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Title: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Wednesday 04 October 06 18:45 BST (UK)
For over twenty years several of my family have tried to find the correct birth date of Charles Henry Baxter.  Born in Leicestershire circa 1867, father Benjamin Baxter (father's name confirmed from Charles's marriage certificate)  The family eventually moved to Leeds Yorkshire but it is not known if Charles Henry came with them.  His place and date of death are a mystery.  Said to have been Nottingham, Leicestershire and Leeds Yorkshire.  I have quite a lot of information on this family but have never found the dates for birth or death, and need them to obtain certificates.  Further information can be provided which may help but am reluctant to post this on the forum.  I would appreciate a private message if anyone is able and willing to help.  Regards Maeve
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry Baxter
Post by: irret on Wednesday 04 October 06 18:53 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat  :)
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
Don't know if you have seen this one?
Birth March quarter 1867 Charles Henry Baxter Barrow 7a 134
You can order and state fathers name Benjamin and if it is not the case they will not send and charge you £4 I think? :-\
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry Baxter
Post by: tazzie on Wednesday 04 October 06 18:58 BST (UK)


   Hi Maeve....

  Welcome to Rootschat...

  What is the last date that you have for Charles ..ie census date or date of wedding...this will give us the last place to work on to pin down the years


                                Tazzie
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry Baxter
Post by: Valda on Wednesday 04 October 06 19:04 BST (UK)
The Barrow birth is not him.

Births Mar 1867
Baxter  Charles Henry    Barrow  7a 134  
Deaths Jun 1867
Baxter  Charles Henry  0  Barrow  7a 85

I'm afraid what information people give on their marriage certificates about fathers doesn't 'prove'/'confirm' anything unless you have further evidence from other sources such as censuses etc. that the information is correct.

The 1871 census shows a Charles Baxter born in Ratcliffe Culey Leicestershire aged 6 is this your Charles?

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry Baxter
Post by: tazzie on Wednesday 04 October 06 19:10 BST (UK)



   Ok.... he marries in 1888 to an Emma...

  Fathers name given as Benjamin is the mother Sarah Ann? Do you know of siblings?

                       Tazzie
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry Baxter
Post by: Mike from Leicester on Wednesday 04 October 06 21:21 BST (UK)
Greeting’s.......

Here is the Transcript of Charles’s & Emma’s Marriage:-
 
St. Margaret’s Parish Church Leicester.
Entry No.304,  AUG 15, 1888, after Banns
Charles Henry Baxter, 23, Bach. Boiler Maker,
 Of No.13, D Court. Northumberland Yard, Northgate St,
Son. Of Benjamin Baxter, Moulder
Emma Gillen, 18, Spinster. Of  No.6, D Court, Northumberland Yard,
Northgate St, Dau. Of Martin Gillen, Finisher
Wits: Amos Youson, Louisa Youson.

The Charles Baxter in Rattcliffe Culey :-

Christening details
Charles Baxter
30th. March. 1866
Mother :- Mary Baxter.
No Father given.....

MIKE.
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry Baxter
Post by: tazzie on Wednesday 04 October 06 22:18 BST (UK)



   Hi...

  There are two Charles Baxter's b in Leicestershire in 1866 Q2

  Charles Baxter  Loughboro   7a 133

  Charles Baxter Leicester  7a 171

                                  Tazzie
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry Baxter
Post by: irret on Wednesday 04 October 06 22:22 BST (UK)
Great work Mike ;D
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry Baxter
Post by: Valda on Thursday 05 October 06 08:31 BST (UK)
The only family in the frame at present remains Tazzie's

1871 census RG10 3272 folio 110
153 Syston Street Leicester St Margaret  Leicestershire   
Benjamin Baxter 36 St Margarets, Leicestershire, Head  Married Green Grocer and Framework Knitter
Sarah Ann Baxter  35 St Margarets, Leicestershire, Wife Married
John Thos Baxter 12  St Margarets, Leicestershire,  Son 
Benjamin Baxter 10 St Margarets, Leicestershire, Son 
Charles Baxter 5  St Margarets, Leicestershire, Son 
Sarah Ann Baxter 1  St Margarets, Leicestershire,  Daughter 

The family appears to be missing from the 1881 census. Their son Charles is the 1866 birth registration in Leicester. A possible Benjamin Baxter junior is in Leicester in 1891 occupation - shoe rivetter. Possible marriage for Benjamin junior

Marriages Sep 1880
Baxter  Benjamin    Leicester  7a 249   
Smith  Hannah Elizabeth     Leicester  7a 249   


Deaths Dec 1871
Baxter  Sarah Ann  36  Leicester  7a 128

Potential remarriage for Benjamin senior

Marriages Sep 1872
BAXTER  Benjamin    Leicester  7a 292   
either
Horsley  Martha Mary     Leicester  7a 292
or 
Hunt  Mary Ann     Leicester  7a 292   

Perhaps Mike can find the details of these marriages to see what details of Benjamin senior's occupation/s are given and any addresses which might coincide with Charles Henry's on his marriage. That might help either eliminate the family or possibly connect it to Charles and make it worth further investigation.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry Baxter
Post by: tazzie on Thursday 05 October 06 09:37 BST (UK)



   Well I hav ebeen looking for this lot in 1881 and no sign of them...tried Baxter any...Baker any.....Charles b 1865/66/67....Benjamin.....

  Head spinning..as Valda has found Benjamin jnr still in Leicester in 1891 and he is still there in 1901.

 Charles & Emma and children still there in 1901.

    Stumped now sorry..

                       Tazzie
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry Baxter
Post by: tazzie on Thursday 05 October 06 09:56 BST (UK)



   Just to add....

 The possible second marriages that Valda found.....

  Martha Horsley married George Winterton found as family unit in 1881...

   That would leave Mary Ann Hunt .

              Tazzie
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry Baxter
Post by: tazzie on Thursday 05 October 06 12:27 BST (UK)



   Hi Maeve.....

  working on deaths for you...will pm some bits to you first..

                    Tazzie
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Mike from Leicester on Thursday 05 October 06 15:47 BST (UK)
Greeting Again Folks …..

There you Go……

Transcripts of those Marriages :-

St. Margaret’s Parish Church. Leicester.

 Entry No.273,  May 31, 1857, After Banns
Benjamin Baxter, 20, Bach. FWK, Of Grafton Place,
Son. Of James Baxter, Trimmer
Sarah Ann Measom,
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Dau. Of Charles Measom, Frame Smith
Wits: Charles Measom, Elizabeth Baxter.

And Again
St. Margaret’s Parish Church. Leicester.


