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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: plunquet on Wednesday 04 October 06 03:46 BST (UK)
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Last night I was reading through my ggrandfather's diary for 1855 and he mentions for the 19th of April that it was the date his father, the abovenamed Charles Cornelius Plunket, died in 1838.
Although he spent some time abroad in his younger days in the Swiss Regiment de Salis and in Malta in the Royal Regiment (as ensign 1804 then as lieut.1805) I believe he died in England but have no idea of whereabouts.
Can anybody give me any hints how/where I could search for a record of his death?
I'm new to this and I really wish I'd listened more to my mother!
Thanks
Plunquet
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Hi
If he died in England there is a good chance that the death was registered (though it was not a legal requirement until later) so you should look for the death certificate. You can search the index free on www.ancestry.co.uk. Choose the complete version not the freeBMD which is incomplete - though worth a look as it might be one of the ones they have transcribed so far. Wills are another option. Try the documentsonline site from the PRO and see if he shows up in the pre1858 wills they have online. Again it is not full coverage but you might be lucky.
Census records from 1841 onwards are also on ancestry but you have to pay to access those. Finding your ggrandfather on those might show where they lived.
Andrea
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Thanks for your help. I did find my ggrandfather James Plunket and his brother Charles on the 1841 census at Sedgley Park School but so far nothing about their father other than a reference to him in the Malta family history site.
Oh well, back to trying to think about some alternative way of finding him.
Thanks again!
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Hi
If you searched www.ancestry.co.uk as Sillgen suggested, did you notice that there is a Plunkett out of alphabetical order at the bottom of the page http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8966&iid=ONS_D18382NZ-0183&fn=&ln=Record+from+England+%26+Wales%2c+Death+Index%3a+1837-1983&st=d&ssrc=&pid=7800
It could be Charles, writing's a bit iffy, but the area is Southampton.
happy hunting
Bee :)
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Thank you Bee. I presume you mean the Charles Plinskett in Southampton in 1838? This could be a possibility as, although we have nothing definite he is reputed to have been at various times in that area.
Plinskett is such a funny name that when I googled it, google asked me if I didnt mean plunkett! It certainly didnt come up with anything.
I'm not sure where I should go from here. Will the record of his death tell me his wife and childrens names? That might be the only way I can confirm or eliminate him.
Thanks for your assistance.
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Hi Plunquet,
'Plinskett' :o is that what it said? ;D
No, a death cert won't tell you his wife and childrens' names, but with a bit of luck and a prevailing wind the person who is named as the informant of the death will be a relative, maybe even the wife.
It might be one these times when you just have to buy the certificate and keep fingers crossed that when it arrives it's the right one
good luck
Bee :)
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It will also hopefully give you an age at death, which will help with finding his birth. Also an address where he died, so you may want to find where he is buried.
You may need to take this a step at a time, or indeed you may have already done this. Do you know the date of birth and place of birth of his children? And from there his wife's maiden name and then date and place of his marriage, and age at marriage?
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If it were PLINSKETT, it wouldn't be indexed on the PLUMMER to PODD page.
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Thanks for the input Geoff.
I presumed it was plinskett because that was what I found when I trawled thru the site. I couldn't access the page Bee posted and I thought it was probably because I needed to pay and at the present moment on this computer I cant access secure sites. (need to get the security settings changed!).
So do you mean that she has found another Plunkett out of order?
I think I need to get this computer sorted so I can check!
btw even if the Plinskett isn't right it is an interesting name with no other obvious connections.
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So do you mean that she has found another Plunkett out of order?
There's a mark in the column of names indicating it should come between
PLUNKETT Augustin John
and
PLUNKETT John
Even increasing the size of the image to maximum, I can't be sure it says "Charles" (it could be, I think it begins with C)
The reference is Q2 1838 Southampton VII 137
The National Burial Index is no help ... it is very poor for Hants.
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Ahhh, that's the reference to the plinskett name I found. It does sound a distinct possibility as it is the right quarter and as I said there seem to be some links with Southampton. I shall order the certificate then...but actually can you tell me where I should get it from ie the GRO or the Hants record.
Thank you for your help.
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I shall order the certificate then...but actually can you tell me where I should get it from ie the GRO or the Hants record.
