza
Thanks for your message - unfortunately have been away on business (sometimes the "real" world gets in the way of what we really want to be doing)!
I do have an Elizabeth Laurie but she was born in the parish of Girthon in approximately 1841 (not sure what Parish Tongland comes under). Haven't yet got back to 1826 so there may well be another Elizabeth in there that I don't know about. I'll keep this one in mind.
Appreciate your input
Bikers Moll
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Hi all
I just joined this forum today after being cajoled by a friend I chat to.
What is it about Robert Laurie's, I too have one, he was married to Mary Irvine and it looks like he died even before the 1841 census, he could have hung on for at least another two years. ;D
Stew
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Hi Stew
Welcome to Rootschat :)
I hope you'll be pleased that you joined us. We're a mad bunch- see the Even Lighter Side - but we all try to help each other as much as possible.
If you need any help with your Robert Laurie, it might be worth starting a new thread by pressing 'New Topic' at the top of the Kirkcudbrightshire board.
Gadget :) :) :)
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Thanks for the welcome gadget
I will start posting some of my long losts shortly. My Robert Laurie wasnt from Kirkudbright tho, the family are in Lanarkshire, but he might have been born in Ireland. His wife was born in Liverpool a tricky lot these Lauries in the early 1800's :)
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Hi Stew, welcome from me too. I can testify that this is a great list (even though I can't, at the moment, get onto it as often as I'd like to). Never mind, redundancy/retirement looms at Christmas (and I'm old enough to be pleased about it) so I shall have much more time then.
I agree with you about the Laurie's, they're a tricky lot - wherever they are from.
Oh, note to gadget: My cousin was raking about in her loft and came across a share certificate. Robert's son, William, had bought 50 shares at £1 each in the Caly Mines Development Syndicate so your thoughts about Robert possibly being a small mine owner may not be far from the truth.
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Oh, note to gadget: My cousin was raking about in her loft and came across a share certificate. Robert's son, William, had bought 50 shares at £1 each in the Caly Mines Development Syndicate so your thoughts about Robert possibly being a small mine owner may not be far from the truth.
Meant to say, the date was 25th November 1908.
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Oh, note to gadget: My cousin was raking about in her loft and came across a share certificate. Robert's son, William, had bought 50 shares at £1 each in the Caly Mines Development Syndicate so your thoughts about Robert possibly being a small mine owner may not be far from the truth.
Meant to say, the date was 25th November 1908.
I have my uses ;)
£50 was a reasonable sum - even in 1908!
I'm semi-retired and I can recommend it. But a warning - you can get hooked on RC and it's darn difficult to break the habit :D
Gadget
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I'm semi-retired and I can recommend it. But a warning - you can get hooked on RC and it's darn difficult to break the habit :D
Gadget
I'm finding that out already. Just hope I've cracked this quote bit, I always seem to get it wrong ;D
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you laurie seekers may find something of interest at the following link,
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=slaurie3&recno=174
purlin
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Thank you purlin for the link, much appreciated :)
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Your very welcome, hope it helps, i have a Laurie on my tree but i dont think it links with yours.
ID: I691
Name: Alexander Jack LAURIE
Sex: M
Birth: 24 JUL 1856 in Cottack, Dunscore, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Note: Birth Record [GRO]
Note:
Father: George LAURIE b: ABT 1829 in Dunscore, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Mother: Margaret HUNTER b: ABT 1816 in Durisdeer, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
purlin
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HI
Not exactly looking for these but have quite alot of info on the Louries of Girthon, Gatehouse of Fleet as my Great, Great Great Grandad was William Laurie (Girthon Born 1817) who was married to a Margret stanhope.
I guess there might be a link somewhere
Regards Rob Laurie
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It looks possible that living in No.1 and 3, next to Robert and family in the 1851 Census could be Robert Laurie's brothers:
LAURIE Margaret, daughter of William Laurie, 4, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE William, head of household, MINER, 40, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE William, son of William Laurie, 7, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Catherine, daughter of William Laurie, 6, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE David, son of William Laurie, 2, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Grace, daughter of William Laurie, 1, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE John, son of William Laurie, 9, born Dalry Ayrshire
LAURIE Margaret, wife of William Laurie , 30, born Kirkcudbright K
Address: 3 Swan Street, Village of Gatehouse(866) Parish: Girthon
Hi Monica I am very intersted in these Lauries and was wondering if you could tell me the year that this information is relevant too.
The Laurie Family of Gatehouse of Fleet (Scotland) and Barrow in Furness (UK)
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/fhs/home.aspx?tid=684415
Regards Rob Laurie
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Hi Rob
Welcome to RootsChat :)
That census entry you refer to came from the 1851 census.
Monica
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Hi ALL
Can I jump in and say I am also looking for Lauries. In my case it is Alexander Laurie. He is known to have married Martha Clingan, on 7 Mar 1828 at Crossmichael. She was born Knockwalloch, KPD. A daughter was born probably in Crosmichael on 3 Dec 1828. Daughter died 18 mths later Old Greenlaw, Berwick. Martha also died at that place so am presuming family moved there at some early stage of the marriage. Hope this info is of use to someone - as well as me :-)
Ian Clingan
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Hello, I'm new here today. I am a descendant of John Laurie, married Jessie Mckinnell), son of William (Robert's brother?) and Margaret at No 3 Swan street as mentioned on page three of this subject.... do you know if they have their own thread (subject) here?. I am aiming to follow the male line as far back as I can initially and then the female one.