Entry No.217,  Jul 28, 1872, After Banns
Benjamin Baxter, 33, Wid. FWK, Of Charlotte St,
Son. Of James Baxter, Trimmer
Mary Ann Hunt, 22, Wid. Of Rodney St,
Dau. Of Thomas Corbett, FW.K.
Wits: William Corbett,  Sarah Ann Bordoli.

F.W.K. = Frame Work Knitter.

Getting back to Charles Henry Baxter.
I think there is a clue to his birth place
In the 1891. Census returns  RG 12. / 2535. / 125. / Page. 32.
Place of birth given as
All Saints Parish Leicester.  
So….. When the Records Office opens again after renovations
22nd Oct I’ll trawl the Parish Registers to see what I can come up with

According to a PM from Maeve  Charles was involve with the Army
Which would explain his missing on the 1881 census (1st. Boar War 1880 ~81.)

MIKE.

UPDATED  

Here is Sarah Ann's Burial details
Welford Road Cemetery.
Names. / Dates./ Ages. / Last known address. / Parish.
Sarah Ann   28   Dec   1871   33   Syston Street   Saint Margaret   U   Q   1599   C   27332   Coroner's Warrant

U. = Un Consecrated Ground.
Q. = Section.
1599. = Plot No.
C. = Common Plot.
27332. = Burial No.


Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Thursday 05 October 06 16:20 BST (UK)
I cannot thank you all for the help you have given me.  If you do find anything else, please let me know.

Query regarding burial of Sarah Ann.

Buried in Unconsecrated Ground, Coroner's report.  Correct me if I am wrong but I was always told that in bygone days, only people who commited suicide or were not baptised at birth were buried in such a manner.  Unless she was a Witch, she would maybe have been burnt and buried at the crossroad.  I would love to find out why she was buried in such an uncaring manner.  Or, maybe they could not afford to have her buried by the Church.  My guess is suicide or unexplained death, mainly due to fact of Coroners report.  Regards Maeve
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: tazzie on Thursday 05 October 06 16:24 BST (UK)


  Well done Mike.....lots of information there.

 As per pm I wondered about  1st Boer war could he have lied about age then or would they have accepted him.

  The Charles I found in Leicester 1866 7a 171 is still looking promising.

 Have sent pm to Maeve of possible death of Charles Henry...fingers crossed.


                 Tazzie
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Thursday 05 October 06 16:27 BST (UK)
Hi its Maeve again

Regarding Army for Charles Henry Baxter.  Family gossips said that he was given a choice of going to Jail or joining the army. No idea what he had done to be given this ultimatum
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: tazzie on Thursday 05 October 06 16:38 BST (UK)




   Hi just a quick post script...to Mike's marriage of Benjamin and Mary Ann Hunt nee Corbett...   the witnesses marry each other in 1872 q4...still looking for all family in 1881 so using all clues....

                      Tazzie

Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Thursday 05 October 06 18:11 BST (UK)
By the nineteenth century, the Church’s attitude to the burial of suicides had begun to soften and through an Act of Parliament of 1823, such burials were permitted in graveyards, though the property of suicides was still subject to forfeiture for another fifty years.

The unconsecrated ground may just mean that Sarah Ann wasn't buried in the Anglican section of the churchyard but in the non-conformist section. If you couldn't afford the burial then you would be buried in a common grave. A great many burials in cemeteries were in common graves. You didn't have to be a pauper to end up in a common grave. Ordinary families often couldn't afford the price of a cemetery plot.

Her death could be a suicide, but in could equally be accidental or unexpected. Obtaining her death certificate would be the simplest way to find out how she died.

1716 I think was the date of the last witch executed in England (hanged not burnt). We never really got going on witch burning since the prefered method of execution was hanging. In comparison  to Europe relatively few witches were executed in England.


Marriages Jun 1869
CORBETT  Mary Ann    Leicester  7a 301  
Hunt  Charles Toplos     Leicester  7a 301

1871 census RG10 3276 folio 12
143 Bedford Street St Margaret Leicester Leicestershire  
Charles Hunt 21 Leicestershire, Head Married Bobbin Turner
Mary A Hunt 19 Hinckley, Leicestershire,  Wife Married Cotton Winder
Elizabeth Hunt  1 Leicestershire,  Daughter  

1891 census RG12 2530 folio 106
20 Rodney Street St Margaret  Leicester Leicestershire  
Thomas Corbett 78 Hinckley, Leicestershire,  Head Married F W K
Elizabeth Corbett  68 Hinckley Wife Married
John Corbett 31 Leicester,  Son Single Chimney Sweep
Mary A. Baxter 40 Hinckley, Leicestershire, Daughter Widow Cashmere winder
plus 4 boarders (who may or may not have something to do with Mary Ann judging from the 1901 census)

None of this helps with finding the Baxter family in 1881.

I presume the marriage of Benjamin junior in 1880 which would give a very convenient address did not take place at St. Margarets?

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Mike from Leicester on Thursday 05 October 06 22:05 BST (UK)
Greeting’s Again Folks……..

I think that Sarah Ann Baxter Died due to an epidemic of Influenza
Which was sweeping the City in those days.
22 burials in four days !!!!! (see difference between burial numbers )

Child burial found just FOUR days after Sarah Ann’s (Mother)
 and in the SAME plot U.Q. 1599.…..
 
Welford Road Cemetery.
Baxter   Sarah Ann   24   Dec   1871   2   Syston Street   Saint Margaret   U   Q   1599   C   27310   
Just spotted another one with plot No. U Q 1599.
 
Baxter   Ann Eliza   29   Jan   1867   3   Bedford Street   Saint Margaret   U   Q   1599   C   18221


I spoke to a Solicitor friend tonight.   
Re:-  Coroners Warrant.?
Not the same as Coroners Report, or Coroners Inquest.
All separate events.
Warrant. = Coroner request for evidence to be made available ( Medical reports etc.)
Inquest. =  Inquiring into how & why the death happened . ( eye witnesses etc )
Report. = Summing up. And conclusions as to the death based on the above.

MIKE.   

P. S.

Transcript of Marriage. Charles Toplos Hunt ~ Mary Ann Corbett.:-

St. Margaret's Parish Church.
Entry No.431,  MAY 16, 1869, after Banns
Charles Toplos Hunt, 19, Bach. Bobbin Turner, Of Bedford St,
Son. Of William Hunt, Brick Maker
Mary Ann Corbett, 18, Spinster. Of Bedford St,
Dau. Of Thomas Corbett, FWK
Wits: James Corbett, Emma Corbett.


Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Friday 06 October 06 07:39 BST (UK)
How about the eldest son's possible marriage Mike.

