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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Caomhanach on Thursday 12 October 06 14:21 BST (UK)
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Is there anybody who visits this cemetery regularly and uses a digital camera who might be able to photoraph a grave for me (as I live on Merseyside) and send me a digital image via email?
The grave in question is as follows:
SABINA MUTTON Daughter of George William Mutton and Mary Ann Mutton
Ward 13 A (CD) 2567
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. :)
Mark.
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Mark - I have just joined RootsChat and have just seen your posting. I can probably do this for you in the next few days if you are still wanting a photo.
Alan.
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Alan.
That would be great as I have had no responses to date.
Thank you for your help. It is much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Mark.
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Mark - I have been to Mere Knolls Cemetery this morning. I was unable to find the grave as there are not too many headstones in that Ward and I could not find any grave numbers so I had to seek help from the gentleman in the Cemetery office. He was excellent and took me to the grave but there is no headstone to photograph. He identified the plot by reference to the Cemetery burial plans and then by reference to the graves in the adjacent row. There is a stone on the adjacent grave, which has the grave identification number No 2568 on it and if you wish I can take a photo of graves 2567 and 2568 for identification purposes.
Alan.
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Alan,
Firstly, thank you very much for your troubles and the time taken to help me.
I was really disappointed to learn that there is no stone but at least I know now. I would like to have a photograph of the grave itself with the adjacent graves for my records but only if you are going again anyway and it is not too much trouble.
Sabina was my grandmother's sister and George and Mary Ann were my GG Granparents. My grandmother was born in Roker Avenue. George moved to Merseyside to work at the shipyards here in Birkenhead (Lairds).
Thanks again for your help. It was very kind of you and much appreciated.
Regards, Mark. markjamesthomas AT aol.com
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I have taken a photo of grave No 2568 in Ward 13A which will help to identify the adjacent plot to the right, No 2567. The stones of the graves in the row behind also help to identify 2567.
Alan.
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Alan,
I have e-mailed you this morning. You are a credit to Roots Chat. ;)
Regards,
Mark.
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Hi,
im planning on visiting Mere Knolls cemetry to do some research but im not exactly sure where it is. the website says Fulwell but my sister says it is nearer to Seaburn. Is there a bus from Sunderland bus station that would drop me near to the cemetry?
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards Susan
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Susan - Mere Knolls Cemetery has two main entrances - one in Torver Crescent, Seaburn Dene (quite close to Monkwearmouth School) and one at the bottom of Dykelands Road, Seaburn more-or- less opposite to the TA Centre. You need a Stagecoach bus to Seaburn Dene - I think Service Numbers 23 and 24 or to Dykelands Road - one of the buses from Sunderland to South Shields - the E6 goes this way and there are other services going this way as well.
Alternatively you can use the Metro to Seaburn Station from where each of the two entrances are about 15 minutes walk.
Hope that this helps.
Wearsioder.
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Wearsider,
Thank you so much. i have wrote all your information down & i will take it with me.
Regards Susan :)
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Susan - I apologise that some information was missing from my previous post - buses 23 amd 24 go to Seaburn Dene.
Wearsider.
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Hi Alan,
Thank you so much for all the information. I am going to phone the civic centre on Mon to see if they know if there is a headstone. I have the grave number. Do you think they will know?
Regards Susan
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Susan - they should know from their records. Give them as much informattion as you can - names, dates etc and see how they respond.
Do you know the Ward number by any chance?
Wearsider.
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Hi Alan,
This is what i have:
Robert Reay d. August 1884 age 81, Mary Reay d. 10/5/1871 age 64. Grave no. 1193.
Im doing this for a friend who lives further down the country. Im in Houghton.
Thanks again. Susan
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Susan - Mere Knolls Cemetery was set up by the Monkwearmouth Burial Board and there were only grave numbers allocated so it is not clear which ward the grave is in unless you access the Burial Records in Sunderland Local Studies.
It was in later years when the cemetery was under the control of Sunderland Borough Council that Ward Numbers came into use.
There has been work done on the transcription of headstones and this may well have produced some guidelines as to grave numbers and wards but I don't have any information like that. It may be worth your while enquiring at the LDS Library in Sunderland to see if they have any information that will help.
Wearsider.
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Is Wearsider Alan still around as I have a relative buried in Mere Knolls cemetary but have no way to get there as I am in Los Angeles. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Pete
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Hi Pete - yes I am still around.
I have not been able to visit Mere Knolls cemetery for some months now due to my wife being unwell, however I hope to go there in the next few weeks if at all possible.
