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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: paddy_k1w1 on Friday 13 October 06 03:05 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help me locate any information on the following please:?
Elizabeth EMERSON
born abt 1867, Enniskillen
Her parents were:
John & Mary Anne (nee BLAIR) EMERSON
born abt 1820 - 1830's
married abt 1840's
Her sister was:
Mary Jane EMERSON
Her cousin was:
Elizabeth BLAIR
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Paddy P.
(New Zealand)
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John EMMERSON & Mary Ann BLAIR
Known children all recorded at Tempo, parish of Enniskillen and/or Cleenish.
Female: ?........... ...4th Feb 1864
Male: John .....12th Apr 1868
" Robert..... 8th Sep 1870
Female Margaret...9th Jul 1872
Male Thomas 22nd Jun 1874
Source: Vital records Index British Isles
Griffiths Valuation Index (1847-1864)
Blair surname listed in Cleenish parish but not in Tempo and Em(m)erson listed in Enniskillen also not in Tempo
The only John Emerson listed in Fermanagh is at two locations
Parish: Aghalurcher Location: Carrickpolin
Parish: Magheracross Location: Coa
This may be John senior or another relative, and the john married to Mary Ann Blair may only have occupied property at Tempo after the Valuation, but there are many scenarios!.
Hope it helps.
Mike.
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thanks so much for your help Mike :)
We have always spelt the name EMERSON with one M.
I see that Elizabeth & Mary Jane are not on this list, .... any ideas as to why this would be.
They both immigrated to NZ in 1885, Elizabeth was approx 18 years old, hence the year of birth 1867.
thanks for you help.
regards,
Paddy
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There are numerous reasons why the two ladies do not appear in eith the online search or in the CDrom version, it may simply be they were not transcribed, but more than likely the section, page or entire book is missing, damaged etc.
Sadly many records have been lost due to fading ink, water damage, rising damp, rodent attack and worst of all humad vandalism where an entire page has been removed because one entry for someones ancestor was on the page.
I know this from first hand experience, when I sat browsing parish record books in Limerick, the PP sat with me and when I suggested he need not stay I got the reason why he had to remain with me, he then went on to show me where pages had been removed, also other damage.
When we search an undamaged book for an ancestor we knew had been born 1840 and was not able to find a record we were also informed that "unfortunately PP's did not always attend to the records and would forget to include them, so there is another reason that records cannot be found.
The firs unamed female on the list may have been one of the children you are missing, birth dates recorded elsewhere in the world cannot be substantiated anyway.
Mike.
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Mike, i really do appreciate the trouble you have gone to, to get this info for me. This is the first time i have used this site and i'm thrilled with the response.
I'm not sure where to go from here, but the info you have given me is wonderful.
I'd like to find John Emerson's parents names & maybe Mary Anne Blair's parents names too.
Elizabeth Emerson was my great grandmother. My grandfather, father & nephew, all have the name Emerson as their middle name, which is why i have an interest to find out more of this family.
I plan to look at some microfiche files when i'm next up in Christchurch (NZ), but that may not be for a month or two yet.
have a nice day
Paddy
(NZ)
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Hi Paddy.
I will send you a PM soon.
Mike.
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Paddy.
Did you get all the Emerson Marriages/Births and other
I sent to your PM.
Mike.
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Hi there Mike,
I got the marriage date you sent for John & Mary Anne Emerson, and the birthdates for John, Robert, Margaret & Thomas? Are these the one's you mean?
Still looking to find the birthdate of Elizabeth and confirm when Mary-Jane was born.
Also birthdates and death dates of any of them. Do you have easy access to this sort of info??
really appreciate all your help.
kind regards
Paddy
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Yes! they are the ref's I sent you including the marriage date
and the father of each.
That is all I could find for Emerson.
Mike.
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thanks for that Mike.
Is there any other avenue i can check to find out Elizabeth EMERSON's birthdate?
Seems a shame to find all the other's but not her's.
Have a nice day
regards
Paddy
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Hello Paddy.
You can consider the Fermanagh Heritage Centre for a paid research, but they can be pretty costly.
My suggestion is send a letter to the Emerson addresses that I sent you, you can almost place a bet that they are related and may well have their genealogy done.