Births Jun 1858
Baxter  John Thomas    Leicester  7a 180

Marriages Jun 1875
BANBURY  Ada    Leicester  7a 395   
BAXTER  John Thomas     Leicester  7a 395

On the 1881 census John T and wife Ada were in Belgrave. John was a stoker in a cotton mill but aged 26. In 1891 still in Belgrave, he was Thomas a labourer aged 34 and by 1901 he was John T. a bricklayer's labourer aged 40 living in the St. Nicholas district of Leicester.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Friday 06 October 06 12:16 BST (UK)
It would seem that we must wait until Mike can get to the Registry Office to try and track down the actual date of birth of Charles Henry Baxter.  (Thanks Mike).  No nearer as yet as to the place and date of death of this elusive man, but as the "A" team are working hard on the subject, I am sure that one of you will come up with some suggestions. Thanks to all of you. The Scarlet Pimpernel comes to mind.  "They seek him here, they seek him there" etc.
 Maeve
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Friday 06 October 06 17:21 BST (UK)
Have you checked the quarterly General Registry online indexes

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx

for Charles' death? Unless you have and he hasn't been found I'm not sure there is a mystery there about Charles' death considering the information you have which seems specific about place and approximate date.

However I do think there is a bit of a question around what happened to Benjamin. I can't see his death in the GRO indexes.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: tazzie on Friday 06 October 06 17:37 BST (UK)



  Hi Valda....

 I sent Maeve one....

 Charles Henry Baxter  1916 Nottingham...thats possible as his sister  lived there he is age 56.....should be about 50 but 56--50 could be wrongly transcribed into the quarterlies  7b 338   q4 Nottingham.

                       Tazzie
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Friday 06 October 06 18:02 BST (UK)
Tazzie, there is some competition for possible Charles Henry Baxter deaths in Nottingham if the 1901 census is anything to go by.

1901 census - both living in Nottingham

Charles H Baxter single born Nottinghamshire son of Samuel and Eliza, aged 36, a stationary engine driver.

and

Charles Hy Baxter single born London son of Mary aged 40 a bricklayer

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: tazzie on Friday 06 October 06 18:34 BST (UK)


  Hi Valda....

  Thanks....don't know how I missed the other one I only had one come up to work on..

 Will keep going..

                      Tazzie
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Friday 06 October 06 18:44 BST (UK)
I believe from Maeve he was a witness to a marriage in 1917 (no exact date) in Hunslet, but dead (or at least claimed dead) by his daughter on her marriage 21st April 1924 also in Hunslet, though he was believed to have died in Nottingham.
So the window is 1917 to early 1924, but bearing in mind from the 1901 census you have a doppleganger (36 on the 1901 census) who could  potentially be in Nottingham and could have his death registered as Charles H. also.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Friday 06 October 06 21:12 BST (UK)
To the "A" Team from Maeve

Have actual marriage certificates of the following:
1920

28 Dec 1920 St Josephs Catholic Church Hunslet Leeds.

David Dunwell age 31 Bach.  Father William Dunwell
Married  Jessie Ethel Baxter age 27 Spinster.  Father Charles Henry Baxter.

Witnesses to marriage were:
Emma Baxter and Charles Henry Baxter

(The witness Emma Baxter (nee Gillen) could have been the wife of Charles Henry or his daughter of the same name).
No mention of father being deceased.Jessie Ethel Baxter was the daughter of Charles Henry and Emma (nee Gillen) Baxter, born in Leicester September 9th 1893

1924

21st April 1924 at St Josephs Catholic Church Hunslet Leeds

Alexander Edward Wilson age 21 Bach.  Father Jim Wilson (deceased)
Married Emma Baxter age 18 Spinster.  Father Charles Henry Baxter (deceased)

Witnesses to marriage were: Walter Baxter and Anne Barker

Emma was the daughter of Charles Henry and Emma (nee Gillen) Baxter.
She was born in Leicestershire on 2nd July 1905.  Died 10th June 1941 in Leeds.

This is the only certificate with confirmation that father Charles Henry Baxter is deceased

1925

15th August 1925 at St Josephs Catholic Church Hunslet Leeds.

Walter Baxter age 22 Bach.  Father Charles Henry Baxter
Married Annie Elizabeth Barker age 19.  Spinster.  Father Jonas Barker.

Witnesses to marriage were Gertrude Harrison and John William Baxter

Walter Baxter was the son of Charles Henry Baxter and Emma (nee Gillen) Baxter.  Born in Leicestershire 13th August 1902

Although the latter certificate is dated one year later than the previous one of his sister Emma Baxtetr, it does not state on this certificate that the father was deceased.  Could have been an oversite when filling in certificate.



Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: tazzie on Friday 06 October 06 21:36 BST (UK)



  Hi Maeve....

 So our window is now 1920 -1924...

  The witnesses are I take it Charles Henry b 1891
                                              Emma              b 1905

  So will go through again....

  The Charles Baxter in Birkenhead age 56 died 1923 is now discounted as well have him there in 1901 right age of 34.

                                           Tazzie
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Mike from Leicester on Saturday 07 October 06 03:06 BST (UK)
Greeting’s Again Folks…..

Oh My…… The plot thickens !!!! 
I’ve gone back wards for Benjamin Baxter.
How many different Women are in charge of Benjamin ?...

1841. Census.
HO 107 / 604. Book 12. / Folder. 31. / Page. 5.
St. Margaret’s Parish with Bishop’s Fee.. Leicester.
Woodboy Street.= ( Birth Street for “ Geo. Merrick The Elephant Man “ )

George Warner. 15.
HARRIET. Baxter. 25. Independent Means.
Benjamin Baxter. 4.
Elizabeth Baxter. 4 Months Old.
All born within the Borough of Leicester.

1851. Census.
Via Ancestry Key Surname = BARTER.
My Disk = Baxter. As per below.

HO 107 / 2088 / 666 / Page. 3.
St. Margaret’s Parish.
Woodboy Street
No. 5. Goodards Yard.
HANNAH   Baxter   Head   W   28   F   Household Affairs   LEI   LEICESTER
Benjamin   Baxter   Son   U   14   M   Winder Boy   LEI   LEICESTER
Elizabeth   Baxter   Dau   U   10   F   Seamer   LEI   LEICESTER
William   Baxter   Son   U   6mths   M      LEI   LEICESTER
William   Baines   Lodger   U   40   M   Frame Knitter   LEI   NARBOROUGH

1861. Census.
GR 9. / 2288. / 103. / Pages. 11. ~12.
St. Margaret’s Parish
Ecclesiastical District Christchurch.
No. 12. Upper George Street.

Benjamin Baxter. Head. Mar. 24. Stocking  FWK. b Leicester.
Sarah A. Wife. 23. Charwoman. b ditto.
John Thomas. Son. 2.  b Ditto.
Benjamin. Son. 3 Months Old..

That lest Benjamin kept to a birth date of 1837 through out  Censuses.

