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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: KathyM on Tuesday 09 November 04 09:24 GMT (UK)
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Any information on these names in Tipperary welcomed !
John Ardill married to Mary Ardill (possibly cousins) - Cashel & Emly
Their children include - John Roche, Prudence, Frances, Henry & Letitia (born 1850's & 60's)
John's parents (I think were John Ardill & Prudence Cleary) ..... Mary's father - James Ardill (definately) and I think her mother was Frances Henrietta Roche who were married at Abington on 5 Aug 1825
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I can only finde theese for Tipperary
1. Susan Ardill born 23/12/1869 at Hollycross Tip.
father William Ardill
mother Cathrine Elliot
2 . Thomas J.E.Ardill born 16/12/1871 at Hollycroos
parents the same as above
audrey
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marriage for
John Ardill age 20 years married 22/3/1855 at thurles tip. to
Mary Ardill age 20 years
grooms father John Ardill
brides father James Ardill
hope this helps
audrey
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That is wonderful Audrey......thank you so much !
John & Mary are def. mine !
It also confirms their father's names.......and gives me a place name to search ! If you come across any other Ardill's....please let me know !
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Kathy,
My great grandfather was John Roche Ardill born in Tipperary in 1861. His parents were James and Susan(nee Hodgins, I believe, but am not certain). John Roche Ardill had two brothers Thomas(emigrated to Canada) and Adam (born 1866)and one sister Elizabeth. We believe that Adam was a half brother so James was married twice.
The connection between the Ardills and Roche's - in 1800 a Letita Bourke married Nicholas Roche. They had four children Edward(emigrated to Aus), Frances Henrieta, Maria Theresa(may also have gone to Aus) and Letita(same). Frances Henrieta married James Ardill. I don't know the link between these two and my g'g grandfather James, the father of John Roche Ardill. Any info would be much appreciated.Thanks.
Bill
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Oooooooooh ! I think we might have a link here !
This is what I know - for sure !
Mary ARDILL was born in Tipperary (don't know where) c. 1830 her father was James ARDILL
Mary married John ARDILL in Thurles on 22 March 1855
They had children : Frances, Prudence, John Roche, Henry & Letitia (all born Tipperary)
I believe they came to England in the 1860's. In 1867, James ARDILL died aged 55 (in Rachel Street. Liverpool) - Mary registered his death.
By the 1871 census they were in Bolton - 4 Edge Street
Mary Ardill Head 35 Widow Houekeeper
Frances dau 15
Prudence dau 14
John R son 13
Letitia dau 8
This would make John Roche born 1857/8
In 1873 Mary re-married to a Patrick Casey, but he died soon afterwards and she reverted to the name of Ardill (probably because of her children)
Henry ARDILL was listed on one of the census' as 'idiot from childhood' and died in his 30's.
In 1881 - John Roche ARDILL died - aged 22 - cause of death 'fit' - he died in the Royal Hotel, Bolton - there was an inquest, but I have not had chance to look this up yet.
SO - if any of this fits into anything you have - let me know. I have not been able to REALLY discover who Mary's mother was.....I would like to think it was Frances Henrietta (mainly because of the children's names) ...but I don't even know if she had any siblings.....
Her husband John ARDILL...I think was possibly the son of John Ardill & Prudence Cleary (again because of the name)
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Merry Xmas all round I think.
I have been researching my family the Roches and I have the information from Nicholas Roche and other interesting information regarding the Roche Ardill-Percival-Bourke/Burke and pennefather families
Boy oh BOy its soooo great to see you people.
karl
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Welcome Karl.......wonderful to hear from you ...... I am SO excited - you can't imagine ! I am SO HAPPY....and I am sure you will just LOVE this website !
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I have received a marriage certificate from Dublin today -
22nd March 1855
John Ardill 20 Bachelor Farmer of Templederry son of John Ardill Farmer
married
Mary Ardill 20 spinster of Thurles daughter of James Ardill Farmer.
They married at the parish Church Thurles. by licence.
My mind has gone blank....where do I go next ?
Dublin cannot find their daughter Letitia born 1864 in their records...or John's death....
Do I have to go to Ireland now ? ....where should I start looking for the baptisms of their children.... I would have thought they would settle at Templederry (the groom's home ?)...but where are the children likely to be baptised...
also, can I assume now that they were Church of Ireland ?...help !
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My name is William Stephen Roche Ardill and I have just started to investigate my family history, both the Roches and the Ardills. My grandfather, Harry Roche Ardill emigrated to Canada in the early 1900’s from Ireland, as did one of his brothers, John Roche Ardill. Their father, also John Roche Ardill was a minister in the Church of Ireland (Dean of Elphin) for some 40 years.