If you are able to obtain the Ward and Grave number from either the Sunderland Local Studies Library or possibly even from the Cemeteries Department then let me know this and I will see what I can do. The Cemeteries Department usually refer enquiries to the Local Studies Library who have microfilm records of the Burial registers.
Wearsider.
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Hi Alan
Glad to hear that you're still with us and hope that your wife is better soon.
Thanks for the info. Is it possible to obtain the ward and grave numbers online?
Cheers
Pete
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Thanks for the info. Is it possible to obtain the ward and grave numbers online?
Not sure it would give you the Ward number, but this page may be helpful
http://www.durham-images.org/public/cemeteries/parrec.html
Scroll down to Mere Knolls, follow the 'records' link and then choose the first two letters of the surname from the grid.
-oops , I looked at the lists.
It appears to give the register number rather than a grave number, but try emailing the local studies library to see if they can give you the ward/grave details from the register entry number and date?
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=5572 There is an email address on that page.
Boo
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Thanks Tickettyboo.
The Durham images website is where I originally found where my relative was buried and I have contacted the Sunderland local studies centre in order to find out the grave number but unfortunately the copy of the burial record that they sent to me did not contain any grave number information. It has an entry number and a "No of grant" number but no grave number unless I am looking in the wrong place.
Pete
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Mere Knolls Cemetery was set up by the Monkwearmouth and Southwick Burial Board who did not use 'Ward Numbers' as we now know them. They used only 'burial numbers'. When the running of the cemetery was taken over by Sunderland Corporation Ward Numbers were introduced.
Therefore the early registers probably won't include Ward Numbers.
Wearsider.
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Mere Knolls Cemetery was set up by the Monkwearmouth and Southwick Burial Board
It seems that Monkwearmouth Cemetery, Mere Knolls, which was opened in 1856, was set up by the Monkwearmouth Burial Board, a report in the Sunderland Echo Thursday 03 March 1881 states that
Southwick Local Board.
Propsed Cemetery for Southwick
"......That application be made to the Monkwearmouth Burial Board for information as to the terms on which that Board would consent to Southwick township being added to their district for burial puposes......"
Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette - Thursday 03 March 1881
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Thanks Stan for the correction, my file on Mere Knolls Cemetery is not to hand at the moment and my memory let me down.
Wearsider.
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Alan,
I was able to contact the Sunderland local studies centre and they were kind enough to let me know the grave number.
So the info that I have from the burial record is :-
Caroline Dennis, age 54, buried on 18th June, 1877
Grave number - 1529
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I believe that the Sunderland Local Studies Library have given you all the information that they have. Without the Ward Number the problem is where to look for the grave.
Reference to a burial plan would help but I have not found any reference to plans being available.
Wearsider.
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Are you saying that going to the cemetary and giving the grave number would not produce the location of the grave? Would not the cemetary staff be able to locate the grave with just the number?
This is all the info that was written in the records. There are no ward numbers.
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There are not normally cemetery staff at Mere Knolls who you can make enquiries to. Some years ago there used to be someone there on occasions and I was once able to see a burial plan for Ward 13 but I got the impression that there were no plans for the earlier wards as ward numbers were only introduced when the cemetery was taken over by Sunderland Corporation.
An enquiry to the Cemeteries Department may still be worth while in case they do have other information available.
Wearsider.
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Reading through this thread, I'm not sure if this link will help anyone in the future but it might, but is it the ward plans for Mere Knolls Cemetery.
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=2179
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This is the Ward Plan for Mere Knolls Cemetery http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=2179. The original cemetery, where he would be buried, is the part at the bottom where the Mortuary Chapels are, as can be seen on the map at http://maps.nls.uk/view/101099513#zoom=5&lat=2491&lon=7118&layers=BT An further 14 acres were purchased for the western extension to the original in 1886, which was opened in 1889.
Stan
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Mark - I have just joined RootsChat and have just seen your posting. I can probably do this for you in the next few days if you are still wanting a photo.
Alan.
Hi Alan,
I was wondering where your Stobbs and Watson's are from?
Kindest Regards
susan
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Hi Susan - my Watsons and Stobbs are from the Weardale area of Co Durham.
Alan.
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Hi Susan - my Watsons and Stobbs are from the Weardale area of Co Durham.
Alan.
Ah right. I knew a Stobbs family in Easington Colliery and my husband is a Watson but from Houghton, his ancestors are from Sunderand
Susan