We have 71. 91, & 1901. Returns but not 81.
just wonder if as Mother had died 1871.
The family was split up so might not even have been recorded where ever they were ?

I did try and find that Marriage (John Thomas Baxter ~ Ada Banbury 1875.)
But drew a blank ….
So….. Not St. Margaret’s Parish Church. ..Sorry.

Also trawled Death’s via Ancestry 1919. ~ 1825
But drew a blank  for our Charles Thomas
Even tried my N.B.I. 1825 ~ 2000.
But only one for Charles Thomas showed up
But aged just 10 weeks in Lincolnshire.

Just wonder if Benjamin (Snr) was also involved with the Boar War as well ?
But never came back…… Hence no burial details found in England ?

MIKE.

BTW….
Spoke to a Head Librarian of the Records Office tonight
All seems to be going well should open week beginning 22nd Oct.

 

Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Saturday 07 October 06 09:58 BST (UK)
Seems a little old to join the army in your early 40s or at best late 30s if Benjamin joined in the middle 70s.

Even if Benjamin's birth was missed by the civil registration as it was just too early, you have his full and half siblings' births.

Births Mar 1841
Baxter  Elizabeth     Leicester  15 87

Births Sep 1850
Baxter  William Hames     Leicester  15 114

I think the lodger in 1851 was probably William Haines not Baines (though the census image is definitely Baines) and William born 1850 was his son.

Marriages Jun 1854
Baxter  Hannah    Leicester  7a 321   
Haines  William     Leicester  7a 321   

plus another son

Births Mar 1853
Baxter  Joseph Thomas Haynes     Leicester  7a 184

1861 census RG9 2290 folio 37
3 Goddards Buildings Belgrave Court Leicester St Margaret  Leicestershire 
William Haines 50  Hull, Yorkshire, Head Married Stocking Frame Knitter
Hannah Haines  48 Leicestershire,  Wife Married   
William Haines 10  Leicestershire,  Son   
Joseph T Haines  8 Leicestershire, Son 

The possible and convenient death of Hannah's first husband James on the GRO index isn't when checked against the NBI

Deaths Mar 1841
BAXTER  James     Leicester  15 65

as James was aged 2 according to the NBI for St Nicholas Leicester.

So James Baxter seems to have disppeared as well (obviously a blackhole in Leicester where all male members of this family disappear into!)

Possible first marriage

JAMES BAXTER 
HANNAH TEBBUT 
Marriage:  25 DEC 1835   Saint Margaret, Leicester

The details of the second marriage would confirm or eliminate the first.

Despite the changes in birthplaces either this is them in 1871 or a family of dopplegangers.

1871 census RG10 3287 folio 36
60 Norfolk Street Leicester St Mary  Leicestershire 
Hannah Haines  56  Coleorton, Leicestershire, Head Married Laundress
George Neal  25 Narborough, Leicestershire,  Nephew  Farm Servant 
William Haines 20 Huncote, Leicestershire,  Son Groom
Thomas Haines 17 Knighton, Leicestershire,  Son  Warehouseman

George Neal appears to be on the Haines side of the family as he was lodging with other Haines in 1861.

I can't easily see Hannah on the 1881 census (no surprise there then) if she was still alive and the 1871 census is a correct entry and or she didn't remarry of course. This might be her burial - only possible I can find.

18th April 1888 Hannah Haynes aged 73 Welford Road Cemetery Leicester.

I can't see a candidate for this woman on the 1881 census.

Perhaps Mike can find an address for this burial or details of the Hannah marriages or baptisms of any of the children?

I haven't done a thorough search for the death of William Haines on the principle he might just be as difficult to find as James and Benjamin Baxter, or he could of course be in the same cemetery plot as Hannah! If she is the correct woman let's hope others are buried with her.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Saturday 07 October 06 19:05 BST (UK)
I must say that this is better than watching the "Who Dunits" on TV.  Some information on the Benjamin Baxters, I have the actual certificates.

1861Birth Certificate of  Benjamin Baxter.
January 9th 1861 Leicester
Father Benjamin Baxter, occupation Stocking Frame Knitter.
Mother Sarah Ann Baxter (nee Measom)

1890 Birth Certificate of Amos Benjamin Baxter
January 13th 1890 Leicester
Father Benjamin Baxter, occupation Shoe Rivetter
Mother Hannah Elizabeth Baxter (nee Smith)

1916
Marriage Certificate of Amos Benjamin Baxter,
Marriage took place at the Register Office Hunslet Leeds on
28th December 1916
Amos Benjamin Baxter age 26 Bach.  Occupation Blacksmith's Striker.  Father Benjamin Baxter (Deceased)
Married Ada Booth age 27 Widow.  Father Benjamin Wagstaff (Deceased)

1959

Death Certificate of Amos Benjamin Baxter

Amos Benjamin Baxter died in Chapel Allerton Hospital Leeds on May 2nd 1959.  States on certificate that he was an Army Pensioner.

Also have certificate for marriage of a Benjamin Baxter

1880

September 20th 1880. Leicester
Benjamin Baxter age 20 Bach.  Occupation Trimmer.  Father Benjamin Baxter, his occupation was also Trimmer
Married Hannah Elizabeth Smith age 17 Spinster.  Father (looks like Ernest or Arnold) Smith.  Occupation Trimmer.

By now I have lost the plot.  So many Benjamins and Charles Henry Baxters it is like a mine field.  Maeve
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Saturday 07 October 06 19:27 BST (UK)
Is there an address for Benjamin Baxter junior on his marriage in 1880?

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Saturday 07 October 06 19:52 BST (UK)
There is but extremely difficult to read.  Looks like:
So*r Lane (perhaps Soar Lane).  Marriage took place at The Parish Church in the Parish of All Saints Leicester.
Maeve
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Sunday 08 October 06 10:14 BST (UK)
Just received this information from relative.
Children of Benjamin Baxter and Hannah Elizabeth Smith.

Married in Leicestershire 1880.

Mary Baxter born circa 1884 - no address given
Lydia Baxter born circa 1887 - no address given
Amos Benjamin Baxter born 13 Jan 1890.  (Address given is 6 Pasture Lane Leicestershire

No need to persue children Mary and Lydia as they are well documented as to marriages and children. Hope this helps.  Maeve
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Sunday 08 October 06 10:22 BST (UK)
Soar Lane on the 1881 census goes from RG11 3178 folio 108 page 22 to folio 110 page 25. Numbers 6 & 8 Soar Lane are missing with no explanation whereas number 1 is stated as uninhabitated.

There is also Mill Yard Soar Lane at RG11 3179 folio 64 page 23

All in the All Saints area of Leicester

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Sunday 08 October 06 11:15 BST (UK)
Benjamin junior like his brother John Thomas is relatively easy to follow on later censuses.