I have provided current addresses to people researching their irish roots, where a surname from the 1800's still shows today and with moderate success, although on a couple of occasions the writer has been requested not to continue making contact, why is a mystery, but I have heard that some in Ireland are concerned about inheritance claims!!
I reckon a letter is your best line of research from here.
Mike.
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I can't help you with your search but I'm wondering if we may have a distant connection with the Blair name.
Letitia Coulter, parents George Coulter & Deborah Blair
Letitia born abt 1846 in Enniskillen, Fer, Ireland married
Alexander Glover, my husbands ggrandparents
I have not been able to confirm all this info as yet. It is so frustrating. Do you have much about the Blair family?
regards pegdoll. ps I live in Ch.Ch. NZ
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Hi there,
Interestingly, I have a Letitia Anne Blair on our family tree, born 1866, but no Letitia Coulter & no Deborah Blair.
Will keep an eye out for you though if I come across those names.
I live in Timaru :-) Heading to ChCh tomorrow for the weekend.
regards Paddy
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for pegdoll,GEORGE COULTER MARRIED MARY ANNE BLAIR. 2-1-1849. @ derrylin cofi. parish kinawley, civil district lisnaskea, co. fermanagh, ire. sorry could'nt find anything for a deborah.
regards mary.
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Thankyou for your reply. I'll keep searching.pegdoll
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I contacted you a couple of years ago re George and Deborah COULTER (Ingleburn). My husband descends from John Arthur Coulter who I believe is Letitia's brother. Unfortunately, I lost contact for various reasons, but would be very pleased to correspond once again about the mysterious Coulter's.
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Hi there JenBob,
I'm afraid I can't help you any further at this stage re: the Coulter connection, but will definitely let you know if I come across any thing of interest.
Regards,
Paddy
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I'm interested in any information about your Mary Anne BLAIR. Did you ever get the full details for her marriage?
My ancestor Margaret BLAIR was married in Tempo Church in 1862. Her father's name was John. The name EMERSON pops up as a middle name in her descendants so there's a good chance I also have that name in my direct line somewhere.
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I'm interested in any information about your Mary Anne BLAIR. Did you ever get the full details for her marriage?
My ancestor Margaret BLAIR was married in Tempo Church in 1862. Her father's name was John. The name EMERSON pops up as a middle name in her descendants so there's a good chance I also have that name in my direct line somewhere.
A John Emerson married Mary Anne Blair on 3rd June 1862 at Derrylin Church of Ireland in the Parish of Kinawley Civil District Lisnaskea County Fermanagh
OTTO
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This MaryAnne Blair & John Emerson are my gt gt grandparents. Let me know if there is any further info you require for this line and I will see if I can help you.
Paddy [NZ]
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Thanks,
I think Kinawley's probably a bit far from my area for her to have been Margaret's sister. My Blair line seems to have been around the Clogher/Enniskillen border.
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My gt gt grandfather is buried in the Tempo Cemetery, Enniskillen
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Greetings Paddy
I also have EMERSONs from Tempo, FER on my family tree.
Eliza EMERSON b. abt 1844 in Tempo was my Great Grandmother. She died in 1884 in Ayr St, Auckland, NZ. She had emigrated first to Australia marrying my Great Grandfather William Henry LEONARD in Sydney 9 June 1868. The couple moved to NZ the same year.
Eliza's parents were Francis EMERSON and Susan CURRY. I have no further information on them.
I have 2 siblings recorded for Eliza.
William EMERSON b. abt 1836 at Enniskillen, FER. He married Eliza COULTER in 1864 in Sydney, AUS. I have details of 7 children some of whom ended up in Randwick Asylum because of the insolvency of the parents.
Susan EMERSON was born abt. 1841 in Enniskillen, FER. She married Christopher EGAN in Sydney 17 Sept. 1869. I have details of 4 kids. They also ended up on hard times.
I'm not sure if we can make any links out of all of this.
Regards
Keith
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Hi Keith,
thanks for your post. At this stage, I'm unable to make any links with your Emerson family. But it's probably there is a link somewhere.