That's a matter of personal preference ... this is the online address for the GRO
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
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The reference is Q2 1838 Southampton VII 137
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Bear in mind that this reference is GRO's, you'll probably find that the Hants record office has a different reference number for the same certificate.
I don't know about Hants, but my local office sends certs by return of post but the downside of this is that though they are neatly typed, it is the typists version of what they see or think they see in the register. I prefer my certs from GRO as there is one less chance of a transcription error.
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Thank you all for your help regarding this death certificate. I have finally obtained a copy and tho it's difficult to read I am sure it is the right man.
Of course it doesnt help much because there is no info regarding parents or place of birth but it does describe his occupation as Count of the Holy Roman Empire! How can you find out about that?
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Count of the Holy Roman Empire! How can you find out about that?
try googling that phrase :D
not sure if you'll find mention of your relative, it's all a bit heavy going for this time of a morning,
Bee :)
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Of course it doesnt help much because there is no info regarding parents or place of birth but it does describe his occupation as Count of the Holy Roman Empire! How can you find out about that?
The Catholic Encyclopedia states:
"The titles range all the way from prince to baron inclusive, and are bestowed by the pope as temporal sovereign. The title ordinarily conferred is that of count prefixed to the family name, which title is either merely personal or transferable by right of primogeniture in the male line."
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In 1884 a possibly unrelated George Noble Plunkett was created a Papal Count by Pope Leo XIII for donating money and property to the Sisters of the Little Company of Mary, a Roman Catholic nursing order. No connection has been established to Charles Cornelius Plunket
What I have located so far:
Charles Cornelius Plunket was born about 1772 said to be of Waterford, Ireland.
On 31 Jan 1805 Charles married Harriet Villebois/Villebors/Villibers at Lymington, Hampshire. They had two children:
. Charles Francis Plunkett (1805 Malta – 1807 Malta) d.inf
. Harriet Maria Elizabeth Plunkett (1809 Malta – 1864)
Harriet Plunket nee Villebois died on 6 Oct 1821 at Rosehill House Milbrook, Southampton, Hampshire, England.
Charles Cornelius Plunket was married secondly in 1825 to Mary Josephine Green at Southampton, Hampshire, England. They had three children:
. Charles Thomas Cornelius Plunket (1826-1902) m. Mary Clara Mullaly (1823-1910) daughter of Thomas Mullaly (1791-1843 and Jane Hudson (1793-1858)
. James Francis Truman Plunket (1831-1917) m. Catherine Marie Prestage (1835-1917)
. Mary Jane Plunkett (1834-1916) m. Michael J Keogh (1827-1874) son of Ignatius Keogh (1772-1851) and Frances Arabella French (1790-1862)
Charles and James are styled as "Count" in their obituaries/BDM notices.
Charles Cornelius Plunket died 19 Apr 1838 aged 66 at Southampton, Hampshire, England.
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HI, I know its been 4 years, but did you get any further with the Plunket/t line.
I noticed I had some Plunkett in my tree the other day, but I am just starting.
Kind regards
Peter
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Hi Peter
Yes I did more work and the stories are now on my Fox Ancestry tree attached to Charles Cornelius Plunkett
I found the article where he is called a Count:
Advocate 7 Jun 1902 says of Charles Jnr:
"His father was Count Charles Plunket, an officer of the Royal Regiment of Malta, who served with distinction in the British and foreign service. His mother, who afterwards became Mrs. W. Furlong, was an accomplished musician, and from her he inherited his love for music, particularly that of a sacred character."
Then on the 1838 death certificate of Charles Cornelius Plunket his occupation was listed as follows. [see ROOTSCHAT]
"... regarding this death certificate I have finally obtained a copy and tho it's difficult to read I am sure it is the right man. Of course it doesn't help much because there is no info regarding parents or place of birth but it does describe his occupation as Count of the Holy Roman Empire!"
Another BDM notice for John Plunket, saying he was the son of Count James Francis Plunket of New Zealand, as follows:
Daily Herald Adelaide 29 Dec 1914
"Silver Weddings—Plunket—Rouvray.—At South Melbourne, 28th December, 1889, John Bernard Marie, second son of Count James Francis Plunket, of Merivale, Christchurch, New Zealand, to Eliza Frances, eldest daughter of James A. Rouvray, of Burnley, Melbourne."
So yes that is a bit further on the Plunket/t line
David