1891 census RG12 2535 folio 86
6 Pasture Lane St Margaret Leicester  Leicestershire   
Ben Baxter 32Leicestershire, Head Married Shoe rivetter
Annie Baxter 28 Leicestershire,  Wife Married
Mary A Baxter 8 Leicestershire, Daughter 
Liddy Baxter 4 Leicestershire, Daughter   
Amos Baxter 1 Leicestershire, Son 

1901 census RG13 2986 folio 154
18 Cumberland Street Leicester formerly All Saints  Leicestershire   
Benj Baxter  43 Leicestershire, Head Married Plasterer's labourer
Hannah Baxter  38  Leicestershire, Wife Married Wool ?bler
Lydia Baxter 17  Leicestershire, Daughter
Amos Baxter 11  Leicestershire,   Son 

Births Mar 1890
Baxter  Amos Benjamin     Leicester  7a 232

Births Sep 1884
either
Baxter  Lydia     Leicester  7a 287
or 
Baxter  Lydia     Leicester  7a 306

Births Sep 1882
Baxter  Mary Ann     Leicester  7a 275

This is I think the marriage of Benjamin senior's second wife. A late marriage considering the evidence of the 1891 and 1901 censuses which might indicate Mary Ann was unsure of her legal husband Benjamin's whereabouts?

Marriages Jun 1901
Baxter  Mary Ann    Leicester  7a 643   
Timson  Bryan     Leicester  7a 643

Full 1891 census entry including boarders

1891 census RG12 2530 folio 106
20 Rodney Street St Margaret  Leicester Leicestershire   
Thomas Corbett 78 Hinckley, Leicestershire,  Head Married F W K
Elizabeth Corbett  68 Hinckley Wife Married
John Corbett 31 Leicester,  Son Single Chimney Sweep
Mary A. Baxter 40 Hinckley, Leicestershire, Daughter Widow Cashmere winder
Bryan Timson  53 South Crotton?, Leicestershire, Boarder Widower Labourer Bricklayers
Bryan Corbett 5 Leicestershire, Son   
Jane Corbett 2 Leicestershire, Daughter 
Flora Corbett  2mths Leicestershire, Daughter   

1901 census RG13 3005 folio 182 & 183
21 Knighton Street Leicester formerly St Mary  Leicestershire 
Bryan Timson  64 Leicestershire, South Croxton Head  Widower Road Labourer Corporation
Mary A Baxter  49  Leicestershire, Hinckley Lodger Widow
Charles B Timson  20 Leicestershire, Leicester, Son Shoe rivetter
Bryan Baxter 15 Leicestershire, Leicester, Son  Shoe rivetter
Jane Baxter  12  Leicestershire, Leicester,  Daughter 
Flora Baxter 9  Leicestershire, Leicester,  Daughter 
Mary A Baxter  7  Leicestershire, Leicester,  Daughter 

Births Mar 1886
BAXTER  Bryan     Leicester  7a 259

Births Sep 1888
BAXTER  Jane     Leicester  7a 206

Births Mar 1891
BAXTER  Florrie     Leicester  7a 267

Births Dec 1894
Baxter  Mary Ann     Leicester  7a 172

I've no idea whether these Corbett/Baxter/Timsons continued on as Baxters or chose to become Timsons after their mother's marriage. What is clear is that Mary Ann was no longer with Benjamin Baxter by at least no later than the year 1885.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Sunday 08 October 06 11:44 BST (UK)
Thank you Valda

The Baxter clan do seem to have a history of vanishing, continuing to the present day.  Several recent relatives have vanished without trace.  Must be an inherited family trait. 

My first confirmed Baxter is :

William Baxter born circa 1781 in Castle Donnington Leicester.  Spouse Ann Ball born circa 1781, no place of birth.

Family seemed to believe that the Baxter clan originated in Scotland but no trace of Scottish births ever found.  I believe this to be wishful thinking as the name Baxter is of Scottish origin.

I am waiting eagerly for Mike to visit Registry office in Leicestershire when it opens in late October.
Maeve
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Sunday 08 October 06 12:47 BST (UK)
Just as a matter of interest how have you proved who James Baxter's parents were??

He was a trimmer (as in coach trimmer?)
Possibly married Hannah Tebbut in 1835 in Leicester - but not sure that's proved.
He didn't make it to the 1841 census and there seems to be no burial for him, so no known age at death, so he could have been any age on marriage.

What other evidence is there that you know of James that enables you to conclusively prove his origins?

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Sunday 08 October 06 13:45 BST (UK)
Following is the file so far on William Baxter and spouse Ann Ball and children.  This information was given to me by a contact who was also researching the family.  Long time ago.
I do not have documentary evidence for William or Ann.

William Baxter born in Castle Donnington Leicester circa 1781
Spouce
Ann Ball.  No place of birth or any other information.

Children of this marriage said to have been:

Thomas Baxter.  Born 1802.  No place of birth.  Spouse Mary
Elizabeth Baxter. Born 1807.  No place of birth.
John Baxter.  Born 1810.  No place of birth.  Spouce Mary
Mary Baxter.  Born 1811.  No place of birth.  Spouce William Somerfield.
Charles Baxter. Born 1812.  No place of birth.  Spouce Ann
Sarah Baxter. Born 1814 . No place of birth.
Harvey Baxter.  Born 1817.  No place of birth.  Spouce Mary
James Baxter.  Born 1818.  No place of birth.  Spouce Hannah Tebbut.
Hannah Baxter. Born 1820.  No place of birth.
Lydia Baxter. Born 1824.  No place of birth. Two spouce. Samuel Bagualy and William Gibson. (Lydia also had two illegitimate children prior to marriage, father not known)

Record of marriage between James Baxter and Hannah Tebbut.  Leicester St Margarets record 1835 (Oct-Dec qtr) No other information, nor do I hold actually certificate)

1851 census for Leicester City Piece 2088 folio 666
No address given
Hannah Baxter      Head of Household age 28(?)
Benjamin Baxter    Son age 14
Elizabeth Baxter    Dau age 10
William Baxter       Son age 6 months

1881 census for Leicester.  address Loughborough Road Kegworth.

James Baxter     Head age 54 Born Kegworth Leicester.  Occ Road Laborer
Hannah Baxter   Wife age 48 Born Kegworth Leicester.  occ Lace Minder

Maeve
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Sunday 08 October 06 15:17 BST (UK)
Sorry Maeve but there is absolutely no proof in that information that this James Baxter

JAMES BAXTER   
Christening:  16 FEB 1818   Castle Donnington, Leicester
Father:  WILLIAM BAXTER 
Mother:  ANN 

was the father of Benjamin Baxter in Leicester and at any time a coach trimmer.