Here is what I have for dates around that time:
Thomas EMERSON
| Thomas EMERSON (1822 - 17 Dec 1893) & Mary ROBINSON
| | John EMERSON
| | Thomas Mosgrove EMERSON & Eleanor
| John EMERSON (1824 - 22 Mar 1917) & Mary Anne BLAIR (22 May 1836 - )
| | Mary-Jane EMERSON (4 Jan 1864 - 17 Aug 1920) & Edward CARTWRIGHT* (1852 - 11 Sep 1937)
| | Elizabeth EMERSON (26 Jan 1866 - 25 Jan 1938) & William Millar PATRICK (6 Feb 1864 - 30 May 1949)
| | John EMERSON (12 Apr 1868 - ) & Ethel HURLEY
| | Robert EMERSON (8 Sep 1870 - 1930) & Rebecca McKENZIE (24 Dec 1882 - Dec 1940)
| | Margaret Ann [Annie] EMERSON (9 Jul 1872 - 25 Apr 1935) & John GRAHAM (29 Jul 1860 - 8 Jun 1942)
| | Thomas EMERSON (22 Jun 1874 - ) & Annie AGNEW
| | William Irwin EMERSON (17 Oct 1877 - ) & Mary Anne WALMSLEY
| Robert EMERSON (AFN:P159-8W) (About 1837 - ) & Mary Ann IRVINE (7 Oct 1841 - After 1920)
I hope this may be of some help. If any of these names appear in any of your findings in the future, please let me know.
kind regards
Paddy
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Coulter's and Graham of Tempo.
I have extensive details on the Coulters arriving in Australia through Edward around 1858 on the Escort. Edward was married to Jane Graham, certainly within Enniskillen, but most likely from the village of Breandrum. Jane also had a nephew "William Graham" in Australia as well and I suspect that an entire family of Grahams came out to Aus.
The parents of Jane are, I think Isabella and William Graham.
Go and google trove, all BDM details and more are there
Regards
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Hello Keith,
I see you are descended from Eliza Emerson, daughter of Francis Emerson and Susan (Susannah?) Curry. I am descended from her brother William. My grandmother remembered her grandfather William had a sister Helen who lived in NSW.
William married Eliza Coulter in Sydney 1864 and they had 7 children. Three of the girls aged 7, 9, and 10 were placed in Randwick Children’s Asylum in 1880, not because the parents were insolvent, but because Eliza died in June 1880. A man would not be able to care for so many young children while working the long hours men worked in those days.. He paid 7/6 a week to their keep, which was probably a fair part of a man’s wage at that time. The eldest son Frank, from whom I descend, found work with a place to sleep in a loft and cared for himself from the age of 15, while the younger brothers stayed with their father. I don’t know what became of the youngest girl Sarah Ann who was only 4 when Eliza died. She may have gone to her aunt Helen
William lived with Frank and his wife in his old age, and the brothers and sisters stayed in contact into old age. My grandmother said William was a lay preacher in the Methodist Church and very strictly against drinking, gambling, and dancing!
I don’t have the records of Francis Emerson and Susannah Curry, but Williams’s marriage certificate shows their names, and also that William was a storekeeper from Patterson NSW and his father Francis a farmer in 1864. Eliza Coulter, born in Enniskillen Co.Fermanagh, arrived 3/3/1859 in Sydney alone at the age of 21. Records show her parents David and Jane were dead but she had a cousin in the colony in Kent Street Sydney.
Hope some of this may be helpful.
Regards
Kathryn
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Hi Kathryn,
I really appreciated the information about William Emerson. I am descended from his daughter Margaret, and the information you provided backs up what we know of her difficult childhood. She went into service at an early age. Later she married Walter Patrick and had 5 children.
I would love to have further information about your Emerson family connection.
Thanks!
Lois
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Hi Kathryn,
I really appreciated the information about William Emerson. I am descended from his daughter Margaret, and the information you provided backs up what we know of her difficult childhood. She went into service at an early age. Later she married Walter Patrick and had 5 children.
I would love to have further information about your Emerson family connection.
Thanks!
Lois
Hi Lois,
Glad this was of some help to you. My grandmother spoke of her "Aunty Mag Patrick" when I was a child. I have an old snapshot taken at the Sydney Easter Show which was of my great grandmother
(wife of Francis Emerson) with one of her sisters-in-law, either "Aunt Susie" or Aunty Mag Patrick" - I will check it and see if I have a note of the name.
My grandmother remembered them both very fondly. Someone else on this forum had the incorrect impression that the parents, William and Eliza, were uncaring and that their children were placed in a home because their parents were insolvent.