The Ardills seem to come from Tipperary and the Roches from Wexford. I am attempting to determine when the two families came together. Any insight you may have would be appreciated.
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Hiya SArdill,
A belated Welcome to Rootschat.
Do you have any dates other than 1900 when Harry emigrated to Canada?
I think it might be worthwhile looking at Rev James Blennerhassett Leslie's series of "Clergy and Parishes" books to see if there are any Ardill and Roche clergy who may have been Church of Ireland priests at the same time. Clergy tended to marry someone of at least their own standing .. possibly a daughter of a big house... sometimes the daughter of the guy he replaced in the parish. We know one thing that is almost a certainty .. the Roche was probably the wife of an Ardill.
All the Best, Chris
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I am sorry to say - I have not got any further with this family !
I wonder if anyone can offer a suggestion to another puzzle.....
passed down through the family - and we believe coming from Ireland - we have an old suitcase - obviously of good quality and once very smart - grey with black trimming . What intrigues us is that it has black initials on the front - L.R.B.
Any ideas.....
was there ever a Leatitia Roche Bourke ? for instance
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Hi all,
I too, have a couple of Ardell Girls (possibly spelling hanged through generations or perhaps I have just gotten it wrong) in my tree.
I have a Susannah Ardell (possible daughter of William Ardell - from an IGI individual report from the website www.familysearch.org) who married Robert Ralph - in Ireland. Susannah was Christened on Sept 19, 1871 at Templemore and Killea and Killovinoge and Templeret, Tipperary, Ireland.
Robert was born about 1787, in Ireland - we think.
Robert and Susannah had 5 boys - Charles, Thomas, Robert A (my line), Wesley and William.
We believe that they came to Canada about 1819 (or 1825 as another family members work says) with Robert's brother James Robert Ralph.
James Robert Ralph (b: 1775 in Tipperary, Ireland; d:July 24, 1865 in Clarendon, Quebec, Canada) married Ellen Ardell (b:abt 1873 in Ireland); d: July 29, 1860 in Clarendon, Quebec, Canada)
He was employed in Modreeny Parish, Tipperary, Ireland. They were tenant farmers on the old Harrison estate in northern Tipperary County.
I have no other info on these brothers (there must have been more siblings as their DOB's are so far apart) or their family.
As for the Ardell girls - I don't know if it a coincidence that they had they same surname, perhaps they were cousins, sisters -??? However, The mention of Susan Ardill above, D/O William makes me think that perhaps I might have found a long sought after link??
Tara McFadyen
Alberta, Canada
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I'm not sure where this might be connected but there is a Quebec, Canada record of a marriage between Letitia Ardill and Jean Baptiste Truchon in November 1854 in what was then Napierville, now named St Remi, located in the farming country south of Montreal.
I'm tracing the Ardiel (Ardill/Ardell) family on behalf of a friend. They appear to have originated in Tipperary, moved to Quebec and from there to Middlesex County, Ontario.
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I also am interested in the Ardill name from Tipperary, mostly from the viewpoint of Protestants in N. Tipperary. I'm trying to make some sense of the families, and would welcome any input on a number of them that I have. Some that I have are:
James Ardill married to Susan Hodgins, 7 children identified to date (between 1864 and 1878), in Tipperary
Leonard Ardill and Rebecca Cary (early settlers in Canada), 3 children identified so far (all born circa 1799-1805)and descendancy for each
George Ardill and Elizabeth St. Leger m 1817, and moved back and forth between Borrisokane, Co. Tipp and Ferbane, Co. Offaly, 10 children identified to date, with some descendancy
John Ardill and Prudence Cleary, 4 children identified to date (mid 1820s) with some descendancy
Some of the lines I can take to well into the 20th century, and I would welcome additional information on all occurrences of the name.
Cindy Wood
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Will send you a PM outlining what I have. You can then see if its of interest to you and we can work out a way of getting it to you. I'd certainly be interested in any Irish references, both prior to 1800 and after.
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I hope someone here can help me. I'm trying to find out more about my ancestor Eliza/Elizabeth Ardell/Ardill who married Thomas Griffin (farmer) in North Tipperary, possibly in Terryglass or Borrisokane, shortly before 1827. Thomas Griffin was born in about 1798 in North Tipperary but I don't have a date or place of birth for Elizabeth.
Thomas and Elizabeth began their married life in Terryglass but later lived in Feighmore and Feighbeg, Borrisokane.
Some Ardills/Ardells who were sponsors at Eliza and Thomas's children's Borrisokane baptisms (1827-1832) were George, Marianne and John - I'm guessing these were close relatives of Elizabeth's.