The above baptism was the only baptism found in the IGI for a James Baxter in the Castle Donnington parish registers - coverage on the IGI 1813 - 1865

1851 census HO107 2087 folio 633
Barkby  Leicestershire 
James Baxter  30 Castle Donnington, Leicestershire, Agricultural Servant 

Father William Baxter was still in Castle Donnington on the 1841 census an agricultural labourer.

James born Donnington was a widower in 1861 living in Ripley Derbyshire with his nephew William's family. Both men were labourers. William was aged 27 and born in Donnington.
Besides this Baxter household in Ripley in 1861 there was also George, who appears to be James' brother

GEORGE BAXTER 
Christening:  03 JUN 1822   Castle Donnington, Leicester
Father:  WILLIAM BAXTER 
Mother:  ANN 

George was aged 41 and a grocer born Castle Donnington, living in Ripley with his wife.

'The file' appears to be more about finding a baptism for a James Baxter in Leicestershire on the IGI then a marriage for a James Baxter in Leicestershire and putting them together, with an 1881 census thrown in for another James Baxter born Kegworth simply because he also was born in Leicestershire and had a wife called Hannah (well at least in 1881 - she may have been his second wife)!

If it were that simple and we could ignore the fact that the IGI is a very incomplete index of parish registers and that if you find a baptism it must make it the right one, just because it is found and others are not -  than researching family history would be much more of a doddle.

I actually think proving who Benjamin's father actually was will probably prove to be very tricky for all the reasons I gave previously.

The first step would be proving Hannah Tebbut was Benjamin's mother. The information from her second marriage will prove whether her maiden name was Tebbut. If it was you then need the full details of the 1835 marriage in the hope it provides some clues e.g. names of witnesses. The marriage took place before civil registration (therefore  no quarters) so there will be no information about the couples' fathers.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Mike from Leicester on Tuesday 24 October 06 23:53 BST (UK)
Greeting’s Again Folks …..

Sorry just noticed request for burial details of Hannah

Welford Road Cemetery

Names. / Dates. / Ages. / Last known address. / Parish.

Haynes   Hannah   18   Apr   1888   73   Martin Street   Saint Margaret   U   P   309   C   61727

U. = Unconsecrated Ground.
P. = Section.
309.= Plot No.
C. = Common Plot.
61727. = Burial No.
NO other Haynes are interned with Hannah.

MIKE. ( Due to visit Records Office within the next 48 Hours )

The Occupation of "Trimmer" can relate to the Boot & Shoe trade.
which was one of the main trades in Leicester.
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Wednesday 25 October 06 06:32 BST (UK)
That would make it this woman

1881 census RG11 3167 folio 24
94 Martin Street Leicester St Margaret  Leicestershire   
Hannah Haines  64 Clay Coten, Northamptonshire,  Head Widow Laundress
Richard Haines 32 Stoney Stanton, Leicestershire, Son Married Framework knitter
Martha Haines  23 Clay Coten, Northamptonshire, Sister Laundress 
William Haines  9 Leicestershire,  Grandson


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Mike from Leicester on Thursday 26 October 06 23:44 BST (UK)
Greeting’s Again Folks ………

Mixed results I’m sorry to say ……

Trawled Parish Christenings Registers :-

All Saints Parish Church 1857 ~ 78.
But NO sign of Charles Henry Baxter.
Also checked out :-
St. Nicolas Parish Church.1862 ~80.
St. Luke’s Parish Church 1862. ~ 1882.
 ( St. Matthew’s Estate for Martin & Syston Street )

BUT…. Found these Interesting one’s seems like a Multi Christenings
St. Margaret’s Parish Church.
Pages 386. ~ 387. 
Entry No. 3087.
Anne Eliza. Daughter of Benjamin & Sarah Ann Baxter.
Entry No. 3088.
Benjamin. Son of Benjamin & Sarah Ann Baxter.
Entry No 3089.
John. Son of Benjamin & Sarah Ann Baxter.

All have the following details
Same Date:- March 20th. 1865.
Address :-  Grosvenor Street.  
Father’s Occupation :-  Frame Work Knitter.
E. Bradley. Assistant Curate. 

So was Benjamin going for buy two……. get one Free ?  ;D

I’ll continue with the search next week
There is another Three Churches which made up St. Matthews Estate 

Sorry Again…… I did not nail Charles for you.  :(

MIKE.

Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Friday 27 October 06 10:25 BST (UK)
Hello again to the "A Team"

This Charles Henry is certainly a mystery. 

Ref: Mike Page 1 Wed 04 Oct 06
Marriage certificate details of Charles Henry Baxter's marriage to Emma Gillen/
These details are correct as I have the actual certificate.

Ref: Valda Page 1 Wed 04 Oct 06
Suggested birth date of Charles Henry Baxter.  Barrow 7A 134

Would you agree that it might be worth sending for this birth certificate, giving details of father and mother? At least if we get a confirmed date of birth it would give something to go on. 
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Friday 27 October 06 11:52 BST (UK)
I would wait to see whether Mike can find the baptism next week in the other churches.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Friday 27 October 06 19:45 BST (UK)
I have just been entering some of the information Mike obtained regarding Baptism dates.

I have the following in my files:

Benjamin son of Benjamin and Sarah Ann Baxter
born abt 9 Jan 1861 Leicester

John, son of Benjamin and Sarah Baxter
born abt 1859 Leicester

DID NOT HAVE IN MY FILES
Anne Eliza Baxter daughter of Benjamin and Sarah Baxter.

 It would seem that Mike has found a new relative for me.
As the first two were born before baptism date of March 20th 1865 perhaps the children were baptised in one job lot, after the birth of Anne Eliza. This could possibly give a date of around 1865 for Ann Eliza.  I dread to think how many more of the Baxter children there are in this family. Thanks Mike
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Mike from Leicester on Saturday 28 October 06 06:00 BST (UK)
Greeting’s again Folks…..
 
Not too sure Barrow was a BIG District
Just look at all the villages within the district
So the Charles Henry Baxter Christening
Jan.~ Feb.~ March  1867. 7a. 134.
Could very well have not been in the village of Barrow Upon Soar it’s self ? 