This was not the case. The children's mother died when they were very young, and the father, William, could not care for them and work also. People forget how much harder life was in those days. Washing by hand, clothes home-sewn and mended by hand, no convenience foods and a man's working hours from daylight to dark. How could a man do hard long hours of work and care properly for a young family in those times? A single working mother today has child-care, after school care, eight hour working days, washing machines and dryers, etc., and they find it difficult!
The fact that the children and their father remained in contact as adults and cared for each other into old age, despite the family being torn apart when their mother died, is an indication of the warmth and love they shared.
My grandmother was raised as the eldest of Francis Emerson's children, though in fact she was born to a single mother who later married Frank. There were seven younger children, and Frank and his wife also raised a grand-daughter as their own. Francis Emerson was a very good and hard-working father who made no distinction between his adopted daughter and his own children. He died before I was born, but I remember his children well. They were my great aunts and uncles, but because I was raised by my grandmother I was as close to them as if they were aunts and uncles. They were all kind and loving people with a love of the bush and great sense of humour.
If you are interested, I would be happy to send an invitation to my family tree on Ancestry - "Richardson Family Tree' - which has stories of each of them and photographs.
Regards
Kathryn
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I would love to see the Richardson family tree, and see the information it contains. We have a few family photos of the Emerson family, and that confirms that the family remained close despite being split up. It is a sad story, but from what we know of Margaret she was a kind and gentle person so her difficult beginning did not change her nature.
I am interested to know more about the Emerson family, and this was a great place to start!
Thanks for your reply!
Regards,
Lois
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Hi Lois,
I have sent an invitation to our tree on Ancestry. I sent it to your user name LoisW on Ancestry. Please let me know if you cannot access it.
Kath
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Hi Kathryn,
Is there a family connection to Epping NSW? The family story is that Margaret had a connection to some property there and I wonder if that was through Francis, or any other member of the Emerson family.
I don't think I have all the members of the family, as I only found 5 children of William and Eliza. Where did the family live, before Eliza's death and then William with the remaining family?
I am not a member of Ancestry just yet, but hope to get to that family tree!
Thanks again.
Lois
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Greetings Paddy
I also have EMERSONs from Tempo, FER on my family tree.
Eliza EMERSON b. abt 1844 in Tempo was my Great Grandmother. She died in 1884 in Ayr St, Auckland, NZ. She had emigrated first to Australia marrying my Great Grandfather William Henry LEONARD in Sydney 9 June 1868. The couple moved to NZ the same year.
Eliza's parents were Francis EMERSON and Susan CURRY. I have no further information on them.
I have 2 siblings recorded for Eliza.
William EMERSON b. abt 1836 at Enniskillen, FER. He married Eliza COULTER in 1864 in Sydney, AUS. I have details of 7 children some of whom ended up in Randwick Asylum because of the insolvency of the parents.
Susan EMERSON was born abt. 1841 in Enniskillen, FER. She married Christopher EGAN in Sydney 17 Sept. 1869. I have details of 4 kids. They also ended up on hard times.
I'm not sure if we can make any links out of all of this.
Regards
Keith
Hi Keith,
I have contacted another Emerson connection who is descended from Francis and Susannah. She has a connection to William, as do I. Have you had any further luck tracing Francis and Susannah? I am only just starting work on the Emerson family, and it is great that there are some good connections already.
I am interested in the NZ connection!
Regards,
Lois
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Hi Lois,
I'm not sure where my Grandma's Aunt Margaret Patrick lived, but it was somewhere in Sydney area because the families appear to have kept in fairly frequent contact.
Francis and his wife Henrietta owned an orchard at Epping in Boundary Road where they grew peaches, and kept chooks and a cow. This is where my grandmother and her brothers and sisters grew up.
I wish I could tell you more about "Aunty Mag Patrick". She was known by this name because Henrietta also had a sister called Margaret who was "Aunty Mag Catt".
If you wish to send an email address I could send some photos and stories of the family.
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Hi Kathryn,
Margaret Emerson lived in Gipps Street, Paddington and, after her marriage to Walter Patrick, they lived in Percival Road, Stanmore. They had 5 children, but one had died by 1908 (have no details). Walter Patrick was a hairdresser and his shop still is a hairdressing salon adjacent the Stanmore train station.
The family left Sydney for Adelaide in 1918.
Regards,
Lois