BARROW UPON SOAR REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Leicestershire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.10.1949 (succeeded by Leicestershire Central, Loughborough and Market Bosworth districts).
Sub-districts : Anstey; Barrow upon Soar; Mountsorrel; Quorndon; Rothley; Sileby; Syston.
GRO volumes : XV (1837-51); 7a (1852-1946); 3A (1946-49).
Township or Civil Parish   County   From   To   Notes
Anstey   LEI
1837   1949   
Anstey Pastures   LEI
1837   1935   after 1935 see Anstey; Glenfields (in Blaby district)

Barkby   LEI
1837   1949   
Barkby Thorpe   LEI
1837   1949   
Barrow upon Soar   LEI
1837   1949   
Beaumont Leys   LEI
1837   1935   after 1935 see Anstey; Leicester (in Leicester district); Thurcaston
Beeby   LEI
1837   1949   
Belgrave   LEI
1837   1895   transferred to Leicester district on 1.6.1895
Birstall   LEI
1837   1949   
Bradgate Park   LEI
1837   1884   after 1884 see Ulverscroft; Newtown Linford; Anstey
Burton on the Wolds   LEI
1937   1949   transferred from Loughborough district on 1.1.1937
Cossington   LEI
1837   1949   
Cotes   LEI
1937   1949   transferred from Loughborough district on 1.1.1937
Cropston   LEI
1837   1935   after 1935 see Cropston
Gilroes   LEI
1837   1935   after 1935 see Leicester
Hoton   LEI
1937   1949   transferred from Loughborough district on 1.1.1937
Leicester Abbey   LEI
1837   1895   transferred to Leicester district on 1.6.1895
Leicester Frith   LEI
1837   1935   after 1935 see Leicester (in Leicester district); Glenfields (in Blaby district)

Maplewell Longdale   LEI
1837   1884   after 1884 see Woodhouse
Mountsorrel   LEI
1884   1949   before 1884 see Mountsorrel South End; Mountsorrel North End; Rothley Temple
Mountsorrel North End   LEI
1837   1884   after 1884 see Mountsorrel; Barrow upon Soar
Mountsorrel South End   LEI
1837   1884   after 1884 see Mountsorrel
Newtown Linford   LEI
1837   1949   
North Thurmaston   LEI
1837   1903   after 1903 see Thurmaston
Prestwold   LEI
1937   1949   transferred from Loughborough district on 1.1.1937
Queniborough   LEI
1837   1949   
Quorndon   LEI
1837   1949   
Ratcliffe on the Wreake   LEI
1837   1949   
Rearsby   LEI
1837   1949   
Rothley   LEI
1837   1949   
Rothley Temple   LEI
1837   1884   after 1884 see Rothley; Mountsorrel
Seagrave   LEI
1837   1949   
Sileby   LEI
1837   1949   
South Croxton   LEI
1837   1949   
South Thurmaston   LEI
1837   1903   after 1903 see Thurmaston
Swithland   LEI
1837   1949   
Syston   LEI
1837   1949   
Thrussington   LEI
1837   1949   
Thurcaston   LEI
1837   1949   
Thurmaston   LEI
1903   1949   before 1903 see North Thurmaston; South Thurmaston
Ulverscroft   LEI
1837   1949   
Walton on the Wolds   LEI
1837   1949   
Wanlip   LEI
1837   1949   
Woodhouse   LEI
1837   1949   
Wymeswold   LEI
1937   1949   transferred from Loughborough district on


Maeve...... Your very welcome to those details
it's what this site is all about

MIKE.
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Valda on Saturday 28 October 06 08:11 BST (UK)
Deaths Mar 1867
Baxter  Ann E  3  Leicester  7a 123

this could be the birth registration to go with the death registration

Births Dec 1863
Baxter  Hannah Eliza     Leicester  7a 187

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Mike from Leicester on Sunday 29 October 06 20:51 GMT (UK)
Greeting’s Again Folks ….

Transcript of Ann E Burial details
Welford Road Cemetery
Names./ Dates. / Age. Last known Address, / Parish.:-
BAXTER   Ann Eliza   29   Jan   1867   Aged 3   Bedford Street   
Saint Margaret   U   Q   1599   C   18221

Also within the same plot :-
BAXTER   Sarah Ann   28   Dec   1871   Aged 33   
Syston Street   Saint Margaret   U   Q   1599   C   27332   CORONER'S WARRANT

BAXTER   Sarah Ann   24   Dec   1871   Aged 2   
Syston Street   Saint Margaret   U   Q   1599   C   27310
 
CORONERS WARRANT. =
A request from the coroner for medical records to be ready in time for the Inquest

MIKE.
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: JeanH on Wednesday 27 December 06 01:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Mike
Thank you for your continuing efforts on my behalf in the search for Charles Henry Baxter.  It seems we are no nearer tracing this person  than we were at the start of the quest. 

He really is an elusive man.

  Have you any other suggestions as to any other avenues we have not tried?  To all the people who have assisted in this search, have a lovely time over the festive season.  Regards Maeve
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: trewinb on Sunday 22 May 16 15:19 BST (UK)
Eight years have gone by but I have just stumbled on this discussion and it parallels a search I have been doing: a search for the ancestors of Thomas Baxter. The information known to us is that he was born in Leicester circa 1825 and following an army career settled in Canada, where he died in Hamilton, Ontario in 1901. His eldest son was named Joseph (my great-grandfather).
I have found a likely candidate in a christening of a Thomas Baxter in St Margarets on 08 February, 1826. Father: Joseph Mother Jane. There is also an army record which I have not been able to obtain of a Thomas Baxter, born 1826, St Margarets, Leicester.

Any help would be appreciated as, from a distance, I cannot seem to find a trace of Joseph and Jane.
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Annie65115 on Sunday 22 May 16 16:28 BST (UK)
The following baptisms are listed for Joseph and Jane Baxter's children, all at St Margaret:

BAXTER   MARY                   1817   04-May   
BAXTER   EDWARD                   1823   21-Sep   
BAXTER   THOMAS                    1826   08-Feb   
BAXTER   ELIZABETH MARY       1829   18-Sep   
BAXTER   AGNES                   1834   19-Feb   

The 1841 census has this family at Belgrave Gate, St Margarets:
Joseph Baxter age 50 wire worker
Jane Baxter age 50
John age 20 wood turner
Edward age 15 polisher
Thomas age 10 polisher
Agnes age 7 (I think it says she's a grocer but I suspect this is incorrect! lol)
All born in county.

I think they are at 127 Belgrave Gate in 1851 and that gives a bit more info about Joseph and Jane:
(mistranscribed on Ancestry as Baxton)
Joseph Baxter age 60, head, wire worker, born Cossington, Leicestershire
Jane Baxter age 62, wife, born Rothley, Leicestershire
Ann Baxter, age 18, daughter, unmarried, dressmaker, b St Margarets
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Annie65115 on Sunday 22 May 16 16:39 BST (UK)
However, be aware that there was also a Thomas Baxter baptised in ST Margarets on 25 June 1828, parents William and Sarah --

you need some sort of documentation with his father's name on. Do you have a marriage cert?
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Annie65115 on Sunday 22 May 16 17:38 BST (UK)
Do you know when your Thomas joined the army? I can see that he was in the army in the 1851 census.

There is a newspaper report from March 1843 in which his brother Edward was sentenced to transportation for life; John and Thomas were both called as witnesses at Edward's trial so that places him still in Leic at that time. A Thomas Baxter, labourer of Leic was indicted in 1845 for going out with dogs to catch game - don't know if this is the same Thomas or not.

Then in June 1850 "A young man named Thomas Baxter, a native of Leicester" was arrested in Loughborough - headline "Apprehension of a deserter" (from the Royal Foot Artillery).

ADDED: I've got his army discharge papers! (on FindMyPast). Nothing about his family background but it does say that his trade is wire worker --- like his presumed father Joseph ---
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: trewinb on Monday 23 May 16 07:09 BST (UK)
Thank you all, for such a quick response. Unfortunately all I have at the moment are his obituary from the Hamilton Evening Times, and some military citation notes for his action in the Fenian Raids campaign of 1866. His son was named Joseph E. Baxter. The obituary reads as follows:  Thursday May 14 19?? 'A Veteran Gone Sergt. Thomas Baxter's long illness ended today.
Hamilton has lost another old resident in the person of Segt. Thomas Baxter, who passed away last night after a long illness at his son's home, No 120 Emerald St. North. The deceased gentleman was born in Leicestershire, England in January 1825. He served in the artillery, being a sergeant in the 4th Brigade, Royal Artillery and being seven years in South Africa seeing active service in the Kaffir War. After coming to Canada he settled in Montreal, subsequently removing to St. Catherines and later Hamilton. He was on duty at the time of the Fenian Raids and was stationed in Cornwall.
He wore as evidence of service for his country, the South African Kaffir war medals and the Fenian Raid medal.
He leaves a wife and three children, two daughters and a son'

Perhaps his military records in the UK can lead us to the right Thomas.
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Annie65115 on Monday 23 May 16 09:21 BST (UK)
I can't see any military records from the UK and as far as I know it's not usual to find them from this era.

His discharge papers give a lot of info regarding his service, backed by his obituary; here are some points:

Montreal 20 Oct 1868; no 257 Sergeant Thomas Baxter of 4 Brigade R (?). artillery regiment
Attested 20 June 1845 age 19 yrs 6 months; deserted 21 June 1848; rejoined 21 June 1850.
Born St Margaret, Leicester; trade wireworker.
Total service 21 years, including 7 years, 2 months Cape of Good Hope, and 7 years 3 months Canada. Discharged at his own request.
Conduct v good, although court martialled 3 times in total.
Worked his way up the ranks, eventually promoted to Sgt on 2 Sept 1864.
Physical description at time of discharge: Height 5' 8+1/2 inches (pretty tall for his generation!); fair complexion, grey eyes, brown hair
Intended place of residence Toronto.

So we have an echo of his putative father's trade (wireworker) and a dob of the end of 1825/beginning of 1826 (which ties with the baptism date).

Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: trewinb on Monday 23 May 16 09:30 BST (UK)
Thanks Annie,
You definitely have given me more information that correlates well with what I have. I have just found his census record for 1901 which gives an exact birth date of 28 January 1826, which ties in well with a christening in February 1826. That further reinforces the link to Joseph and Jane Baxter.

Interesting to see a courtmartial on three occasions!

Do we have any more on Joseph and Jane's marriage?
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Annie65115 on Monday 23 May 16 09:41 BST (UK)
Familysearch gives this possibility:

Joseph Baxter
Jane Barsby
31 Dec 1810
Rothley, Leicestershire

Indexing Project (Batch) Number    M09628-1
System Origin    England-ODM
GS Film number    592602

I note that Jane came from Rothley; also that their oldest son in 1841, John, is not listed in the St Margaret's baptisms so the family may well have moved into the town after his birth.
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: trewinb on Monday 23 May 16 10:09 BST (UK)
Barsby is noted as a village in the manor of Rothley. Is it possible that it is her birthplace and not her family name?
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Annie65115 on Monday 23 May 16 10:17 BST (UK)
Lots of people carry a surname which indicates the village from which their ancestors came ---
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: trewinb on Monday 23 May 16 12:05 BST (UK)
This is rather exciting. I am trying to prepare a history of my father's family for his 95th birthday in July. We had very little information on his mother's (Baxter) family.

I guess my next search would be for Joseph's parents in Cossington. It gets a little more difficult without the census as they would probably be in their 70's by 1841.
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: trewinb on Monday 23 May 16 12:10 BST (UK)
In the Gentleman's Magazine,June 10, 1845, there is an obituary for a Richard Baxter, aged 73, in Cossington, formerly of Wisbeach, Cambridgeshire. (Although he is noted as an esq., unlikely for our family at that point).

There is also an extract from the Baptist Chapel at Rothley of:
'1831
Struggling financially and still exclusions for drunkenness, 'bad company',swearing, disorderly conduct, fighting, Joseph Baxter accused of striking his wife.'
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Annie65115 on Monday 23 May 16 12:31 BST (UK)
Familysearch has NO Cossington baptisms form the 18th century - I wonder if the parish records were damaged, or perhaps there was no active church in the village?

If I were you, I'd post a new thread on the main Leic board and see if anyone has any info specific to Cossington and Rothley.
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Annie65115 on Monday 23 May 16 12:33 BST (UK)
btw, if Richard did turn out to be of interest, his will is available for download (for a small sum) from National Archives

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=cossington+%2B+baxter
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: trewinb on Monday 23 May 16 12:46 BST (UK)
Thank you, Annie, for your help and direction. I am new to the forum and a bit slow in learning correct procedures.
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Mvann on Monday 23 May 16 13:41 BST (UK)
Hi all

Just been reading through this thread. I have baxters in my family tree. I have just looked at the john Baxter I have, born about 1820. He was married to Sarah Shipley. On the 1881 census he is listed as wire worker. I'll have to do some more research this afternoon
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: trewinb on Monday 23 May 16 17:13 BST (UK)
The Gazette for 1846 also places Joseph as a wireworker at 127 Belgrave Gate and two Thomas's in other trades, probably not mine as he was already enlisted in the army. I also see six Barsby's in trade on the same page as the Baxters. There are only two John Baxters, Mvann, a baker and a butcher.

https://books.google.fr/books?id=c2MRAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA124&dq=Barsby+Baxter&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6gKrCyPDMAhVKOBQKHb69BnQQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=Barsby%20Baxter&f=false
Title: Re: Birth and death dates of Charles Henry BAXTER
Post by: Mvann on Monday 23 May 16 18:47 BST (UK)
Hi
I have looked at the gazette before, but was looking for hartshorn family at the time.

On the 1881 census, he was living in churchgate.

My only interest in the baxters is because my 2gtgrandad, Israel coltman was married to Jane Baxter, John's daughter